Is the Smallest DD Wheel Any Good? - MOZA R3 In-Game Testing
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2023
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MOZA Racing has announced their newest sim racing direct drive wheel and pedal set, the R3. The R3 bundle is targeted toward the beginner or budget oriented player looking to enhance their racing game experience, and is the first offering from MOZA Racing that is console compatible.
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EDIT: The wheel issue I mentioned in the video (PitHouse software didn’t recognize the R3) has been resolved. It was a port conflict on my computer. Thanks for watching!
Have you done a comparison video yet of the R3 or the Fanatec? And what of the PXN coming in at $519 with 3 pedals, 6nm and a leather wheel.
Expecting Belt Driven wheels to completely phase out of the market in the next years.
If moza can do the r3 playstation kit when or if they do release it at a much more reasonable price than the DD Pro then I'll be buying the moza kit.
I'm using a T300 at the moment. I race on pc sims , simcade and arcade racers on pc and I play GT sport , GT 7 and Dtiveclub on PS4 Pro. So I need that playstation compatibility
They will be soon before, excluding sub 200/250€ for console, PlayStation in particular
I don't think so, there will always be a market for cheap starter wheels
@@rickyspanish4792 there are DD wheels now like the one in the video in same price point as belt driven wheels for example Cammus c5 which costs $300 (wheel + pedals) which makes the belt driven wheels pointless and a waste of money.
Not until it’s below $300. All that will happen is the belt technology might move down in price.
Funnily enough, just recently I was thinking that there's no sub-5 Nm DD yet. This makes me wonder if we might soon get to the point that the market becomes DD only, even for entry level wheels.
Perhaps, but Thrustmaster did come to market with the T128 at half the price of the R3. That’s a pretty significant price gap. I don’t know for sure, but I wonder if there is a “floor” to the pricing of the direct drive wheel.
@@SimRacing604Don't see why they can't get cheaper, electric motors are still getting cheaper to manufacture, and the simplicity of a DD vs belt or gear driven must be a big positive for the manufacturers.
i think these dd prices will definitely drive gear/belt systems to even lower prices, we might see cheaper entry level wheels from logitech and co
Glad you got the issue sorted out - I do hope you try the R12/Xbox wheel on the console to see if it works! I would definitely be interested in upgrading to that combo if it does - then again, I may hold out a little longer if a PS-compatible base built on the R9 (or maybe even the R12) is on the horizon. This release certainly raises hope!
If it's anything like my R5 it must be really good. I turn my peak torque down anyways for casual racing so I'm sure 3.9nm would be fine.
Nice...can't believe you got this quickly. :D
I'm impressed! Already got the 8nm CSL DD myself but I KNOW this'll allow a LOT more people get into the direct drive eco-space.
This and the CSL price drop is gonna be the death knell of the milking Logitech has undesrtaken by just updating the case of their almost 20 year old G series geared wheels.
Probably even Thrustmaster with their T series belt driven wheels.
IIRC the T300 was about 3.7-3.9nm peak and the T500 is 4-4.5nm.
Having hall effect sensors in even the dual pedal set will also eliminate the issues of both the G and T series suffered (particularly dust & dirt gumming the gears and the pots wearing out over time).
If I was still on my T300RS I'd DEFINITELY be interested in this wheelbase, particularly for the adaptability of the software letting you set specific curves for pedal application.
That last is making me SERIOUSLY consider getting either the R9 or R12 and pedal set (and the better QR they offer might just seal the deal).
Totally agree - I would give Logitech some praise for finally offering a wheel more in line with what the rest of the market is doing, but not at the price they are trying to sell that one at at. The Logitech G Pro Wheel and Pedals are definitely not worth $1,350, compared to what's out there.
Thank you for the review. I m getting one. I am a new, senior citizen (71) driver, starting out. Thought about the r5, but this is perfect for me.
I run my tsxw at 75% (around 4.5nm) so this looks like a great dd starting point. Fanatec are off my radar, they’ve dropped the ball and haven’t done much in the last 2 years including getting their quality control sorted. Options are limited on console so this is perfect
Have they fixed the led rev light strip to work on console?
The reviews I’ve seen it just pulses and doesn’t actually seem to work
Moza sold me on this with the price (not as low as I was expecting, but for $570 CAD shipped to my door, that's even better than the Cammus C5).
I'm currently on a TMX (about 2.5Nm) and I don't have the money for the R5 bundle or CSL DD and want first-party console compatibility (not with a third party adapter). The 3.9Nm of torque doesn't worry me. The TMX is already a handful turned right up, so I don't want to jump too high and not need it.
You’re going to love it!
Bought the CSL DD 5nm for 532 after tax and shipping
@SimRacing604 do you think that this bundle combined with the brake performance kit for srp-lite pedals can make you close to competitive in ACC?
Really torn between getting the CSL DD Mclaren bundle with the LC pedal upgrade and this, only leaning more towards moza because of the horror stories with the QR on the Mclaren wheel splitting and braking, does moza have a LC upgrade kit for the SR-P Lite pedals?
i'm currently using an old T500rs on my rig, been wanting to upgrade to the moza system for a while now but having an extremely tiny budget ive never been able to afford something like an r5 bundle which goes for around 1000$aud ish, but with me being plenty satisfied with the outright strength of the t500rs i think the jump to an r3 bundle will be easier on my small wallet while also giving me a really nice upgrade interms of feeling and whatnot compared to the aging belt drive in the t500
I just migrated from a T300 rs gt to a moza r5 bundle, I found the difference quite dignified! I believe you feel it too. The strength is similar, but the level of detail, speed, and countersteer make the feeling of strength really much stronger.
Good luck!
Keep your steering wheel and continue to put money aside, to take something more powerful, like R9 or R12, see simagic mini, which is better than these
@@THESHADOW97139 You could potentially keep saving longer and longer and get a 2K dollars one. Honestly, there is no difference between a Moza R3 and the R19 because of one big details:
No matter how much better the wheel gets, it wont give you the 70% of the missing feedback from actual g forces, vibrations, sounds, etc which you get racing.
To be honest, an R5 or even R3 are more than enough to get an outstanding racing SIM if it is combined with a good monitor and great audio + ideally a good sitting position.
Anything above those (in terms of money) is really a big waste. And I know what I am saying, I am well aware that many sim enthusiasts would eat me for this, but it is the cold truth. Proof? you have people on a G29 who blow the water out of someone on the most expensive physical rig which simulates body moves and all that.
End of the day, Skill > money spent. So I´d say... get a decent R3 or R5 (or similar).. that´s already a good chunk of money for a game wheel... and simply get on with it :)
I believe i have a bit of a wait before i get mine. Cant wait to see how it performs. Im currently on a g920 so im hoping the upgrade is worth it.
Interesting little base
I know technically the motor on something like the T500rs (what I use) is stronger. But with the belts, I imagine it loses some strength along with fidelity. So I did want to ask, how does this feel compared to a t500/t300 set up? Does it feel comparable strength? Does it feel more detailed?
I probably skip this one and go for. A r9 or r12 myself, but am curious
Thanks for the first look, looking forward to the full review. Do you know where we can buy Moza stuff in Canada? I’m in Vancouver if that makes a difference. Thanks!
Pit Lane Sim Racing and Advanced Sim Racing are both Moza distributors with free shipping in/to Canada. The R3 Bundle is currently listed for $569.99 CAD on both their websites.
i'd love a video of that xbox wheel on another moza base. havent seen actual confirmation on if it will make something like an r 12 xbox compatible
The only problem I have with all these new "entry level" DD wheels/bundles (like this one or the Cammus C5) is that there's no way the prices are going to be that good in my country (Spain). Just the ludicrous $/€ conversions that we usually suffer will make them a lot more expensive, but the fact that a g29/g920 brand new can't usually be found for less than 300/350€ makes me think that we couldn't get one of this R3 for less than 500. Just fuking sad 😢
hi, can this R3 enable the moza hgp handbrake and shifter on XBOX? Thanks.
Hey Mike, any comments on whether this wheelbase could be desk mounted? Would you recommend it if I don't have a rig?
Hi! You bet, it includes a desk mount. And yes, I’d highly recommend this wheel and pedal set with or without a rig
Does the R5 Moza work on Series X if you’re playing ACC?
will the wheel work on the other bases to give console compatibility? say R12, and then get the other loadcell pedals? the wheel can it use the
ES Formula Wheel Mod ?
Yes MOZA have said the chip that allows for console use is in the wheel. So you’ll be able to use any of their bases with this wheel on Xbox. But….at the moment the only way of getting hold of the wheel is to buy the whole R3 bundle.
Are you able to put the formula wheel mod on it?
Better than the Cammus option at less than 400.00 and it's 6 to 7nm?
Definitely going to buy this one as it comes out! Anyone has any idea when that is? (On Moza's site, you can only "get notified" by mail, but it doesn't state a date..)
They are targeting the end of September for shipping
@@SimRacing604Thanks for the info! That's something I can wait for :)
Thank you so much for this. I have about 4 or 5 guys i trust for Sim reviews and you have been one for a while now. I asked this on another channel and he could not answer. You did say it in your review, but could you try explain how different it feels compared to a TX/T300 ? I owned one of those guys and it felt really nice, but i would run it at about 70% cos i used to get ffb fade. But will it be a big difference with all the details?
And can you give an idea of how the differences are?
where can i buy one? moza website does not have it for sale…..??
Cancelled in silence I guess moza won't talk about it
I used to run a TGT-2, swapped it out for a Cammus C5 and the cammus wrecks the tgt-2 performace.
One important thing to mention is that the ES comes with a proper QR meanwhile you're basically hoping the atrocious QR on the fanatec bundle not to fail.
Lol, great point. Moza has done QRs right since day 1. I don’t know how Fanatec has taken this long to get it right
That’s what is pushing me towards the moza, seems sturdier
@@Niktriv78901 well one is plastic and the other is aluminium unless you get the aluminium QR1 and then install it yourself.
Moza should make 3 R3 bundles. r3 D shape for 400, r3 formula for 400 and r3 round rim for 429,
For sure, I would like to have a round wheel.
Also, the small size makes it PORTABLE and fits in a backpack!
Why would you do that?
@@Pozer714take it to work
What i like from the fanatec option is that the upgrade is 150 bucks to 8nm. you cant do that with anything moza. people like to complain about that price for a power brick but in reality what you are getting is essentially a whole new wheelbase without e waste.
Completely agree. That’s the biggest selling point for Fanatec over Moza at this price point.
@@SimRacing604 Yes. At this price point. Well put.
@martymet yeah but if you live outside the places they ship, like the uae, the price is around 700$
@@cap7ainadam387 doesnt seem like youd be the one complaining about the $150 power brick then.
@@martymet tbh, I would because shipping here is exponentially expensive, but if 180w is 150, that would mean that the psu in 200 usd dd is worth nearly have the cost according to fanatec
It's time to say goodbye to my trusty T300RS, the belt driven era is officially coming to an end. Though some of my friends are really craving for Moza on PS compatibility right now, with GT7 Esports being held and Fanatec products out of our reach. I'd have to tell them the bad news, but I'm really hoping that won't last long, and if this R3 sells well and with Forza Motorsport coming out soon, competing head to head with GT7 and comes out on top, Sony will have to do something about it! Hopefully by the end of the year, announce Moza on PS! :)
Man, the R12 with PlayStation compatibility would be my top wheel, hands down. I can’t wait to see what Moza comes out with on the PS front
@@SimRacing604patiently waiting. The PS compatibility chip would have to be implanted into the base itself, unlike with Xbox where the chip is in the wheel. Fanatec announced the CSL DD and the GT DD pro about 6 months apart so maybe we’ll have an announcement about a PS compatible base around the holidays
IT SOLD OUT !
Moza's website lists the bundle at $399
And ACC xbox version ?
Based on the fact the R3 didn't connect to the software the winner is pretty clear. My R5 has also had some software issues
Id check tour PC, I have never had an issue.
Moza after sales is diabolical
Fanatec at 400 dollars does not include the support of the base, moreover, the steering wheels are much heavier and tto big therefore reduce the sensations of use, if we compare with the steering wheel ES from moza
I will not even talk about the reliability of fanatec ...
So, is the T300 pretty much dead by now?
Logitech too, yes
@@THESHADOW97139 Oh yeah, the logitech gear drivers are so anti-value i even forgot about them lol
I think they died long ago though
Basically obsolete now. Thrustmaster only has the T128 now for an entry level device, and no DD maker will ever touch that price point. It'll be impossible without huge cost cutting.
@@tarushdei At the same time, the T128 is worse than the T150 and the T248 is worse than the T300... There is only the TS/TGT which remains equal to itself... but with a staggering price.
Thrustmaster is in the same hole as logitech.
Overheating issue?
None. Warm to the touch, but nothing approximating hot or overheated
Can you use that wheel on a PC
You bet. It’s PC or Xbox compatible
For console gamers, nothing wrong with power. My R5 is @60% and more than enough power.
I run my Fanatec CSL DD 5Nm at 50% :)
Damn, I run my R12 at 75%
The Cammus C5 is in that price range. I believe it's $328 for Wheel, pedals and a table clamp. Shipping is the let down there if there's not a warehouse close by.
Yes, but it needs to be mentioned that that bundle including shipping costs is over $400 USD to Canada and the US.
The shipping costs in Asia and Australia are much better, but their distribution isn't good right now and they are relying on very expensive shipping to get them out.
If they are of interest to anyone, it would be best to wait till next year as they are opening a lot of distributors now.
@@tarushdeiwhy wait till next year? There are already plenty of authorized distributors already, I bought my R9 and SRP pedals from a local distributor here in Canada at the beginning of this year and it was free shipping.
So WTF hasn't MOZA had any stock on their website for MONTHS and MONTHS? What is the bottleneck to being actually able to purchase this DD Wheel set????? Anybody know? Because I've been following for MONTHS and am also on their mailing list. WTF
R3 is already sold out 😂
moza is chinese company, ofc they won't put letter "4" for their products lol
Fanatec still wins 🤷🏾♂️
How so?
@soca On what planet??
This feels like a def option but not game-changing like the csl dd was. It also seems toy-like to me. Also, they have yet to go after the PS market.
Found the Fanaboy.
Fanatec is on the back foot now. They don't have an entry level DD wheel anymore. Cheapest option right now for Xbox compatibility is $480 USD and that's not including shipping.
Lots of North American Moza distributors offer free shipping.
@@soca268they are merely waiting for Sony to give them the chips to put in their bases.
xbox compatibility is pointless since all xbox racing games are on PC... I would buy MOZA instantly if it got PS5 compatibility or let say PS5 rim
But not everyone with an xbox has a pc
its basically a t300 on crack
I know technically the motor on something like the T500rs (what I use) is stronger. But with the belts, I imagine it loses some strength along with fidelity. So I did want to ask, how does this feel compared to a t500/t300 set up? Does it feel comparable strength? Does it feel more detailed?
I'd probably skip this one and go for. A r9 or r12 myself, but am curious
Defo go for R9/12, i've used T500 & TS-PC before I switched to alpha mini DD (10nm), moza was my other go to option. Bit more detailed due to a faster+crisper delivery of those details/forces. I'm lovin it