REVIEW - Moza R3 XBOX Compatible Direct Drive Sim Racing Setup
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MOZA Racing are now console compatible! The new MOZA R3 Bundle gives you everything you need to get up and driving on your XBOX or PC with a 3.9Nm Direct Drive R3 Wheelbase, 280mm D Shape ES Xbox wheel, SR-P Lite 2 Pedal Set, and table clamp, all for US$399 (Direct form Moza).
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Intro: 0:00
Video Sponsor Message: 0:38
Important Information: 1:31
Pricing: 2:05
Compatibility Explained: 7:24
R3 Base: 11:35
Xbox Wheel: 16:55
SRP Lite Pedals: 21:22
Software Overview: 25:34
PC Driving Experience & Conclusions: 31:25
Xbox Driving Experience & Conclusions: 37:40
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It's just amazing what moza has achieved in the sim racing scene in just 2-3 years
It's because they have a "what do customers want, we'll build it" attitude, vs. a "you'll buy what we build" attitude that other companies exhibit. Plus their pricing has made them very competitive and really shaken up the market.
The whole sim racing hardware market has totally tranformed over the past 4-5 years. Logitech wheelbases used to be some of the best bang-for-your-buck wheelbases on the market. Now Logitech's G29/G923/G920 (and even Pro model) are the absolute worst value products in all of sim racing. I guess, it makes since considering the G29's base design is essentially two decades old. Thank god we finally have some competition and innovation in the sim hardware market.
@@TheBrennanSchafer saying pro are the absolute worst value is crazy x) clearly u havent owned one
@@TheBrennanSchafer There's no way the Pro are the worst. Agreed on the G series though.
And Moza as a Chinese company, it is much better than other Chinese companies which just copy and rebrand paste, Moza really build with quality and passion in BOTH hardware and software, and the concept and software are original which shown they really have the heart to build and provide good sim products.
Hoping that this ends up being the final nail in the coffin for the gear and belt-driven wheels. It's time to move on, next up, let's bring load cell pedals in the entry level segment.
Don't forget hall effect. Load cell can fail too. :) on the brake it just feels right though.
Nah the final coffin will be when they have PlayStation compatibility and I can buy a PlayStation base and an Xbox wheel separately without buying bundles for each
Na. The cheap Logitech will not die so fast. There are too much in the households and there are too many mods out there.
i mean fanatec has had the ready2race bundles for $400 and it has 5nm so the r3 is completely irellevant
Thats silly. Nothing wrong with a Logitech G entry level wheel for casual gamers. They work just fine and can take a beating.
This is HUGE for Moza! Landing an industry partner like Microsoft and being a legit licensed direct drive for Xbox at this price level is about to strap the rocket onto these guys if their business can handle it. I sure hope that it can, we could see a major swell in this market even more so soon.
This is why unlike fanatech they use partners first to help sell products means they dont have to deal with direct sales they just ship the product to the partners and get them to deal with the sales side, I hear at times fanatech can be very slow with orders.
Glad to see more console compatible hardware. When i was in the market for driving sim hardware, dd1 f1 and gt dd pro bundles from fanatec, with additional xbox compatible wheel,was the only way for native conpatability with all consoles. Hope to see ps + Xbox compatibility more widely available some day.
Nice. I'm looking into upgrading to my first direct drive wheel from the Logitech G920. Thanks for the review.
I got my R5 in January as my upgrade from a well loved G29. I LOVE the thing!
I just got my first driver wheel in 39 years, and I got the R5 bundle. I didn't realise how much drive/torque these things have!!! I'm holding on for dear life, and it's so immersive. Awesome that they are releasing for xbox too, as this equipment gets expensive!!
personally i think it is a great bundle, enjoy! :)
Is this R3 responsive in Xbox in Forza ?
Really appreciate the honesty at the end and letting people know that controller is an excellent option. I have a dd1 and still prefer to play Xbox titles with a controller as well.
I agree, games like Wreckfest is played better with the controller. But Automobilista and other sims I couldn't possibly dream of not using a wheel.
thank you so much for this in-depth coverage for the R3 and R5. I never owned a wheel setup before and you helped me tremendously to go for the R5 bundle and later down the line I'll eventually buy an xbox compatible wheel when moza decides to release one (I game both on pc and xbox)
You guys should totally do a racing video on dirt rally 2.0 in rallycross that would be sick!
Would love to see a follow up on this bundle once Forza Motorsport releases , maybe comparing it to the CSL DD bundle for Xbox
would be interesting also because the FM8 compatibility list is "interesting" i'd say (on PC only the R9 is compatible from Moza and nothing else...)
I want this video
Pricing, quality, and all other things aside, gotta say: What a time to be alive!
You review is so detailed , answered all my questions
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching :)
Hey this was an excellent review. Very detailed, personal impressions and all. Tons of valuable info that you don't typically get with other reviewers. This R3 does look good. Hopefully in the future it will be sold separately, for those of us that can't drive automatics and require a third pedal.
U can add a third pedal
Cracking review.Covered from A to Z everything.Thumbs up!
I really want this bundle to come out.....this whole echo system is prefect.....you can upgrade over time and get all working this perfect.
Returned my G920 while it was still in the refund window while I wait for this. So much more value. MOZA are really killing it in the sim racing market and ever since they teased a proper truck style wheel for ETS2 i've been obsessed! Always hated having to use a racing wheel to drive a truck
Another thoughtful review.
I’m on console using a ts-xw and I think I’ll wait out asetek. They said they’re waiting on chips to break into console. By that time I imagine we’ll know more of how their products hold up.
I ordered the c5 2 days ago....I feel like i would've preferred this because of much more support moza has
I love moza i t a R12 and CRP pedals CS wheel and moza shifter and handbrake and a R5 bundle for the kids and i bought it at my local microcenter i couldn't be more pleased with my Moza gear its been amazing hopefully the R12 will get console support soon it literally has RJ connectors for everything on the back of the base it should be happening in the near future
Moza adding many options for all sim racers. Im very happy w the r5 (but swapped out the pedals with sim jack pros)
Great for the kids! Dont understand why they would go below the 5nm disign with a new product instead of making just like Fanatec a console version of the base model
Clearly the form factor is the limiting part here. They went for a much smaller base overall and on top of that, I doubt they need two identical products, one costing less money and being smaller in size cannibalizing the other one for revenue.
Excellent video. Really helpful. Thank you.
I can't understand. After all these months and still nothing of a release. And no CZcamsrs are talking about it. Moza don't give anything of information. Great stuff.
The casing for the r3 reminds me of the original Xbox. Love it, but I definitely prefer the look of their other wheelbases lol
Great to see another player in the mix for console. Lower peak torque than my trusty ts-xw but very tempting. Be great if the wheel was sold separately and the r9 had a pedal connection port to build up a stronger bundle. Great content as always guys
Does the R9 v2 not have a pedal port on the rear?
the r9 on their site doesn't list it@@chimp2k2
This is absolutely ideal for me, nice entry level DD from a brand I was seriously considering until I realised they didn't have an xbox compat until now! Someone with limited space I'm ordering the GT Lite Pro and this bundle, just hope the base fits? 😂
You’ll be able to use two holes but will have to drill two more if toy want to use all 4. Have you seen our recent review of the GT Lite Pro?
@boostedmedia oh wow, thanks for the reply! I have! Thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm a really new sub.
First video I watched was the hyper realistic F3 race, blew my mind!
I would really like to see an updated force feedback comparison between acc force feedback on pc and on ps5 - i think 1.9 has changed a lot on ps5 (and maybe xbox, too) since they brought 400 hz feedback
FFB is "one" of the issues on console vs pc.
I think the new Forza Motorsport and this one will be a nice entry point to the hobby for many!
Wish there was a micro centre in Australia 😢
That would be so awesome!
Same here for the uk
Most in the US wish there was a microcenter closer too if it makes you feel better 😁
I live 15 min from a micro center I bought my r5 from there
Logitech wheels just have no place in the space anymore if this existed when I first dove into sim racing 2-3 years ago I would have 100% purched it over the g920 I now have on the self collecting dust.
Hell I might have not have even upgraded to the r5 I have now. This new r3 is definitely a game changer for the entry level space.
I have G25, G27 moved over to the xbox G920 and the G923. Now I have moved to the Thrustmater TS-XW. I just think TM is better for less noise and better feel.
i'm happy for this bundle! one of my friend is looking for an upgrade from a G29 or something, i'll definitely suggest him this.
from my side, i'm using a R5 bundle since december last year, no extra stuff has been bought, using the wheel from the bundle as well. since that time i've done about 500 laps road and ~8k laps oval in iRacing, and i'm fully happy with that. what i got from this review is that this R3 is almost the same, but with lower nm. and, it's just fine.
2 questions from my side:
- what happened to your 4090, has it been replaced?
- what kind of TVs are you using and with what kind of cables are those connected to the GPU?
thanks for the great content! :)
I have the R5 bundle too, but I recently bought the R12 because the R5 is not powerful enough for me. However, I also bought the R12 for the fact that I enjoyed my R5 so much. So that bundle is great. However, I would recommend buying the brake performance kit.
Wish I knew about these earlier.
Bought a Logitech G920 + H-Shifter on discount off the recent Amazon sale (£200 for both items) AND modded them!
Used only once for 45 minutes, awaiting a monitor for the new games room, but will see how I get on with them (and sim racing in general) before any rash FOMO uogrades...
Great info. Thank you.
If they release more wheels to be compatible with Xbox, I may be going Moza when I finally have the room for a new setup. Right now Fanatec unfortunately gets my money, but there's plenty of time before I pull the trigger. If they release a few more wheels that are compatible with Xbox, I may just be able to go Moza like I want. I wanted to aim for the R12, so that would be perfect.
If they make r9 base compatible with consoles im definetly buying it.
As long as the Pedals Plug in the Base and u have the "XBOX COMPATIBLE RIM" it works.
42:20 we get a good look at the face buttons of the wheel.
On the Xbox what do the following buttons do:
LSB, RSB, RADIO, P, N, S1, S2, LT, RT?
I'm happy for more DD representation on the low end especially for XBox. Now I wish someone would release something for Playstation under the $400 mark. I'll never buy an XBox because all the big Xbox games are available on PC. My PS5 is basically a "Gran Turismo" box half of the time.
I'm with you there. I used to buy Xbox consoles for racing games only but now I don't need it because the games are on pc. I'm a pc and playstation gamer.
But I play GT Sport , GT7 and dtiveclub on playstation 4 Pro.
I'm using a T300 at the moment but if they release this bundle but playstation 4 and playstation 5 compatible but much cheaper than the €700 DD Pro kit I'll consider buying it.
Same here, 90%of the time my PS is pumping out GT7....in VR.😅Gran turismo cost me a grand
Blame sony and stop buying their products
@@justmeyouknow7649 the heart wants what the heart wants
I just ordered this one. Im just hoping its a significant upgrade from my g920
Great review @BM. Hopefully Moza can get things rolling with Sony. Tho I'm not putting much faith in Sony, as a PS5 user it's frustrating that Sony doesn't seem to do much partnering. If the opportunity does arise for a colab, it would do well for Sony to allow it to be via wheels rather than a commitment to a wheel base which would greatly reduce options, should a user or a PC player who may have a console want to use a moza system with PS5. Also it would not be cost effective to assume what type of power a PS5 player wants for the wheel base.
Me personally would like to get the Moza R12 base and then choose a wheel hopefully at least two options. Then I could later invest in a gaming PC for non PS5 tiles or just a better ACC experience in general.
Gotta love technology!
Moza are my favourite brand for sure. I love what they've done for the market.
Yeah they are making the market SO competitive, it's amazing.
Moza is on lightspeed while fanatec tries to keep the stock up with old products, guess they sweats in France now
Howdy, I'm currently looking to upgrade ( from a g920) in anticipation of Forza motorsport on Xbox ( also looking at doing competitive racing).Looking at DD wheels. Do you think Moza R3, Csl DD or the Logitech G Pro? Also my rig will be a dd compatible rig and will be using your links. Love the channel.
@@snippidippi why france?
@@EdelOss1 fanatec is a French company
Great video, I’m looking at getting this steering wheel to play mainly F1. I’m only getting into Xbox later in life, so a lot goes right over my head. I did try the controller, but steering was so hard, so touchy, can you adjust that? Would it be easier with the wheel? Cheers Marc
Moza killing it while being evasive at the same time. Weird language to a simple question. Great for gamers nonetheless
Hopefully picking up a R12 soon (still saving lol)
Microcenter is amazing I have one here close in Rockville
Great Video, how loud are the paddle shifters? The G923 was virtually silent for that at least.
Moza just keeps expanding..I think alot of us in the console world are forgotten about unfortunately, but I'm still in the dark in PS and now that fanatec has disc. the F1 podium I have no way to upgrade from the DD Pro unless I go Logitech G Pro which I never will with lack of ecosystem..I'd love the R12 if it had full console support, hopefully one of them will recognize us all Xbox/PS/PC as a whole just start making it standard. I know it would prob cost them more but really hope Asetek comes with console support but if they do I'm sure it'll be Xbox only of course even though I feel like there's more PS console users. Still we done addressing part of us console users
Finally I can buy a DD, the other wheelbases were just too expensive
Then get to work and earn some savings my dude... unless you´re in console this wheel is a nonsense to me with the r5 already on the market, what they should have done is made an alternative r5 with console compatibilities.
Anyway I hope this wheel goes well in sales because that will mean that everyday more people are leaving their gamepads, and that will push the console developers to pay more atention in driveability and physics in general which we´re all agree, are far away from the best PC simracing sims.
@@carlosrey1331 I'm a college student and given my class schedule I can't work so yeah the other bundle are no go for me, and yes I'm on the Xbox, so that's the main reason why this bundle is very appealing to me
@@carlosrey1331 I mainly game on xbox and pc but the fact that this wheel isn't real leather is a hard no.
Before selling my moza r12 and ecosystem to go over to Simagic Alpha U, I had a bought a Thrustmaster TS-XW that my friend bought from me. I thought it was a great beginner wheel especially with the T-LCM pedals. How would the R3 compare to it on console. My Buddy Joey is definitely having fun so far.
I also asked them about a xbox r5 bundle and got a similar response. That i have to follow for updates on their website… hopefully soon
Thank you! Understanding that this one is for xbox, would you say games like GT7 can be better on a DD wheel system compared to the ps5 controller? (Faster/more consistent/etc)
This question comes after your comment that with forza the controller might be best suited
Do you know if handbrake + gear shifter will work on Xbox with R3? I heard that TM you need to choose only one.
It seems like a great deal, but for the price I'm still going Cammus when I go for my 1st DD wheel.
$400 for 3.9 NM! I would rather get the CSL DD bundle for that extra force feedback or get a G29 for much less. Needless to say that you could find a much better deal buying used.
Very informative. Thanks! Has this not released yet to the public or are they just out of stock at Moza?
Hasn’t been released (still).
@@boostedmedia Do you know if a cockpit that released 2 years ago and is advertised as being compatible with Logitech, Thrustmaster, and Fanatec would also be compatible with Moza? Do they all follow the same standard?
They need to sell the Xbox wheel ASAP. My R5 needs it
I wonder if Moza will seek out Sony licencing and produce a Playstation compatible version of the R3 wheelbase?
The Fanatec R2R bundle with the P1 V2 is $639AUD if you're on PC only.
It's cheaper and has 1.1nm more power.
TBH the wrc wheel is the same as the p1 wheel, but has xbox compatibility and alcentara rather than rubber on the rim.
CSL DD can then be upgraded for 50aud to 8nm.
There's no DD entry bundle as good a value as what Fanatec has if you're going on PC, and want the option to go that one bit further.
To best that you need the Moza R9 and even then, it's not quite as good as the CSL DD 8nm overall
Ok… Am I crazy here or the led lights on the wheel actually works on Xbox? How did they do that?
On Fanatec it’s not possible because something something with Xbox.
I don’t get that…
It’s also not possible to assign more buttons than gamepad has due to the same reason, while on my flying yoke I can do that without any issues. Another confusion.
So i accepted that my Formula V2.5x wheel functionality is quite limited on Xbox and now I watch working lights on Moza wheel… great.
I'm waiting to get the r3 bundle but it isn't in stock. Love what moza is doing but they need to get stuff back in stock
This bundle is great if we as consumer can get hands on it too it passed early 4t quarter
Are the rev lights and additional buttons working on Xbox? Something that is not on Fanatec ecosystem but apparently is possible (Logitech DD).
The million dollar question!
so a t300 but dd... base looks soooo goofy lol but still pretty cool, nice how small it is
numbers definitely not the only factor, my DD wheel capped at 3.5ishNm feels so much better than a T300
@@zhgfng yeah the details you get on a dd wheelbase is so much better than belt or gear driven wheels. there is no play like in those gear and belt to dampen the details. i'd rather have 3.9nm with dd than going back to those again, not even a tgt.
@@zhgfng yeah I know, my r9 feels amazing, that's why i'm saying it's good
is that better than Thrust T300/TX that have same power 3,9 Nm ?? is it worth to change to Moza R3 after TX ?
11:29 by the way Forza Horizen 5 is simcade so a sim that focuses on gameplay namely how hard you can enter corners and make it.... Which Forza Motorsport 8 is coming this fall and is a full sim title in every sinse of the meaning.
Yep. I discuss this more in the conclusions. We will definetly be revisiting when Motorsport drops.
@@boostedmedia Ah ok thanks and great review as always! But yeah we really need more sims on console in general especly know when sims are getting more accessible controls/interface wise.
I think the used market has the low end wheels covered.. I wish they would have came out swinging with a 10+ nm base to really compete with Logitech and Fanatec. At such low torque I wouldn't really care what tech drives the base. Hopefully that's in the future, but I feel like that would depend on how well this base does. Great review man, interesting move from Moza.
They have the R12.
And on the 10Nm+ section their competitors are Simagic, Logitech and Thrustmaster.
@@mArvAlcao71 +1
Dis you get hands on the new moza trucker wheel ? Or the one with circle display yet?
As soon as they have a playstation set up I'll be buying immediately no hesitation.
Pretty thorough review, and I can understand your final thoughts, but as an upgrade alternative, since the Xbox compatibility is in the wheel, wouldn't an R12 work on the Xbox (I believe that there's an R9 V2 that should line it up with the R5/12)? That would certainly be more powerful than the 8Nm on the DD, no?
As for me, I'm interested in this just because of the upgrade capabilities to take a deeper dive over time, although I do recognize the superior the pedal options and broader wheel selection in the Fanatec ecosystem you brought up. My ongoing concern with Fanatec is just the quality issues with the QR, shaft, and in some cases rear ports that people have brought up over the past year or so... not to mention the $700-800 initial investment if I want to eventually use the same setup on console. Sure, Fanatec still has the edge given they support both PS and Xbox at the moment, but I have to figure that Moza is likely on the same path - especially if this offering takes off. Anyway, looks like it might be worth hanging on the fence a wee bit longer to see how things play out.
Yes, the R12 and R5 are compatible if mated with the ES XBox wheel.
The R9 V2 could be compatible as well, but sadly it doesn't have the port for the pedals.
@@mArvAlcao71 Ah, that’s a shame. Honestly, it’s hard to tell given that the product page has what seems like the V1, given the3 contact points on the shaft vs. the 5 contact point shafts updated for V2 wheels… it does state the available connections clearly in the description though. Seems like a lost opportunity to add those connections when they revised it for the V2 to make it consistent with the other bases.
All the brands just make it so hard
I am interested in getting one in the near future 🔮
May aswell get the fanatec bundle with the McLaren rim then at least you have the option to go 8nm later
Better options for pedal upgrades too (assuming you’re on Xbox).
If Fanatec doesn't get their crap together and step up, they're going to find themselves in trouble. Good job Moza, keep it up!
well the fanatec csl dd is the same price for the exact same product (except for the table clamp) but with 5nm of power (upgradable for 100 bucks to 8nm) while this one is 3.9 nm so it isnt really trouble for fanatec
@@julianvanderglas2619 I don’t think you’re looking at the bigger picture. I wasn’t referring to this specific product.
@@julianvanderglas2619 It’s not the same price though. The Fanatec dd Xbox bundle is $479.99. It comes out to be $80 more without the table clamp that moza includes.
I got the r12 freaking awesome I prefer it over my 20nm wheel
Please
Which 20 nm base and why??
The C5 is 7nm peak power. ;)
Cool offering from Moza though. I wonder if Cammus can get this Xbox compatibility....
fanatec ready to race bundle still beats this easily with price to performance...2NM more with option to upgrade to 5NM more? A better ecosystem? Nicer looking designs? And all that for 50$ less? The clacking with the quick release can be fixed with a bit of tape and i never felt any significant flex with my csl dd.
I'm not sure how MOZA was planning. Making the R9 to take over CSL DD(8NM) is fine, making R5 to take over CSL DD(5NM) with another size change of product is a bit strange as CSL DD is actually an 8NM motor with smaller power supply, and now the R3. Basicly open another product line in this short period, how could that possible? Maybe this is only possible in Chinese company, can ignore the cost of creating a new product line
i'm sold on the Moza R3 with upgrade to the 12" wheel and maybe R5 base in future. I want to add the shifter and handbrake also. Along with the heavy spring and damper upgrade to the light pedal and the clutch pedal LOL but!! I can't find it anywhere. I guess it is not released yet. I want to get it asap how can I do so?
Question: Would you compare this to the Thrustmaster T300 RS? I would love to see a comparison of the t300 rs with the r3 as I think it would be fairer, to anyone wanting to look at a direct drive and why would be perfect for a starter wheelbase. both wheelbases are 3.9N/m so this would be interesting to see your take on this :)
Given the random reliability of this thrustmaster base, I want to say rip T300
@@THESHADOW97139 Yeah, I agree.
A very respectable price for a very respectable wheel bundle
What is the situation with button mapping on Xbox(poor xinput)? On Thrustmaster steering wheels, a lot of the buttons on the wheel are duplicated. Can we hook up the handbrake and h shifter and it will work?
FINALLY! So hyped
question u didn't make it clear whether or not the shifter handbrake and other accessory's work on xbox with the wheel I assume the wheel makes them xbox compatable but just want clarification so I dont make a mistake in buying this
Moza are killing it at the moment!
yes and no have you seen the new fanatec bundles? they re crazy cheap
@@Leon83858 No reliability at fanatec .... without me
So stoked
What about something like the Thrustmaster TSXW belt driven base for xbox. That is 6nm. Would that be a better option still? would it feel better?
And why do the consoles give an inferior feedback and detail over pc? I dont understand why it should do that?
Simplified physics engine and diffierent protocols used for communicating force feedback details would be my somewhat educated guess.
I personally prefer the detail of a weaker DD over a stronger belt driven base.
Great review i'm missing the trustmaster products in the comparison (t150,t300) what are they compared to this product
Behind
u should try some other pedals with it see if any other work with moza for the console
Can you not use the clamp to cockpit base so you get all four points secured. I want this bundle as my first ever wheel. But don't want to have to play around fitting to cockpit as don't have access to drills
I've been looking at the Playset trophy g cockpit..Is it compatible,or will I have to modify the plate(drill more holes)as clamps don't seen to be as sturdy?..cheers
Do you have any insight on when the R3 bundle will be available?
So dumb question maybe, but are you saying that if I wanted to upgrade my Servo with the Xbox wheel all I have to do is get a new servo put the wheel on and I’m good to go?
Would this be compatible with a playseat, or would the torque be too much for a foldable playseat to handle?
quick question. If you are on PC does the X-box button equal to xbox game bar? And will the same button (start) on the R5 do the same thing?
Fanatecs qr1 and qr lite have almost become a meme at the moment, youd think theyd be scrambling to get the qr2 system out asap.
Just so we’re clear. It’s far better to have the security chip for the console in the base like the way PlayStation do rather than in the wheel itself because if Moza made a PlayStation compatible base, then you are able to use every single wheel they have made despite being made for the PC. Since the security chip is in the wheel for Xbox you can only use that wheel. Usually the base is not the part that you change. Normally people buy the base they want and then get a whole range of different steering wheels, but the fact you can’t do that with this wheel is a let down because if you buy this wheel you’re stuck with it
I'm pretty sure my csl elite has more nm than this. I guess its a good starting wheel but nothing id leave fanatec for
Any news with ACC? Maybe a new video with the new Forza too?
I am also interested in this.