* Snapdragon X Elite for Linux: Taming the Beast
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- The mythical power of dragons meets the open-world freedom of Linux! In this video, we dive deep into the Snapdragon X Elite processor running on Linux. The Snapdragon Elite X promises:
* Blazing Fast Performance: Watch your favorite apps soar to new heights
* Everyday Productivity: Experience seamless multitasking and lightning-fast application launches, making your workflow a breeze.
* Battery Life that Roars: Unleash your productivity and entertainment without worrying about running out of juice.
* Linux Compatibility: See how major Linux distributions run on the Snapdragon X Elite, opening a world of possibilities.
AI Thumbnail: The red dragon setting a blaze the established norms by the PC Titans (AMD, Intel and NVIDIA)
00:00 - Intro
01:44 - Snapdragon Elite X On Linux
02:27 - What makes Snapdragon the "New Sheriff in Town"
03:25 - AI is Pervasive even on open source apps
04:25 - What does Linux Torvalds think about AI on Linux?
05:55 - Arm on the Linux Desktop
06:14 - How fast is Snapdragon Elite X?
07:27 - Snapdragon Elite X Laptops
08:40 - Same Performance - Lower Power
11:08 - Snapdragon Elite X SoC
13:48 - Linux Kernel Support for Snapdragon Elite X
16:30 - Conclusions and Some Passing Thoughts - Věda a technologie
RISC-V community has to step up their game
It's a pity that Intel dropped out (they promised their RISC-V chip last summer). But I really hope the Milk-V Oasis will be available this year.
Risc v will never become a mainstream PC or laptop or mobile processor. They need to be the better than arm or x86 in order to be adopted. I don't see that happening within 20 years.
@@ps3301 well to be fair, arm didn't get here overnight
@@enjimusic90 Exactly. RISC-V is seeing the same server-side adoption that ARM did 5-10 years ago. I think it'll happen sooner than we're expecting.
I agree with Linus, AI should take a supportive role, not a directly generative role. Which is why I really don't care about all the useless and flawed use cases for AI, that are being hyped up right now.
Its a tool that marketing is trying to turn into an employee. A camera doesn't take photos by itself and a keyboard doesn't type itself.
@@shApYT this is exactly why AI is blowing up, companies are seeing dollar signs at the idea of just axing all customer support roles or anything that can be even half-ass done by an overglorified chatbot. Every other use for it is just window dressing for that fact.
This is not only attractive for laptops, it will create a significant wave of affordable mini Pcs in the popular NUC form factor.
I don't trust all of Qualcomm's benchmark marketing hype but I'm still excited to see a big push for ARM outside of Mac's. I also think there is a place for ARM for a lot more than just laptops but I guess we'll have to wait and see how things shape up.
Sure, we need independent benchmarks...which I am sure will happen once we have hardware to run on...Qualcomm if you are listening, I would love to benchmark the machine.
Even if we believe Qualcomms benchmarks, (we can't) it's worse than year old x86 CPUs and only 10 percent more efficient, and the only Apple chip it competes favorable is the worst they made a year ago, it loses to the worst they make today.
By the time X comes zen 5 is here, and clearly better in every way, including battery life
On top of that, the most I've seen offered is 64 gigs ram, most offering as an add on 32, on a non upgradable laptop, 64 gigs is the minimum anyone can get if they want this comparatively effective more than a year or two, and hardly anyone is offering that even as add on
Jeeze, my 7 year old laptop now has 32 gigs ram, (since I could upgrade) and if it supported 64 gigs I'd have that even today
X looks like such a POS compared to everything else, I don't understand why anyone's excited about it.
I might be interested in a gen 2 X but this gen one is worthless
@@MrPerrisC In my case my laptop is no longer my workhorse, I'm much more interested in the efficiency. But I agree overall, if you are getting serious work done x86 is probably going to be best until someone catches up to apple on the design side, never mind a lot of software needing to catch up as well.
@CyberGizmo Even Microsoft and Qualcomm’s own biased benchmarks don’t look good. They are constantly calling out the MacBook Air which has a tablet CPU. They are putting Apple’s lowest end chip against their highest end SnapDragon. The battery test they did during the Surface event had their Surface laptop dim its screen hours before the test was over, but they had the Mac stay bright until it’s battery died. They won’t even talk about their GPUs performance VS Apple’s. I am guessing the 4 year old entry level M1, smokes the Elite in that area.
If we are to believe leaked benchmarks, overall performance of the Elite is somewhere around base M2 and M3, and behind M4. Even the NPU they were hyping so much… if going by their own presentation comparing theirs to Apple’s M3 NPU, is going to be a loss for them… because M4 is already on store shelves and its NPU is more powerful than the Elites (38 fp16 TOPs destroys 45 int8 tops).
What does the Elite possibly have to offer against M3 Pro and Max? It isnt even out yet and its the best chip they could make after years of planning, but it loses to the on shelf starter chip from Apple as well as the 3 year old M1 Pro amd M1 Max. This is horrifying to watch. I was really hoping for an ARM powered mobile desktop OS future. The battery life improvements are so needed, but the performance failures are just a nonstop repeating record for Qualcomm 10 years straight.
The big problem is software that doesn't support Arm. We already know apples performance is high, and Qualcomm kind of took that intellectual property. Qualcomm is not a little guy, they are a massive company, powering more than half of phones, they just have relatively low market share in laptops.
What is most attractive, to me, is the power efficiency found in these chips. Both of my lab machines have Intel 11th and 12th Gen i9's. This is frankly more than enough power for my projects, virtual machines etc. But to be able to do this with a power savings of 70% is like some sort of crazy dream come true. Thanks for this video D.J. We live in exciting times (at least technically).
I think this is what most people miss about this chip. Its performance isn't really any better than something like a Z1 Extreme. But the fact it's the same performance with way better battery life on the other hand is crazy. If it doesn't hurt x86 apps, then this definitely will be interesting.
One thing Linux has that remains to be seen with Windows is support for ARM, the last time I tried ARM with Windows (which was a year ago) it was terrible...and I mean Slooooooowwwww with x86 apps. Linux has been doing ARM for a long while now and has good enough support I do not need x86 compatibility much these days...yeah there are rare instances, but mainline Linux Apps no issue.
I did not expect ARM to be pushed this far, this quickly. Interesting times indeed.
Unless we're talking about Risc-V getting good. These are giants trying to smack each other.
Unfortunately RISC-V has been disappointing. Like Linus said, if you want Risc-V to take off on Linux, you need a Risc-V workstation for the developers to build on first....so far that part of Risc-V has been a complete joke, but I'm not laughing....its just sad.
@@CyberGizmo These things take years, but we will get there. I haven't heard much about the Milk-V Pioneer after launch. I'm hoping that we will see the Milk-V Oasis (12 performance cores, 4 efficiency cores), $150 mini ITX system this year with decent software support.
Great video as always! Been looking forward to have some beefy ARM chips to use Linux with. Been rocking Apple Silicon since it's release because I got tired of the typical heat/fan noise on x86 current models.
Preordered. It will be interesting to benchmark X Elite against Intel/AMD on certain scientific/AI tasks. Unfortunately only 32 GB RAM versions available at reasonable price.
Lenovo has plans to use these chips in “PC” style AT form factors. According to them what most people want in that form factor is access to PCI and the ability to upgrade graphics cards. They feel that people will just replace entire boards going forward.
I can kinda see something like that happening, having one big chip with a good CPU/GPU in it (like the current 8700G from AMD) many people really don't need a 4090, they can literally play and do whatever they wanna do with current integrated gpu's. And if you need more power simply replace the board and call it a day.
Heck a lot of people got surprised with the Steam Deck.
I like the upgrade-able nature of the desktop, but i can accept that it's a pain in the ass and we are still carrying a lot of legacy stuff that either doesn't make sense at all or could literally be moved to an addon board you purchase separately. There's so much i would change from the current motherboard standard form factor... and i'm not talking crazy "alien tech" like changes.
For example front panel connectors, we could literally hook up the entire front panel to one or 2 USB-C ports in the motherboard, instead of the current spaghetti monster we have, specially on big cases with lot's of connectors, it's a nightmare.
Cables from the PSU to the MB? the main 24pin and the pair of 8 pin connectors gone, i would swap where the cpu socket is and put it where the PCIe ports are, and the power connectors instead of going via cable i would make it a slot in connector like how Sony connects the PS2 (phat), and PS3 PSU's to the MB's, less chonky cables more direct connectors.
And for the GPU i would like to see that new ASUS MB power connector standardized so the only cables would be for the sata devices, front panels and fans, and in fact, taking into account the amount of power needed i would replace the connectors on sata devices for full USB-C connectors.
D.J.!?.....my niece saw this and called you SANTA CLAUS!....she wanted to ask why Santa is surrounded b y computers...and if that's how he knows who's naughty or nice..?......LoL!!
Thanks for the chuckle @eddieoconnor4466. Tell her Santa needs all those computers to make sure the kids all get what they are asking for
@CyberGizmo I just did..and in all of her 4 year old wisdom she nodded and said..."that's a smart move
.that Santa is one smart cookie"....hahahah!!
The WoA devices have to have device tree lists available for Linux on them to happen, just like Volterra nettop with previous SoC did not have it and could not do Linux even when the SoC itself is supported. Then given laptop vendor can play dirty blocking bootloader or some other options...
5:20 Absolutely agree with Linus looking like he's had it with the BS. Yesterday while cutting the grass I lay down on my driveway and looked up at the clear blue sky for 10 minutes and realized that I prefer to be doing that than grinding on code that is forever being corrupted AND, if Microsoft Recall and their operating systems are anything to go by, repurposed for utterly evil purposes.
I figured that out as well , some months ago while been 22.
I don't want to work as as programmer and be exploited by someone else, that would be exploited by someone else, that would be exploited by a billionaire.
I make my programming language and I'll make my own OS on it. And in general, I'll just treat it as a hobby and have fun with it.
this is the most vauge/nonsensical comment i've read in a while
@@godnyx117Good luck on making TempleOS 2
@@yep596 I won't be naming it "templeos 2", but thank you for the good wishes my brother!
Do you think they will make graphic cards for this type of cpu? Could you have a PCIE 4.0 or something similar which would allow to hook it upto a RTX 4090 or AMD RADEON 7900XTX? Cause I think their integrated gpu isn't that powerful for high end gaming. It is nice to see an alternative to the Intel x64 architecture though.
I just thought what about USB 4 or Oculink ports for these laptops then you could connect to an external gpu.
Oh yeah, NVidia already has an ARM driver for use on their jetson machines, here is my lspci: 001:00:00.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation Device 229e (rev a1) on my Jetson Orin Nano
Anything close to as texnologically sound as Apple Silicon (minus the huge security flaw baked into their M series chips that was recently exposed...) that don't cost as much as a Tesla, I'm ready! 😎
tbh the security flaws pertaining to speculative execution and prefetch are inavoidable regardless of the platform. There's no reasonable way to mitigate it that doesn't tank the performance. That problem is only going to get worse too. That said, I'd happily own a laptop like this as long as there's a removable SSD and it comes with 32gb+ of RAM since it's non-serviceable
Is it a given is it that ARM ( maybe along with RISC-V) will come to dominate local and/or cloud AI computing because of lower energy requirements?
I doubt that will be enough, I can only speak for myself, I prefer performance but paying less in electricity is a plus. Great question!
ARM is already being used by hyperscalers in the cloud and Nvidia's B200 superchip uses an ARM CPU. Market share is in the datacenter is still fairly low right now but I'd love ARM to become popular enough for me to have an ARM server for my homelab in a few years, we'll have to wait and see. On a side note I'm really glad Nvidia wasn't allowed to buy ARM.
I think that AI npu should not be integrated into the processor, it should be a separate module, like a gpu, for desktop pc
An interesting idea, perhaps to have multiple NPU's? The one advantage I can see for having them closer to the CPU is delivering data to them, they are extremely fast compared to a CPU. I could be wrong up the Groq accelerator (LPU) for AI I believe is separate.
@@CyberGizmo There are also TPU's like the coral units. But I'd guess like you said it's a lot faster when integrated with the CPU.
In mobile devices including notebooks integrated the NPU into the SoC is the way to go. You need shared memory for CPU and iGPU anyway so a AI model can be directly loaded into RAM. On the PC with CPU and dGPU things might be different. Still you need RAM or VRAM for the model and some PCIe bandwidth to get the model on the card. Do I want to use my GPU only for AI tasks? No. I would like to see a dNPU. But guess how the price would be if you want something like a card with 24GB RAM or more with decent performance. Thats why we will probably get a simple NPU or at least some AI instructions in every CPU First.
@@CyberGizmoaye, or analogue computing units
Is a spyware my friend, the IA is only the excuse
As far as I see we need to have a new paradigm of computing on laptops. I am really interested in where this will take us.
Im so ready to buy one of these laptops with the new chips but man I really need to see if that x86 emulation is good. Thats all im waiting for.
Been thinking a lot on this stuff. Nividia really needs to make a desktop arm chip man. The HoneyComb LX2KSoC is designed by SolidRun and is primarily used as a Micro ATX ARM workstation. It has 16 ARM cores running at a 2GHz clock speed and supports a PCIe Gen 3 (x8) slot. The memory bandwidth of modern GPUs is much higher than the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0. This is because the GPU memory bandwidth is the speed at which the GPU can read data from or write data to its VRAM, which is much faster than the speed at which data can be transferred over the PCIe bus. The PCIe bandwidth can become a bottleneck if the GPU needs to frequently access data that is not stored in its VRAM and has to be transferred over the PCIe bus. However, this is less likely to be an issue with modern GPUs that have large amounts of VRAM. The Nvidia RTX 4090 is equipped with 24 GB of GDDR6X VRAM. DDR is higher performance than LDDR, and always will be, so even if the mobile arm chip has high VRAM for its chip, running a discreet GPU with high amounts of GDDR is always going to be higher performance.
we've come a long way!
So, Audio Video Sound Camera and USB are not working...
for Video and USB, correct, some of the audio is working, but not complete is probably the best way to say it. and yep that's how the progress to full support works in the linux kernel...It took almost 3 months before the Meteor Lake was 1) full supported and 2) optimized and running well....then they broke it again in 6.9...
I find it great marketing timing to make sure they announced all the Copilot+ PCs before Apple's WWDC, but made sure none are available to actually test until after WWDC is over... lol
LOL, "never estimate the power of the dark side"
thanks for explaining this, i'm a linux user from denmark.
You're welcome!
6:22 if you need to say “period” after the sentence you know something is up
I'm not ready for ARM on desktops yet, because one of the things I use my desktop for is playing games on Steam. As far as I know, playing Steam games on ARM isn't possible yet. You'd probably need to run x86 PC games emulated or in a compatibility layer. Which could be a headache on Linux, since you'd be running a compatibility layer (Proton/WINE) on top of a compatibility layer.
Emulation of old/"retro" games isn't an issue, ARM has been capable of that for a while. I don't play Steam games on my ThinkPads, just retro games in emulators. In that regard, I'd be open to an ARM ThinkPad (or other Linux laptop). Of course, I would need to be able to install and get a fully working Linux OS on any ARM laptop before considering using one. If I can't install Linux, I'm not using any laptop. I'm not using Windows.
Understandable, Steam may get interested if the Arm CPUs sell ...
One great video again. Thanks. I just hope there isnt some agreement, to sell it only with win preinstalled. 😂. I hope there will be more voises on this direction, to have LUNUX ready, or some linux preinstalled. BTW, i see just once, !!! and never more, tests comparind two Elite 12core models with windows, and one P model 10core with linux. The result were 70% seventy high perfomance on linux!!! I love to hear your comment, and your voice for linux ready, and windows free snapdragon. Thanks
If Qualcomm would be so generous to send me one, I would be happy to put it to the test :). One thing I wonder if people caught was the comment by the Linux devs who said the 12 cores on the Snapdragon were identical cores...which should mean no economy cores...that's truely odd for ARM, except when you get into the server ARM chips.
@@CyberGizmo thanks again. I hope it is true. For a year and half I'm in linux, and for a year I tuke a new laptot, I install 9 nine distros, and I'm kind addicted. But linux also shine on my 15 years old idea pad s12 with via/nano 64bit cpu. And I have TERMUX on my phone, and my Tablet, on which tested and X11 gui. The only missing part in linux kernel and X11 is support of TOUCH device, and other sensors in mobiles. Thanks one more time for replay.
I'll get one of these laptops if Linux and Tensorflow support its NPU. I don't care about any AI applications, but I use Tensorflow/Keras a lot for data science.
Ai just seems to be the next metaverse, crypto currency,nfts thing that tech has latched onto
lol gnurl engine, laughing about how the Apple person pronounced neural engine. Thanks for the information, I've been wondering about Linux support.
I am so down to have a Snapdragon chip in my Linux laptop 👍
Why can't we have a future where Linux acts as the "Android" of Arm based laptops and tablets, with each OEM having their own spin at linux with their own distros, just like various Android skins, that would be so exciting. Linux just looks like the perfect OS for arm devices!
Because all the different Android phones are basically the same Android with a different skin slapped on. Software is distributed and installed the same way on all of them. If you’ve had a Samsung phone your whole life and you decide to buy a Pixel, you can just start using it.
With Linux it is very common for people trying a new distro to spend hours Googling how to use the basics of their OS. Linux is still a tinkerers playground. The general consumer doesn’t want a project, they want something familiar and easy to use. There are beginner friendly distros, but even those consumers would be frustrated trying to figure out work arounds to things they are used to or be confused by why their version of Linux can’t install software from the guide they used, because the guide was made for a different distro.
If Linux is ever going to take off, standardization needs to be taken seriously. The community also needs to embrace the general public. This means making the default instructions for tutorials reference GUI methods of doing things and steering clear of the terminal.
There also needs to be a clear front runner. I know Linux is about customization and freedom to do things a different way, but consumers aren’t willing to deal with all the research and OS comparisons. They will just walk away. For a while it looked like Ubuntu was going to be the leader that other builds would follow, but that fell off and every distro just does their own thing. There is no vision or direction. There is also a lot of fighting over the way things should be done. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
An Android user can go from Android over to iOS easier than a Linux user can go from one Linux distro to another. That is pretty crazy considering Android and iOS are completely different operating systems.
But then maybe there is the answer. Android or ChromeOS. I personally find Google gross, but they have a better chance than anyone to make Android widely adopted. Make Android laptops or open ChromeOS up a bit more. They even have a crap ton of ARM compatible software, where as standard Linux PCs has almost nothing.
I hope it's all true, that Qualcomm is more open source.
I'm quite skeptical looking at Qualcomms past.
These new snapdragons sure do look interesting. But I'm a bit soured on Qualcomm, they do tend to overhype their products, and also, if they do own a market they tend to rest on these laurels (see their behavior with Snapdragon Wear, they basically repeatedly re-released an old SoC which massively hurt battery life for any Watch that did not have its own chips).
We don't even really have too look so far. With the original ARM on Windows release Qualcomm had an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft, and after the initial release there did not come much improvement at all.
That exclusivity agreement did/is running out now, and behold, suddenly they've got better processors.
They need a competitor that will have to come somewhat close to their capabilities, at least if we want sustained evolution.
Luckily there's a few other companies that work on it.
Even the newest Intel chips (meteor lake IIRC) are said to be surprisingly energy efficient. Tho I hate what marketing did with their nomenclature.
Hopefully it will inspire competition from other ARM makers. You never want any one company to become a monopoly, they all get complacent when that happens.
No, the Apple M4 talking was about the efficiency not the maxiumum performance. It is more powerful than the M3.
Hopefully get some good USFF/NUC desktops AARM64 powered that run Linux or Windows 11+
When Apple inks a deal to use Open AI, MSFT gets 49% of the profits, so MSFT wins either way. Look it up if you don't know this.
Regarding Linus.
Yeah. Though I do think he still has a good amount of time on him. But the first hints of him clearly thinking about successors was when he accepted Rust into the kernel, and the comments surrounding that.
I, as a Rust fanboy, do very much think that it has significant improvements over eg. the rejected C++, and would've had a very good chance of being accepted even without that whole situation.
But Linus' comments did very much have a 'yeah young people really want that, so I guess I'll live with it' kind of spin to them. He still did his job, and did it well, not holding back critique. But I think were he not considering not going on TOO much longer, he would have either engaged stronger with Rust, or he would've at least not accepted it so soon.
Well I agree C has many problems and since C++ is usually just a C preprocessor C++ isn't going to be a different answer. I know Rust isn't perfect either, but so far I have yet to meet the perfect programming language...except maybe Algol, sorry had to work that in there.
To bad Rust is a shitty language. Ugly code, ridiculous compile time.
That's great, but…
This is at least the third time someone is trying to make an ARM-based PC.
There was a motherboard with 12 and 16 cores, but it went nowhere.
So far only Apple managed it, but they arent a serious supplier.
PS I'm using a six core ARM for my file swrver/NAS, and I camt wait for something bettwr/faster.
seems to be working fine on Linux, Amazon said recently 30% of their cloud servers are ARM based. But yeah I get your point.
I am not onboard with ARM graphics just yet. I like higher end Nvidia graphics. I haven't seen anything real about desktop configurations yet.
Nice
Hoping System76 comes out with laptop based on the Snapdragon Elite X.
I remember them looking into that, back oh in 2019 or something. At the time there wasn't a desktop class ARM processor available to them, so they put it aside, maybe they will dust off the study again?
I hope Pat Gelsinger can do something to bring Intel back. I think that the x86s may have some promise.
Having Qualcomm in the PC game will definitely make Intel and AMD work harder because now PC OEMS (not just consumers) have more choices.
Lunar Lake is rumored to be competitive at the end of this year.
wow
All things considered its a good developement to break up the die hard grip x86 has on the PC, hope we see more socketed ARM CPU then just the ones from Ampere who have a clear server focus, next step RISC-V to step up its game so we have even more competition.
Yeah!
Exciting times indeed. If 2024 is year of linux on the desktop then 2025 will be year of ARM everywhere... heh.
Im so excited, i am not even a linux user but i want this to work so bad to slap lunix on it 🥵🥵
the Music so loud
I hope Oryon and EliteX make Intel Ancient and Outdated, just like Apple M1 lineup did to Intel.
You can't take a presentation and have background music so loud that we can't hear what they're saying lol
I think Mediatek will the next in the race.
It's not a GPU, it's a Neural Processing Unit.
Isn't it more appropriate to say Linux running on Snapdragon?
anybody install linux using Snapdragon?
Who new Santa Claus could program
Linux will keep lagging behind in ai within os.
If snapdragon decide to go also onto the opposite way, i think that'd be amazing.
qualcom is trying to beat intel, apple, amd, all of their best performing chips.
if they try to beat their lower end chips in performance, battery life, and price, i think we could start seeing a younger generation of kids who get an equiviliant of an I3 but in arm, that's way better than an I3 in terms of performance and battery life for their school usage and web browsing.
also, generally, some people in the market just want to be able to use office 365 on a thin a nd light laptop, if they manage to get a cheaper chip that can handle that at a lower price than an I5-U or i7-U it'd be very good for people who aren't power hungry, and that aren't creators and gamers XD.
Snap Dragon X buisness or something like that lmfao. no ai features, just a very good arm cheap that can reach the masses
Don't disagree but the last three arm boards I put into production all had an NPU, its a waste if you don't have support for them though, they won't just run AI workloads.
Qualcomm is hardly "a little guy"...
true if you compare revenue, but their marketshare in the PC business is only 10%
The talks almost ruin the experience of hearing the music.
"Snapdragon X Elite in the wild is allegedly slower than iPhone 12 - first benchmarks of Samsung Book4 Edge disappoint" -> overhyped
do you have a link for the benchmark
Never mind I found it, there many issues with that benchmark and the way it was performed, even with the bad methodology it did show better performance over M1 and M2, but lost out ot the M3. The processor ID does not match any of the ones Qualcomm released at Comutex so could be an engineering chip, Windows version is incorrect for Snapdragon X support and it appears they made a rookie mistake of benchmarking in balanced mode. I'll wait for June 18th before forming any opinions.
These newer processors are going to give them access and control to other types of operating systems. Too much control
Sorry, but I really hated that intro, not just because of AI, but because it was incredibly corporate.
didnt intend for you to hate it, but yeah that was the point, AI is being hyped by the corporate types.
A small room full of people cheering sounds sad and also just as annoying as the people cheering at Apple's announcements. I love my M1 Max and it's an amazing machine and like others I'm not buying Qualcomm's benchmarks, but I do hope they are true and just as capable as Apple's. I'm ready to leave Windows and start to migrate away from Apple. To the Linux experts here, which of the newly announced laptops do you like the most. The price of the ThinkPad seems a bit excessive.
I think Lenovo has a couple of model of the Yoga for $1,200 and $1,300 USD. Agree on the Thinkpad price its not inline with the competition at all. As for Linux support will have to wait and see, so far there isn't enough support in the kernel to use the Snapdragon X Elite in a GUI environment.
from the ground up? they purchased Nuvia which was apple engineers who built the M spec chips for Apple...
What on earth are you talking about the little guy? Qualcomm is a $230B market cap company with approx. 50k employees, and has a history of doing pretty shitty things.
Arm sucks right now, why? because I cant run cad software like catia, solidworks and nx on them :P and these buisness sectors moves super slow because they use what have worked for them and they are not keen on switching to something unproven and delay their work which can mean millions at stake.
The only reason I keep Windows around on bare metal is to run Altium designer and a large library of Steam games. I am currently weening myself off those.
@@vincei4252 hop on over to kicad, we've got FOSS
Not a arm issue, on 2 years ol xiaomi. on termux, on debian proot, cad programs fly fluently. glx gears give me 500+. If you send me link on this or other cad, *.deb files for arm64 arm8, I'll give a try :)
When I worked for IBM Catia was like the most popular CAD software being used, and like all apps, if you want them ported it has to be worth their while to do it (in terms of sales). If the demand is there I am sure Catia will be as well.
The talking is distracting me from the music...
The success of this chip will probably depend entirely on the success of Microsoft's renewed initiative to compete with the Macbook. I don't think it's likely to succeed at all, basically the only audience for these laptops are diehard windows laptop users that are jealous of apple silicon, because anyone else that really wanted m1 bought the Macbook air, especially true for anyone with the cash to buy these new laptops. But at the same time the Windows ARM experience will continue to be terrible, at least in the short term, and someone dedicated to using a Windows laptop is probably using it for gaming, which is not what these new laptops are for.
Intel are hosed...
I do know I have this giant speced out pc tower and a m1 mac mini
That Mac mini is a better experience
Could be just the os but that thing has no fan and never gets hot
So ARM is the future
Dear God, I hate this corporate music.
Whit NPU, no thanks, i dont like spyware in my computer
Marketing BS (applied to ALL companies). a) if your competitor is not in the same hall, you can say whatever you want. And, paid wover's wow and take pictures, no brain required. b) What are the experimental details used during the tests? Why not present those first off? Total non-sense.
Yep that's why I do my own tests...I trust claims from marketing like I do use car sales folks.
These presentations with all the "woooohs" from the audience are killing me with cringe.
This is what happens when you sit at the throne and don't innovate because more money stays in your pockets. You get dethroned.
Liar
I would think Linux/BSD/the open source space would be perfect for adopting ARM hardware outside of Macbooks, with most software being open meaning it can be recompiled for ARM by an army of developers. Let's hope Qualcomm gives good driver support and such though.