Antique German violin and a modern German violin, how do they compare?
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- We are commonly asked here at Bows for Strings about the differences between modernly made violins and antique violins.
To help demonstrate the differences in tonal attributes between antique and new violins, in this video Myles plays the same piece on two beautiful German violins; an antique violin circa 1890s labelled 'Platner', and a Roth #71 violin.
The two violins are similarly priced and they have both been set up with identical fittings (strings, bridge, tailpiece and soundpost) in our workshop.
As you can hear, the antique violin has a real depth and richness, whilst the modernly made violin has a different degree of brilliance and projection. Whichever instrument you prefer the sound of, they are both lovely violins!
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I used to own a German violin, circa 1930s. It was very easy to play, pleasing to the ears and eyes. I wish I still had it.
I have to say that the playing was spot on stylistically!
I really learned a lot from this video. The first one was best.
I would have liked to hear more top part of E strings and G strings as well as their resonance. But I find the new one sounds brighter
Enjoyed that. Can’t play anything but I think I could hear a difference (on my iPad lol) the first (older) one did sound a touch richer to me so your description was spot on. Both sounded great to me and of course your playing was beautiful.
Subtle differences. Give credit to the new makers. The old instrument sound is more rich and complex, which to be expected. The modern violin will mature as the wood dries out more. Thanks for posting.
I think this shows that instruments really do “open up” after a lot of playing.
It's crazy how much more rich the old violin sounds. Interesting
Beautiful! It's only very fitting that the older violin gives a soul searching sentiment and the newer one a bright and forward looking feeling....
Ah fad speak
Yes!I have a Stainer (1890) 4/4 and it has a profound and sweet sound like the first You play. 😊. And it is really beautifull. It has an increíble thin neck, more than my other stainer 3/4, it's confortable to play for my small hands. I don't know if all Stainers 4/4 has thin necks. I love it because, for me, it's unique.
That's beautiful, Marta! Sounds like you have a wonderful violin for you!
The new one is a little more shrill but it will mellow in time 😊😊
I just purchased my 2nd German antique violin. Very functional instruments in my opinion.
Your double stops were awesome! Can you do Italian vs German?
Italia violin is stand all over. , surrounded,,sensitive,,,warming..crystal clear…4 strings equalizer …robust
I love that tune you're playing, i've heard it on a Civil War Documentary. what is it?
Is the antique one here factory made or by one maker or workshop? I'm trying to understand if a German antique factory made violin is a good idea to seek out out or not, being less expensive of course.
It is possible to feel the Soul of the old violin.
Dois instrumentos com som maravilhosos , porém o antigo tem um som mais amplo e aberto , o segundo também tem um som maravilhoso, porém mais aveludado, aí isso vai de gosto de cada um .
How old is the bass bar in the old violin?
Beautifully played. Particularly the second time.
Are you kidding...
What song are you playing? ❤❤
Is that first piece the Westfalia Waltz? It sounds familiar to me, at any rate. Very nicely done. I like the sound of both of them. I prefer the older one, I think.
Ashokan farewell I believe
It is definitely Ashokan Farewell. Typically it is not played with so many double stops. I like it that way but alas do not have the skills yet to play it with the double stops and vibrato.😊😊
@@gaborkorthy8355 Are they the same song?
@@patriciajrs46 yes
I can see why some might like the newer violin, since you can hear the articulated details more clearly, but I love the rich sound of the old 😭
I feel the antique to be very musical
Please give me the price of the 1800 tree. Thank you
Antique for sure.
Why the demonstration didn't include neither the E string, nor higher positions?
Because he's a fiddler. Fiddlers of all traditions around the world rarely play above the first D on the E string.
What's the price
How much are they then
I feel like the newer one would do better with classical music, but as played I definitely prefer the older one.
May I ask what you were playing? It sounded beautiful
Ashokan Farewell by Jay Ungar
The platner better a little but sane sound colored
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What is the prize of this violi n
Antique sounds warmer.
New one seems brighter i guess
Looks a little bright to me ?
I think Jay Ungar was drunk when he wrote that tune. Seriously I have a old German Neuner school violin Strad, fabulous powerfull tone
anyone know what piece he played in this video?
He plays a version of Ashokan Farewell by Jay Ungar. Not quite the way it's usually played. Very beautiful, though.
Thanks so much!
This might be a school example that some instruments and setup correspond better to certain type of music.
Generally classic music is more usually used when comparing instruments because classic music shows exactly what instrument really is/can. There are no frequent glissando techniques, not so much smearings (vibratos, imprecisions deliberate or accidental), and double stops are in moderate quantities.
Cost of the 1880's German violin
I have an 1870’s German violin that I found at yard sale for $100 in 1981…. Had repaired In 2022 and valued $6000. Beautiful tone, use top quality strings, and the Lower register resonates like an opera contralto.
I love modern German violin,,sweet sound,,,but just for coffee restaurant not for classic musical
Modern Germany violin sweet sound but the old strong sound and not sweet
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Hmm, I wish there was a name for the German violin as some were mass produced in Germany in the 1800s for the middle class. Just being German from the 1800s doesn't make it anything special. Unless it was made by one of the masters.
First one has soul.
The old German violin is far better, it gives you serenity of the soul.
You can tell a difference in them right away. The older one sounds experienced, played more often. The newer one sounds rich and bold, but not mellow and not broke-in.
I prefer the new one actually. The sound is cleaner.
It doesn't matter if the instrument is 100 or 1000 years old or if it was made 5 seconds ago. If you can play then it would always sound good.
That’s not the argument going on here. If you put a professional driver in a busted car he is going to push it to its limit but still be held back by it. You have alot to learn.
Faded love? I think.
Ah yes, Ashokan Farewell. A piece written for the Ken Burns documentary, The Civil War. Not exactly a classical piece. I would have liked to hear a litle Vivaldi or Bach for comparison purposes.
Every violin has personality. But generally, old violins are much better than new violins.
The modern violin should price twice the price of the old one or the old violin should price half the price of the modern one
Why do you say that?
@@RolandHutchinson Actually it's the other way around
@@RockStarOscarStern634 There are also lots of old German violins that command prices similar to a new violin of comparable quality.
@@RolandHutchinson Oh right
The old one sounded better in every way.I prefer a real trained
classical violinist, but you can still tell the better tone.
don't be stupid, playing folk doesn't mean you're not classically trained
They sound nearly identical…. like most violins above $50.