Why The Toymaker Was A Perfect Villain
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- čas přidán 30. 01. 2024
- In Doctor Who's 60th anniversary, the Toymaker returned as the final villain for the 14th Doctor (David Tennant) to face. The episode itself was great, but I personally found the Toymaker to easily be the best aspect of the episode, and so I decided to sorta explain why. And you can watch it if you want.
- Krátké a kreslené filmy
I immediately assumed he'd adopted a German accent because during that era German toys were of excellent quality and he was pretending to be a shopkeeper.
I think it can be both.
It’s cool how the accent is clearly an act and he even breaks character every now and then losing the accent.
Disney's Pinocchio comes to mind thinking about how he loves his marionette puppets and the original story being big during the "Howdie Doody" time period too
I respectfully disagree. The Toymaker has managed to beat people like the Master and "God" in games because they tried to be too clever. The Doctor is fresh off of Wild Blue Yonder and has learnt to "not think". Overthinking is what gets you beaten by the Toymaker. Games like cutting cards and catch are simple. There's no strategy, no mind-games, just play. That's what makes it the perfect choice to defeat someone who is practiced at every game and every strategy. Bring the game down to it's most basic level.
Came here to say this. The card cutting game gave the doctor a 50/50 chance to end it right there and then with no further issues, and his strategy/mindgame was having the fall back of a best of three. The ball game is a simple physical game that he knew the toymaker would be bound to abide by the laws of physics to play, and he had a distinct advantage of it being 2 v 1 (with the doctor already having been shown to be incredibly good at catch/throw with things like the satsuma in ten's first episode and the ball scene in human nature).
It still feels slightly anti-climactic, especially since we're used to the doc outsmarting foes, but that's cuz we aren't really shown that he is outsmarting the toymaker precisely by not relying on being smart. Its the exact same trick as the episode before, even. Maybe the writing could've lampshaded it more, to make it feel less underwhelming on first view, but in retrospect it makes a lot of sense
@@js739The big problem here is asking why the Toymaker is satisfied with playing catch and cutting cards, to point of being so deliriously happy that he seemingly loses his reasoning. If I was a villain who had orchestrated a meeting by implanting a meme into the subconscious of an entire race using radio techonology in a plot that spanned over a century, I would be supremely pissed off at playing catch as the pinnacle of revenge against the most unique adversary in the universe. It's like creating the best restaurant in the world and then feeding your most important guests only microwave meals from the supermarket.
@@leonais1Actually this is spot on. The toy maker protesting a bit would've given the sense that the Doctor is doing something clever; you could keep the same games and have a much stronger impact, plus we all know NPH does a great line in complaining.
@@leonais1 Maybe he thinks the fact that humanity's fate is relying on such simple games as something humorous????
This is preposterous. Your odds of winning a game don't spike dramatically by not thinking, and as a matter of fact if you do this your odds of winning plummet because you didn't try to outsmart your opponent. Strategically minded people don't have a Pokémon-style weakness to people who are not utilizing strategy; that only serves to give them an advantage.
He needed a two parter, BADLY.
I saw an interesting theory that 'Jack in the Box' is the face of Boe - Jack Harkness confined to his case in his last years of life.
When he said he fought with "god" I assumed he meant it metaphorically. Like how the Children Of Blood say the Doctor "fought with gods and demons". Like he's either saying he toyed with the universe (god) or he played a creature that was so powerful it was like a god
The more i think about it, the more i think the card cutting and ball catching were genius ideas. Extremely simple. No CGI battle necessary. Anyone could lose.
But i didn't like it at first.
It reminds me of Jotaro endlessly bluffing when fighting D'Arby. Everyone else tried to beat him by playing the game, while Jotaro never even looked at his cards.
Challenging the toymaker to some elaborate mental game is something the master would do, and that's why he lost. You can't beat game theory incarnate with game theory and strategy.
I loved this version of the toymaker, one thing that really did bother me is the idea of him having legions - like he's got an army or something. Idk it feels quite out of character for him and I wish it was teased another way
What toy shop is complete without an army of toy soldiers?
I think you’re looking into a non-canon interview a little too much.
@@providence160
He literally says "My legions are coming" in the episode.
Why do i get the feeling that trickster is going to be tied into rubys mum, and somehow he has alterd the future for ruby, something which i think will be explored in the season 1 finale, i just get that feeling...
if the Giggle was a two part finally i think everything would've solved itself
One of the best Doctor Who commentaries I’ve ever seen. Please don’t stop 😭
Celestial I think was used as in he was universal... so it was to reference how powerful he was....
Valeyard incoming. I know he (Russell Davies) said previously he wanted to bring him back (and introduce the reason for his existence).
Excellent to see you mention Sutekh at the start of this as a villain that makes the Doctor unsure they can survive them.
I’d like to think the Toymakers racism is him playing with someone. Pushing their buttons like they’re a toy
Turning the giggle into a two parter would have made it so much better. They set it up so well and the ending was just disappointing.
For me one of the biggest problems with the anniversary specials was the run time of the specials cause at least the Star beast and the giggle felt a bit rushed in places still great specials but could have not so rushed feeling if they had more time cause it feels l8e we didn’t get a real sense of this version of the toymaker’s realm cause we had to rush through it to get the doctor back to present day to bi-generate him that probably why we were just got a game of card cutting as he second game it was quick and we could get him back to the present faster it was cool how they let him do his magician style card shuffling when shuffling the cards
Yeah, I especially feel The Giggle was rushed... The Starbeast being based on a Comic, not so much as that was already given away... But The Giggle was new and had so much potential!
Wow I just discovered your channel, and you make such great videos! You definitely deserve more subscribers your now one of my favorite DW channels
As long as we get The Trickster back I'll be happy.
Great video man
I don’t know exactly what it was but it also had the look of early new who. I realy felt seasons 11 to 2023 specials had more of a cinematic look. I know it’s strange but each show runner seemed to have their look, if I took a random frame without any main characters you could probably identify what erea it came from, and I preferred season 1 to 4.
NPH was great, but RTD's version of the Toymaker was basically just RTD's version of the Master with even wackier powers.
I was expecting a giant toymaker to catch the ball or something
i think what annoyed me about this episode is the way the puppet scene started. when the chairs drag the doctor and donna to the stage, theyre emotionless and not showing anything. throughout the puppet scene, we needed donna's reaction to all of it, yet we were barely shown it even going into the card cutting. i feel like donna was rlly sidelined in this episode.
With RTD saying the pantheons will be arriving, I really hope we get the trickster, who is a pantheon of discord
i wouldve had him on a game of smash bros
And of course he's great because he can be defeated by dropping a ball. No need for any cleverness on the Doctor's part, no need for any intricate plotting or well constructed strategy, just dropping a ball.
I feel, with regard to your criticism about The Toymaker, it can be attributed to his fatal flaw: He *lives* for the game.
He has no grand design or philosophy. At his core: The Toymaker is a child, one who wants nothing more than to “have fun”.
Now, I feel this is all self imposed. When The Toymaker wins the card game, 14 reminds him about the “Universal” rule: Best 2 out of 3. Which The Toymaker accepts as fact.
I believe this is where his greatest weakness lies: because he’s focused on “the game”, he thinks there are rules that must be enforced.
I believe that The Toymaker, at any point, could have made his own rules. But the Doctor was smart enough to use The Toymaker’s own nature against him.
I mean. Can you blame him. Immortality is really boring and games are fun
I'm hoping for a return if the eternals, possibly with a reference to the White and Black guardians. I didn't quite understand how Flux worked, as shouldn't the key to time keep the universe in balance?
i still can't fathom why the writers chose catch. fking catch
Because its a game that the Doctor is good at. The Toymaker is smarter than the Doctor, any mind game like chess, he would win. A physical game is easier because they'd have an equal footing. It's the same reason why the Doctor chose cutting cards as the second game- it's a game that relies on luck, not skill. They both had equal footing to win.
@@mrdr0161 You seriously want to see the Doctor not use his mind to win? Like, you actually think a ridiculous game like catch makes better tv? The impossibly intelligent cybermen were beaten at chess in a Doctorish way. So the intelligence doesn't matter. The writers just made a lazy, lame choice.
@@kobe323 how is it lazy when that's how the character is written? He can only be defeated by losing the game, that is how he has always been written.
@kobe323 Beaten at chess by cheating. He can't do that against the Toymaker.
Great vid Neil Patrick Harris was amazing
RTD mentioned Panthion, THE PANTHEON OF DISCORD IS COMING!
edit: The Pantheon has been CONFIRMED... my fan theory was correct
Good name for a band!
The part where the Toymaker is taunting the Doctor over his past companions was really well made. Tennant really makes it feel like he was the one who was there & been through all that.
No way did you call RTD “Davies the Russell”😂
My Hubby's Theory :The Doctor (DT split off ) will eventually become convinced he needs to stop himself, regenerating into the child who became The Master... And forgetting he ever was The Dr
The Master will eventually realize how futile his feud with The Dr is and how much of everything he's missed out on and some regeneration becomes The Toymaker... a " timeless" child Playing games for the fun of it
Unfortunately I doubt that's gonna happen, but damn that's a cool theory!
@@Cosmic_Nite don't think so either..... It's My Husband's head cannon 😂 but I think it's very intriguing and hoped others would too 😅 thanks for making me realize I should have credited him in the original comment 😅
5:36 jack to face of boe.
I was always surprised Who was never sued by DC for coyright as “ toymakker”
Agreed, 60 minutes was no where near enough!
Wait, what? Celestial means Godly or otherwordly, no? It means Chinese?
edited to add: The Doctor even says "We can be... Celestial" to the Toymaker 40 minutes into the episode.
Yeah, the latter used to be a common definition of "celestial", and likely still was when the Toymaker first appeared in the show. That's why I think him being called the Celestial Toymaker was meant as a pun. It was being used to mean "from the stars" and also the derogatory meaning due to the Toymaker's costume
@@Cosmic_Nite Ahh okay, interesting.
The Toymaker wasn't in any of the specials.NPH is a completely different and pathetic actor as well. But slightly better than Bonnie Langford of course.
If they were going to bring the Toymaker back they could have at least stuck to the rules of the games and got a decent actor to play him instead of cramming a talentless Disney bangle buster into the mix.The whole franchise should be taken over by people who give a shit about the lore and writing good stories that aren't full of virtue signalling and all other manner of garbage that they think we can't work out for ourselves. Count me out of 2005 mark 2. I just don't get how RTD just doesn't get Dr.Who and he should stick to his shit stabbing soap operas because that is all he's good for. I don't care what excuse he says about giving the job Ncuti Gatwa but it's nothing but infatuation, like he once had for John Barrowman years back and this will be no different. Modern Dr.Who didn't get watchable until he had left. Well I'm not watching his crap anymore because it is just going to be 2005 on repeat.
"People who give a shit about the lore..."
I don't know where to start. Ok. The "lore" has been changing all the time, ever since William Hartnell changed into Patrick Broughton. You know why? Because they're making it up as they go along and times change and writers and producers and show runners change.
@user-eq9hp1hb2p Of course that doesn't mean it has to be for the worse
can confirm as a divided loyalties enjoyer i was praying for a blue haired puppet easter egg and have never been outside ever 🫡