A fat activist is offended by Old Navy not carrying her size | Fat acceptance Tik Tok cringe
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She's talking about being disadvantaged while mentioning that she buys new outfits every time she has a dinner or an interview 🙃 does she not realise that to most people that's a luxury, you could even say *GASP* a privilege??
Big time privilege! "New" clothes for me is taking something I already own and modifying it, taking things that are worn out and scavenging pieces to use to create something new out of it.
Must be nice to have money to spend on clothes like that.
My brother wears a size 16 shoe, most stores go up to about 13, MAYBE 15. He HAS to buy shoes online (except sometimes Nike does carry size 16 and up, but they expensive!). He never, NEVER would say that it makes him oppressed.
@@lorenemaurer3310 I'm a size 0 in pants and can only shop online bc nowhere sells that in store here
I have to work myself to the bone to buy a new jacket for my brother cuz his old one was quite literally falling apart at the seams and she's calling herself disadvantaged? People these days
This was my thought too. I have a few dedicated "interview/professional" pieces. I've had them for years. I can wear them multiple ways depending on the occasion. The idea of going out to buy a new outfit for each special occasion is so foreign to me.
These people throw the word 'trauma' around so casually. Not being able to buy clothes your size doesn't give you nightmares, flashbacks, paranoia, anxiety, etc.
Yeah, not being able to find skinny jeans in your size is comparable to being kidnapped, raped and tortured. /s
ikr some people these days seem to want trauma i dont think they realize how much real trauma fucks up ur life
@@amandak.4246 I still remember when "triggered" became a big joke. makes me embarrassed to have real triggers.
Yeah for real. I have Complex-PTSD and it pisses me off how these people like to use trauma as a victim card. They think anything that negatively affects them or bums them out is trauma. Like girl saying you have trauma is not gonna get you any sympathy or give what you say more credit. If anything it’ll do the opposite.
clothing size aren't traumatic. body size is their own responsible, i had being fat all through my 23 years but that's not a trauma. being abused is, experience almost die situation is
She’s clearly never met a short person living under the oppression of inseams 😂
the fabric bunching at my ankles is as bad as racism.
am I doing that right? did I make a wild enough comparison?
@@SaintSabre girl what
@@idc1738 it’s sarcasm
@@idc1738 she's mocking the FA
Long inseams are rooted in the racist idea that everyone should look like a six-foot tall Viking. /s
It's baffling that more fabric=higher the cost of clothing doesn't resonate with these people...it's not fatphobia to charge more money for more of a product.
They think it's unfair to pay for two airline seats when they're effectively using two seats. They don't want to acknowledge physical reality.
Why they don't learn to sew clothes and open a business then? No one is stoping them to make their own clothes and sell
8:30 But she DOES get it, she just wants the “straight size” people to pay more to help cover the extra cost of her clothes. In any other situation, people would be complaining it was unfair to have to pay for part of someone else’s stuff.
@@lain5858 They would probably go to JoAnn's and throw a fit that the sewing patterns don't go up to a size 26+ and that skinny people pay less for fabric (because they buy less).
It’s not even just that. Designers have said that resizing a garnet often means redesigning it. They often aren’t from the same template.
I always hated the "Who spends that much time bullying fat people online 🙄🙄🙄" excuse because these same activists will turn around and pump out 50 garbage response tiktoks a day and then make a SPREADSHEET attempting to analyze all old navy stores from 50 states. It's so ridiculous.
They always talk down on people who are thinner even though they don’t consider it “as bad” or say “take it as a compliment” it’s still pretty shitty and hypocritical
Honestly though, if they put the same or even just half the amount of effort they put into these responses, stupid tiktoks, finding bullcrap studies, and just generally doing stupid stuff in order to avoid being healthy, into actually being healthy, portioning meals, exercising, etc they'd no longer have to worry about all of these issues, because they wouldn't be obese anymore.
@@brendanoriega9903 They're not smart enough to realize that they're unhealthy due to their own weight and lifestyle choices, they just don't have the level of introspection needed to realize that they're not the only ones who suffer.
A SPREADSHEET!! I am baffled, surely there's something better she could be doing with her time 😂😂😂😂
@@TyneeBubbles I make spreadsheets for just about everything and even I think that's ridiculous. And kind of obsessive.
It sounds like they are constantly--like, constantly--buying clothes. People who are staying at a stable weight, any weight, don't do this. Sheesh.
I think part of it is also that clothing just wears down faster when you're bigger. Thighs rubbing together creates friction, and bigger amounts of fabric tend to stretch out faster than smaller pieces in my personal experience. That said, I am nowhere near mid or even plus-sized, so I am not sure if clothing companies perhaps account for that by adding more fabric.
I recently got some nice gym leggings and they actually have padding over the hip-bones, which is super dope. Maybe they do the same for plus-size clothes in areas that chafe easily? Idk.
I haven’t bought more than a handful of items since losing over half my body weight, since I don’t want to buy anything until my weight is stable. Unless clothing physically falls off my body, I don’t stop wearing the clothes since I legit hate clothing shopping with a passion
I still wear clothes I've had since middle school.
All of my new clothes are 2xL because normal sizes are always sold out. So when I want something that fits I have to wear my middle school clothes, lol.
I should have read your comment before commenting myself. Yes! The issue is fat people who have not tried a dress or suit on in months and just kept adding calories to their days. "Suddenly" they are fatter. Has happened to me in the past. It has nothing to do with being fat, it has everything to do with people choosing to get fatter.
Exactly. If I see something cute in a charity shop or something cool trips my saved Ebay searches, I'll grab it, but otherwise I just wear what I already have. I have weirdly long big toes that bust through socks & tights after a few wears, so I can only imagine that it's a similar situation if someone is massively overweight, but it's things like inner thigh areas getting worn through.
It's interesting how the original video about children's clothing was more about the differences in boys and girls clothing in terms of sexualization of little girls with the example showing how the length of shorts stayed incredibly short for little girls even as they got older, while boys clothing was more modest and practical. So she really took a video about how corporations play into the sexualization of children and made it about weight and size...
@@Raya-ir4tm I'm unfortunately able to find the original video because I saw it months ago (not the stitch shown in this video, the original shorts tiktok), but that IS what the video was about. That original creator made multiple videos about children's clothing using various brands, sizes, and the disparity between boys and girls clothing. I'm not agreeing with the FA, just adding context that she took twisted the video for her own point, further proving she's wrong in her assumption. If I find it, I will link it here. I am not making a reach, just citing the original source and, again, stating how the FA took it out of context to make her own unrelated and unsubstantiated point. I'm unsure what caused you to react so aggressively...
@@Raya-ir4tm Why are you claiming that she made that argument when she very clearly said that was the argument being made in the video. You sure are reaching for absolutely no reason except to complain. And what other answer do you have for little girls needing short shorts when little boys have longer ones? This isn't the 70s where everyone wore short shorts.
I commented this exact same thing but less eloquently 😂 I too remember seeing original on my fyp and what op showed was so shocking. No wonder girls are constantly getting dress coded at school.
@@cocolina53348 I grew up in the desert valley in California where it would reach over 100 consistently in the summer. The first day of 7th grade our assistant principal made it clear that they would be strictly enforcing the dress code that year. They had to stop after the third day because 80% of girls were getting dress coded. Sooooo many parents called to complain because you quite literally could not buy more modest shorts, especially if you had grown out of limited too (aka Justice). We just couldn’t win
As a disabled person, I can’t tell you how much the “accessibility” term here grinds my gears. THANK YOU for the way you put your comments about “access.” Access is not ease!!! And it’s not about how easily you can hoard fast fashion; like you said, it’s about the ability to live!
Also notice how none of them are advocating for companies to make adaptive clothing for disabled people. They just want stuff in their size.
@@emilyeverson661 Yes! I was going to mention something about that, too, but was concerned that talking about the clothing I need to accommodate my ostomy bag, which doesn’t bother me, might be a little too personal for a cringe vid comment. 😅
I am also disabled and when they start comparing them having no sizes and the accessibility thing to wheelchair users not having accessible ramps etc etc. Omg its ridiculous... stop comparing yourselves to disabled people when you did it to yourself. Being fat is not a fucking disability the way they try to use it.
I agree! I have ADHD and accessibility would be like being able to ask for help easier, being able to have extended time, and being able to have headphones during class. But if these people were to make my “accessibility”, I would just never have to do anything, which does sound nice, but I would be like these people complaining about things never going my way.
@@valerierae76 ADHD Is a disability? I thought it just made ppl smart and awkward. but that might be autism idk i dont know alot about mental health, sorry if i was offensive.
"that's always been part of my trauma, I couldn't wear youth size clothes." She's got to be joking. How is that trauma?!?
the victim complex in fat activists is strong
haven’t you heard?? minor inconveniences that slightly hurt your feelings is considered trauma now! /j
I’ve literally had to do the same thing ever since I was little because nothing fit me in the kids section lol I’m used to by now
As someone who struggles with severe PTSD, I'm pretty upset by her saying that. Not being able to buy khakis that fit your massive size 30 behind is not the same as being traumatized, you unbelievable conkwocket!
So, what, has she been unable to leave her house for weeks on end cuz she's haunted by empty clothing racks? Does she get flashbacks of her muffin top glorping over the too-small pants she tried on anyway? Does she shake uncontrollably if anyone walks by wearing the pants she couldn't get her trotters on? 🙄
I had to shop in the kids section throughout my entire school life and I wouldn't say it traumatised me.
“So, I was thinking about Old Navy like…all day yesterday”
You need therapy, babe 🥲
Lmao right fixated on the wrong things hunny 😩
And she thinks she's some revolutionary activist by shitting herself over Old Navy switching their plus sizes to online, it's so fucking weird lmao
Who actually spends all day thinking about some cooperation that makes clothing like out of all the things in the whole world to think about all the fun things you could do and be thinking about you're thinking about that...
@@sixk8333 that's what insecurities do to you unfortunately. It's like how those with eating disorders can only focus on food 24/7. Obsession is a flag for "I need serious therapy"
@@sixk8333the only time I’ve ever thought about old navy was when my dad went and bought me new jeans and the bill was like $100. I nearly had a heart attack and wanted to put one of the pairs away ( we were buying two) but it was my dads Christmas gift. Lol but seriously we thought about it for like 30 minutes then had to think about where my stepmom went because she got lost lol
I swear these FAs are NEVER satisfied. They know more than doctors, they know more than advertisers, nutritionists EVERYONE
She's a narcissistic, she thinks people owe her.
I personally believe they do this because, they get a rush off the idea of being a victim. Nothing more, nothing less.
FR. ridiculous
“who has that much time” she says right after showing us a spreadsheet she made after looking up each individual store in six different states, making petitions, writing up a pre made email form for people to send, and telling people to spam social media 🤔
Embarrassing….
The idea that "I can't go buy a new outfit if I have a date or interview" shows how out of touch they are with the reality of thin people's lives. Do they really think people just go out and buy clothes for every social occasion that comes up rather than just plan ahead and have a few go-to outfits already purchased ahead of time just in case? Hell, even when I'm at my thinnest (size ~6-8) I can't buy an interview outfit last minute because I'd have to go to 5+ stores just to find things in my style that go well together and ain't nobody got time (or gas money) for that.
They've convinced themselves that thin people live in some fantasy world where they can stroll into any store at any time and find clothes in their style that fit well, look good on them, and are 75% off. I wear a size two or size four and MOST stores don't carry anything smaller than size six or a vanity-sized size four that fits like a six.
@@petunia7623 Also, even when you do manage to find a size that fits in the waist, you have to worry about whether they'll be the right length.
As someone who is 5' 2" tall and wears a size 3 or 5 depending on brand, it is almost impossible to find a pair of jeans that aren't so long that they end up with an extra 3-4+ inches of material dragging the ground beneath the backs of my shoes. I had jeans in high school that literally had shoe-shaped areas worn out of the backs because I'd walked the material away, leaving the front to now hang loosely over my shoes to the point that you could no longer tell I had feet.
I didn't start seeing "short" length jeans until I was in college and you'd better believe that they sell out fast, so it is incredibly rare to find any that fit me. I have had the same two pairs of jeans for the past eight years. I despise shopping for clothes. Between jeans and looking for bras that fit me (I wore even larger than a 34G when I had a reduction), clothes shopping was always miserable for me and I never recovered. LOL
They'd probably call the ability to plan outfits ahead of time a privilege. Chances are the reason they would need a new interview outfit is that they've outgrown their old interview outfit and didn't realize it until hours before the interview.
@@JW-vi2nh try shopping in the petite section
@@amandak.4246 right? Lol I've been wearing the same dress to interviews for like 5 years
I’m not plus size, but I live in a small town in the Midwest. I have to drive half an hour to get to the nearest Kohls or TJ Maxx. I have to drive over an hour to get to the nearest anything else. The stores that sell clothing in my town are Walmart and some off brand discount store. This woman is so deluded to believe that she doesn’t have significantly more privilege than a vast majority of the people in this country.
Like, she is mad that when she has last minute plans with her friends she only has two stores to go to for a shopping trip to buy a brand new outfit for a single random night out with friends? Bruh, I use the clothes in my closet? Who goes shopping every time they have plans or an interview? Someone who needs to check their privilege, that’s who.
I feel you... Like I had to learn how to sew because clothes are too freaking expensive where I live. I've spent the last few days altering old clothes and making new pieces out of scrap fabric because I just can't afford to buy all the clothes I need if I went to the store. 🙃
Someone whose size keeps changing, I'd guess. Which is not a clothing issue, it's a lifestyle issue.
Ugh... She sounds so privileged and entitled. Yes. Most people DO have their entire life planned into their wardrobe... If they even can afford "fancy" dinner clothes. People wear what they have.
I've seen an obese lady argue with a skinny lady for wearing baggy clothes while wearing a tight fitting dress. So, why do overweight women like wearing tight fitting clothes but dislike skinny people wearing loose fitting clothes?
She'd prolly argue that she had to wear that ill fitted dress because people like the other girl were buyin up all the clothes she actually can fit😂
@@rinabobina8453 lol yeah she probably is that entitled
@@rinabobina8453 yes. I've heard this IRL, 'thin privilege'.
She would have been just as pissy if that thin woman was wearing a tight dress. Because she would have looked at her thin body and got jealous. You can't win with these people unless you gain 500 pounds and stop brushing your teeth.
I am a size medium and love love oversized hoodies and Tshirts to bum around. So if i see an huge T shirt, I'll buy it , they can kiss my derriere
My son was always bigger than the kids his age. When he was in elementary school and middle school we just accepted we had to buy bigger clothes for him so that they fit his body type. We learned which brands fit best and stuck with what worked. My son is now 14, almost 6 feet tall and built like a football player. Yes, we had to pay more for clothes compared to his friends but trust me when I say it never traumatized my son because I never fed into the negativity when we had a hard time finding him clothes. This is so stupid!
I was a fat kid, and it was difficult for my parents to find me dress shoes that were wide enough, and uniforms for school. We sometimes had to go to special stores. Now that I'm an adult and have a healthier lifestyle, I'm thin, and my sizes are readily available.
@ Naomi Maybe your son will be a Marine 😊 bless him!
14 and already 6 feet tall? For reals, kids these days are crazy tall lol
Kids grow at different rates and, while some people will always find a way to make others feel insecure, it is a lot easier for everyone, including the child, to just teach them that it's okay to be different and being taller/shorter/built differently doesn't affect your value as a person. If you insulate people from anything that could potentially make them feel insecure, rather than teaching them how to deal with it in a healthy way, then they're probably going to end up as the sort of person who thinks having to buy clothes online is oppression.
man, I'm just happy you didn't let him develop some eating disorder, like some parents do. So I'm happy for you guys and I'm happy that he gets more clothes to pick from now because he's thinner :)
Speaking as someone with c-PTSD, I really hate to be like "my trauma is worse than yours so shut up" but like... there are so many FA folks who shout to the heavens about their fatness (or rather how they're treated for it as being the source of a lot of trauma) like... if your most traumatic childhood incident was not having shorts with a 'kid' label on them, then you have had a very sheltered, privileged life and I envy you tbh.
Like it really feels like they've turned the word TRAUMA into a buzzword. They use it left and right, half the time I think just to shut up people who would speak against them, disagree with them whatever before they even say anything. Like "oh you're not allowed to tell me I'm wrong for being upset at this event because I'm TRAUMATIZED" and like... there's a difference between being upset or traumatized in regards to something, and acting in a toxic way based on those feelings...
agreed!!!
Same here. That's why I can't stand the movement and their shouts of "trauma". Like gurl (usually they are women), you wanna talk some REAL trauma? I can make you break out into sobs over the crap I went through as a child.
Wow, THAT is their trauma? They don’t know what real trauma is.
@Guy Whose opinions will offend you Hey I have a couple similar experiences. Hope you’re doing good now ❤️
As a seller, this whole attitude with the petition really annoys me. I sell collectibles. There was a time when many customers asked me to get goods from a particular series. I did, but then nobody actually wanted to BUY anything. They literally just wanted to SEE the stuff in person 🙄. I suspect it's very much the same deal here.
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baffling to me that these folks pretend to be so upstanding but are fighting for their entire lives over clothing made by enslaved women and children. there are sustainable, handmade ranges that go all the way up to a 5x - big bud press and shiny by nature are my favs - but theyre screaming down the throats of huge corps instead of funnelling this energy into supporting smaller, better brands.
Well, it’s easier to whine and cry at a faceless corporation than it is to do any actual activist work that could improves material conditions of the people making their fast fashion.
I agree with you, lazy “activism” gives people trying to do good work a bad rep :/
Right?! And you *know* none of these women have ever made a single article of clothing in their lives, and could not comprehend the sheer amount of work that goes into it
YES! THANK YOU! Old navy has dumb clothes. All the stuff there is boring and ugly. Not like I'm the most fashionable with my thrift store stuff but there are far better places to get clothing and it's better made and not slave labor.
no thats such a good point bc a lot of these typically white plus size activists will constantly defend going shopping at shien or zara bc "oh fat people can't afford cute clothes we deserve cute clothes!" fully ignoring the mistreatment of the (typically POC) workers. And despite this they have no problem constantly equating Fat activism to causes like BLM. It just shows they dont really care about lgbt or poc issues, they only bring up racism or homophobia when it can further their own movement 😒
THIS 👏🏼
why do fat activists act like every time you have to do something you need to buy new clothes, or that every thin person buys a new outfit when they have a dinner. i really feel like this overconsumption in food translates to a lot of other things in life. like amberlin reid- she always has to be buying new things and clothes. is it really accessible to buy this much? i dont fit a lot of clothes because im small, but instead of struggling to find something because “i have an event” ive collected pieces that i love and fit me through thrifting and depop- and there are so many plus sized items to thrift. if we want to promote something when it comes to buying clothes- it should be thoughtful moderation, not crazed overconsumption.
This!
I've noticed this also with extremely obese women. It seems like they are just constantly over consuming.
@@jesussaves6625 i think when you combine a lifestyle of overconsumption with being an internet persona you can get some strange outcomes no matter your size or gender- but so many obese women on the internet struggle with needing consant input, whether its food, entertainment, fat advocacy, or buying a full wardrobe every month. its almost telling about the overall habbits of the average american
Yeah I haven’t really bought (I haven’t bought? Does that make sense in English?) anything new since like 2019 lol.
I’m quite selective with my fashion as I want good quality but for a normal price. I’m not paying €80 ($100) for a t shirt just because balenciaga or some other European company’s logo is on it.
I have some branded items, Nike shoes for example, my suits are quite expensive from Italy (but as a European I can just drive to Italy lol, it’s less impressive to have an Italian suit here than in the states hahaha)
They get a rush or high off the idea of being a victim.
LOL She is really telling a global corporation how they need to run their business. Girl, they are doing fine as is. Your dollars going elsewhere isnt going to affect them
Right especially when they already tried it and the fat community obviously failed them lol. They don’t care abt signatures they care about orders like one commenter said.
Exactly. Obviously, Old Navy has already determined that these plus sized customers are not bringing them enough profits anyway.
She doesn't seem to realize how corporate decisions are made. Old Navy management is probably rolling on the floor reading her messages
I don't wear things from old navy either
I still don't understand why this people are whining about clothes? !!! I find it personally pretty fortunate to have the ability to shop online. More choice more variety in the prices. You can even shop from an other country sitting in your couch
And they still dare to call this “oppression.” Like this is it? This is the biggest problem your “marginalized” group is experiencing? Not being able to buy cute clothes (made by child labor of course 😃) in-store? Not y’know, your right to vote or something lmao
This ! There is so much variety online. And it allow me to avoid the chore of going shopping in stores. I I don't have no time for that lol. And online prices are more interesting. Anyway I shop on Vinted, 2nd hand clothes are the best money-wise and for originality
They just want something to complain about.
Old Navy isn’t selling all their larger sizes in store so they moved them to online again…does she expect them to keep the clothes there to make her feel better?
Yup. They just want to look at them, but not buy them, just like before.
@@WaitingxInxSilence lmao!
Yes old navy and every store should have plus size
@@MelB868 and they do. It’s all online, and what they have in store is still a generous range.
@@MelB868 I mean, no store is obligated to provide it if it's not making them money.
I love how these activists love calling out companies and saying “do better” but it never occurs to them to look in the mirror and tell themselves the same thing. Do better your self and you would have more than 3 stores to shop from and wouldn’t need a scooter to travel the distance of a mall.
Q: Why are FA activists so OBSESSED with fast fashion/ unsustainable clothing?
Another excellent way to make that “wE hAvE nOtHinG tO wEaR 😠” argument just completely tone-deaf to actual problems in the world.
I seems like alot of FA want to find ways n excuses that validate their idea that they are oppressed. 😒 like who WANTS to be marginalized n oppressed? Life is hard enuff already, dont make it worse tryna be included in a population that doesnt wana be oppressed themselves.
@Anna That's gonna be especially true with cheap shit like Old Navy. I have a sizeable thigh, and them babies like to rub together; I've seen the difference between quality materials and cheap, likely sweatshop crap. If these women chased quality, they wouldn't have the wear down issue nearly as much 🤷♀
I think it's also harder to find plus sizes in non fast fashion brands, sometimes it's your only option but that doesn't mean you have to buy new stuff every other day.
Because people desperately want to feel "more oppressed" than others, in order to feel like they are somehow "better", or "holier". It's a form of virtue signaling when they come up with this kind of shit.
Here’s a revolutionary idea: don’t shop at stores that don’t have your size.
Mind blowing, I know.
Clothing stores are in it for profit. They don’t make changes that won’t result in more profit. And trust me, these profitability changes are based on careful analysis of massive amounts of detailed data.
People that wear typical sizes don't go to Torrid or Lane Bryant and throw a fit because they can't find a medium. I don't see anorexic people screaming about old navy not carrying an xxxs.
@@moemunneymoe u said EXACTLY wat i was ab to say.
Exactly. I always found Old Navy clothing to be ill-fitting, in any size, so I just don't shop there. There are so many stores, even for plus sizes.
Especially when you're at that certain size out of your own choices and decisions. There are so many clothing brands dedicated to plus size.
I would say there are more plus size clothing lines than brands solely created for people with disabilities, sensitivity and sensory issues.
Besides, there are actual problematic and toxic clothing brands like the one that start with B (and so on) where they exclude anyone that isn't skinny and white. I don't know how a piece of clothing could exclude a race but those brands managed to do it. I've seen videos on it, people boycotting it. Justifiably so. That's when you call out a brand.
A brand simply not carrying your size? Go and spend your money at the brands that do. Or lose weight to be able to fit into standard sizing. Clearly there are choices and changes you can make. It's not like the brand is excluding you for something you can't change at all.
I like how she says "if there were stores that weren't doing so well selling the plus sizes you could've picked up the marketing" like someone can just change their size to suit the ad they saw on T.V.
Trauma is a meaningless word now.
She seems like she's fishing for an sponsorship from them in backhanded way.
That’s my take, too…
"OLD NAVY GIVE ME CLOTHES"
Hunh. Ya know, I can see that.
I went to Old Navy for the first time in a while a few weeks ago. All of the regular sizes were wiped out, and the big sizes were untouched. And this was during a sale at a store in a pretty overweight town lol. I’m sure ON took a big hit to their profits by trying to be woke.
I wouldn’t use the word woke. But other brands have been incorporating bigger sizes and models and Old Navy just jumped on the hype seeing it was working for other companies. Unfortunately Old Navy seems to forget it’s popularity isn’t what it use to be. And not a lot of people really purchase their clothes.
The last sentence made me "lol"
@@moni5567 Really? What a bummer, I used to really like that store when I lived in the US. But I guess trends change, haven't heard much of Hollister and A&F either. I did get a Hollister crop top recently though, and was really surprised by how thick and high quality the fabric was. From what I remember, their shit never lasted more than 3 washes back when it was super popular. The shirts were pretty much transparent, and not in a good way.
@@SunshineValleySims A&F has actually been making a comeback. They carry up to a size 24 (37 waist) and using more diverse models.
I think people who wear small sizes should start whining like this. Between vanity sizing and the expansion of plus sizes at the expense of smaller sizes, I've had to start shopping in the children's department. I guess I deserve this humiliation because I'm not a "real woman" because "real women have curves".
So true, vanity sizing is out of control. I am not a tiny woman, most of the time I'm over 140 pounds. 20 years ago I was a medium or sometimes large size. Now the "smalls" look like tents big enough to accommodate someone over 200 and the extra smalls are still a little roomy. Idk what the short women who weigh 110 are supposed to wear, toddlers?
I'm what used to be a size 6 in the 70s. I'm finding with vanity sizing that I need to try on lot of zeroes to find one that it's too big. Double zeroes are always too small. I can't wear children's clothes. I have hips and bust.
Exactly! I’m 5’5 and I recently ordered an XS shirt that was very baggy. I guess I have to shop in the children’s section now…
@@rachelmaddowswife8713 ouch and as a short woman who weighs less than 110 pounds juniors sizes. Not even joking. It’s very hard to find clothing that doesn’t look like it’s made for a fifteen year old. Yes, it is embarrassing. Vanity sizes haven’t quite reached junior sizes so despite a size 2 saying it’s a 25 inch waist and a size 3 saying it’s a 26 inch waist the 3 is closer to fitting me. ( I really need a size 0 or 1 but good luck)
The kids clothing section is cheaper. I love it personally. No I don't think that complaining about that would make you better than them.
If the fact she only has two clothing stores close to her is oppression, I have some bad news for everyone in my area and other rural areas. We have to go 40+ minutes away for clothing stores, excluding Walmart.
I have to go a minimum of 25 minutes to get to walmart 🤣🤣 an actual mall or anything that isn’t walmart or dollar general if much farther.
I just have to share: I'm having this experience but from the opposite direction! I've been obese most of my life (even got sucked into the FA movement for awhile, which is why I frequent channels like this one--I'm FURIOUS at how close they dragged me to my own self destruction!!!). So finding clothes in standard stores has not been possible for me since I was like...in high school, 20 years ago. At my heaviest I couldn't even shop Torrid or Lane Bryant for pants, because they stopped at size 28 and I needed 30/32! I was shopping men's pants at Casual Male XL because they went bigger (and went for about $80 a pair, yikes!).
But I've lost 111 lbs so far of my goal of 206, and suddenly I can buy clothes EVERYWHERE. I'm still in the plus size sections (1-2xl for shirts, 22 for pants) so I can't get pants everywhere but MOST places I can get shirts!!! I actually had to learn to start shopping a bit more discerningly because at first I was just SO EXCITED to have options that I bought everything that fit! I ended up with a lot of clothes that I didn't even particularly like because I had gotten so used to just buying everything I could get onto my body, lol!!! Plus I learned: It's a really bad idea to buy a lot of clothes when you're still losing weight because their closet life is pretty short. I have clothes that I never even got around to wearing before they were already too big.
But I"m absolutely DELIGHTING in how easy it is to buy pants!!! I have a business trip this October I'll be attending and my only fancy slacks are size 26 and 28, both WAY too big now. I'll need to buy new ones...but I"m not going to until I'm closer to the date because if I do, there's a good chance they'll be too big by then too!! I wonder what size I'll be in by then? Maybe 20??? 18????? So exciting!!!!!
Anyway just wanted to share the utter delight of going in the OPPOSITE direction and having a world of clothing options open up to you! It's incredible!!!!!
good for you, I bet that feels amazing!! congratulations!
Congratulations! That’s awesome!!
Woohoo! That’s amazing !
@@noodlepoodlegirl Aww thank you!!! LOL I ended up in size 20 pants for the business trip, can you believe it???? 128lbs lost now, slow but steady, and I can't stop buying clothes that fit they're everywhere LOL Thank goodness for goodwill because I still have 70+ to lose haha!!!
@@AuralayKristine i hope youre doing well and feeling good thats an amazing amount of progress!
Once being a baby and being a mother of a 7 yr old the reason why the baby clothes are like that is because of room for bulky diapers or bulky pull-ups. Yikes !
Yeah, she doesn't seem to get that older toddlers don't really wearing diapers.
Not to mention pants are very restricting for a toddler who is practicing to walk, that's why toddler clothes are almost panty/leotard-short. Easier to remove to change their diapers, too. It extends to older kids, they're meant to be active and running/crawling/sitting on the floor so shorter clothes allow more movement. Boys/girls wear shorts and some girls wear skirts. Easier for the parents and easier for the kids.
Let the kids stay kids, don't assume anything sexual when it comes to kids.
Never thought about the nappy (diapers are called nappies outside the US) aspect, but from my limited experience with children, they never want to wear clothes anyway. Even here in Northern Europe, where it’s cold and miserable, they still just want to run around with no clothes. I guess at age 2, the instinct to not want clothes is still high.
I think combating medical disinformation is doing a lot of good in the world.
I am so confused by the idea of having the "need" for last minute outfits.... do you not already have formal outfits? Or a nice dinner dress? How many people live such a privileged life where whenever you have a new event you rush off to get an entirely new outfit?
I have nice clothes for those events that are from 2 to 8 years old. My newest item is a formal dress I got off Amazon for a wedding 6 months ago because I was told I couldn't wear black.
It's such a weird struggle to not have the privilege to be able to access brand new clothes.
God forbid she has to walk to the OTHER END OF THE MALL😱😱 the horror.
As someone with severe mental trauma, if someone says they have ‘trauma’ because they didn’t fit in certain clothes, it tells me that either they have trauma and mistakenly assume this unrelated thing was partially the cause, or they’ve never had to deal with actual traumatic events
I think it’s the latter
This is something I have thought. They were victimized and their abuser told them it was related to their weight which is “their fault”.
Being someone who has babies (2 yo boy, 1yo boy and 1yo girl [twins]) and an 8 yo girl (I’ve been able to see how clothes sizes change as the child grows), I do not need the clothes to get wider for the girls or boys. The clothes would literally fall off of them. Yes you get taller but the clothing companies manufacture clothes based off an AVERAGE.
@@Itugen88 bro same! I'm a size 9 in shoes and I can almost never find my size in store, especially in heels. But I don't act like I'm oppressed, I just buy it online lol. I understand that most women have smaller feet. They cater to the average in stores
Yes! They make room for diapers and then account for the lack of them after potty training 🤦♀️
It's still just mind boggling that these people act like being fat ISN'T a choice. Stop eating for comfort, get real therapy, and delete all your SM.
dude they expect the babies to get wider but also to stop wearing diapers. a filled out toddler with no diaper is pretty similar to a baby with a diaper
Can I just say, that fake email sounded EXACTLY like the things these people post. Like, down to the phrasing- it should be hyperbolic, but it's not even a little bit. You've really been exposed to these activists longer than has to be healthy, but I so appreciate your noble sacrifice 😂
She's definitely taking one for the team going through all this stuff.
@@KinoTechUSA69 especially all of Marissa's content- even I find myself rolling my eyes and going 'typical Marissa' on her videos because sadly I know exactly what 'typical Marissa' is, and I only WATCH these.
I don't like the way she scoffs at customer service workers' input. Customer service staff are in direct contact with customers and on site in the stores most of their working time. They can see firsthand what is and isn't selling and what customers ask for. Their input is important.
also, idk if this is standard, but when i worked at target, the stockers n clothes section workers HAD to take inventory and report back what was selling out vs what was left and not to reorder, so its not even just us telling our managers “i dont think ppl are buying this”, its *measured* and *recorded* (but ye i dont think we’d know what sizes are available, we just had to enter data and move on)
@@caspertheghost8631 it is. i work in a clothing store and our store managers give reports to district managers at the end of each day to report what people are and aren’t buying. we don’t carry a ton of plus sizes in our jeans because we very rarely get people asking for more of them. we are, however, adding more curvy and petite styles to our racks because people HAVE been asking for those
Wow this woman's entitlement. Do you think she realises that interviews don't occur in a vacuum. Before you start sending out your resume, normal people make sure they have something to wear. Interviews are always short notice. Her lack of preparation is not oppression.
It's also normal for people on budgets to keep a set of going out clothes on hand.
If she's constantly changing sizes to the point of not being able to plan her social life, that's literally a her problem. Maybe she should see a doctor or a therapist.
I'm from a country with lower obesity rate, and for some reason stores don't take the size distribution into account. And it is a legit issue, all the cool designs in size xs-s get sold out within the first few days of new collection, but xl-3xl are left hanging on sale for months. Luckily I'm not shy to ask for the item off the mannequin, but this is just so stupid on the companies' part, it's not hard to figure out.
Yesterday, I went to a clothing store for the first time in a while (just because I don't really buy new clothes very often) and 80% of the items I looked at more closely because I thought they were pretty were only available in XS or XL. As a size small (for shirts) and medium (for pants) I was disappointed over and over again, seeing that most of the clothes I liked weren't available in my size. Those are just the most common sizes where I live, so, naturally, they sell out the fastest. I'm not starting a movement about how average-sized people are being oppressed because our sizes sell out this quickly, though.
@@isi__1 I always have the same experience, mostly with only larger sizes being available. It sucks when you find something you really love only to realize they don’t have your size 😒
European here,
Clothes shops here are the same, XS and XL. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an XXL here, and even our XL is smaller than a murican XL
For example, American women sizes are 2 sizes smaller than UK sizes.
A size 4 UK is a size 2 US.
This is because US women are more likely to buy clothes that is smaller, they want to say ‘I’m a size 2’ but in reality, you’re a size 4.
In Europe we don’t use sizes like that. But I do know UK sizes. It’s the opposite with shoes.
A UK size 12 is a US size 13, because bigger shoes is seen as dominant in the US. So even though they’re the same size shoe, the marketing makes people buy more etc.
Instead of complaining about Old Navy or whatever not carrying her size, why doesn't she make her own plus-sized brand? Be the change you want to see.
“I was thinking about Old Navy all day today”. My personal hell, honestly.
I genuinely want to know how often these people, the ones who are complaining right now, actually went to an old Navy shop, and purchased clothing there? Because I'm pretty sure most of them either don't go there at all, or probably buy their stuff online anyway. They just want the size to be there as a symbol or whatever more than anything. It's just hard for me to imagine that these people, who constantly complain about having anxiety in public, being harassed etc would go into an actual store, rather than order online.
Walmart has a third of the women’s section just for them. The other third is juniors and the final third is standard women’s sizes.
@@hersheycat6526 Then they complain about the prices being highee
@@hersheycat6526 it’s mostly plus here, and their standard sizes are so vanity sized that a 4 fits like an 8. Their inseams seem to be extra short too so idk how average height people do with their pants. I rarely find anything in a small or medium. It’s mostly 1-2x even out of the plus section, and I feel like those would be vanity sized as well. Ours has some decent stuff. Some of it looks like it’s for middle aged women but it’s gotten a lot younger and more fashionable. I have a few dresses and skirts from there but usually they’re shit’s both too big and too short for me, but I alter most my clothes so I like the price.
i'm 4'11" so pants, skirts, and sleeves are always too long for me no matter where i go. so instead of crying "discrimination!" i learned how to hem my own clothes. i can't control my height so i found a way to work around it and find my own solution.
I wear a 10 at 5’6” but I still alter almost everything. People don’t realize that EVERYTHING they see in a catalogue is tailored.
Yup. Is it annoying? Yes. Is it traumatizing? Nope. In fact, some of my favourite pieces are from the girls section. And it is a little time consuming ordering online to check size just because of online returns, but I’m not that frustrated. I wear an American eagle 00-0, usually can’t even fit in Old Navy women’s clothing. So I buy an article that’s similar from the girls section. I have a lot of nice dresses and sweaters from there in addition to basic items like cami tank tops, leggings, and underwear. I can’t buy bras from the girls section (I’m a 30DD minimum) and pretty much always can’t even find my size online. Until I got a couple of ads on Facebook for a storm from England/Italy that has my size in most styles. More expensive but they’re extremely good quality and are really nice, much better than the basics I could buy if I was smaller. So it’s more expense at the start, but in my view-I’m actually spending less due to the amazing quality.
Why is she just staring at us for that whole clip? She just looks condescending and soulless
She's thinking about pizza and hot dogs, she's distracted.
Cause she HONGRY
I've worked at old navy and when I tell you the amount of dust the plus size jeans had from no one touching them was astounding, I had to go in atleast once a week to refold to get rid of all the dust. Worked there for 5 months, never once saw any of those jeans be moved
imagine being so privileged you have to worry about findings clothes that are clearly accessible, but ignoring so cause they aren't MY STYLE or CUTE.. the entitlement of this women is INSANE.
11:46 lmfaooooo she really sat there and made a whole spreadsheet I’m dead ☠️
How often do they buy clothes?! I have never in my life had to shop for a last minute event..? What do you mean no last minute dinner plans? Don't you have a closet full of clothes at home? Your friends would just absolutely hate you if you showed up in your regular jeans that youve worn a hundred time instead of a newly purchased pair of Old Navy jeans? I do NOT understand this argument.
And yes, you have to plan your life 2 weeks ahead of time. Come on now, we're all adults with calenders and a laundry machine. Grow up.
Also, I thought a lot of these fat activists were also anti capitalism, no? Why you buying so many clothes in the first place?
Last-minute shopping is a luxury… If I chose to go buy an outfit last minute for a date, I’m doing it just because I feel like it, NOT out of necessity. Everyone has clothes in their closet, and every responsible adult plans their activities in advance because that’s the responsible thing to do! It’s ridiculous that they’re complaining about the most stupidest mundane problem like it’s a genuine social issue 🤦♀️
It sounds like she lives day-to-day in sweatpants & similarly comfy, stretchy, hyper-casual stuff, & her weight just keeps passively increasing, so any time she has a reason to actually _dress up_ her existing nice clothing is unreliable re: whether it fits anymore. Hence the complaint, & sartorial consumerism.
That's my hypothesis, anyway.
@@mysterylovescompany2657 i think that might actually be a valid hypothesis. Also the only reason i can imagine as to why you would need last minute new clothes
@@mysterylovescompany2657 this is a very good point!
I did. Invited to a wedding and had not gone to anything fancy since before my two children were born. My size had changed and the few fancy thing given away years before. I had a funeral outfit, but not a wedding outfit.
The last place I wore a fancy outfit was my daughter's wedding. Lovely dress, and would still work from a style point of view.
But it was about 13 years ago and I was still at the start of my low carb lifestyle. I weigh about 20 pounds less now than when I wore it.
So if I needed a fancy dress again I would need to alter it.
I now keep a summer and winter funeral outfit.
More fabric + an altered pattern for fatter bodies SHOULD equal a higher cost. It's more work to sew, and we don't have automated sewing yet. HUMANS are sewing your plus size clothes. Why don't fat activists want people to be paid properly for their labor?
Its not fair that I have to pay the same price for less than half the fabric used in a XXXL. Like the cost burden always goes to those of us who wear the smallest sizes but they never talk about that.
@@vianjelos Thin people are also heavily subsidizing the cost of healthcare for the morbidly obese, and disability insurance for those who made themselves too fat to work. Fat activists love to say that their size isn't our business and that they "don't owe us health", but aren't they making it our business by asking us to spend our own money on them?
I really don't get why they're so upset by this. I'm taller than average and my sizes are never carried in stores, I have to do most shopping online too. Stores aren't charities, they aren't obligated to lose money dedicating expensive retail space to uncommon sizes. I also need to pay more for extra length for gowns, for bridal and bridesmaid's dresses for example. This is not a human rights violation!
Edited to add: let's be grateful that we live in the internet age. I remember a time when online shopping wasn't much of an option. Then you were just screwed, you had to make all your own clothing, or hire a seamstress to do it for you. Talk about extra effort and money! I remember when a catalog clothing company for teens came out that carried tall sizes, it was such a revolution.
You just unlocked a memory of that catalogue Omg
I’m tall as well, and honestly, I don’t like online shopping, and I really don’t like having to pay so much extra for something I didn’t choose but I get creative, and I have clothes. I also have a weird shape. Small upper body, with a medium chest, and muscular legs and butt. It’s a pain in the ass to find clothes but half the time I just get men’s pants at a thrift store and alter then, or I wear leggings, or I turn old jeans into shorts. If they really can’t find clothes online or in person, they can ask someone in their ‘community’ where they got their clothes. Or they can get a used sewing machine off Craigslist for $50 and start a new hobby if it’s a ‘but it’s not my style’ issue. That’s what I do half the time, and I can’t change my weird body type.
Every mudsized city has a store for large sizes.
Tall people didn't walk around naked before the Internet.
The thing is that everything has to be as convenient as can be nowadays and everything beyond that is percieved as too exhausting.
When my aunt was a teen in the early 1990s she was into manga and anime.
It took a three hour bus ride to get to Little Tokyo in Düsseldorf where stores had Mangas. And german mangas were very rare.
And mailirdering an ani.e VHS in japanese with englush subtitles took three months.
Somehow she looks very happy When she talks about these hardships, isn't angry that anime VHS wasn't available at the local grocery store...
@@CordeliaWagner Yeah, obviously people find a way to cloth themselves, when did I say otherwise? I'm saying that if a tall person goes to the gap and their inseam isn't in stock, they order it online. I'm a tall woman, and I've never in my lifetime seen a physical retail store dedicated to tall women, and I've lived in several major cities. My even taller aunt used to sew her own dresses and add fabric to the bottom of pants that she purchased, or ordered from a specialty catalog. She never mentioned going to a tall woman store. If that exists where you live, that's great.
This woman featured in the video has inspired me! I’m going to start a petition. As a size 2 who wears size 5 shoes I’m being victimized by having to pay the same prices for my clothing as everyone else….Why should I have to subsidize costs when my items take less materials to make? It’s all a big scheme to traumatize me. Time to stand up and demand my rights!! 😜😜😜 #stopsmallfeetoppression
P.S. brick and mortar retail is suffering everywhere. Brands are having to do everything possible to maintain profitability. But clearly this woman does not get it!!
They are just so beyond entitled. They want companies to cater to their body sizes, when they dont they get deeply offended.
Im a crochet artist and Im willing to make a garment in any size, but The price changes depending on how much yarn I have to use. I cant tell you how often I get told that Im fat phobic because of that. More product=higher cost
I went to old navy when they were still doing the plus size range. there were no larges in the store and barely any mediums but there were tons of xxls and xxxls. Companies discontinue products that the majority of customers don't buy.
I'm a midsize (L/14) Old Navy shopper who loves shopping there. But ever since the body equality campaign, it's been really hard to shop there. The mediums, larges, 8-16 pants/jeans goes super fast. Everything left on the rack is all the plus size and small sizes. Super frustrating! And this is the same situation at all 3 Old Navy stores in my metro area
The fact she is privileged enough to shop at Old Navy is enough. That place is actually expensive! Maybe not the stuff on sale, but alot of stuff there is $$
The fact that she apparently need to buy a new outfit for every occasion. She must be rich.
I got pregnant this year and had to buy most of my affordable maternity clothing online. Not once did the thought that this was oppressive cross my mind, I’m just smart enough to know that there is not enough of a market for maternity clothing for stores like old navy and kohl’s to carry massive amounts in store.
There is a difference between your pregnancy (which happened already congrats), and the self induced piggy in the video. Real talk.
There are a lot of pregnancy clothes brands.
And there is tons of pregnancy clothes at Ebay and other second hand sites because women don't have no need for this clothes after they are done with the pregnancy.
“Today we learn about the harm of Old Navy” has me rolling
Yo I’m a “straight sized” person who only shops online- it’s not oppression 🤣🤣🤣- dude I can’t even remember the last time I was in a mall LMFAOOOOOO. But also, at 5’9” 130 lbs 24-25” waist, I can tell you that im just about the smallest size they sell in the mall which is WILD because there are soo many ppl smaller and shorter than me. None of it is oppression. It’s mildly annoying.
I’ve lost 20 pounds. When I get down 50-60 pounds I know I will need new pants. I will have no idea what size to get…if I knew for sure I would only buy online as well.
I'm 5'7" and skinny, and almost all thin clothes in stores are for shorter people.
Your waist is that small? 25 inches is how big my thigh is around I would be scared if my waist was that tiny
@@samanthawhitehead148woe you don't want to be only 50 to 60 pounds that's way underweight
@@MelB868I think they mean when they lose 50-60 lbs from whatever weight they were at
Only in the day and age where we can get almost anything delivered overnight, sometimes within hours would people complain about things so petty. I live in one of the 'fattest' cities in the country and the racks at ON when I would pop in there had so many 3x and 4x left on the rack and maybe a couple XS. It also seems like when they started this campaign, the quality of the clothes and styles really slumped. The sewing was bad and the fabric choices are cheaper than ever but the clothes are more expensive for everyone. The consumer market just doesn't have the demand for these sizes and ON isn't obligated to lose a bunch of money to make you feel good about yourself. Also, why are we so demanding of fast fashion when we KNOW the garment workers that have to do all the extra work to sew these giant garments are not getting paid fairly? Why are we buying insane amounts of clothing. Y'all, get clothes you can wear for multiple occasions! You can and SHOULD also re-wear clothes...and I say this as someone who could only shop plus sizes for a good chunk of my life. Invest in good quality basics, get creative with shoes and accessories and for goodness sake, take care of your clothes. Find a tailor and a cobbler. Slow fashion is the way to go. The amount of entitlement is baffling.
Well said 🙌
Ive always wondered why they bring up last minute interviews. If youre job searching you would be anticipating an interview, so you should have an outfit ready.
Just went to their website and checked size 30/4x and it gave me the option to pick it up in the store today or get it delivered. I don't believe she shops their.
I wish this comment was pinned. YOU actually checked up! I bet you are right and this woman doesn't even really shop there.
The reality is, the issue probably is that a lot of people who reach the highest sizes of those clothes are less likely to go to the brick and mortar. It’s easier to shop online, brick and mortars in general suffer bc of the accessibility of online shopping, probably even more so in demographics more likely to experience issues with mobility.
I thought the same.
If she made a response to that clip she's going to lose her mind when she sees this video 😂
Lol old navy, Nordstrom rack, and target all look like what the company discribed. There’s a bunch of 2-4x all marked down, and then nothing in a size 4-10. I went from a size 16 to an 8 in the last year and I’ve found it actually harder to find clothes now. And forget about the sale racks.
God I was seeing all the plus sizes left at my old navy. Holy shit it was so bad the store was just filled with on sale oversized shapeless bag dresses. I had enjoyed occasionally getting things from ON but during their inclusive size expansion I basically stopped going cause I could never find a medium in anything I wanted.
Baby shorts and pants are roomy to allow added diaper bulk.
Here is something that it's hard to understand if you have never worked in a garment factory. The increased cost of plus sized clothing has little to do with increased fabric cost (although that is a factor). It has to do with the fact that you need an entirely new pattern. With "straight" sizes, the pattern is made once based on a model who is a proportioned, hourglass US size 6 (when in women's clothing). This simply gets scaled up or down in proportion in exact formulas based on neckline, shoulder, arm, bust etc. It is not possible to do this with plus sized clothing. Bodies that gain weight do not do so proportionally. You can't even size up a size 3x to a 5x. Pattern makers find that the chest does not grow proportionally to the rear, for example, and that means that a whole new pattern will be needed to ensure that a shirt's hem will meet the crotch area evenly across the body and look/fit right. If it doesn't look and fit right, that plus sized woman is not going to want to buy it (nor would I). Pattern making is not a job that you can just give to machine in the way that you tell machine to make 10,000 shirts based off an *existing* pattern. It takes time, models and sometimes *many* fittings. Plus sizes require the most time for fittings and patternmaker brain power. As a result, the time and money spent in research and development of plus sized clothing will net significantly smaller profits than standard sizes unless the plus sizes sell *much* more per style/pattern in *every* size. With the time this woman took to make her spreadsheet she could be working on learning pattern making for herself. And this isn't even when factoring the multiple supply chain issues. She thinks "supply chain issues" means trouble with getting existing clothing from Old Navy warehouse to store. No... it's about getting elastic from your elastic suppliers in Thailand to your garment factory in Bangladesh. When you can get less elastic, or get it less reliably, and you have a choice between making 3 medium sweatpants or 1 3x... and they sell for the same price... which will you choose?
Edit: sorry if I am making this over simple because I don't know what you know. A pattern at a basic place ("basic" meaning cheap fabrics without high structure to the garment) like Old Navy will run them about $1500-2200 per pattern. Plus size is more and is always more of a guess because of more variables, especially due to the type of fabric you are working with and how the pattern should drape. There is such a low profit margin now in fast fashion that this can be the difference between making a profit and going bankrupt.
By calling out companies that simply scale back offerings, trust that the companies who didn't jump on the body positive bandwagon are quietly observing. They are getting insider info on Old Navy balance sheets and will be more cautious about their own possible foray into new sizes.
I'm screenshotting your comment. Thank you for explaining this so incredibly well.
Thanks! I'm gonna screenshot that knowledge as well!
I figure draw often. A friend once asked why I never draw fat bodies, trying to make it a fat phobic thing. In reality a human figure drawing looks "real" when proportion is accurate in the bone structure. Fat grows in all sorts of ways on all sorts of people. I never sat and considered how that would affect pattern making for clothes.
I'm truly appreciating how much work would go into figuring out non straight size patterns that would flatter a large array of people! I hope that pays well..sounds more talent reliant than anything else (being there's no way to simply calculate the answer)
Thanks for getting my noggin thinking on this sunny Sunday. Hope this response finds you well !
I'm really happy to know that I can help anyone to understand the factory and clothing production world more. To me, it is fascinating.
Here are just two other things that come to mind when thinking about how our access to fashion for the masses is dictated by the realities of factories:
About 10 years ago we started seeing ladies shirts in discount retailers like Ross and Marshall's with two front panels. Normally a shirt would have one front and one back panel. This happens sometimes due to human error. But these shirts were coming in by the thousands. Countries like China and Bangladesh have 3rd party factories that pay less than those in Malaysia and Sri Lanka, and they aren't willing to mantain the Quality Control, so they end up with thousands of mistake garments before any human notices, rather than just a few. The factory convinced a buyer for Marshall's that their stupid customers would think that these mistakes were a new style. It must have worked because some factories in Bangladesh now purposely make batches of shirts for Ross with two front panels. It is cheaper for them by a hair to use fewer component panels.
You may also remember when Victoria's Secret tried to convince everyone that the pushup bra was dead and that the bralette was now the thing. Previously their 3rd party factories were almost all in a town called Gampaha in Sri Lanka ('90s and early '00s). This town provided an excellent standard of bras with great QC. The seams didn't unravel after a few washes because some was done by machine but some by hand. Anything that wasn't perfect was burned!
Then Victoria's Secret was promised by someone with factories in Bangladesh that they could copy this standard for less than half the price. Of course, they didn't deliver, but the move had been made before the Bangladeshi company could prove long-term QC results. Bralettes have little structure and are easier to make for people who are new to sewing with no real technical skill. So that's how we got the bralette. Many other lingerie retailers followed suit to lower costs.
Finally, for the question about how much pattern-making earns: a senior pattern maker can easily earn US $50k-70k. Not bad if you are living in a country with a very low cost of living. I have lived in India, Pakistan, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Egypt and spent significant time in other places and it's a job in high demand. Much like housekeeping services in a hotel, the industry wants desperately to take out the human equation to save money and mechanize this role, but they can't!
@@RasheedahsWifeSchool This is absolutely FASCINATING. Seriously. I am very interested in historic clothing conservation (and also manuscript/book connservation), so the process by which contemporary clothing is made, advertised and sold is interesting to me. And pretty much anything utilizing detailed handwork in a time when everything that can possibly be done by machine, is, is always interesting to me.
May I ask, how did you like Egypt? It has been my lifelong dream to travel to Egypt and live there for at least a short time. Did you work in the garment industry while living there?
Yet another thing that affects what is sold in what stores is price per square foot. Every department (accessories, women's, men's, shoes etc) is measured by how profitable it is per foot it uses. The lady in the video thinks she understands retail more than Old Navy, which has managed to stay relevant and afloat through competition with Shein, multiple economy crashes etc.
It's less relevant but haul videos only show us what some CZcamsr bought to try on. It doesn't tell us what they kept. A lot of "influencers" buy stuff and return... even if they didn't, they are an insignificant market data point. Does this lady think that ON cut plus just to be mean? They have shareholders to answer to. They follow the almighty dollar. Dove and skincare companies can more easily get behind the body positive trend because anyone of any size can buy the same bottle of cream. But... dove still markets fairness cream to Indian girls and tells them on commercials that they won't get a job without lightening their skin. Most Western women who can't find their size are fine with the 3rd world country women being exploited as long as they can feel pretty.
Am I understanding something wrong here? Does she know that she doesn't HAVE to buy new clothes everytime she goes out with friends or goes to an interview??
I can't believe an earth shattering problem like this doesn't get more news coverage.
how can these people take basic supply and demand so personally 🤣
Have these women not heard of Walmart for clothes shopping or is that too beneath them? 🙄
"FA yells at clothing retailer" sure feels a lot like "Old man yells at cloud"....
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That lady really thinks half the country is a size 40.....
Where I live, very few people are morbidly obese. Yes, there are fat people (2xL-4xL) but most people here fit in straight size clothing. Where I live stores are ALWAYS sold out of mediums, have a few larges, and are never out of 2-4xLs I can fit in a small and half of my clothes are 2xL because that's usually the smallest that's ever in stores.
She deadass said she has trauma for not being able to buy “cute” clothes
I cant buy a tshirt at old navy im oppressed!!! 😒😒😭
You've literally NEVER "sent" anyone to go bash on these people 🙄
I actually went to Old Navy last week because I was finally able to get new clothes, it took forever to find stuff in my style that fit. I'm what is commonly known as a Mid-size (14-16) and almost everything in the store was either a 3X/4X L or an XS. Online wasn't any better with Ls and Ms always being out of stock. Fat Activists like to constantly bring up that "16 is the average size for a woman in the US." and now they are angry that Old Navy wants to go back to catering to that demographic.
In the 80s, sizes 14-16 were plus size, there was no “mid-sized”. No store even sold anything bigger than a size 16 outside of plus-sized stores.
Umm 16 is average
@@Maki-00well it's not the 80's and I'm like bigger than that and it's l to xl now
This is completely off topic but your voice and style of speech sound exactly like my therapist so it’s always kinda amusing cause I always imagine my therapist saying all this 😂
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Plot twist: she is actually your therapist.
They seriously think the universe revolves around them…
As someone who is classified as a triple zero now because of the fact that clothing is just getting bigger, I too can not shop anywhere in stores. I have to plan out my outfits in advance because no stores carry things for people my size.
Except for target, I will give them that. But they do not carry the double and triple zero in styles that I would necessarily wear, so I can't fault them for that.
I'd try to do some online shopping from European brands that cut more true to size (for example H&M, Zara, Mango, Topshop).
@@trixi1608 Even the places that are true to size, my waist is 50cm or about 20 inches, brands just don't carry clothes with a waist that size, and hips big enough to fit. Child sizes fit in the waist, but they're a serious squeeze. I always end up having to tailor my clothes. I'm just not in the range of average or normal sizes, and that's okay.
@@gabrielleg5554 Ah ok, I see. A 50cm waist is real small and even a EU32 or EU34 will then be too big around the waist.
@@trixi1608 Haha, yeah, I'm also pretty short, so I end up shortening the hem and taking in the waist. Which is why I totally understand the "stores don't carry my size" problem. But that's life when you are outside the normal sizes. My best friend is 173cm, pretty tall for a girl and clothes just don't fit her right. Too short on the ankle and wrist. We are the odd ones out ^~^
interesting how FAs align themselves with groups that are oppressed for race/sexual orientation/etc. but the issues they are fighting for are almost always related to matters of convenience and feelings rather than actual safety or human rights
Oh no sizes don’t fit when we’re younger? It’s so annoying to hear them talk about that as a problem. Tall or shorter people have this problem too but you don’t see us throwing a fit over it.
...and even IF you wouldnt do anything in your life outside of youtube, you are doing the lords work on here. Your content brightens my day every damn time you upload. Helps and motivates me a lot!
15:15 That flush is going exactly where her opinions belong.
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Completely.
This conspiratorial mindset is bewildering.
Like you said, ON prob invested a huge amount $ into creating, stocking, and marketing this campaign. They’re a corp so they obviously wanted it to be profitable. Why would they have even started the campaign if they were “fatphobic”? And why would they pull the plug if it was profitable?
The only thing that makes sense is they tried something to make money, it didn’t work very well, so they’re scaling it back to cut their losses. That’s all. The mental gymnastics here… just crazy.
Why are these people buying clothes so often? Like do they literally only buy two pieces of clothing at a time? If I have a job interview, there is clothes currently in my closet to wear. I get wanting to jazz up your wardrobe for a special occasion, but they act like everyone else can magically find what fits them nicely by going to one location. I often have to shop in the kids section because I'm short with a small frame. I often can't find something that's within my style of choice, looks good without being overly baggy, and go online to purchase clothes. Even then, I don't find myself needing to buy clothes every week like these people seem to feel the need to do.
Why is she talking to an old navy social media manager like they're the CEO 😭
"No last minute interviews, no last minute dinners" who on earth buys an entirely new outfit every single time they go out to a dinner, or out for a special occasion?
Companies aren't going to lie and say something isn't profitable when it is. Their whole existence is to make a profit so if the plus size clothing above a certain size was actually making money they would continue to stock it. So yea, it basically shows that there isn't a big enough of a market for it.
Also, they take any comment that is a criticism and call it a hate comment. Just because someone is calling out your BS doesn't make it a hate comment. If you post things on a public platform you have to expect criticism.
Out here making Excel spreadsheets. Can't.
I'm not buying the thing about the baby sizes being the same. Maybe it was just that brand or a manufacturer's error, but I worked in the clothing department at Target for six years-two as a team lead- and I spent DAYS doing nothing but folding baby clothes. Worst department because of how great the difference was between a 12-month and a 5t was. If you didn't sort it right the stack would topple over.
Lol, how is she talking to ON as if its just some guys who made this decision and not a nation wide marketing team, sales team and directors/managers who carefully looked at the numbers? Im pretty sure the company is aware of the sales number instore vs online
What I'm about to say may come off harsh but if they would lose the weight this wouldn't be a problem.
I'm tired of tiptoeing around people, there's no reason for you to weigh more than 300 lb.
I said the same a few weeks ago. I said about 99% of the adult population probably is at a healthy weight somewhere between 100 lbs to 300, making room for major height discrepancies and body shapes. If you are over that you are probably overweight.
Girl, leave Old Navy alone! They're just not into you!