Snapdragon CoPilot+ Laptops: You’ve Been Misled... Again
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► Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:21 Introducing Jen, Varun, and Taylor
00:51 Performance for Casual Users
01:44 Fan Noise & Heat During Casual Use
02:02 What Applications Work
02:29 What Peripherals Work
03:01 Issues
04:00 Performance for Professionals & Specialists
07:32 Specialist Application Compatibility
09:31 Linux
10:07 Gamers & Power Users
10:32 AI
11:01 Conclusion
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Amazing to finally have a reviewer with consistent focus on software development workloads across multiple devices.
Also Alex Ziskind
I think some of macbook advantages are from integrated design, which Microsoft and especially its partners have trouble replicating. For example, I bet that even the displays on macbooks have higher-than-average-efficiency LEDs. You can do that when your product line is limited so you have very high LCD volumes. The MacBooks skimp on memory and that saves A LOT of power. But as a result, they go to extreme lengths to un-do the RAM shortages and provide enough memory (like virtual memory and in-memory compressed virtual memory) to try to un-do the losses from skimping on RAM. Most importantly, Macs just don't have power profiles. They are efficient ALL the time, not when you shift gears into low-power mode, and that REALLY MATTERS A LOT. Overall, it seems the ex-server chips from Nuvia that Qualcomm is using for its snapdragon products are not nearly as power-efficient as Mac in-house-designed M1-M4 chips, probably 10-15% less efficient. So the snapdragons are 10-15% more efficient than x86, but 10-15% less efficient than ARM. And the snapdragons have EXCELLENT low-power video decoding so video playback is almost 3x longer than x86 machines.
@@systemBuilder Skimping on memory definitely does NOT save power as it has to compensate by constantly compressing data and swapping to and from SSD. All of that obviously consumes more so it wastes power if anything.
i could never buy a laptop without seeing joshes opinion it
I'm paying the price. I bought this over an iPad thinking that this would have more compatibility with audio applications. 😂
@@sasmitha8446There’s probably a lot of USB devices without the right drivers :/ Not sure how long it would take.
Could you buy a desktop?
@@sasmitha8446 you're still in the return period
@@mechanicalmonk2020 i mean i already have the knowledge required to get the parts
This is the most in depth overview of the Snapdragon laptops I've seen since launch. Thank you for this! As an architect, I am a little more confident with these devices but usability would be better if these mature more next year.
Always buy 2nd generation of anything. I've decided to wait for Surface Pro 12 with X Elite 2.
If lunar lake delivers I think you should stay on x86 why put on Jeopardy your work?
@@jorge86rodriguez I already have my PC for that, I just need a laptop that has good battery life haha
I'm an ex-Microsoft employee (retired) and I've not enjoyed the (other) apple-using tech journalist take on Snapdragon laptops. HOWEVER, in the case of Josh, in this video, I have to give him a big THUMBS UP! I own the Surface Laptop 7, and for my needs (casual + light software dev) it is lifechanging, but it might not work for others, depending on what their use cases are. Josh did a great job on this review! I hope that things improve over time, as they did with Apple Silicon (M1), but as of right now, Josh's take is spot on. Great job, Josh and team!
Because you are biased?
@@MichaelGGarry The poster was at least polite enough to list their bias. What's your excuse?
What does being an ex-Microsoft employee have anything to do with your experience?
@@MichaelGGarry Uh, yeah! That's what I was pointing out at the beginning. I worked for Microsoft and still thought that his review was fair and balanced. I thought that was clear by admitting my bias and still applauding his review. I wish that he was wrong, and that the devices were perfect, but as of this date, they are not. Just as he pointed out.
@@maxweinbach3996 Acknowledging my implicit bias (because I am), but still appreciated his fair & accurate review.
I too find the Surface Laptop to be the most compelling of the new Snapdragon lineup, and for the casual user it most likely boil down to which OS is preferred.
no its not
The Lenovo is better
I like the Samsung for its great integration with my other Samsung devices. But I realize not everyone is in that boat.
Another great option is the Book4 Edge, since is the only one that supports the top SKU of the X Elite
You need a $1,000 machine for casual things? My Chromebook does just fine in Casual Video Playing.
Clicked as soon as the video appeared on my feed.. You guys are the best
This guy is amazing he bought these laptops with his own money 😳 and did a fair review highlighting the positives and negatives too!
He's a legend
@@IvoPavlikhe’ll be returning them right after the video lol
Thank you Josh and team! Your honesty and straight forwardness is highly appreciated
The most honest review I've watched so far! Thank you for being the honest voice of reason for consumers
You got it
@@JustJoshTechthank you for your work it really helps
It's much appreciated to see an honest evaluation of the laptops, well done! I had to laugh about the female Netflix/office and two male power users though...
It's even more funnier because I'm eyeing to purchase a snapdragon laptop for my wife for her simple browsing use-case. Whereas I am a software developer who uses docker and other development tools mentioned, so I will stick to AMD/Intel laptops for now. 😂
Thanks for the review. Much more nuance video with the target user group and respective user experience for different user cases. Did see a whole bunch x elite laptop reviews from multiple channels already. This one is not among the first wave of reviews, but is the best and most informative review so far.
Thanks!
Cudos to the graphics in this video, the visuals are very nice and streamlined :)
Wow, thanks for the indepth testing and infromative video! Loved the live stream as well.
Snapdragon X Elite delivers exceptional performance, but improvements are needed for the engineering software and GPU.
yup, people laugh at arc igpu (me as well), but it turns out it's even better than this :/.
no one's gonna buy a 1000 dollar laptop that can only play games at 36 fps 😢
because of the x86 translation, those programs need to get ported to work on ARM and they will work much better, I think.
@@efeloteishe4675 Which isn't going to happen...
@@cosmicreaverkassadin1143 I still find it hilarious that people pay anything at all for a laptop to play games on them. Sure, maybe if you're on travel and it's all you got...
Developers are not in a rush because Microsoft did not commit to ARM. It’s just a side project and everyone is just waiting to see how it goes, including consumers and developers. Sheer poison for sales.
Agreed. Windows won’t allow developers to code binary directly to ARM CPU. MSFT wants TurboTax, Citrix, AutoCad, & so on to go through the Windows store. Garbage move!!!
What, I think they are basically all in on arm. They haven't released a consumer intel product this year! Surface pro 10 was a business limited production with no marketing.
bullshit. Microsoft is all in on ARM so much so that Intel looks like a Motorola right now.
@@tringuyen7519 Either they'll back track on this move or just fail with arm, again.
source?
there haven't been so many apps ported to arm in a long time
Review is spot on. I bought a surface laptop 7 after returning a MacBook Air. I use it for media consumption, misc business tasks, file management on local server shares and a lot of remote connections to other computers. I love it so far. I realized that most of the things I do are cloud based or on other servers. I don’t need a laptop that does heavy lifting. And battery life has been night and day vs other windows laptops.
But it’s not a gaming pc and there’s definitely growing pains with software compatibility. I appreciate a review that can convey that without trashing what the devices are.
Office work tasks are "professional" tasks. Perhaps what you were looking for was media creation tasks, which are important and professional, but not inherently more so than somebody who lives in desktop publishing suites or project management software.
Exactly what I thought!
I agree 100 per percent and is a serious blind spot in many reviews
You're correct. I didn't even realized that. I think he wanted/meant that office work tasks are low to medium in "heavyness" or "demandingness". As in, as a benchmark, they're not overly useful for determining how powerful a CPU is. Hence the need to put them in a separate category.
There are so many professions and "professional" tasks - given what you know now, how do you differentiate the varieties? Josh's approach is valid to me and not quite misleading as he explains the typical office work apps.
@@xiangli2452 I can guarantee that every company uses Office, and just a very small % of professionals are making videos.
Excellent review. This channel always puts tremendous effort and care into their work
Josh has been testing these laptops for 10 days. I knew that the next video would give a total review about the laptops. Turned out it isn't as great as it seemed. I'll be waiting for the Intel Lunar Lake chips.
Thanks Josh, you are my fav laptop and now also business channel. I only trust your advise.
yup, Lunar Lake it will be for me as well :).
Hi. Can you tell why is so many people waiting for Lunar lake? Are they gonna make some very significant jump? I am gonna purchase a meteor lake laptop soon (confused between Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i or Ideapad pro 5), but people waiting for Lunar lake are making me nervous.
Idk about the performance uplifts but wait for a while if u can@@narutokunn
@@narutokunn I would wait for Lunar Lake. I believe it's faster, and most important more energy efficient
@@narutokunn uses a more advanced node from TSMC, on-package memory, low power design, next gen integrated graphics (around rtx 3050 in benchmarks). Multi threaded performance won't be anything special tho.
Fantastic review! Very informative 👍 thanks a lot ❤
Genuinely, thank you, I know we are asking a lot but next time trying to cover C/C++ compiling, and huge huge thank you for covering Linux support
Awesome video! I just have a question: is there going to be a separate review for each of those laptops?
Thank you for the fantastic research and reviews!
Gem of a channel and team. Keep up the honest and important work!
Was waiting for the video eagerly and... i guess I'll wait for the upgrade :(
Great info! Real life use cases! Love it!
Great review as always. For windows power mode, did you run it at balanced, high performance, or best efficiency?
Josh you are on top of it! thanks for a great review of this new tech
I was waiting for this video. The only honest and practical reviewer on CZcams that you can always rely on. You don't have to worry about him getting paid to give a positive review of the product even if it is just marketing crap. This channel is highly underrated. He is wayyyy better than the other tech "reviewer" biggies. Gotta respect the fact that despite having a smaller userbase and thus lower revenue he doesn't give in the paid promotion requests from tech companies like they do.
Can always depend on you mate, this is exactly the video I was looking for.
Detailed, concise and exactly the information I want.
That's an amazing video, you're clearly the best content creator in the laptop space. It's really useful to know which softwares work and don't work, however it would have been nice if you would have specified if they work natively or through emulation.
Amazing video thanks for actually getting into the issues
Josh thank you so much for testing the audio stuff! Sad to hear, but good to know its not working right now. The only thing I've seen from an audio perspective is the stock install of FL Studio. I'll definitely be holding off---sounds like for a few years since some of these companies are saying they have no plans to migrate any time soon.
so damn glad someone is giving software dev specific info about these, thanks for the video josh
Was very curious about VMware and VirtualBox and you're the only reviewer to touch this topic, thanks Josh.
Yess!!! I love that Josh also i cludes what software is compatible for various professions. Thank you!!!
I cannot praise you enough for the quality and comprehensiveness of your reviews such as this. It’s second to none! Thank you.
Fantastic review. I wish everyone else on YT did work like this.
amazing review. i’ve watched almost all the ones out there, and yours is the best :)
Thank you so much!!!!
Great review and detailed from a user experience. This is different from other reviews that i have seen of this product. Much better! Thanks!
Thank heavens for this video, just recently watched Max Tech and the clear apple bias was so bad it pisses me off, so great job on making an actually objective review
First time I've seen you... Subbed! Hadn't heard of anyone trying Linux on a Snapdragon, and that's one of the things I'd want to do.
Linux Fans need to wait at least a couple of months, depending on distro
Finally a proper indepth review. Most reviewers would just show some synthetic benchmarks and some Photoshop and figma benchmarks and call it a day.
It’s so nice to see reviews that don’t just go into what a content creator uses. I’d imagine far more workers are using virtual desktop interfaces to access applications than use video editing software
@@whenhen Right? I use android studio, pytorch, and mathlab. All that on a linux distro (Arch). 99% of all reviews never cover these.
@@whenhen also Im learning ethical hacking using kali linux. Would have been a total waste when it comes to this laptop.
Your candor and honest reviews are much appreciated. I own an older Surface on ARM and it works just fine for the basics and I really never try to push it too hard. These newest ones are two big steps forward, but still takes a step back when it comes to compatibility.
Thank you!
The scatter-plot at 6:02 is epic. A real eye-opener!
It looks like Jim Keller really knows how to save power. 6:01 - this scatter plot shows 4 types of processors. The yellow and blue ones did NOT have Jim Keller leading the design teams. The red and black ones DID have Jim Keller working to lead some iterations of the design teams! See the difference! I thought you would !!!!
thank goodness for josh. imagine the amount of people who don't see this video and buy one only to find the laptop is a dud
Best video on the internet
Covered use cases well
Pratical tests
I would have loved benchmarks of emulation layers but awesome effort
Amazing review ! I love the way you really care about the users and this is what I was seeking!
This is my first time watching your video. Simply awesome and easy to understand.
Only question I have is if someone has any laptop that is just 1-2 years old would you recommend to upgrade unless they are heavy users like editor or pragmer using the system more than 10+ hours as part of the job
This is really the only excellent laptop review channel I know on YT. Funny how I found your channel when you were still so small. Wish all reviews were like this: consise, critical, and pragmatic.
The amount of work you put into gathering a lot of information and distilling it into a relatively short video is very appreciated.
Thank you for the truthful review! This is why you're the only one I watch when comes to laptops.
Thanks for the thorough testing and honest opinions. If I wasnt already subscribed id subscribe again :)
I've been waiting for your take on the Copilot + laptops before I consider any of them... Thanks Josh!
Awesome comparison, very enlightenment, clear and to the point! Thanks a lot!
I appreciate your honesty Josh I just recently found your channel and you showed me that it's not worth buying these laptops now so I'll wait until the end of the year to see if the situation gets better.
I just bought one and am using it for full stack development and its great. Excited about the ARM architecture and NPU. Looking forward to doing AI development on the platform.
Content quality has been gold! keep up the good work. thanks for the informative reviews!
Hey Josh, first time viewer here, just want to say the way you structured this video was excellent. Many people generalize quite heavily when reviewing electronics, but your way of explaining different types of users is the absolute best way to review or put things into perspective for viewers. Thank you!!
Glad you enjoyed it, and we appreciate that you noticed the structure! Welcome
Amazing. Honestly, that's the best review so far!
Really solid reviews, thank you for making these. Just got the Yoga Pro 9i after watching your videos and consistently seeing it as a winner option
Wow! The video I didn't know I needed. Thanks Josh and the entire team, for this in-depth, unbiased review 🎉
The only channel that covered linux support! 🎉🎉 Thanks.
Wow. What a comprehensive summary of useful information. Thanks!
You are the only one that gives good information aboute software compatibly and different use cases. These are fundamental information taht people who really use their pcs for work nedeed (other than the ubiquitous video editing absurdly over estimated on CZcams reviews). Thanks, keep it up!
You literally just shat all over every other laptop reviewers. Your massive amount of work put into this video shows.
Wow, what a freaking video. Subscribed
Thank you Josh, absolutely loved the video and have always respected you deeply for all the high-level content. You clearly come from the best technical and engineering perspective when you share your content. It's the stuff I really need to know. Keep on doing what you're doing-thumbs up!
The problem here is windows
MacOS i well integrated to the M series its not even close
Probably because macOS has been optimizing for M chips for 4 years, while Windows with Qualcomm is still working on it.
@@EibrahamCx It really has nothing to do with 4 years of optimization. The experience was already extremely polished when the first M1 laptops hit the market. For instance, all the applications Josh identified as incompatible with Snapdragon, like the audio software, worked perfectly on M1, even though many of them did not have native ARM versions at the time.
thank you for packing this amount of useful data in one video!!
Agreed- he is an excellent way of navigating through the hype!
This is really outstanding. Really appreciate the effort on Linux too!
As far i know you're the only one who mentioned power bi with these laptops ! Thank you
Did you find it being more slow than in other tests, compared to something like asus g14 or similar intel laptop?
Thanks again
as always, the only channel I trust and have the right information we need, thanks Josh and Team :)
Thanks as always for your content. Some of the best in the business 👍🏾
I have a SP11 base model and it’s holding up well for that work (tons of rows of excel data - close to a million and firing into a reporting app).
Interestingly the reporting app I use (Power BI) runs faster than my i7 in the Surface Pro 9 even though it’s the only app I use in emulation 🤷🏽♂️. Guess I got lucky. I love Macs but the issue I have is Excel is better in Windows than MacOS features wise. If I run windows in paralells then I by default lose half the RAM as you need 50% to host your host OS. So either it's a 32GB Mac with Windows emulated and Paralells subscription or... Just a 16GB Windows machine and an iPad (which comes to the same cost)...
Ps. Seen you mentioned Power BI in this post also 🙌🏾
Josh you magnificent angel. No one deep dives enough just like you and I think other reviews. Also you are the only one trying linux on reviews and I really appriciate a lot
What an awesome comment! Thank you
Best review of these new hyped techs. Thank you sir for your nice work
Thank you!!!
I am using Surface Laptop 7 with X Elite 80-100, man I have to say its very great, I get more battery life than my Macbook Pro M1 und extremely great performance.
Best review I have seen yet, thank you!
Finally someone reviews in depth the use of these new Windows laptops with ARM technologies, good job Josh, keep it up!
Excellent analysis, thanks.
Picked up the Surface 7 15" earlier this week. I really like it for basic tasks and battery has been great. That Sensel touchpad alone is worth the price of the admission, it's like a breath of fresh air coming from the 16" GB4P horrendous touchpad.... Still waiting to see the verdict on the Zenbook S16 in a few weeks though.
Brilliant video as always Josh, thank you!
This is the most in-depth detailed review of X Elite I've found till this date.
Thanks for your hard work Josh and Team, really good consumer information 👍
I guess we can wait for like a year at most until all these issues are ironed out. It was the case with the first Apple Silicon laptops as well. What Microsoft and Qualcomm have achieved is truly a marvellous step forward in Windows computers and it is certain that they will very soon fully replace x86 CPUs
this is great analysis and journalism, who knows how many hours and how much resources was spent to do this, I truly appreciate it
4 people for 8 working days. It was insane. Thank you for noticing though.
Simply great video. Kudos!
Amazing levels of testing. You even covered what IT people would want to know about these.
Great job Josh. Best laptop reviewer at the moment. Thank you and Congrats!
Why can’t every channel be like this , honest and right to the point .
Thank you for attempting to test Linux compatibility on these. It will be interesting to see where this goes in the future.
I'd better buy cheaper prev gen x86 laptop if it just for casual use, heck even maybe used ones. Some can last 10+ hr on battery at just half the price.
Wow just wow this is how you do a review. I was on the same train of how great snapdragon elite is but the tests your team did are very informative 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Great review covering things i haven't seen yet. I saw a Surface 7 at Best Buy and they were easily the best looking laptops in the store. If i had an endless supply of money I'd get one to play with but I'd also have a MacBook and a PC but here I am broke as ever just watching on CZcams
It would be interesting after a year as to how many fixes are made to the Qualcomm laptops. So a follow-up video about this would be appreciated.
XElite is making Apple Silicon look even better. M1 launch comparison?
Your channel always delivers. Thank you.
Love your type of review!
Just bought a HP Spectre 14 and Yoga 9i pro with the intention of keeping one. Ugh!
Josh, would you recommend I wait for the AMD/Lunar Lake processors to come out within the next few months? Battery life has been my main gripe with laptops over the use (not a Mac user), but I do worry about compatibility issues with the new launch. Do we expect some of the same issues with AMD/Intel as you've found with Qualcom? Thanks in advance!
If you want longer battery life you may want to consider one of these new Qualcomm laptops over the Spectre 14. Compatibility will no doubt improve. The Yoga Pro 9i is a completely different class of device with FAR more powerful graphics. RTX 4060. Those laptops never last that long on battery. Zen 5 may improve things for it. Zen 5 is coming first for those kinds of laptops. I would not expect compatibility issues with Zen 5 vs current x86 laptops. So I think you should be good there. Zen 5 is out late July. Reviews out early August (real non hype ones)