WHAT IT'S LIKE TO OWN AND DAILY DRIVE A HONDA S2000: WORST CAR I'VE EVER OWNED
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- This week I'm going to talk about the worst car I've ever owned, the Honda S2000. This car is deceptively slow and is not that great in the corners. I know that the S2K has a loyal group of fans and follower, so get your torches and pitch forks ready, because I'll tell you why this car is not only disappointing, but also dangerous.
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I have been a wrench head for years. I started off with building a 69 Camaro, then moved on to Miatas, followed by my first turbo car a 97 Eclipse GSX. After than I moved on to a Honda S2000, then my first MKIV Supra, then a 2010 Camaro, FD RX-7, R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R and my second Supra. I am now the owner of a 2013 Nissan GT-R Black Edition. I love JDM cars and would like to share that enthusiasm with all of you. I will be do car reviews, how to videos and opinions based on personal experience with those legendary JDM tuner cars. I tend to do almost all of the work on the car my self. This comes from a budgetary need as well as a lack of trust of mechanics in general. Working on cars are not has hard as people think, and I hope to show you that you can do it as well, regardless of your experience.
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#HONDA #S2000 #S2K - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Sometimes you come across a review that's so off base, you have to wonder if this person has actually used the product. Let's go to the "cons" one-by-one. 1: "It's slow". There is no context to generic terms like "slow". "Slow" compared to what? Is a P-51 "slow" because it is outperformed by an F-16? I expect car guys to be a bit more sophisticated than "slow"/"fast" type of descriptions. 2: "Nothing you can do to make it faster(sic)" (in reference to the F20C engine)- Well, ummmm, it's because the Honda engineers totally maximized the potential of a 2 liter naturally aspired engine. Give credit where it's due. There's a reason why this car held the record for the most HP/liter for years. 3: "Not a great handling car"......Laughter has placed IPA all over my monitor. I'll leave it at that. Cool story about the Miatas tho :) 4: "Dangerous in how well it does not handle"-- Again, the car is capable only to the extent of the driver is. Still cleaning beer off my screen. 5: "Electronic steering"-This perhaps may be a legitimate gripe, but you went into a weird tangent about being "slower than the driver", and the "you had no counter steer". As an AP1 owner, I have to say, I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. I counter steer on the regular, and as long as you don't lift off the throttle, the S2K obeys. You do seem genuine, however, so thanks for an interesting video.
Wait I thought the 13B had the most horse power per liter. 1.3 liter at 320 hp.
@@JDArcher Delete your comment please
@@user-zv5ve7zm1w may I ask why
@@JDArcher He mentioned about naturally aspirated engine. (No turbo or supercharger)
13b comes with a turbo and doesn't even make 320 hp
@@user-zv5ve7zm1w the NA 13B in the rx8 makes about 220 hp at 1.3 liters...ah I see the typo above
You are so wrong! S2kING for ever!
The feeling you get driving this car is incomparable !
I think you mean the feeling you get is incomparable, the feeling I get is lack luster. But that's fine. That's why there's all sorts of cars out there. Some appeal to some people and others to other people. After having one for about 2 years, i just wasn't impressed and moved on
I totally understand where this guy is coming from but let’s just be clear here the Honda S 2000 was never made to be daily driven. The Honda engineers design this car for track purposes and track only reasons. No obviously over the years Mani have used his car as a daily driver because they forget how practical it is or how it’s only a two seater and enjoy the car for what it’s worth. It’s a VTEC Screamin convertible which is one of a kind. I would daily drive it too🤷🏻♂️. Just pure gold by Honda.
its not supposed to be 'fast' or 'grippy' either but this guy is knocking it for reasons that the car wasn't made for, it's not as fast as a modded tuner and it's not grippy cause we like to break the tail loose while going chill speeds, it's a FUN car not a FAST car, and still man it is fast, it is a tuned machine, it is perfectly done. the irony is he does this vid standing next to a nissan gtr which is the same thing as s2k in the sense that it's a precision tuned car perfectly done off the factory line and there's a hundred cars out there that will go faster than it and can accept more tuning wut
Its a great feeling car to drive but that is about it. I haven't had much problem with the eas being slow or stoping correction but when I just started to bring the car to the autocross it was definitely a handfull to drive fast because other than the small powerband you need to be on the ball 24/7 since you need to correct way faster than a longer wheel base car. Its definitely really slow off the line, and visibility with the top up is horrible but when you take a night drive with the top off its probably the most relaxing thing to after finals or work.
Very astute observations. Thank you. Top down PCH cruise is also another bonus
I’ve never heard something so wrong that makes me think that it’s a prank video.
You got all the S2000 fans fuming lmao, that’s funny
Yup. I knew it would happen, but I honestly don't like the car. It's a good looking car, just not a good driving car
I’ve owned my 2004 Silverstone (with factory hardtop) since July, 2012. Purchased from one owner.
Greatest car I’ve ever owned! With prices starting to skyrocket, I’m leaving mine in the garage under a cover. That’s what most of us are doing. You don’t really see them anymore because they’re now sleeping in garages nationwide.
That's just sad. They are a fun little converable that deserves to be driven in the sun
Cha-Ching!!!
That’s a fucking waste. I drive mine all year round and I put so many miles on that sum bitch.
lol the form cylinder walls have been known to hold 500-700whp on 30 psi it's the most boostable 4cyl ever made
Humm, that's new. When I had mine those weak walls were creating all sorts of issues when boosting. That why the cylinders had to be sleeved to put down any serious power. Wonder what changed. I'm guessing more advanced fuel management?
And I thought the 4g63 was the most boostable 4 cylinder?
Yeah you should have driven an AP2 lol no such thing as snap oversteer. My AP2 is the second best handling car that I’ve owned. First being the C6 Z06, and I still don’t miss that Corvette one bit. It all comes down to personal preference and driving ability of course, but you should honestly revisit the platform. It might surprise you on how well it’s aged.
I'd heard the fixed the steering with the AP2, but with out driving one I didn't want to comment on that. To be honest if I was going to go back to a platform it would probably be the FD. That car can handel and it can put down the power
@@JDArcher okay well now I question if you just don’t like the S2000 period because stock for stock, the FD RX7 and S2000 are nearly identical. Only difference between them being the power band. In fact, most cars from that era were “slow”. Well, whatever, your bias is your own I suppose.
@@Shogun9300 I would severely argue about the handling capabilities of the S2K matching the FD. Here again, based on my 3 three years of owning a AP1 and about 5 years of owning the FD. The S2K is plagued with the electronic steering system. The center of mass is also an issue with the S2K. The FD has out cornered any car I've owned so far and this is because of a few reasons. (1) the FD is just way lighter than most cars. This means it can brake later going into the curves. Also this means that it can carry more speed through the corner because the tires don't have to work as hard to keep static friction. (2) It's smaller. This means that is can use up more of the road. Using the high, low high, in its simplicity the FD can straighten out the corners more, thereby also allowing it to hold more speed through the turn. (3) The FD has a double offset A-arm suspension on the rear. When the car corners the suspension load causing the a-arms to align and creating a form of all wheel steering.
As to the speed stock for stock, the FD is fairly quick by comparable standards because of it's weight to power ratio. Just like how a miata only has around 185 hp, becuase the car is so light that 185 hp is equivalent to much high HP in heavier car.
To clarify though, I don't hate the S2K, but based on the list of cars I've owned it was the worst of the batch. However to help understand my list of cars is thus:
1) 1969 Camaro
2) 1992 Miata
3) 1994 Miata
4) 1997 Eclipse GSX (AWD)
5) 2000 S2K
6) 1995 Supra TT 6-Spd
7) 2010 Camaro (most boring car I've owned)
8) 1993 Rx7
9) 1989 R32 Skyline GT-R
10) 1994 Supra TT 6-Spd
11) R35 GT-R
So based on my history the S2k had some pretty stiff competition to be compared to.
@@JDArcher This response makes me think maybe there was something wrong with your car. You talk about weight and how the FD is lighter than most cars. The FD is around 2866 lbs, the S2000, especially an AP1, was 2813 lbs. So nearly identical. The S2k and the FD also both have a 50/50 weight distribution.
That being said, i have heard from many FD owners that the FD is a relatively easy car to handle. The learning curve is a lot less steep than a lot of cars of that era and with the engineering that Mazda did to the car, allowed to to be a beast on the road and the track.
On the flip side, the S2000 is NOT an easy car to drive. It WONT save you if you mess up a corner and punishes you severely. Because of that a lot of people either become timid when pushing the car to its limit as the limit can be a LOT higher than most other cars.
As an example, i own a 2021 A91 Supra, and a 2005 AP2 S2k. Hands down the S2k is the better handling car. However i'm faster in the Supra. Not because the Supra has double the power, but because the S2k challenges me more and punishes me harder when i make a mistake. Its so much less forgiving in almost every single scenario. I also have quire an extensive car history (also had a Eclipse but it was the GST) and the S2k by far has been the most challenging car i've ever owned.
I remember a friend had picked one up, and he says “go ahead and take it for a drive” tossed me the keys .. I literally couldn’t get in it, my knees hit the dash and the wheel. Mind you i am “leggy” and 6’3 but i thought it was ridiculous i couldn’t get the seat back enough to drive it.
Guess I'm kind of lucky at 5'10" I fit into all JDM cars
I do agree some what. Wished it came with at least 300 plus hp. However i do feel it has one of the best handling systems. Have always kinda been paranoid about the snap oversteer but so far no accidents lol.
Cool, do you have an AP1 or an AP2?
You have no idea about cars
Naw. Ive only owned, driven and worked on them for 20 years
@@JDArcher Not everyone can go out and criticize 1 of the best cars released
If you compare miata and s2k in handling your wrong in every way..in japan and all over the world they still braking records if you know what you do
@@christoforossofokleous6545 I can when I've owned one, driven one, worked on one and was not impressed. As I said though I was coming from a 10 second Eclipse, then moved on to a mkiv supra, followed by a FD Rx7, r32 gtr, another supra and now a r35. So yes. It is the worst car I've ever owned. Not like I was comparing it to a civic. Trust me it's not one of the best cars out there. Every other car on my list blows its doors off, even the miata
Your gtr is 100.000k car the s is simple
bro thumbnail has me unreasonably mad and i dunno why this is what love is its not logical this is my problem to deal with this isnt ur fault why do i love this car so much i react to things like this without even contributing reason first im gonna move thru this moment responsibly and maybe grow from it but yeah just wanna append this open letter with one thing.
digital tach rpm looks like Top Gear on SNES, engine revs real far. car good
edit: okay nvm I watched the vid the TLDR is this guy dont like the s2k because it's not as fast as a modded gsx and it's not as fast as modded miatas and he's unhappy with the lack of strut bars damper kits and 96 camaro LS v8 swaps available for the car.
So for all us s2k fans who love the car bone stock just as God, Honda, and Senna intended then this vid is not for us it's criticizing ketchup based on it's colour whereas the rest of the world judges ketchup on it's taste
Ok, so I like your criticism because it goes to prove something very import. Not every car is going to be loved by every driver. That is why there are so many platforms out there. My biggest issue with the S2K was the electronic steering assist. Now once again, this goes to AP1 because that is what I had and not AP2. But the steering was so bad I once spun the car hard shifting from second to third on PIR. And when it spins, it spins like a top due to its center of mass. The lack of counter steer was a real issue and I never felt safe in it. Moving from the S2K to the MKIV Supra was an ah ha moment when I did. I forgot what it was like to drive a truly planted car at that time.
When I had the S2K this was a known issues. The only way to pix it at the time was to replace the entire steering system with one out of a FC RX7. That was what power house racing and horse power freaks were doing to make the car a better corning car. For me it was just easier to get out of the platform
If you just kept it in garage and not touched would have doubled in value tho
Or I could have bought a Degas and hung it on the wall and had the same effect
Tbh I’d keep an s2000 over a gtr that’s just me thoe
@@bige7186 that's fair. That's why there's different cars out there. Some are going to appeal to some people and others to other people. I personally think the miata is one of the best cars in the road. Some people disagree
@@JDArcher if your 70 and looking for a retirement car ... Hahahhaha
@@TheWhiteAfghan those miatas are quite the cornering car. They are king at auto-x and own canyon runs
@8:16 UGGGhhh what? We just dyno'd a turbo ap1 with almost 200k miles and it made almost 400whp w/ 15psi on e85. ALL STOCK except turbo kit obv and injectors. Not sure where you got that information from. Pulling the motor and boring it out to increase boost?(LOL WHAT!?) AP1 handles boost pretty damn well. We have tons of experience. TONS.
And the S2000 is not a great handling car? Take a look at some of our videos or better yet here's a link to our drivers channel, He breaks records with hardly 200 whp.
czcams.com/video/QrZMhHotEs4/video.html
Not fast, doesn't handle well, can't make power? You're giving bad information because you don't know how to drive.
Now I know you made this vid for the algorithm, very smart! I hope to get a reply!
The S2k can handle boost without rebuilding it what are you talking about. 🤦🏾♂️ plus my S2K ran 13.9 stock let’s see a Miata do that lol
It can handel boost stock but not more than 6 psi really. Where as the miata was built by the engineers to run 8 psi, but Mazda didn't want that. So one of the engineers started Jackson Racing to release a super charger that he wanted for the NA. But for me 1/4 doesn't mean anything when it comes to roadsters, it's the twsities that define the car. If you want a quarter miles car then look at cars with 6 cylinders or more. All a drag strip tests is acceleration, but thats only part of the equation
The cylinder wall start to have issues with the increased heat due to the increased pressure. Like I said in the video, it's not the worst car on the road, it's just the worst driving car I've have had.
In 2004 the tech really wasn't there. In 2021 you can make 700hp on a completely stock engine because of modern tuning and fueling solutions, but that wasn't an option in the early 2000s.
@@fmsdaman1 exactly why I kept says things may have changed. I remember back when I had my Eclipse and the DSM link came out compared to the MAF translator.
thinks the s2000 is slow but likes miatas...
Yes, because I've actually owned both. When it comes to the twisties, the S2K doesn't stand a chance against a NA or NB Miata. I even remember when I had the S2K I did a coastal run with a S2K club. Two Miatas showed up and the S2K owners could figure out why they could keep up with those little Mazdas in the twisty forest road.
You are the worst driver if u think that s2k its the worst car. People who do not know the limits of this car and didn't bother to live it to the extend of its abilities then they say its the worst car. So take your AWD cz you don't know how to drive.
People really need to pay attention to what I'm saying. I'm not saying the S2k is the worst car. It's just the worst car I've owned. Compare it to the list of cars I've owned and this makes sense. My list of cars in chronological order
1) 1969 Camaro
2) 1992 miata
3) 1994 miata
4) 1997 Eclipse GSX
5) 2000 S2000
6) 1995 Supra
7) 2010 Camaro (most boring car I've owned)
8) 1993 Rx7
9) 1989 skyline GT-R
10) 1994 supra
11) 2013 GTR
I dont think people know how to really listen any more.
As to your last point I think your logic is off. Take a good driver and put them in a mediocre car and they do ok. Put that same driver is a better car and they do...better. so why would you hobble yourself with an inferior car is you don't have to.
If the S2K works for you and you can set yourself at the front of the pack with it, that's great. But for me it really didn't perform Compare do other cars out there so I went on to find a better car
Congratulations you have the most unlike... bro 😀😀😀😀🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
Thank you, I try.
I know this car has a loyal base of fans and fan boys. All I did was give my honest, personal opinion of the car. I qualified all of my statements, but there are those that will hate because they are emotionally attached to the car and anything that doesn't make the car see like the best car on the road offends them and they take it personally
Ok, so as a quick point of clarification since there seems to be some confusion. I'm not saying the S2K is the worst car out there, I'm saying it's the worst car that I've owned. My list of cars is this:
1) 1969 Camaro
2) 1992 Miata
3) 1994 Miata
4) 1997 Eclipse GSX
5) 2000 Honda S2000
6) 1995 Supra
7) 2010 Camaro (most boring car)
8) 1993 RX7
9) 1989 Skyline GTR
10) 1994 Supra
11) 2013 GTR