Tuxedo Computers teases Snapdragon X Elite Prototype Linux Laptop!
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- At Computex 2024 there was some very exciting news. There is a Tuxedo prototype laptop powered by the Snapdragon X Elite 12 Core ARM Processor.
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The prototype is built in a premium all-aluminium body, and a weight of just 1.36 kg. Its 14-inch display features a 2560 x 1600 resolution (16:10), with 400 nits maximum brightness, and 100% sRGB coverage. The SoC is wired to 32 GB of LPDDR5X memory, and storage is in the form of an M.2-2280 Gen 4 slot. Given the platform’s low TDP, Tuxedo has given this a lightweight 50 Wh battery. Connectivity includes USB4 and HDMI. The company is working on a Linux distribution and software support package that ensures every hardware component on the platform is fully exposed and supported by the OS, which is why the company considers this still a prototype.This is huge news because up to this point, Windows has been the only platform being discussed by major hardware vendors…Tuxedo is making themselves more and more of a standout Linux device supplier and if they can get this to market it will make a big splash with the geeks like us
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Finally, an ARM laptop with the control key in the correct position.
Technically the Acorn A4 was the first, it even launched 3 years before ARM Linux appeared in 1995, though with only 4MB of memory you were limited to consoles, and there was much thrashing of swap if you tried to compile a kernel. In 1995 you needed just 8MB of physical memory to launch X11, not the 8GB you require today, and 640x480 or 800x600 were your typical resolutions, and thought acceptable.
@@AndrewRoberts11 Very interesting. Thanks!
what is funny is that probably microsoft forced the layout of keyboards on all "copilot" notebooks, because even lenovo has correct position of ctrl and fn. Probably the first thing that microsoft did good by forcing something, lol.
I wonder if Framework will be coming out with ARM motherboards
That would be very interesting to see what happens with framework, I bet it’s more of a *when* they do it versus an *if* :) -Michael
Having everything soldered to the motherboard like it is on ARM devices goes against Framework's ideology of upgradeability, so not sure if we will see one anytime soon unless they will start developing their own ARM mobo's with upgreadable RAM & storage... which probably won't happen
No one is forcing framework to solder the ram, soldered ram on arm is a conscious choice not a necessity, for example the snapdragon x elite use lpddr5x, and now there is a standard for replaceable high speed memory that framework has no excuse not to use @@Sithhy
@@voinea12CAMM2 exists
They announced a RISC-V board coming soon. (better than ARM in terms of openness)
Haven't watched you in a few years but both your production and presentation have really improved since then, so congrats!
Welcome back! Thanks for the feedback and feel free to stick around this time 😁
Calling 1080 dull is a very face palm comment, especially when this video is uploaded in 1080. This being someone whos been working enterprise environment and used both 1080 and 4k monitors on custom high end hardware as well as basic consumer hardware
We were talking about 1080p (the standard baseline) being shipped in laptops costing more than $1,200. A laptop with a reasonable price tag coming with 1080p is totally fine. Though I will say touché on the part of the video being in 1080p, that’s a fair hit lol - Michael
@@DestinationLinux Hat to tip my fedora at that part, and I get that. Personally unless I am using a macbook which is one of the devices my work gives me (along with a cluster of 4090s running ubuntu server on them) I just don't find much value to me wanting above 1080p on a laptop.
In my experience I tend to just see too many people tell someone they need ... in order to do this or that and just ends up encouraging people to overspend. That being said if any linux distro (which I've tried too many to count on my hands and toes) wants to strike a contract with manufacturers and produce a device that gets comparable to apple battery life and also has a 4k monitor ill applaud
8:39 Architecture is a very important point. And, I suspect that this is the reason why Intel wants to get rid of 16/32 bit with the new "x86s" architecture
I'm still running an old (2012) Sony Vaio, with an intel Core i7-3620 (2.20GHz up to 3.20GHz), 16GB RAM, and a 1699x900 touch display.🤓 It had a 1TB hard drive, but I upgraded it to an SSD, and added the additional 8GB Ram (They actually had 8 on a single one of two modules, leaving one open!), and it still runs great with Arch and KDE! I can also still upgrade the processor too, as it's in a socket, not soldered on, and neither is the battery... it's all serviceable!🥳🐧🥳🐧🥳🐧
Waiting for Mini PC and tablets with snap CPU
OLED tends to have worse, not better, battery life.
Going with dark mode can help a bit.
50wh is a tad too small since 70wh is standard for new Windows laptops coming out. We don't want people to blame Linux for shorter battery life compared to competition.
it would be nice if system76 jumped on board too and help normalize the prices for linux arm laptops
but why only 14 inch and 50-60 wh?
Does anyone know how or when we will see ARM supporting USB 5? Basically looking if we will somehow be able to use eGPUs on those new Snapdragon laptops. In the meantime would be nice to see some laptops with Oculink like Lenovo is doing with the Thinkbook 14 Gen 6 +
16 inch 4k at 200% scaling can be good.
I plan to dual-boot my Yoga 7X
I am a casual user pretty much so 1080p is nice to me because it is cheap but I wouldn't mind more affordable panels with higher resolutions.
More important here is tho that we may finally get an ARM based Linux laptop that is actually good.
Is Tuxedo going to come with Box86/Box64 out of the box since they using an ARM CPU instead of their usual x86 laptops?
There’s no word on this just yet but I’d bet it’s something they are considering - Michael
There's very little need for that.
i'm curious if they will make their own arm64 version if their distro, or fork Linaro which is a dedicated arm64 and Snapdragon distro
This is what I'm waiting. An ARM powered Linix laptop. I don't need that copilot bloat in windows
Is everything possible with that arm linux? Like, can i install steam and play games via proton etc?
Not yet but you can use other translation layers to achieve that
Higher resolution LCDs use more Power because the area needed to connect the pixels vs. the pixels area it self gets worse. So a higher resolution LCD with the same size blocks more light and you need a brighter backlight. Setting the used resolution lower does not realy help
Ryan did say this essentially but OLED doesn’t have to push all the pixels at full power at once so that should save battery life wouldn’t it? - Michael
That's correct. Comparing LCDs to OLEDs is something different. But the Backlight LEDs of an LCD are way more efficient than organic LEDs. If you do not like "dark mode" the difference is not as big one could hope.
Arm processors are cheaper and more efficient than x86.
Q: How many TOPS can Vatican's middle mgmt currently do, and would Jesus replace them with an entry level RISC V or ARM processor?
شي حلو بس ليت يكون شاشته اوليد و تكون حوافها صغيرة و كامرته وينة زي الماك و بطاريته زينه زي مثلا لابتوب اسوس فيفو بوك الي يقعد 18 ساعة لأنه سناب دراغون و و يكون تبريده زين حتى لو انه مو لابتوب العاب و يخلون جسم اللاب معدني بالكامل و يكون كيبورده فخم مثلا ما يكون بلاستيك يكون زي المعدن و لو يكون مكانيكي اووووووووووف و طلع في خوينا ابو دقن مايكل تونل ارحب
2K is almost like fullhd
I really don't care having a 1080p display for a laptop, I only want a 15" display @ high refresh rate and a more than decent windows games compatibility, once I see one, I'll buy it.
8:40 to be fair if zou pay a premium to support linux companies then you shouldnt expect premium quality, because that would mean you are NOT paying it to support linux manufactureres. Although you should at least get good quality. Im also writing this on my new Tuxedo Pulse 14 Gen 4 and I feel like its the perfect laptop for the price and way better then other linux manufacturer (looking at price and modern hardware)
Actually GPUs are built on Arm and other circuitry.
Isn't 2K on a 14" monitor overkill ? Unless you are on KDE...
The user can always just lower the resolution output if they want. I would rather have higher quality screen and lower if needed than otherwise. Though it’s kind of sad GNOME users are still waiting for real fractional scaling at this point - Michael
It's not at least when it comes to rendering text/fonts. At higher resolutions you can drop subpixels and still get beautiful text.
They are: their own OS (Tuxedo OS) is basically a modified KUbuntu. But I don't really get why KDE would need a higher resultion compare to others like Gnome, care to explain?
It is overkill. I've got a laptop with a 14" 1080p screen & it's more than enough sharp at closer distances, nevermind a typical laptop usage distance
I disagree. OLED requires more power on a laptop than an equivalent LCD backlight. You might get more battery only if you use dark mode all the time, but that's not likely for most people.
RISC vs CISC has nothing to do with it.
CISC CPUs are in fact RISC under the hood with a hardware interpreter. Only reason they didn't ditch the CISC interface
is because of backwards compatibility.
ARM is simply built and optimized after mobile devices, that was their focus for so long, and that's why it outclasses x86 on laptops, it's just a much more mature ecosystem for battery powered devices.
Sure it has to do with RISC vs CISC! The hardware interpreter you mention means that Intel and AMD still aren’t getting the power efficiency of running a *native* RISC architecture like ARM or RISC-V. Sure, they’re *executing* RISC instructions, but they’re also being *fed* CISC instructions. That hardware interpretation adds overhead.
@@justalawngnome7404 The hardware interpretation also takes up alot of die space, reducing core density. If you want to pack alot of x86 cores in one cpu, you have to compromise on performance and offer lower clocks
@@Agam-xq4zq Absolutely. Just because the hardware interpretation has allowed x86 to kick the can down the road a few *decades* longer than would have otherwise been possible, it's still crazy to suggest that "RISC vs CISC has nothing to do with it."
It's not maturity. Intel has been making mobile CPUs just as long as ARM.
@@justalawngnome7404 Sure it does!
You have to ask yourself though, does it make enough of a difference to justify the gap in battery life between the two? I am no expert but I will make a guess given what I know and I will say that no it doesn't justify the gap.
If I remember any fun fact at all from the classes I took in computer architecture back at uni, it is the historical advancements ARM made before x86 in battery powered devices.
The introduction of light(efficient) branch predictors paired with fat(performance) branch predictors, wrapped by a third branch predictor making guesses which of the two is the better option for the given branch.
Based on this, I assume that ARM made the first steps towards superior battery performance, and has been the overall goal of the general community surrounding ARM.
If the other commenter is right to state that intel has been equally long in this market, it still doesn't say a lot to me. Being equally long in same market doesn't mean that equal resources were spent on its development. You also have to account for the overall performance of each company, the fact that today's x86 processors are outmatched by arm processors in battery life doesn't necessarily mean that it's an architecture flaw. It might only just mean that the companies behind it, intel and AMD, weren't competent enough, or did not focus as much in battery powered devices.
Finally I take into consideration the licensing situation. Only Intel and AMD make x86 processors as far as I am aware.
On the other hand, arm processors have been an effort of multiple companies. Apple, Cadence, Google, Samsung, TSMC among others.
Finally, as an embedded developer myself, working in low power processors for smart devices, I am aware of the importance the software itself poses on battery performance. It once again makes me think that an OS stack built entirely from scratch to run on weak battery powered processors would be superior to desktop OSes that were originally built for desktop devices.
This is pretty much a summary of what I think really matters for battery efficiency. I'd love to be educated with facts if you think I am wrong because you know more about this, happy to hear :).
The RISC vs CISC argument is bogus. ARM is more efficient not because of RISC but because of architectural decisions and priorities. And no RISC architecture has stayed true to the RISC philosophy as they've needed to compete with high end processors - definitely not PPC, nor ARM, but it's not important. Because both AMD and Intel are using what is basically RISC microarchitectures with a CISC instruction set as a line compression.
This 1080p argument irritates me. The GPU processing cost for running anything above 1080p is significant, while the quality difference per step up is very negligible. 1080p to 1440p is nearly doubling the amount of pixels, which with the exponential cost curve means you're probably spending three to four times as much processing on those graphics. I'd much rather have a couple higher resolution screens when I dock at home, increasing my pixels that way, than spend unnecessary battery power on unneeded graphics calculations when about.
Also irritates me about modern websites. I used to run browser half-width on 720p, and the web in 2009 on my former laptop would work fine with the rare exception, usually because of flash use. I'm running half width 1080p right now on my 2017 laptop (used to be three side by side panes, but my eyes are getting older...), and about half the websites don't cope with that any longer - not because of technical failures, but because the designers didn't care to check or adapt to either higher scaling factors (Sure my TV is 4k. Do I want the same number of pixels to represent a character at that resolution as my computer screen, despite me sitting five metres away?) or reasonable width non-maximised windows.
X86 requires a huge amount of circuitry to do that conversion. It burns a lot of power and adds a lot of inefficiency to the pipeline.
I just want to have a laptop with the build quality of a macbook air or a surface laptop running Linux. With these Linux laptops manufacturers there is always a tradeoff. You can have nice specs but the build quality sucks. You can have a somewhat good build quality (again nothing like microsoft or apple) but the specs or the battery life sucks. Maybe with this laptop Tuxedo can change this but I highly doubt it. We have to wait and see.
I need 17 inch screen in a laptop. If it's less I won't buy it for sure.
Apple didn't stump PC. The Mac Notebooks costs 3 times as much.
apple is too closed ecosystem.
nice hat
New windows laptops are a joke, with all this fake AI spyware BS.
I'm thinking those new Snapdragon laptops with Recall is not going to sell very well even though Microsoft now say's it will be opt-in. It's already been proven you don't need arm for recall also so we will see recall coming to x86-64 within 6 months or so. Now I would love to get one of those snapdragons in a desktop environment to play with in Gentoo as I hate lapcraps in general though they do have their uses in portability.
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