WoWS is almost DEAD
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2023
- This was during an afternoon on EU server, random battles, top tier.
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wow, so ignoring every piece of negative feedback ever and just reassuring themselves they were making smart decisions WASN'T the call??? Who would have guessed?!
Logged on for the first time in ages yesterday, two 3 minute battles in which my team so dominated the enemy it was a joke. My Yama still performed but two or three citadels and then it was over. Boring af
this match is not the norm, you know that right? there are still roughly playing the same amount of people at any given time than 5 years ago.
who would've guessed communism doesn't work even with video games
If you squint hard enough, you can see he's playing a supercarrier. If you queue a long time in a supercarrier, it messes up the matchmaking.
@@ElmalabAh yes, almost no player growth in 5 years, a clear sign of a healthy game!
I remember spending hours and hours playing this game with friends... now its painful to even launch the game
So true, I used to really enjoy playing but now it's about once a week at most!!!
Might as well abandon ship at this point
It's really not that bad lol. Only late night EST hours is it a bit dead for t6 and lower, t7+ can still find games within a minute usually. And in the evening its fine all around
My friends and I played this game from the Beta all the way up to the CV rework and then dropped it. I sincerely hope a competent and sane developer eventually releases something that scratches the same itch.
@@tewbs Fine ? playing with boomer noobs all day is fine ? maybe for you i guess
I followed this game and this channel for years. It's nuts WoWs got to this point. If only Wargaming listened to Flambass' common sense. Flambino I'm happy you diversified your channel with other games seeing WoWs is dying. I enjoy many of your other playthroughs even though I originally came for WoWs. Keep up the lovely work. Cheers from Canada.
This is sad, but on a positive note I give a round of applause for that Georgia player, making the best of a bad job. Did amazingly well to not only last that long, but to get so close to winning. Planning on upgrading my PC in November to start sim racing, looks like I am doing it in the nick of time.
I'm so glad I quit 4 years ago. The moment they allowed CVs into Clan Battles, I was gone. They were my last refuge from the airborne menace.
Yep, after the CV rework all went to hell
@@craftysnail5912 exacly,i just want to right about that,in the past wg did films about history,and than they did cv rework,and same paper rusian cvs was added ,and stop talking about history🙂..now its SF game
I quit after they released a completely broken Belfast right before a T7 ranked season. Specifically when Flamu interviewed one of the devs about it and all he did was gaslight the strength of the ship and referred to the ranked season as "the most successful one to date". That was when I realized these people _really_ do not give a shit about their players and are completely unapologetic about pay to win cash grabs.
I still enjoy watching other people play, but from all I've seen my assessment was spot on.
old system cvs is completely better the new rework cv is stupid, but how about the broken subs? :)
Introducing Subs didn't help any either.
Played since the CBT and quit when subs were added. Real shame, WG can't take away the fun and good memories I already had with the game but still just sad to see what they did. RIP WoWS
Same. I took breaks periodically, and usually only came back when there was a historic tech tree (the German and British battlecruisers for example), but subs, on top of the carriers, and now a bunch of cruisers with auto-bombers, just no. There are other naval games, there are mods for those games, I can make do elsewhere.
Same. The carriers were already a hit on my interest, but it was still kind of alright until carriers and AA got reworked. Then subs came and it was over. WoWs is truly a masterclass in how to kill your own game.
Same
Yeah I had already kind of been drifting away when they "reworked" skill trees to blatantly add a fuck ton more grind and nerf free commander xp generation, but they were the nail. They just never should have been added they were just as impossible to make fun for EITHER side as everyone said. Say what you want about CV, but least if you got near it every class could just shot it.
Then we got dogshit like T11 and that just further convinced me I'd made the right call, my wallet thanked me at least
As a DD player, when they first let carrier players manually control their drops hurt
Ironically it is ships such as the carrier in this game that are killing WOWS. "Who would want to be this guy" he says as unlimited waves of planes bully the guy into oblivion.
I found that quite ironic as well
I don't think its ironic, he was more saying it to prove his point. Who would want to be that guy?
Not about the ships. It's all about a company who doesn't want to hear any negative feedback from its own customers.
CV's have been in the game since day one. They aren't the problem.
@@moosehead9706 Submarines really are :))
Played the game since CBT… rest now sweet prince
Sad times
sadge
CBT 😳
salty prince most of the time
@@hamakaze9812 haha you are full of filth^^ playing the game just might feel like CBT though...
Funny thing is I saw plenty of people in the EU server in co-op during that time. I wonder if people are just fed up with randoms and went "nah, let's just do co-op, screw randoms."
Anniversary points.
It's just so much faster to farm them in coop.
@@treeherder42 That's true, but I also rarely see the co-op matches full of bots on the player side.
I Play for fun, coop is much More fun then randoms These days. So we dont play randoms…
@@moritzbettermann3341 I've always played mainly co-op. I'm not very good in randoms and even so I've been paired up in clueless teams so I gave up on randoms quickly. Co-op is enjoyable to me still.
easier and more reliable way to make youre tasks happening. The way there are setup is anoying and takes away even more from random battles than the game itself does
Cant they just have carriers and subs in a seperate battles, not like anyone will miss their presence
you're watching the supercarrier queue, its almost there :)
I recently quit WOWs, after 5 years of playing. 300 + ships, including 50 Tier 10s. I just could not stand it anymore. CVs and Subs in EVERY game. It´s just not fun anymore.
Same, just uninstalled it a month ago.... Been in the game since CBT and I was the 11th person in the EU to install the CBT game.
I left it as soon as they announced submarines
I quit the game a year ago, but have thousands of hours over the years I was active.
She's been mismanaged and molested by Wargaming for far too long. Let her rest now.
Painful as it may be, the memories of the times we had will have to suffice.
The sad part is I do not think we will get a successor to this game for a long time.
I mean, when you keep an SS in the queue for a long period (>= 120s) this is exactly what happens. That caveat aside, the result is usually a 5v5 or 4v4. So yeah, this doesn't look good, but leave us not pretend that the SS CV has not weighted the results.
supercvs have an even more limited queue than normal superships so thats probably why this happened. not to mention off peak hours as 1pm is not exactly "mid afternoon."
It shouldn't happen at all is the problem. It happens cause not enough people are playing super CVS. But we know WG wants a percentage of players playing them, and so we can expect either a buff or a new super cv very soon to try to fix MM
So sad to see this. I loved this game so much and bought so many premiums but the proliferation of radars, HE battleships, cv rework, subs, and paper 18" BB's have killed this game off due to the lack of balance
Sad fact: You wont get any balance ever again. Any attempt of releasing a balanced ship / line results in it being completely out of meta and noone playing it. Especially cruiser lines suffer.
It has spoiled the game in lots of ways, but I still hang in there. Subs aren't the end-all, but the carriers and the paper ships really do wear me out, too. I especially hate hybrid battleships and "Starships"!
@@xray86deltastarships?
They tried to make it World of Warplanes over the years. Now there's a lot of planes. And the playerbase is going to look similar, too...
Totally agree, only difference is I was aware of the direction this game was taking 3 years ago. The subs were the last straw.
You have to give them credit. They are an equal opportunity employer. Going so far as to include hiring people with an intellectual disability in management is highly regarded, especially with the doctors at the "institute".
Cheers
I quit WoWs close to 4 years ago, a few months after the release of the Smolensk (Which is a big reason why I stopped playing). And I have to say I am quite surprised that the game is actually still alive and has not yet been put down.
Casual viewer here, why did you quit after the Smolensk
everyone had one. at the time you could get a 19 k range with super accurate guns. combine with smoke, torps it's just not a fun ship to counter, it's an incredibly frustrating ship even in the hands of a potato.@@reviewthereviewer7034
@@reviewthereviewer7034 As far as I understand it... the Smolensk used to be completely busted when released. You could only really get it by throwing money at the screen, which made for the perfect combination: Only the people that were already stacked grabbed it (and that was quite a lot of people, mind you), which led to tons of Smolensks just sitting in every game and literring the sky with shells.
Any battleship that pushed more than 5km out of spawn would essentially die within minutes. Therefore, the game just became a camp festival at Tier 8-10, which are, unsurprisingly, the most interesting Tiers for most players.
And what did Wargaming do against it? That's right: nothing.
@@Kvomii the russian bias killd the game for me, and smolensk was the begining
@ Well now it's basically every nation (except Japan lol)
But yeah that and CVs were pretty much the end of balance.
It's weird that a company would cater to what amount to 20% of their costumer base at the expense of the other 80.
Sure initially it might not have been bad but as regular players leave the ones left shoulder the burden more and are driven off faster.
Worse is that new player when they show up are herded into the mid and high tiers and immediately subjected to this.
It's just insane because spreadsheets would show this trend but they keep pushing this insanity.
I also had a 2v2 randoms match once. Ome cruiser one sub. Spent most of the match capping and running around. Fun and engaging gameplay
Rest in piss, you were too good for your dev team. Art department were the homies though
I used to play this fairly often in the past, but eventually the negatives caught up and surpassed the positives. It's a shame, as there were some things like the special events I legit enjoyed.
what you said. I left after subs.
long ago, the only steady full teams have been in co-op. a note: couple days ago, a russian soldier in ukr was intercepted talking to his wife on cellphone commented the #1 played online game in rus was WOT. that may be where their money is going.
It was so sad to see the wot/wows numbers on russian server drop by like 30% immediately when they rounded up people to throw in the woodchipper for putin's insane vanity war.
This happens to me often over here on NA. just yesterday I had like 4 games like this. They weren't 2v2s but they were like 4v4 and 5v5
i agree ive tryed to give wows the best chance but after 5k battles i really cant deal with all the bs anymore
Who knew making balancing decisions and adding a ship class nobody wanted would backfire!
What balancing decisions?
Sorry if i missed a lot, haven't played WoWs in a good while.
what would be 5 things u change like immediately if u were in charge?
I am sad about that state of the game but I am incredibly happy that WEEGEE in their infinite wisdom are going to lose to their arrogance
I am seriously hoping WEEGEE sells this incredible game to some company that can make it fun
they will probably just treat it like world of warplane, mostly ignoring it and letting its 10-100 players stay on and just rely on WOT, since they seem to keep it fairly well balanced minus a arty buff from time to time that destroys the balance.
ITS WHAT IVE BEING SAYING FOR MONTHS! Co Op is the only thing that will save wows now or a FOUR YEAR ROLL BACK! Cheers
A minimum of a 6 year rollback is required, keep the tree ships and balance them out. Make carriers before the rework and make them work for each kills and make the AA stronger to punish bad plays
i had a T10/T11 game on 12th of August at 11:44 AM which was a random battle 6 vs. 6. i was wondering what happend... i have done some screenshots, because i cant believe this.
Yah, because it's a statistical anomaly or a technical thing. This is not representative, i wonder why most people here think it is.
the supership queues are pretty busted right now because it turns out people got tired of playing superships.
Yesterday (Sunday) Evening i had two 9 vs.9 battles (Random) on the EU-Server one on T7 and one on T6, i played in a 2 man Divi.
@@vende6137 I don't think many people think it's representative in general, but it is representative of the downward spiral. WG can only shit on people so much until there's nothing but whales left.
I've started playing in open beta from mid 2015 till early 2019 on EU. CV rework ruined it for me, although I played other classes on and off for one more year before quitting for good.
I've joined a clan and with it a discord server that at its top had 200+ players from all servers. Nowadays I think there's 2-3 people still playing it across that server.
now hold up, what time zone and what time exactly? 1 PM right? is it like 01.00 in the night time?
because i hate to separate PM and EU time each other.
pm and eu time what? 1pm is 13:00, one in the afternoon. I think flambass is in central EU time, maybe Central EU+1 not sure, but either way it'd be early afternoon.
Send this to Jingles
I started playing this game in highschool 9 years ago.. during open beta tests. It was amazing back then. All the way up to the CV rework it was just amazing, no complaints other than Radar going though islands ((Now we have so much more the worry/complain about)) This game was my escape, to get away from stress of school work and sometimes my parents. It WAS Fun and Engaging, but not anymore. It hasn't been that in Years.. It's very sad to see a game with so much potential end up in the toilet.
Sad for Georgia he did really well and almost got the pelt.
Was looking forward for such games for years, youtube tells me for 8 years (since 1.0, even before tbh). They get what they worked for, love it, wonder who will pay for premium ships when there is nobody left
I've seen this many times over the years, it happens when a CV player can't find an opponent, so they stay in que for over 5min. Then when another cv enters que it takes everyone in que and launchs, even if there is only a couple.
It's not even sad, just pathetic. I hope the guys from the graphics department get a job that is appropriate for their skills.
Also, people don't want to play, it just means we must add more premium subs and carriers
I quit playing after joining my friends because everyone who was playing was an old salt. The learning curve was incredibly steep even before subs.
Only started playing a week ago, so just using tier 3 cruisers and destroyers. Are there any alternative naval battle games like this please? Can feel myself getting suckered in but think should find something else rather than ink time a be money into this
i used to have fun playing this game. wish I could return to that.
When half the reds became untouchable CVs and subs was the time I started playing Starfield 90% of the time.
Flambass you should know or have you forgotten if a cv has been sitting in que waiting for 5min then the next cv is auto drop into game regardless I have been in hundreds like this 2 is rare but yep been there
nah he would rather be salty and have a clickbait title for his video
@@Fezz206 To be fair, it's not exactly clickbait to say the game is dying, overall player count is dropping, not increasing.
The only way I'll download this game again, is if they decide to bring back the Big Hunt Sci-Fi event battles.
I played the game a little, and while the aiming is better than WT naval, the fact that SO MANY OF MY ROUNDS go over or below where I aim is incredibly stupid.
I would say that the core of the player base is quite old witch would mean that at 13:00 Hours most are probably working maybe thats the reason.
We only see matchmaking like that on the NA server in the early morning hours
Funny enough, I don't doubt for a second that WG would watch this and say "See, we were right! It was a close game.", never even getting the point that this whole thing sucks.
That's just crazy... I haven't been able to enjoy it for a while now but wow that's just rough for the game.
Had a battle like this a few years ago, and thing 2v2, cv and bb battle. Crazy
I made a few battles (>tier 6) a couple of weeks ago, during the weekend (day) and it was almost a bot battles... In like 10 battles I didn't lost one. every battle was with a different ship... won all. Even when I played extremely bad.
Had a 4v4 yesterday. Also with superCVs. A DD each. Kinda lost when our Marceau died to a Daring and we had to push. Good times.
Its a known bug with matchmaker, Superships that stay in queue for so long, it panics and starts a game with whatever it has ready to queue up as soon as the 2nd SS queues up. Its been in teh game for as long as I can remember. Used to happen with regular CVs that sat in queue so long by themselves. You have to back out of the queue before the 2 min mark and requeue
I think the key words uttered were "waste of time". I like to see Flambass play, and Jingles' commentary is historical and hilarious. And that's about the only thing good I can say about WoWS. Don't even get me started on WoT.
The super carrier matchmaker has been horrible for a while, I noticed it takes quite long to get games on Sekiryu no matter what time it is, and in some cases I get games similar to what we're seeing here and/or with just a few more ships. The MM is faster on Devastation other non-CV ships.
Georgia after game: "Please rate your satisfaction with this game" 🤮🤮🤮
Well I was focusing on festive rewards and am at tier 7 now only a couple of hundred ships left to grind but they were all full matches at about 1pm yesterday.
I never play random anymore some rank and CB only. Any mode where I don't have to play with subs or CVs, but its getting worse and worse and I'm playing less and less.
Carriers and subs plus power creep killed wows.. its a real shame because early on they really kept a lid on it.
I quit about a year after the carrier rework. Not sure how many ago that is. I think I've logged back in once or twice, but it's just not as much fun as it used to be.
I tried to get into the game after a 2 year or so break. 2 days was enough for the another years of pause :D If it ever gets back into playable state let me know please.
I remember when we was in OMNI together and you joining. That was what 7 years ago. Mad to think but not surprised at games demise I left ages ago
Super ship in queue longer than 4 minutes this is what happens. You need to leave queue before four minutes and hope other guy does also otherwise this happens.
I tried but the grind to the top tier ships is way too much
Nice job Wargaming! 2-4 minute wait times, an average of one 6v6 random battle a day and that's NA server during the day. And now seeing this. What a joke!
Tried coming back a few weeks ago after a 5 year break due to the CV revamp. After 8 losses in a row while getting torped and set on fire the entire time I'd had enough.
I play wows since 2017-18 and just witness the downhill show that WG decision made during the years is just pain. I stoped playing so much since submarine come to be a thing, CV were pure frustration but sumarines just become a greek torture.
today saturday 30 of september, the game was pretty strange first time e see a 5v5 on random battles at 9 am brazil time.
In high tiers it’s difficult to make credits, especially with the
give Starfield a shot. When you like fallout 4, you might like that as well. Typical Bethesda game though. Starts low and then catches you anyways.
@@ImpavidiProgrediamur my PC is too old. Plus I’m retired on a tight budget.
@@akula9713 Not to push you to get it, I am waiting a good while until modders fix the bs and add actual content, but if you have a rig that will run FO4 you can probably run starfield too.
the only reason that Georgia survived was because you kept missing entire supertorp drops. That's about it. The ONLY way a ship can survive against a supercarrier is if the supercarrier makes mistakes. 10/10 design.
It's crazy to think that in the future it will be even harder to get the solo warrior achievement... Because games won't be big enough to hold four players on each side
So much less stress after ditching this 😁, freed up cash to go and pursue iRacing instead
2 years ago, i had a match with a 1v1 Carrier battle at tier 6. It was the most surreal battle i had lmao. We just rammed each other to finish the game
i had this happen from time to time too... but so far only if i queue in tier11 ships.... if i dont't the game still looks quite lively.... so maybe it is your choice of ship more than the actual state of the game?
It was submarines that did it for me, logged in for the first time in 3/4 years today, and most of the players were bots! Such a shame
Dude I am so glad you are doing other content now. If only weegee had listened to you and flamu - at a MINIMUM - this game would still be enjoyable
I used to play alot back when the game released. The game is much more simpler back then battleship beat cruiser. Cruiser beat destroyer and destroyer beat battleship.
In since early beta, but about to bow out even after cutting back to playing just a few games a week. The game is now a toxic mess with few redeaming features. Getting away from both CVs and subs, it's easy to see the basics of the game (gunnery) is just pure busted!
From CBT to patch 0.8.0, then left, wanted to come back this summer, saw the forums got shut down and saw it wasnt worth it anymore.
I left when they changed the CV to how they are now, I lost my main line in one update, with them removing half of the carriers, I tried switching but it never was the same
One day there will be only sub and cv players trying to find eachother on the map
so if someone waits for more than 5 min the matchmaker seems to make whatever match it can. Im guessing the other cv waited more than 5min, if you want to avoid this cancel the queue before you hit 5 min
I stopped playing just before subs were introduced, so glad i did 🤣
Im a big fan of battleships, especially the older stuff. Problem is 1920s ships weren't built with AA in mind, so watching two carriers obliterate my defenceless vessel with absolutely zero counter play.
I dont get why they couldn't do something like Battlestations Midway/Pacific. Carriers were powerful, but you could manually control the AA and have some actual gameplay against enemy air craft so it was fun.
got the same today on NA servers with Eagle. It was 9AM Pacific time. Not 2v2 but 7v7
Haven't seen this but playing tier 8 and have been put into a lot of tier 10 games. Honestly ranked to some degree has saved my experience cause ya its becoming crazy. So much money grabbing now.
I quit playing because I hated the aircraft carriers, and wasn't about to wait around to see what submarines would ruin.
I had a tier 6 2v2, carrier and a fubuki on each side, i was in the fubuki and my carrier died almost instantly - , this game was my worst nightmare (excluding getting anally violated by the empire state building). Fortunately i'm very experienced in the fubuki and managed to win the battle with about 30 plane kills. Utter horrorshow MM though.
I find it amusing that this battle was this long
I get it, I tried to get back into the game this weekend as a casual player. I wanted to get into battleships so I tried the US battleship line and just spent a weekend getting nuked by carriers and subs. It was hell I couldn't do anything to counter, especially at the lower tier where I was playing.
edit: the NA server is 80% bots
Once i was on a sekiryu and got a 3 v 3 cv surface ship sub format
"We will never add submarines to this game..."
-The Chieftain (On behalf of Wargaming)
The Matchmaker servers at their peak at 1pm
The better way to protest would have been to get all 4 to sail to the middle and sit for 20min.
I quit the game when they released submarines.
I started playing WoWs in spring 2015 in closed beta and invested a lot of money for premium accounts and ships - and I really loved playing it.
But I do not further want to support Wargaming with my money after a so many bad decisions in the last years (introduction of tier XI, removal of camouflages, subs, new CV gameplay)...
I wish Wargaming would read this comment section and could see the amount of disappointment they are responsible for.
To be fair if you play at 2am-6am on EU you could always get games like that.
I once won a game because it was base cap and the put my DD against 1 cruiser and for whatever reason they went for my cap as I went for theirs.
I said since release that having CVs in a surface combat game was stupid. Then they added subs to a surface combat game and it got worse. I quit two years ago after spending THOUSANDS on ships and such. I loved it when it was good, but so happy I quit when I did.
Had this happen before. Then next game full. Glitch i think depending on battle type and ships. Had it happen like 3 times over the years.
Man I use to love taking battleships out, it makes me sad to see this is what’s become of the game
That’s sad, but I appreciate the game bring me so much fun in the past.
Legends is doing great, just finished playing for like 4 hours, full lobbies every time in T IV and T V ships
WOW!! 2v2?!?! And I thought that the MM that I had once where there were 3 subs, 3 DD's, 2 carriers, 1 BB and 1 cruiser was terribad! lol
U-boats killed the fun of my games …. Frustrating and I stopped therefore random battles ..
Just look at the "Fun" experience that Georgia is having right now.