Thieaudio Oracle MKII Live Review, Meze 109 Pro Discussion, Resolve Q&A
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00:00 - Thieaudio Oracle II Review
19:30 - Meze 109 Pro Discussion
47:00 - General Q&A
I really like how that headband fits perfectly to the roundness of your head.
The 109 EQ tuning you suggest is really good, many thanks!
This was a fun one!
The new design for the Oracle imho is quite appealing indeed, also somewhat nostalgic: kinda reminds the looks of a brand of asian ocarinas (Focalink / Stein) that was popular years ago, it has that pretty similiar brownish, burnt-wood glossy look.
Loving my Meze Pros
Hey Andrew , great video though. Missed your live stream due to timing differences. My question is, how is 109 pro compared to HD650? Yes HD 650 works wonders with tubes but in terms of the treble , soundstaging , fast attack and decay and the reasonable bass quantity but of course doesn’t have the slam and impact I feel the 109 pro is much better in those performances. But of course HD650 has that better warm, lush midrange and amazing vocal detail plus natural timbre that is hard to beat .
More of a iem than headphone person.
That said I've got say that I am loving the meze pros.
Super comfortable and love the sound.
Great recommendation.
Ugh, I'm so bummed I missed this!
Really surprised about the Neumann NDH30 comment. I just tested it and I'd describe it as an HD600 upgrade with pretty good bass and good soundstage on top. Great tonality and technicals fitting the price. Maybe I need to directly compare to the HD600-series.
Ok, I've heard the impedance/sensitivity come up a lot in this video as a gripe. Have you tried something like Ifi's IEMatch? Or any other attenuator? Ifi's has two modes and one is quite strong because it's designed for IEMs. This just may change your life here if you haven't considered or tried one.
It would be good if you could review the Ananda stealth at some point. Currently Wave Theory is the only one I can find who has reviewed it.
I own both iems. The mk2 sounds like it has less soundstage to me. The oracle mk1 is much more spatious to me. The details seem higher though on mk2. I find metal and rock more enjoyable one mk1. Mk2 sounds flat as a piece of paper. It isnt boring though, its just doing what it is supposed to do.
Which one would you suggest out of the two for someone who likes listening to kpop music and fps gaming?
@@anotherjustyy well both are amazing. If you want better bass and higher detail go with the mk2. But I prefer wider soundstage because the mk2 can be a bit narrow. Mk1 for gaming for sure. But both work well for gaming I just think mk1 is better for that. Soundstage is super important to me. Not so much for music.
@@seans5159 Thank you! Really appreciate it!
@@seans5159 for me the Oracle MK2 sounds hissy, lots of 'sshh' sounds in female vocals, the OG had completely smooth vocals hence I wasn't expecting such tuning changes, sold the MK2 after 2 weeks.
@@anotherjustyy
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Wonder how the Oracle MK2 compares to the DUNU SA6, in terms of nozzle comfort & overall sound 🤔 Oh, he answers that at 15:00🦻
I bought the 109 pro good match with Cayin RU6 USB R2R dac and a good OCC copper cable.. is good enough for me
Now I'm torn between the Meze 109 Pro, the Ollo Audio S5X, the Neumann NDH 30 and the Austrian Audio Hi-X65 and of course can't decide which one to buy...
If you had to live on a desert island just before doomsday, which one of these would you take with you?
109 could be a good purchase for me. I work from home and wear headphones for about 6 hrs every day. Comfort is the biggest factor for me these days. I can’t wear audeze/rad 0 all day as my neck hurts. I mostly use the u12t out of my hugo2 or wa8 at the moment
A baby's cry is between 5 and 8.5 Khz (usually closer to 5.5 to 6.8 Khz). And biologically we have a physical, anatomical, and neural configuration that pre-conditions us to attend / listen / notice especially those frequencies.🎧
You look better without a cap on your head!
Hi Andrew, did you end up applying any EQ for the 109 Pros? If so, I’d love to know what you did. Thanks!
He mentions that he did EQ it but didn’t say if he was sharing the EQ profile anywhere online
here ya go buddy :
Preamp: -4 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 10 dB Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 21 dB Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 3: ON LS Fc 83 Gain 2.5 Q 1.41
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 200 Gain -1.5 Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 524 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1350 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2000 Gain 3.5 Q 2.5
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 3000 Gain -2.5 Q 2
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 7000 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 4510 Gain 0 Q 3
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 8000 Gain -1 Q 1.41
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 12000 Gain -3 Q 1.41
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 20000 Gain 0 Q 2.99
@@davidcoons89
if you have eagle eye vision you see it at min 39 and 37 seconds
Preamp: -4 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 10 dB Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 21 dB Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 3: ON LS Fc 83 Gain 2.5 Q 1.41
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 200 Gain -1.5 Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 524 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1350 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2000 Gain 3.5 Q 2.5
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 3000 Gain -2.5 Q 2
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 7000 Gain 0 Q 1.41
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 4510 Gain 0 Q 3
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 8000 Gain -1 Q 1.41
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 12000 Gain -3 Q 1.41
Filter 13: ON PK Fc 20000 Gain 0 Q 2.99
@@adriangpuiu thanks for catching that and sharing! Much appreciated!
@@davidcoons89 👍🏿
Could you show us frequency responses using different types of ears ? Thanks for the stream.
Yeah, so that's once the new rig shows up. And some headphones change more than others, which is interesting to learn about.
@@ResolveReviews sound great 👍
You mentioned the Qudelix 5K again in this video. This little device does not get talked about enough. So much capability in a very tiny form. My new 64 Audio Nio don't need much EQ, but using them with the 5K is pure mobile audio magic.
You need to go on reddit... It's talked about constantly there!
ive read some reviews saying that the 5k sounds cold and analytical, whats your exerience with it?
@@SileDevil I don't hear it that way. I think people who come from other dongles or DACs are perhaps hearing the lack of distortion in the Q5K. Or maybe not volume matching? Does it sound thinner than my desktop amps ?Yes. But compared to other similar portables, I don't hear much difference. Even when I compared it to something way more expensive like my ifi Gryphon it didn't lack weight in the music. As long as it has enough power for whatever you are running (Most IEMs) it is a great little powerhouse. And the only way to get the equivalent included EQ features is something like the RME ADI-2 series.
for curiosity do edition xs sound better than the variation iem in comparison headphone vs iem ??????? APPRECIATE FOR THE ANSWER THANK YOU !
Silly question: How does this compare to the Beyer T1 1st gen? Thanks!
Where would the 109 go on your Headphone Tier Ranking List?
do own the Obravo Cupid but it is truly not the best planar IEM ever. That was just responding to your comment about buyer’s confirmation bias. Maybe the RaptGo hook is the best but how can I tell after having bought that too? 🙂
I'm so hyped to get that Empire Odyssey in, after hearing it at CanJam. That might be the IEM for me.
@@ResolveReviews I own the Odin and really love it. Do you think the Odyssey might be an appreciable improvement?
@@GadZookz Might be the perfect middle ground I'm looking for - hard to know though without listening for a longer period of time. Suuuper technical though.
@@ResolveReviews PLEASE get it (odyssey) in and review it. I trust your ears the most. So many iem users like bright and shouty preferences that I’ve been burned in the past spending money on recs that ended up being fatiguing and unlistenable.
16:38 / 17:18
The moment of truth 👍
Around 47:00 General Q&A starts
I wonder if there's a price drop coming in the future for the 109. I really think it would've been a hit at 6 or 650. Probably won't go below 7 for a long time, if ever, though.
I just bought them today with a black friday promo for about 660$ (25% off, in Poland)
A, For $800, why would I have to buy a Balanced cable? Yours truly any Balanced Amp.
Anyone, in a nutshell Oracle mk2?
Hi Andrew, if you owned a Susvara and had an unlimited amount of money, would you buy a ZMF Verite open back (if you didn't own one) as a complementary headphone for rock music and any music with a beat? Or would you only want to listen to the Susvara and wouldn't want to listen to the Verite at all?
I would go utopia for the most punch/dynamism as a complement. If you're going to go verite, I'd suggest going closed.
@@ResolveReviews Thank you. I heard the Utopia at CanJam and had a strong preference for the Susvara. I really liked the sound of the Verite open and I liked it more than the closed Verite. I wasn't sure if I get the Verite open and hear it side by side with the Susvara if I would use both or eventually prefer the Susvara and stop listening to the Verite.
Why not Sennheiser HE-1 if money is no object?
@@wiesolos or Warwick Aperio lol
Being able to proof that a target is bad with Crin's new collab? That's a sketchy preview xD
It's like anything else. Some want a Honda Civic and some want a Maserati. Lots of people that can easily afford a super-car don't buy them. Lots of people drive 10-year-old Civic with 200k miles but have $80k sound systems. Some people buy a new iPhone every September. I don't get it. ;)
"Warmer in the treble"? You're confusing 'dark' with 'warm'. Elevated upper bass to lower midrange = warm. Recessed treble: dark.
No, the 109 is both elevated in the upper bass and elevated in the upper treble. So think of it is as a mild 'v-shape'
i hear bright and am instantly turned off. Loved all the 109 reviews so far but the moment i heard that word in this video i start to having doubts on getting these.
Oracle mk2 or invest some more and get the monarch mk2?
Well, in many cases, the reference product is not the "best" in turns of its tonality (i.e. 64audio Tia Forte vs. U12T or even U6T) Monarch MK2's tonality is good(correct) but I wouldn't say it's worth the extra vs. Oracle. It's more resolving for sure, but it's not necessarily a good thing if you want to listen for a long session. Plus, Monarch MK2 is LARGE - keep that in mind if you want to purchase it without trying it in person at first. I think Oracle is BETTER if you want to own a pair and use it for long-listening sessions. To me, Monarch MKII is like an addition to my collection. I randomly pick it up and listen to a few songs until my ear feels the pain 😂
Are the Oracle MK2 nozzles as big as the Monarch MK2’s?
The idea that less than 1000 ears could be used to define the best and most desirable frequency response is amusing. Particularly when the majority of those ears belonged to Harman employees.
less than half the world is democratic. sure thats how the scientific method works.
Yes, please no one buy the DT1990’s…let me have my favorite headphones of all time at $549 and the rest of you kids can overhype the $799 109Pro and $999 Pro Primals. For transparency, I do own the 109 Primals, but literally only because Resolve here said they had the same “warm-bright” sound signature as the Beyers and that they had more openess and soundstage compared to similar HP in its pricepoint.
So I basically got these as a close backup to my beloved 1990s. I was even considering a second pair of 1990’s at one time, but then the 109 Primals came out and I had to try them out.
I’m still burning the 109s in, and out of the box, I was a little underwhelmed but understandably, I expected that because I knew they would not be the 1990’s as far as resolution, airyness, and articulation. To me they remind me of the Philips Fidelio X1s tuning which have amazing treble extension and width with a good bass rumble and warm lush sound (imagine a headphone tuning that sounds like its hooked up to a tube amp, but stock -warm, smooth, but open and sparkly). For me, the Meze 109s sit somewhere in between the brighter DT1990s and the tubey sounding Fidelio X1s. Except, to my ears, the DT1990s share the best of all these characteristcs (still not as wide as the X1s, but I still consider them a wide headphone).
Now I’m looking at the ZMF Atrium or Verite open. The only thing holding me back is I want to upgrade my piano to an acoustic baby grand or upright (about $20k+) as my piano right now is about $2.5K and as a general rule, I try to keep my headphones under the cost of my current piano, just arbitrarily. Cause I mean, you can do a lot of other things in life for $3 thousand dollars than just sit around and listen to recordings. Then again, who knows how long these ZMF models will be around. It’s a constant weighing of the scales. And again what if, I actually am let down by more expensive headphones than the DT1990’s? I might just be happy and content with my Beyers and invest it in a better tube amp for it and still have money for a spare DT1990…all interesting comparisons. As always, I enjoyed the video!
they sound like crap, good bass but mush in mids/hights. Returned them after 1 week
Like all meze headphones its style over substance
Headphones by themselves are not shouty. It's always a combination of the headphones and the music you're listening to.
That's like saying the knife is not sharp until you stab someone with it
@@bluemonstrosity259 if you bring a table knife to a knife fight and you lose because the knife wasn't sharp enough then you've used the wrong knife.
@@bluemonstrosity259 no if the mastering engineer put a lot of upper mid range in the song and you find it shouty on a 6XX but you find it perfect on a LCD-X it doesn't mean the 6xx is a shouty headphone. It just means the 6xx wasn't the right headphone for that song.
Tell me that meze is not for you! I will unsubscribe from the channel
Usually like your reviews but its obvious you don't like the meze sound in general and you are biased.
Not sure how you got that I don't like the 109 from this. Just because it's not at the top of value for sound quality doesn't mean it isn't something that's enjoyable. As I said in this stream, it's a headphone I'd personally consider owning - in fact I'd choose the 109 pro over a number of headphones that cost $4000+. But it's important to recognize where it fits as far as sound quality is concerned.
@@ResolveReviews Same, and I went in person and personally compared them myself!
I can't stand the ugly spoke design, it looks horrible.