Was Doctor Who In 2023 A Success?
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2024
- Doctor Who celebrated its 60th anniversary in 2023, involving the return of David Tennant and Catherine Tate as the Doctor and Donna Noble, as well as Heartstopper's Yasmin Finney as Rose Noble! The specials also saw the return of the Toymaker, and the Meep! 2023 also saw the introduction of Ncuti Gatwa as the 15th Doctor. But was it all a success?
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The first reboot episode was a bit hit and miss, but Wild Blue Yonder and the Toymaker episodes were just amazing. God it felt good to have Doctor Who back, even just for 3 episodes.
I really enjoy Ncuti's new Doctor. Wish there was more content between now and May, as its a long time to wait for his season after Xmas.
I found that power of the doctor workee better as an anniversary since it had a lot of stuff from classic who and it was pretty big
I’m surprised the Children in Need special wasn’t mentioned. A bit more of televised material
LET ME LIVE IN DELUSION ABOUT MRS FLOOD 😭 PLEASE
Great vid
Pls what music do you use starting at 0:23
I’m personally really excited for ncuti doctor. He fits “the doctor” so well in my eyes and I am hoping he gets good writing when the season is actually out
I get so pissed off that a huge portion of the hate is simply because of a non-binary character and a black doctor.
Don't get me wrong - I hated how they used Rose's character being non-binary. Doctor who has a history of silly, but I just didn't... ehhh. Fantastic actress tho! I also really hate the stupid idea to make Isaac Newton Asian. He is a real historical figure, that existed in the upper-class of racist English society (not saying HE was himself, but him being Asian where he was would have been a huge determent). It was just unnecessary and brought stupid hate for no reason.
But holy fuck Ncuti is killing it and Rose did great. Wild Blue Yonder was such a good episode, genuinely enjoyed it. And NPH as the Toymaker? Fantastic!!
Starting to think a lot of the "fans" don't actually know fuck all, or like Doctor Who.
I don't think Issac Newton being Asian was that big of a deal considering he was only in the episode for 57 seconds
@@sirvictorgreenblade9469 It was for some. But that's exactly what annoyed me - it was just a stupid thing for no benefit. It was a minute cameo at best lmao. Either way - that episode really made me smile
@@sirvictorgreenblade9469 You say that but if they made Martin Luther King Jr. white for even 30 seconds people would go nuclear. It's simply unnecessary, idiotic, and absolutely hypocritical disrespect that never should've gotten a pass.
@CodysCarConundrum me personally a white Dr King would be hilarious. But to be fair. Dr King fought for civil rights for himself and for other members of his race. Being black was essential to Dr Kings legacy. Now I'm not to well versed in Issac Newtonology but I'm pretty sure his race doesn't have anything major to do with him. But too be fair to your point I agree that they should've casted a white man for that role but the fact that he only showed himself for a minute total of the episode it shouldn't be enough to ruin the whole show like some people claimed it has.
@@sirvictorgreenblade9469 Hilarious as a skit yeah (or a bit of world-building to show timeline/history differences or something), but otherwise it's just blatant hypocrisy.
Whether race is or isn't essential to one's legacy is no argument for why it's OK to race swap in one direction and not the other, **especially** when talking about historical figures. Nothing about Speed Racer has anything to do with the fact he's Asian, yet people were still mad they white-washed him in the 2008 live-action movie (not saying he's a historical figure, just an example of his race having nothing to do with him broadly). If they made a Muhammad Ali movie that focused just on his skill as a boxer and his accomplishments in that space, but also made him white, people would go ballistic.
"but the fact that he only showed himself for a minute total of the episode it shouldn't be enough to ruin the whole show like some people claimed it has." - but if they did this to a black historical figure the same but opposite people would be making this same claim. Yet in that circumstance it would be seen as valid, which is an absurd double standard.
That theme of insane hypocrisy is what I think people care about most, less so that it's Sir Isaac Newton specifically (though that absolutely doesn't help).
After watching for 41 years and even getting a Doctor Who Tattoo, i can categorically say that Doctor Who was a television program that ran from Saturday 23/11/1963 to Saturday 15/7/2017!
A reboot of sorts was attempted but due to falling viewing figures, it was decided to restart the original series!
But it didn't work!
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i mean the critics disagree so you can state random dates all you like, all it means is that you're being left behind and not that it's suddenly bad now 😂
@@fgjsdfgjkl Viewing figures don't lie!
Ncuti's introduction episode was less than Jodie's!
It would be OK if he even had the "Doctor" vibe (like Paterson Joseph or David Harewood), John Hurt had more of it than Ncuti Gatwa ever will!
(Eccleston and Whittaker didn't have it either! Jo Martin had more of it than Jodie Whittaker ever did!)
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@@brendannahor1460 viewing figures don't include streaming figures lmao, you're misrepresenting statistics to try to bend reality to your preconceived notions but that's not how the world works. good luck convincing yourself though
@@fgjsdfgjkl 🤣🤣🤣
@@fgjsdfgjklWhat do critics have to do with anything? They like episode 8.
Any episode of Who that can get me smiling ear to ear at some point in the episode is a big win for me.
-The Doctor running around the TARDIS.
-Bernard Cribbins
-Niel Patrick Harris
After three series of poor characterisation from a writer who really didn't seem to have a solid grasp on what he wanted to do with it. I liked the ideas Chibnall had, and that he tried to do, I don't hate Flux or the Timeless Child as concepts, I just wish he really fleshed out them out a lot more than they were.
Edit: Wow I really lost my train of thought. What I was trying to say is it's nice to have characters where I'm not wondering why exactly they're there
Bro, this is just a dwfan91 video😭
1:38 never even heard of it
Nice video!
Thanks dude! I really like your videos so that means a lot :D
6:28 I thought she was jackie tyler
To me being an American fan of the show since I first saw Amy’s choice after BBC America got the show with Matt smith I feel internationally the anniversary was a failure cause we not no unleashed outside of a few clips on CZcams we got no whoiverse no tales of the tardis basically we got the 4 specials and that’s it cause we didn’t even get the commentary versions I would agree that power of the doctor is a better anniversary special cause it got a longer runtime the master’s plot is the same plot the master had in the 1996 movie we got doctor cameos at the edge ace an tegan got to talk with their doctor the 60th specials do feel like a celebration of season 4
Theta Sigma Who omg idk why that made me laugh so hard xD
I don't even know why I know about the Doctors academy name cause I don't consume wider media - or well I didn't used to. oh well.
I loved the specials over all.
Christmas was meh imo but that's just cause it's a christmas episode. I am just generally not that big of a fan of them - but that's ok. I am hyped to see more of 15 :)
Also can't wait for the spin off where every character is played by David Tennant in different wigs! xD
Yes. Next.
WOW you are rude
I have never watched before should I start from season one the go on?
Yeah, it's absolutely worth watching! I'd recommend starting with the 2005 reboot and working your way through that first!
No! Start with 1963's series 1 featuring the 1st Doctor!
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@@brendannahor1460Unfortunately people are waaay to stupid nowadays, they see the 1963 series and the 2005 series and automatically think 'the 2005 one looks better'
@@mandyward5372 You don't look old enough to have watched the ORIGINAL series?
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@@brendannahor1460 My favourite story the 1978 serial the Armageddon Factor.
Do them have flaws yes but I have watched them over and over again
"Who cares, just accept it." Said no one who genuinely cares about art. Not a single person who does. Because to genuinely care, you must question it, you must think.
Calling it art is quite an illusion of grandeur.
You can enjoy things without, or even despite, analysis. Different media require different lenses of analysis, and the mode you're alluding to is not fit for dissection of sci-fi or fantasy.
I'm fundamentally suspicious of the statement "to care (for art) [...] you must think." I do not see the correlation, unless you're applying some really dusty classical poetica, and I think that's also way too broad and way too convenient a statement to be true. You can care by feeling, which is a pretty massive movement within art, both now and through history, for one.
If you take issue with the suggestions that: "the fact that Donna lived (despite us being told she wouldn't) is minor", then you need to argue for that in a better way than "to care is to think". You might feel that that plot point is indeed quite important to the overall narrative and insufficiently explained, which is fine up until there, but if you wanted me to believe the same, you would have to argue for it.
@@deckie_ Bruh, TV shows are just as much art as movies or videogames. Which are just as much art as theatre plays. Which are just as much art as books. It's people like you who care so little they just accept everything they are served.
@@quantumvideoscz2052 *some* are. Some have no pretention nor intention of being art. Entertainment is allowed to be its own thing.
I made a lengthy rebuttal. For you to reduce it "I accept anything I am served" is weak. You don't know me, don't pretend that you do. I don't think the explanations given in the show are poor or lacking. If you think they are, you need to argue for that.
@@deckie_Well, to be fair you seemed to have much more of an issue with them classing TV shows as a form of art. You never actually addressed their point that (yes even with entertainment for them) things that you actually care about need to be criticised and should be held to some kind of a standard. Then you get extremely defensive with all the ‘you know nothing about me’ as if it were personal. Maybe take a leaf out of the show’s book and just ‘let it go’…
@@Sukkulents_ you're exaggerating.
I was going to write "I didn't address that because that's not what they wrote." but I did actually address that, explicitly, in the first comment, despite the fact that they didn't write "things you care about need to be held to a specific standard." They apply a specific lense that is not appropriate. To pivot the conversation to art in general only serves to obfuscate the fact that we are taking about Doctor Who. Nobody said "you should not think about art", someone said "you should not mind that Donna survives." When the guy in the video says "who cares?", it is said in a very specific context and to pretend it is some broad statement about all art in general is ludicrous.
Different texts are written with different purposes. I imagine that in middle school you might have been taught in about the possible goals of a text: educating, entertaining, informing, convincing (and others). It is wise to keep the purpose in mind when you discuss a document (in the broad sense). It is erroneous to apply the standard of a document with a different purpose.
Entertainment should indeed be held to some sort of standard, and that standard is not all encompassing.
You would ridicule me if I said "it is bad because it is not authentic to the author." or "it is bad because it does not align with the work of the old masters" or if I said "it is bad because the author isn't expressing his emotions in his work" or if I said "it is bad because it doesn't thoroughly disrupt the audience experience."
All of those are valid lenses of art. They have all been applied to art in history and still find use today. They are clearly not relevant in this conversation though. We are talking about Doctor Who.
(And mind you, there are numerous examples of art with the explicit purpose of *not* being internally consistent, by design. Anything from Bertolt Brecht in Germany in the 50's to Sybren Polet in the Netherlands in the 60's to 70's. But that lense *also* doesn't apply here. This is Doctor Who: the primary goal is to entertain.)
But you are right: I do think "(people like) you just accept everything they are served" is an unnecessarily personal attack. I don't think it serves any other purpose.
6:19 that was the only entertaining part of that special it was so boring
RIP DR WHO
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Yeah; the companion from the most hated classic series and one member of Unit (not even a return for Osgood) is still just a celebration of the RTD era. Beep the Meep? Atleast it's not Frobisher I guess. But certainly if you were a fan of the Moffat era or classic (I was a fan of both!) you left feeling very underwhelmed.
And if you were as into the show as some (again me, sorry), the Toy Maker was disappointing - Big Finish did an amazing job with him, his speech about games in Solitaire is unforgettable, and the Toymaker here really didn't contrast very well.
Not excited for Ncuti, he's just too cool for school - came off as smarmy. Atleast when 12 and 6 were arrogant you felt like you were supposed to be judging them (especially when Clara brought out the cards).
Thank god I've met someone who shares my feelings about Ncuti. I feel like he NEEDS to change his personality up a little bit because he doesn't feel like the Doctor. I haven't had a Doctor moment with him yet, and they've been trying to hammer that down as well, you can tell.
Edit: It's too early to tell, though... So I don't dislike or like him. He just doesn't feel like the Doctor for me yet.
@@zombiedalekweck2243 yeah that's exactly it. I can see why people say he's charismatic - but charismatic isn't a trait I associate with the Doctor.
When Capaldi overshot the mark (although he still felt like the Doctor, just a little *too* distant) they were able to course correct for series 9 and from that point on zero complaints. I wish they hadn't filmed 2 series' back to back as I feel they could have course correct Ncuti with a few idiosyncrasies.
I mean, if they can do Beep the Meep, I'm looking forward to Frobisher appearing on screen. I enjoyed him in the comic strips back in the day. I hadn't heard of the Meep.
@@paulhammond6978 the only good thing to be said of that penguin is that he was confined to spin off media.
I agree I enjoyed them
Just didn’t do it for me unfortunately. Not going to bother with it any longer
no better than chibnall
It would seem that doctor who has changed from being an interesting children’s scifi fantasy programme to a social issues promotional film. I admire the fans being loyal to it and finding enjoyment in the ever more complicated back story of the doctor, master, galifrey scenario but, the agenda priority is killing it for the traditional fans. From reading a lot of revues, it would seem that as the social message got stronger, the charachter of the doctor and the plots got weaker. Older fans lost the intrigue of the story and the wisdom, strength and confidence of the doctor changed to incomprehensible babble and craziness ..thinking of Matt smith, capaldi and Whittaker. Defiantly not the way I would want the doctor to be. As for the recent episodes, I think the whole show has been hijacked to push many social issues and brainwash young people to think we live in a world divided. It insults peoples intelligence and tries to lecture them. The acting is terrible and the stories poor. This is why the audience figures are so low. Sad time as people have lost something they grew up with and new viewers seem to think it’s ok because the social propaganda is everywhere now.
1:38 fair point. It was cringey and didnt need to happen