N54 Turbos VIV V3 19T vs RB Turbo vs Stock: WHICH IS BEST?
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- BMW N54 Turbos VIV V3 19T vs RB Turbo vs Stock
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The Classic RB turbos were my first set of upgraded turbos which I bought 9 yrs ago. There were issues with some of these but mine lasted 27,000kms without any before I upgraded to the EVOs. Managed a 11.28s run before removal after which I found plenty of side play in the shaft requiring them to be rebuilt. The main issue with China turbos is the quality especially in the balance of the rotating mass.
Gents, because of your channel and the quality of the content, we recently purchased a set of of VIV 19T's. So far so good, we're still adding miles and breaking them in. Wow, there is a MAJOR difference between these and stock. We are also running an e50 blend on MHD and will be doing a full custom tune very soon. We also have an XHP transmission tune (this is a must) to keep up with the new 19T turbo's. Thank you for sharing all the info you do, it has helped us make some important decisions for our 2007 335i.
Any updates?
how was your experience with them to this day?
This video was super interesting. Thanks
In an ideal world so to speak I would like a part II to this video explaining more of the differences and also compare with other turbos.
A video with all of the n54 turbos.
But I am already very happy with this vid
Haven't watched any videos from you lately, didn't recognize you until the voice. Great beard by the way. As always the BEST n54 content! 💯
Welcome back!
nice work mate! i still regret not going 19t every day but i cant fault the 17ts! theyre pushing 393rwkw here and there :P before i go to a more daily map for driving haha!
Great video, thanks! More blades on the turbine wheel makes it more efficient, but does not mean it will spool faster. More blades also mean higher inertia, so it could be possible a turbine wheel with less blades spools up faster. Less blades does indeed result in more flow. Curious to see how much power can be made with the 19T's......
Just bought a 335i wagon with pure stage 2 DDs,meth FBO.Fun car.Just high flowing back turbo outlet at momen,which wasnt done.Good on gas,comfortable ride,practicle,real sleeper.Must be equal to 17 ts I think.Enough power for me.😃
Exciting stuff!
TUNE LOADING............
Great content as always, would you happen to know what inlet pipes were used on this car? also any follow up videos or info? im trying to decide if I should go 17t of 19ts with my aus rhd e92 335i.
i wish you would do a 19t v4 build / review brotha ! i would watch that religiously
Hell yea, Nice vid !!!
Thanks man. Soon your thing will be getting them in sure
Great video!
Thank you sir!
I just got a pair of viv 19t v3's installed also. Got all the supporting upgrades, will be running on e85 PI hopefully getting up to about 28-30psi. I havent hit the road yet, just waiting on bearings and seals for my LSD to come in beforehand. I'll continue to follow your channel, best of luck with the new snails. I'm personally interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison with the 17t's.
Have u got ur car running I just order a set v3 for my 135 but wondering if I made a good choice
@@n54sparrow92 how are they holding up so far bro??
Any updates ??
how are these turbos holding up bro?
I have the VIV 19t's on my 07 e90 335i. They were leaking at the compressor housing o-ring after only a couple thousand miles. I got the Turbo Labs kit and went through them upgrading all the parts included. The kit has a new o-ring that sealed up the leak and the bearings included were quite a bit more robust with larger contact surface area. There's also an additional oil port with the Turbo Lab's kit. I don't forsee having any problems with them for the foreseeable future. I've got a port injection controller I need to install, along with a Vargas cast valve cover and external pcv setup/catch cans. Then it'll be tuning and to the dyno. 600whp shouldn't be a problem...
How is it
Brilliant video on the differences of the turbos
You guys have inspired me to go that extra step I watch all the videos and have just received my TTE500 turbos, bigger inlets , new outlets water meth kit, lightweight flywheel and bigger clutch ( obviously fbo too)
Can’t wait to get everything fitted now 🙏🏻
How did the TTE hold up?
@@aidann7567 there running perfectly never had a problem with them 👍🏻
@@z3mjaydoesn’t surprise me I’ve heard good things about em. How many miles and how hard have u pushed them? My cylinder head needs replacing and tryna do all the upgrades I want at the same time really tempted by the TTEs
I got turbo labs upgraded turbos. ~15T based on what they said on Amazon reviews. They feel great so I suppose I'll just not know what I'm missing going bigger. Lol. I've put 2k miles on them and I have a bit more peace of mind over China turbos for what that's worth.
Ooooh you know what will be sweet? Installing a single turbo with a CNC machined exhaust manifold! 🔥⚫️
Nice and informative mate as always. Go Scotty you legend enjoy that 19t power!!!
Will be interesting to see how these go against your Flow Max's. Hows your tuning coming along?
@@ZeroTo60Tube definitely be interesting! Is everyone booked for Rolls next Saturday? Tune same as before but battling a weird boost leak or something.... very slow to hit target psi got some solenoids on the way so see if that helps.
Ohhh that’s strange, so you’re having unexpected problems with an N54……. huh…. 😂
@@ZeroTo60Tube correct yay hahahaha
@@timwright3394 need some nos 👍
Keeps us updated on the reliability of these please. I'd like to know if they last longer than 2000 miles.
I just bought some Chyna version three is that I’m throwing on my car right now.
Good stuff. Always wanted to see some side by side comparison. Torn between VTT GC and China 17t at the moment, just want something that'll last a long time and so far the China turbos look to be the best.
Vargas turbos are China turbos. Just rebranded.
Yup, what he said. Vargas and DAW are just China Turbos with better quality control and looked over. Actually that applies to most other products in life from shoes to electronics, etc. Its not the China uses inferior quality, its the fact they don't thoroughly check the specifications. So for a DAW maybe 1 in every 20 Turbos will fail, but with one purchased right from China maybe 1 out of every 8 turbos will fail becuase they weren't checked properly.
If you want better housings you need to look into td04 twins ... but that means no more cheap china turbos i think :/
How is the viv 17t turbos I need to replace my turbos would you guys recommend these turbos?
How long do these last? How has it been for the past 2yrs? Thinking about getting a set.
Why did you go with the 11 blade over the 6+6?
It's been 2yrs. How are these holding up?
Great info. I have the 11 blade that’s I still haven’t installed. I got the internal upgrade from turbo lab but I didn’t get the wastegate fix because I can’t find anyone locally who’s capable of replacing it.
I’d run them! Don’t sweat it. Enjoy them.
Love you guys content!!!!!
I see an issue later on down the road. They are bigger, but run the same housings, that causes massive back pressure and egt’s .
You may be on to something. Who likes straight con rods anyway..... :P
Nice! Would be great to see some logs and maybe dyno comparison between the 17t and 19t turbos 😎
Dragy comparison 😜
@@ZeroTo60Tube draggy is even better real world comparison 👍
@@Saif0412 yes!!!!
Pure HF need to have a look about them
Actually waiting for my brand new RB Gamechangers in the next week. Will be curious to get some measurements to compare as well. Good luck with the 19T, they look beastly!
Game changers are exactly that! Using new castings and should be way bigger than all these. Congrats
And how is the durability of these turbos?
Please do a full review on viv 19T v4
I'd love to, but i wont seeing any in the near future
Great content as per. Sometimes makes me wish I had an N54 car instead of my N55 😉
(only sometimes though).
I know right. Having such a reliable engine is a bit boring.....😂
Steve L, my N55 is doing 60 to 120 in 2.89, they not that bad
@@17t135i I agree. Hence my "only sometimes though" comment 😉
@@cameronrussell9362 sounds like it's maybe 25% more reliable than n54 idk about "such a"
I upgraded my Ford G6Et turbo from the stock 6+6 cast wheel to a 11 blade billet and much prefer the 11 blade billet wheel. Better spool and drivability in my case.
That’s the theory with the 11 blades. I think the China N54 11 blades had so many failures due to improper balancing tolerances. The slightly heavier 11 blade wheel ended being just out of tolerance. The N54 twins have some of the highest rpms turbos on any petrol engine and I guess that’s when lazy balancing will come in to play and I have no doubt the China ones are not being balanced to 220,000rpm.
Biggest problem is the thrust bearing. At higher boost levels, the surface area of the thrust bearing is too small to support the load. That is exactly the issue the guys at turbolab address. A good balancing job never hurts though ;-)
In regards to balancing, with the turbo barra's, the ball bearing turbos spin for around 30 seconds after shut down. With the original cast 6+6 compressor wheel it was a really rough and a rattly spin down. I then changed to the Billet 11 blade compressor wheel with no balance, no nothing except a direct swap. The spin down went quiet and smooth as. I think it says alot about billet vs cast compressor wheels. I got the billet wheel direct from KTS turbo billet in Malaysia and do recommend it as an upgrade for those that like to tinker.PS you do need a proper torque wrench and puller to do this swap properly.
I’m telling you ignore all the bickering online about Vargas. I bought a set of the VTT F-RB and they are complete monsters.12k on them so far!
And how many revisions did it take for reliability to be a factor in buying VTT?
I hear the v4s are out now is that true 🤔
Man as a n54 owner with horrendous wastegate rattle on my car I really want to go single to totally eliminate the issue, but the 19t will make the power I want with my car easily. Maybe even on pg(550whp), but I'd hate to get stuck with problems again. 😕
Do they make 550 whp on PG?
@@DLaVey I actually went diy single, pulsar gtx3582r gen 2, and I'm at about the max pump can handle around 500whp
Scott seems cheekily confident......
Scott is always flying under the radar
@Cocko I was, but have been reminded that not all gains are as easy to get as you'd think, especially 0-100kph and 60-120kph times! I'm hoping bigger rubber will be the key 🤞🙂
@@motodigitalvideo too true. Can't just plant your foot when you play with double the HP the chassis was designed for hey. Even the 17t's need pedalling sometimes in 3rd gear. I was thinking of going the 19t's, might see how these go for you first 😉
Whats up just have a question , Would the Viv v3 v4 19ts turbos be good and more reliable running the mhd stage 2 + 18psi planning on staying that way for a while . Thanks In advance !
My china 17ts have been good. However 2 close friends have bought from VIV since and not had such a good run. 2 failed sets and one turbo sirening with in 12 months. V4's over V3's but i cant recommend them with any confidence at the moment.
19T are great turbos for the money. Just make sure you balance them when you first get them
Any reputable manufacturer would have the turbos properly balanced when you buy them. But these being China turbos, the standards are typically low.
The best RB turbos are the game finisher high flow’s. Best on the market!! That’s the one you should’ve got instead of the DAW Flomax. Sean basically copies everything Rob Beck does!!
Great Info. What do you think. For a daily N54 535xi (some basic mods - inlets, downpipes, intercooler, charge pipe, MHD stage 2) what turbos to buy: the VIV 17t or the VIV 19t's V3? Not going to push, just would like to be more reliable :)
For a daily, I would get standard “ stage 2” hybrid turbos, 15T compressor wheel. That’ll give you stock-like spool and a nice power bump. But you’ll need a custom tune, MHD OTS maps won’t work properly.
I’d just get stock mistu or RB billet OEM if you’re looking for reliable.
Personally what ever you can get a better deal on. The lag on the 17t and 19t isn’t really noticeable if you know how to drive a turbo car. So if you ain’t pushing for big numbers just try and save some coin.
@@ZeroTo60Tube You’re really that confident in the VIV? I’ve not ever heard great things about them in terms of reliability. I daily my N54, you really think they’re good enough? May be coming up on a replacement here soon, been getting the lovely random puffs of smoke.
@@dave6933 Honestly, I know some dudes and have a couple buddies that are all running 17T. After personally being in one that had 530whp, thats where I am going next.
I am at 414whp 446 wheel torque on stock twins on a custom E60 blend but got wastegate rattle like crazy and found oil in the left tailpipe only(no crossover pipe) of the car. I know 120% my front turbo gonna be done soon.
the wuhan war whistles are gonna make a killer setup :-)
That’s the plan.
Im trying to buy turbos currently i was gonna go Rb but hes currently having a surge he said and its gonna be a while for me to be able to make a order my question is are ViV turbos good for 400whp ? Are they better then stockers when it comes to wastegates and shaftplay? ..
Are Vargas stage 1s good for 400whp ?
Any reply appreciated.
VIV would be perfect if there good for 400 whp
VIV over stock for sure and 400whp is easy. My China’s rolled 600whp. However if you wanna make big power down the track I think flow max are tho go to.
@@ZeroTo60Tube ok thanks bro. I jus ordered VIV TD04-17 billet 6+6 wheel.
@@DRYMlTE hello, Would you please inform how are the turbos holding out?
@@DRYMlTE update?
Sooooo since my factory turbos are going out . Would a set of 17t 6+6 be a good factory replacement?
Totally depends on budget and power goal. The 17t are great value, but will you find yourself wanting more 12 months down the track......
@@ZeroTo60Tube well im currently saving for a speedtech single kit 👌🏽
Can ask that how this turbo are working people are complaining here in usa this 19t v3 are failing with a week or 2 months . Please ask and make a video with him...
Finally.
Did the 19ts come balanced from VIV?
All china turbos are balanced. The question no one can answer is how well are they balanced. Are they being balanced to 25000rpms or the 200000rpms that they will hit at 28psi. The chinese manufacturers know how to make a turbo, the thing that is iffy with the N54 turbos is they are one of the heights spinning turbos on the market. These will spin a lot faster than a single turbo.
I daily my 335. What boost levels would the Viv turbos last at?
The vivs are running at 25psi right now.
@@ZeroTo60Tube is there an update?
Im keeping mine secret 👍
Can't wait to see it! How long do we have to wait?
@@motodigitalvideo ordered all the new goodies.. Hopefully have it dialled for the next euro day There is just not enough days in the week..
How's Scott's turbo upgrade going?
Having dramas getting 1st and 2nd to be useful. The hybrids are wild when you first have them.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I started a Facebook group really appreciate if you can join sent you a messenger message 🙏
I bought the Same turbos and I installed them in shop professionally, after 800 miles on 17psi they blow up and started to smoke very bad and leak oil , I had MHD 1+ tune and down pipes I did every single maintenance but still they mange to fail as well the seller dose not replay to the emails
Sorry to hear man. Have you had them off the car yet to see how bad they have let go?
Something went wrong on install. These turbos are not that bad. I think it’s bad to run Off the Shelf MHD maps on upgraded turbos btw. They are meant for stock twins.
@@Xtremecarfan10188 agreed
Were they the VIV V3 revision?
How realible are the 19ts out the box?
If you run them at normal boost say 18psi I think should be reliable-ish. However it does appear to be luck of the draw
Have you guys taken the 19Ts v3 apart to verify if they actually upgraded the seal, spacer and collar. There’s a new video on YT that shows the 19Ts V2 we’re no different than the V1. This leaves me to question if they actually made any changes to the V3 or if they just threw the “v3” to attract buyers
Unfortunately we have not. And you could be on to something
@@ZeroTo60Tube I don't believe I've seen any v3 failures yet, however they are still fairly new to the scene. Just wanted to bring it to your attention, might not be a bad idea to check. Just search BMW N54 19t rebuild and watch the video by Xreedd, it has some pretty good info.
I am part of a 19T group on Facebook. The only adjusted something with the wastegate. Everything else is same as V2.
Correction, apparently they did upgrade some components.
I don't think a stock HPFP will be able to keep up with those CFMs from those turbos, even with meth, maybe at E30, not E50+. Will need Spool Helix or PI, otherwise HPFP will crash to 1,000 psi and the DME will pull timing to save AFRs. Will be fun!
Scott is gonna try his luck at first anyway.
@@ZeroTo60Tube of course!! just be careful and mad mug those fuel pressures and trims. Good luck gentlemen!!!!
With meth you don't actually need any e85 at all. I personally run (so do several of my clients) a stage 2 lpfp, 93 fuel, and dual nozzle cp injection, 750 whp no problem (on an auto car) at 28 psi. With that said, 28psi is all she wrote with 750cc meth, i was able to run 31 with 1200cc but it gets rediculously insatiable for meth, so might as well get pi at that point. But for the power level available from the 19Ts,his fuel system has it covered. PI would be needed if he's actually wanting to run e85 anyway, to which i would say why not! The more high octane we have in there the better.
@@igotaction we had to drop to E20 and could only support 25psi on the single 375ml/sec nozzle. The v2 nozzles from Snow have been on backorder for 2.months, but I managed to get some parts on the way to get to 630 on one and 855 across two nozzles in time for rolls on Saturday. 😁🤞
How long did the RBs last?
Unknown. But the rear one never worked properly.
I would imagine a while. Those are RB classics and haven't been made in 5+ years.
How are these viv v3 turbos holding up?
Not well. However it was due to the viv inlets
@@ZeroTo60Tube oh no what happened to the Inlets?
@@ZeroTo60Tube did they blow a hole in them or something?
@@n54andrew the viv inlets were not re-inforced and under certain load were collapsing causing a massive restriction in the inlet. In turn working the turbos too hard and it melted.
and my bov sounds like yzseesssshhh @0.36+
60-120kmph or mph? I was guessing mph but 3.5 is wicked fast
KMH, we use it as a benchmark to judge how fast a car would be at ovetaking.
@@ZeroTo60Tube nice! I did 60-160kmh in aprox 3.5, I am single turbo tho. Not finished on the tunr from JSR
I cant deal with the "Stage" shit. Unless someone makes a unified system of what stages are it means nothing. Its like saying Stage Pineapple. I built my car with a Stage Pineapple Fuel pump. Just say 350LPH or something.. No wonder the JDM guys think that euro guys are just carpark queens :P
Please stop saying "China turbos" because everything is made in China and most things are actually good quality. "Ebay turbo" is more suitable.
But the ones in question are made in China. They are China turbos that you buy from China. Vtt, daw, pure and rb turbos you don’t buy from China.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I don't understand why they refer VTT as Chinese turbos.
@@thisguyshorty3554 I think its becuase the housings are cast in china. Not sure how much work is done by VTT in the states on each turbo or if they are completely assembled in china
They aren't actually made in China ?
I beliefs the Pure 600’s are also 100% Chinese
I freaking hate when people say "Stage #” tune. It means absolutely nothing. Stage one can mean literally anything. Down pipes and intercooler or turbos and cam. If you are going to rattle off a list then just do that, don't pretend this is a video game and say Stage whatever tune.
Sorry, rant over.
Reading between the lines....you want to go single.
You read well haha. Nah nah we do want twins on the Vargas car.
@@ZeroTo60Tube we can revisit this when you guys announce the single turbo kit 😂
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