End of Support: Windows 10 - What to do
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- The end is near...well for Windows 10 anyway, we are about 18 months out, which is not a lot of time left to decide what to do, so this video is meant to give you five (5) options when your Windows 10 Home, Pro or Enterprise goes End of Support in October of 2025.
Why didn't you recommend MacOS?: That would still require new hardware and in addition it would mean i some cases having to 1) transfer licenses from Windows to MacOS, or re-purchaing commercial software for MacOS. Kind of an expensive path.
End of Support means: No Security Patches, No Updates or Enhancements, and No Support
Thumbnail AI Generated: Is a broken window in a post apocalyptic world, hopefully you planned better than that, and it a smooth transition for you.
Chaptters
00:00 - Intro
01:05 - Windows !0 End Date
02:07 - Option 1: Do Nothing, Continue to Run Windows 10
03:02 - Option 2: Extended Security Update (ESU)
05:08 - Option 3: Move to WIndows 11
05:26 - Windows 11 Minimium System Requirements
08:53 - Disabling Windows 11 Checks
10:33 - Option 4: Chrome OS Flex
12:03 - Option 5: Linux
13:19 - WINE List
14:22 - Summary
15:47 - Final Thoughts - Windlows 12
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They said 10 will be last version of Windows. Well it will be the last for me. Switched to Linux and Mac when they released 11
So..... they weren't lying. hee-hee jk
They meant the last remotely practical version
@@mgord9518 - I know what you meant, I was just kidding (jk). Win10 is good enough for me, can't stand all that Win11 eye candy and security crap. By the way, you can patch Win10 with 0patch (0 is zero) even is MS stops supporting it. ;)
@@BillAnt Thanks, great shout - didn't know about this!
This is so true. Switched to Linux 5 months ago. Windows has been so unstable for me, I am not playing russian roulette with my OS ever again. The only updates I truly care about are security updates and Linux does not automatically install any patches in the background like Windows does. I was using Windows 10 which I considered more stable than Windows 11.
And some judge in the US ruled that MS *doesn't* have a monopoly. Millions of perfectly running Windows 10 machines are going to be trashed. Just because MS says the life span of their OS is 10 years doesn't mean it doesn't run programs anymore. It really means, after 10 years, a new revenue stream must be triggered for MS. Well done, MS. Linux is looking really good at this point.
I think a judge had a conflict of interest
@@SlavTiger Good one, Slav! 👍
Those machines will run Linux. Bye, Microsoft.
I know people that still run XP
@@claycassin8437 👍. Can't happen soon enough, Clay.
Imho, we need legislation to decree that when MS (or anyone else) abandon an OS, it immediately becomes open source. Digital life - especially business - has become too fundamentally important to be monopolised by corporations.
Windows has become an ongoing pain . All I want is a system that works not endless bells and whistles which I neither want or need.
If you block all phone home internet access to microsoft, you will find that all your problems go away.
Just something that runs my programs without crashing works be nice
sounds to me like you are screaming out for linux, try a distro that has all the nice user friendly interface if you are switching from windows at least to begin with.
are you really sure you dont wanna play Candy Crush!? well at least we will keep it uninstallable for you, just in case.
Simple - Linux
Microsoft is crazy for ending support this early, 10 still has 68% about 2.5 times 11, I hope we get more people on Linux thanks to this clown act, Microsoft doesn't deserve anyone's support in any way at this point
I like the phrase "Clown act" I don't think Microsoft's left hand knows what the right hand is doing, and even a clever clown knows that much.
almost spit my coffee...LOL
crazy?
@@pikazap6672 crazy clown act 🥸
IKT
Strange how Windows 10 went from the "last version of windows", meaning it would be upgraded indefinitely to it ending in just over a year from now. Why the change? Sounds like pure corporate greed to me.
Last version you'd ever need to "buy"
MS are known for it.
Get W10 LTSC 2021, it won't die until 2032.
@@garychap8384 mandatory microsoft account only for windows 11 is a big change.....
The more you update any kind of software, the harder it becomes to maintain and update. An overhaul is always inevitable. Any software dev would know that MS's statement was pure bull$hit.
My PC in the living room still runs Windows 7 just perfectly. I run Windows 10 on all the other PCs in our house (3 more) and they all do fine. My old Dell laptop runs W7 just fine. I'm not concerned about it.
I wish I kept Windows 7 on 2 old computers of mine which are now running Windows 10 Not that Windows 10 is anywhere near as awful as Windows 11 I have 2 new computers with Windows 11 and it is worse than Windows 7 or Windows 10. Windows says my old computers will not run Windows 11 and I'would not ever downgrade them to Windows 11 anyway.
Totally agree! I run one old laptop on Win 7; and my other laptops on Win 10. When was the last time I called Windows for support? Maybe 20 years ago - what a circus. I don't feel the need to ask them for anything. Most of the tech support people knew less than I did - and I'm no techie. In the old days (like about 3.1 days, they were great. They really helped us! Now their solution is to just reformat to factory default). As for security? I pretty much access the same websites for the last 10 years - my anti-virus program does fine, if I accidentally click on a nefarious site.
@@thirty2able just pickup a refurbished machine and keep for win7
Ha! I've got two laptops running XP without any problems.
Hope you've invested in a good firewall appliance.
Why is everyone dissing 10-year old PCs? Seriously, my main desktop at home is 14 years old. When I bought it, I got the biggest machine I could spec out, and it's never really fallen short of my needs for it.
And I'm not someone who lives in Office.
My machine currently runs Windows 10 (actually it's dual booted with Ubuntu on the other drive), but it also hosts VMs running every Windows version since '95. I'm not a big PC gamer, I'm a software engineer - been working with M$ since PC-DOS v1.0 (no, that's not a typo. My first PC had the letters IBM on the front).
I *will* retire this PC in a couple of years, as a last-time buy for when I enter retirement - but only because I'll still be able to cash flow something decent (say 2 CPU, 64C/128T, 128GB RAM, whatever NVIDIA's top board is at the time and plenty of SATA ports for storage expansion). That'll let me play with hobby stuff, like AI (hence the graphics board).
Even at the office, my main desktop is >10 years old. But then it's never seen Windows as I do systems development.
Outside of gaming and power consumption for portables, CPUs really haven't seen a lot of growth in speed etc over the last 10 to 15 years. Just added cores and their ability to manage larger amounts of RAM, and to get really hot.
I still have an offline PC that runs Windows XP for my old PC games and it still runs them great.
Microsoft requiring those extras for Windows 11 is the end of their monopoly.
Companies and countries have calculated that it's cheaper to switch tot Linux and pay to retrain staff then to buy all new computers and Windows 11 for each system. Germany is switching 50,000 computers and China is switching 50 MILLION computers over to Linux. Nearly all websites and servers run Linux so it's making more sense to train everyone on it.
Germany flip flops. This isn't the first or second time they tried. They always go back to Windows. It's a shame
So what most all of Latin America is using Linux as Is most of the world nowadays.
Not likely. Windows' biggest advantage is that it comes on newer computers, and most people don't build their computers.
@Barnardrab They used to all the time 25-30 years ago.
Also it is nothing to put in an ssd or chip or just wipe the drive and install Linux.
BTW... 25 years ago users used to BY the Windows XP software and other Microsoft products happily. That changed after Microsoft forced Windows 8 on us. Been down hill for them ever since.
If you're tech savy...most people just want a machine that works and is compatible with the software they want to use.
Finally, Windows Updates will stop restarting my PC every week without my consent. Lol.
lol
Especially when you're in the middle of doing something.
Space Force scene comes to mind.....
@@Support_Ad_Blocker u could turn off it in group policy.
@sMansGuitars I had an unannounced update intrude into my life, so I unplugged the Ethernet cable, shut down the computer, started it back up and the damn thing still updated. Without any Internet connection? How did it do that?
I switched to Linux more than 20 years ago. I haven't regretted that decision, at all!
Linux will benefit from it.
Especially now that they announced their new AI key/screen logger
The phasing-out of Windows7 was what brought me to Linux. I never looked back.
Me too, unfortunately there are programs that won't run on linux.
I still have a copy of Windows 7 that I run offline only. I also run Picasa on it as my photo editor 🤣 Picasa sucked when Google had it. But now as graveware it is awesome!
@@firehosediy7507 That's what the open sourced /cross platform alternatives are for.
Also Name any and all programs you were thinking of that you've tried to get working via Wine, or Wine and Lutris or PLayonLinux. Also what Linux distro and desktop did you actually try?
Details matter.
Same. All my outdated hardware runs on linux.
Linux also comes with a free "XZ malware backdoor" in case you forgot your password. ha-ha jk
I like to use a mix of OS'es based on my needs. Every ones has its pros and cons.
Remember when M$ said 10 would be the last version of Windows?
I sure do...I think they might have been ummm lyi...opps I mean exaggerating, I mean:
The information page of Windows 11 reports its version as 10. It’s all absurd marketing nonsense, of course.
@@CyberGizmo LOL for real 😂
MS didn't.
@@CyberGizmo Wasn't it an employee making an unauthorized statement?
All by design, to make us buy, buy, buy.
Thank you for summarizing all my talking points to upgrade our machines to my higher ups. I'm just gonna forward them your video and call it a day. You are fantastic!
We have 24 systems in house and we don’t have the ability to do the 11 compatible chip upgrade. So, we’ve tested Ubuntu 22.04 since last fall and we’re prepared to make the switch this May. Everyone that has been running Ubuntu loves it.
There's cheap mid range computers that can hold more support Ryzen seems to be dominating Intel right now I see no use for more than 8 cores 24 cores is overkill for a PC.
You don't need any hardware expense to do the upgrade. There's a lot of ways to do it.
-you can deploy the image directly to the partition via dism
-use a moded version like ghost sprectre then apply sfc and reset pc for more security
-mod your own
@@tyrellwreleck4226 I'm not a fan of the third party sorry it's a safety thing.
They'll change if they see everybody changing to Ubuntu / Linux.
@@RealButcher I think they might be listening because according to rumors Microsoft is lifting more computers to do the upgrade if Linux is more secure than Windows and Windows has to have TPM 2.0 just to be safe something is wrong remember security software like AVG we never asked for these harsh upgrade the government is doing sketchy shit again they didn't learn the last time so it's time to give the wake up call.
By the way: Nearly 70% of all machines are still running Windows 10.
Only lil over 23% are running Windows 11.
We'll see if M$ is really so brave to cut off all these machines.
The adoptionrate of Win 11 is so low, bc of the stupid hardware restrictions and bc they forced it not onto all the machines like they did with win 10.
Atm I tend to the option this whole situation will become the greatest self-own in the history of M$!
This is just like a few years ago when they tried to force Windows 10 on us while most people were using Windows 7, XP before that.
Now that Linux has matured to the point where we don't NEED Microsoft anymore I am so glad.
Same thing happened when Intel did that on the hardware side.
The Wintell douopoly is FINALLY going to DIE especially after 30+ years. Power to the user.
@@brianperry4815 M$ did not 'try' to force Win7 users into Win10!
They literally did that! They forced many 100000 happy Win7 users to use their crappy, buggy, undercooked, unstable Betatest of an OS called Windows 10, onto their machines without their permission!
But now they can't do the same in cause of there own stupid hardware restrictions. So the situation is way different.
But, yes - Linux is nowadays actually an Option and I really hope M$ will get a hard sl∆p for their behaviour!
@@waltrautengels816 If you remember right It was Windows 8 that they really tried to shove down peoples throat. Windows 10 was an updated non tiled version of that
Forgot to mention the utter uproar when M$ was forcing users to upgrade from XP even though most people were HAPPY with XP.
@@brianperry4815 "Now that Linux has matured to the point where we don't NEED Microsoft anymore I am so glad."
Last I checked literally nothing has changed in the past 10 years with Linux other than gaming being viable.
Edit: DJ Ware has blocked me from posting any comments.
Can they move this forward ? I'm sick to death of trying to get all my settings back to where they were after all these "updates". I'm a streamer and every update messed my settings up, I still haven't been able to get my microphone back to how it sounded before the last update.
Great information. I also love the fact that he's using the HAL 9000 screen saver on his background monitor.
The best option is Linux, when there was no more support for Windows 7 I jump to Linux Mint.
Same, now I use Arch(-based) btw
@@malcaniscsm5184 Same. I played with many distros but when I just want it to work I come back to Mint.
Yep, It's going to be like that for me, changing everything to Linux Mint 21.3, at least I don't have to deal with their bloatware. Forget Windows, Windows is for the rich folks just like Mac OS.
I gave up on windows about 4 months ago and I don't regret it. I have had zero issues with my Linux mint cinnamon and absolutely love it. Windows just breaks to much for my liking. Printers and WiFi dropping out and not being recognized. Linux mint cinnamon is a great os for beginners that don't want a hassle. I will never go back to windows unless Linux just goes away totally. Linux mint is better and runs great on new and old machines and it takes about 1/16 th of the time to install it.
yep takes about 10 minutes or so.. then of course you got some additional stuff to install to your liking. takes me several hours to build a person's box because they don't know squat for the most squat. I've run across windows users that have been running it for years and still have NO ideal WTF NTFS is.
@@leecowell8165 and not knowing about NTFS shows just how user focused rather than technology focused Windows is.
Why do you think Windows wins in the consumer marketplace and Linux doesn't, despite decades of effort by Linux suppliers.
@leecowell8165 WTF is NTFS? I am familiar with EXT, reiser, etc... 😅 ...it is either Linux or FreeBSD for me. I still use Windows in a desktop environment, but for servers, it's gotta be some UNIX-like system.
Thank you ! A lot of good information DJ.
I have a system probably 12 years old ??, intel i7 I believe 2nd generation and same for the ASUS motherboard. Anyway looking at building a new system this fall and I was thinking of just taking my SSD drive and clone to a new M2 storage. This would still have Windows 10. However, this would allow me to finally be able to upgrade to Windows 11 with all the ‘new support motherboard’.
Doing the drive change what type of problems would you forsee going this route verse’s a new fresh install of the OS?
I have lots of stuff on that other drive and looking for the easiest upgrade with having to reinstall everything, plus time involved.
Thanks for any input!
I put Linux Mint on my 70 year old mother-in-law’s Dell all in one PC that was running Win10. The only support call I’ve had so far is about an old Polar fitness device which plugged into USB. I couldn’t get it to work so she bought a new that works on her iPad.
Mint is rhe best! I saved two 10 year old Windows 8 laptops from the trash bin by installing Linux and they are like new computers again. I liked it so much I made a dual boot on my Windows 10 pc. I barely use Windows now.
Wow, 70 year old Dell PC
I know just enough to put an OS on my pc and that is about it. Mint has been my go to for over 5 years. I love it. stable as hang and I've done a few things to my poor pc, while poking in the dark, lol. Lets just say for minor issues, Time shift is your best friend 🙂And the layout of the desktop is familiar to a windows user. For the life of me I don't know why people keep insisting on recomending Ubuntu for those who come from windows, who haven't a clue. I myself had issues with it. The layout was totally foreign to me. And I've never touched a Apple pc, seen only pictures of the OS layout, so no clue. And the layout to me resembled more that than what would be familiar to a windows user.
If you want Linux to have a chance with new users, recommend one that is good and matches the layout of what they know. Makes learning something new so much easier.
@@lucius1976I think the 70 years is more likely to be the age of his mother-in-law.
1954 (exactly 70 years ago) was the release of the IBM 650. It was Mainframe computer filled a complete room. It was the first mass produced computer in the world.
I am German and we have one of these computers in our national technology museum.
Ha! My MIL is 70, the Dell is probably about 10 years old. It started life with Windows 8.1.
I've still got a laptop running Win2k for some OBD-II software that I use on equally old cars. No security issues thus far! (It hasn't seen the internet in probably 20 years.)
Likewise, I have an old Macintosh G3 Beige that's running like Mac OS 8.1 or something and it's connected to the internet, but I've had no problems. I think at this point it's no longer a target for malware. It's just not X86 compatible, it's not 64-bit, so most of what's out there for software and malware just won't do anything with it.
When you run a platform that nobody is using for anything critical, there's nobody trying to exploit it or infect it. And since most of the applications from the period are abandonware, it's free to do just about anything you want.
@@sbrazenor2 this the way to go and the future
I've got several sites still running Server 2K (HVAC controllers) and one on Win 95 (a pipe organ, of all things.) Newer software doesn't exist, hardware retrofits are obscenely expensive. So, we plug along and limit connectivity unless urgent.
Our local ASDA store was running Windows XP up until about 2, maybe 3 years ago, I could not believe my eyes when I walked into the store one day and saw what was clearly Windows XP running while they were updating to a new system which probably would have been Windows 10, it's surprising and not surprising how some companies are not as up to date as we might think.
Not so surprising as many factories computers run Xp or Windows 7. Don't need latest software to run old hardware aka machines.
Thanks for this video. I have 2 media PC's running Windows 10 that can't be upgraded, so I will be very interested in your Linux alternative videos.
Of course this is incomplete both as a description of the problem and as to the potential solutions:
1. Put your PCs behind a firewall on your router, might sound daunting but it isn't very difficult;
2. How often has the average domestic or small business user needed to call Microsoft for product support. I've been using Windows since Windows 3 (1990) and have never had to contact Microsoft for support;
3. Many people use laptops that are old (ours are about 10 years old) and there is no possibility of upgrading them to meet the Windows 11 requirements.
4. Switching to Linux is not as simple as it seems, there are a lot of people who are "computer timid" and rely on everything being familiar and unchanging. For them even minor changes to the user interface in their everyday programs is enough to cause confusion as I have found over the years acting as tech support for family and friends. Then there are the issues surrounding moving data between apps/programs that do not necessarily have compatible data formats.
I agree with everything you wrote. Changing versions of Windows or Operating Systems in an office environment is not a simple task.
I am right now looking at a machine that failed Microsoft's fit-for-Windows-11 test (which I expected but ran out of curiosity anyway). It is old hardware, but comes equipped with enough RAM that, after its bygone days of running Windows 10, it now leads a new and happy life as a Proxmox home lab server. All it took was adding some storage. This machine may not be able to handle Windows 11, but it sure handles several containers and VMs for Linux and BSD just fine - in parallel. Dear Microsoft, when will you learn to make efficient use of resources?
Therein lies the problem. All these so-called "CPU unfit to run Windows 11" messages are a bunch of crapola. They'll run W11 just fine. MS needs a new revenue stream, so they resort to extortion. Linux, here I come.
What is it says isn't enough to run win11 for you?
@@LPgmxDan It has been months since I checked the machine, so the details are a little hazy. However, I clearly remember the lack of TPM 2.0.
Windows new releases requiring new hardware features is another way to sell more PC hardware. Microsoft said that Win10 would be their last major release; it'd all be upgrades from there. However the hardware manufacturers don't like that. They need an impetus for consumers to buy new hardware on the regular so Microsoft backed down and came out with Win11 and Win12 is just over the horizon.
There is nothing wrong with old hardware if it is reliable. I'm writing this on a desktop system I built in 2013 which has run Debian this whole time upgrading release to release. Certainly, it was way overspecced at the time - 16Gb RAM, SSD boot/root disk, 2x2Tb HDD RAID for /home. Over its life, I've had to replace 2 dead HDDs which was a doddle given the RAID1 mirror, and I had to upgrade the graphics card at one point, but it's running Debian 12 really well. I don't really ask a lot of it, but it does what I need and most of what I want.
I'll have to replace it before too much longer but, hey, I'm growing my own vintage system. That's cool.
@@rseichter have you heard about rufus? Pretty sure it can remove that from an iso
My daily computer. Windows 7
I still have a business computer that I run XP. That's because of software and some machine hardware.
I haven't even updated to Windows 10 yet.
I get no crashes, bugs etc. on Windows 7. Happy with it.
windows xp was great software
@@andrewdupuis1151 Windows have never had a more stable OS
I refused to install the very last updates to Win7, just in case they included some "incentives" to upgrade to Win10.
I'm still happily on Win7. The only issue I've had is that the new Serif Affinity Suite, 2.0, won't run on it. But, I don't have any issues with the current Affinity suite I paid for so it's no great loss. Nothing else I run has had any problems either. If I do a new PC build, I'll probably move to Win10, reluctantly.
I still run win xp on my old laptop for DJ'ing. It works without any problems.
My solution is and I have already switched to Linux Mint and it works great, I use it for everything and love it.
ive noticed some refurb sites online selling older HP and Dell office computers running windows 11. did they do a work around to load windows 11 or are these computers up to spec to run the systems ? I dont know but it makes me wonder.
Wonder if Microsoft is going to push out one final update the cripple or slow down computers still running Windows 10, sort of like what Apples does or use to do with their updates.
Historically they sure do.
It's doing that on mine with some bs security update that installs 0% for 5 minutes then just disappears 🤷🏼♂️
Install 'Sledgehammer' and no more updates.
haha, reminded of Vista, way back.
Doubt it since all you would have to do is reinstall windows 10.
Been running Ubuntu since 2006, never regretted it. Got windows on the side in dual-boot for Anti-Cheat games, but as of now I may just quit such games and remove Microsofts malware all together.
That's what I used to do years ago. Had Windows dual boot just for two games. But I didn't play them that often and thus every time I wanted to boot Windows, I was rewarded with half an hour of updates. The wait time slowly but surely discouraged me from playing those games and I nuked the Windows partition. Fortunately, a year later the devs enabled Linux support so I'm able to play everything I want on Linux now:)
@@spicynoodle7419 check out batacera.
Started using Linux when I was pretty young (12), off and on until 2016 when I was in highschool, started using it full-time.
Even back then, Linux had more than enough games for me (I played a lot) and it's gotten literally orders of magnitudes better since.
"durr hurr Linux no game" is not only untrue, it's completely ridiculous. There are plenty of games, people are either unwilling to give up that one single game or *think* a game/application doesn't support Linux when it actually does
Some games with anti-cheat have Linux support turned on, so it's becoming easier and easier!
@@awesomekalin55 yea, something like 80% of Steam games just work out of the box, another 10% work with minor tinkering and only a few have made a conscious choice to not support Loonix
Good video, but I still have some questions. In the past I have tried Linux, and I probably will go that route at the end of support for Windows 10. But having tried other office type software, I haven't found it to be as robust as Microsoft Office. But I'm running an older version of Microsoft Office, that has received all the free patches and updates. If I go to Linux and try to run my existing license of Microsoft Office using Wine, is there any way to carry over all the Microsoft Office patches and updates? Also I have other software that isn't offered in a Linux version, so it looks like there would be a learning curve to run it all using Wine.
If LibreOffice doesn't do it for you (check that first, you can use it on Windows as is), you could try wine (which I have no experience with), and if that doesn't work you can use a VM. There's a mode nowadays to have it basically look like you're just running the software like normal, just a windows window within whatever other OS (like Linux). In other words, you don't have to have all the windows OS stuff or a whole "sub-OS in a window" thing, it hides it and just looks like you're running the program normally, in another OS. I think it's the best bet for things that don't have an equivalent or don't work with wine.
Is that some kind of 2001: A Space Odyssey screen saver running behind you? Where can I get that?!
I don't have any computers running windows 10, but thanks for this video. It's no nonsense and nonjudgmental, just helpful to those who use win10 on informing them about computers and choices they could consider :) Super cool
I'm still running Win7 on a high end 2012 ASUS ROG laptop. Kept it well maintained over the years, completely de-bloated with tons of apps installed, configurations, and tweaks. If I had to reinstall all those apps, configs, and tweaks, it would take years. lol I might try Win10 but that's as far as I would go along with free 0patch. ;)
As others have shared, even though I’m not a windows user, I really appreciate the clear, non-judgemental, informative tone of the video. It really is always about making an informed choice based on one’s particular circumstance and the only person really equipped to do that is the person deciding. Thank you for treating us viewers and intelligent and thoughtful! Definitely one of the reasons I keep coming back! ❤
how about we protect it ourself? Malwarebytes still works right? ive heard Bit defender antivirus is good but needs acc :(
guys what are you doing for games on linux? and if any of you use linux for audio production are audio plugins compatible with any software on linux?
Gave up windows 20 years ago.😊 SO glad I did
Anybody out there remember Windows 2000 eventually Microsoft will run out of numbers and have no CHOICE but to extend older Operating Systems.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in nahh they'll just start naming it again
@cuddles1767 I use Debian, FreeBSD and OpenBSD btw
Would if only Linux would support the programs I use...
But you come to laugh at all the dum Windows users lol, me too😂
Windows 7 was the perfect (as close as you can get from MS anyway) OS for me. It did what it was supposed to, and otherwise left me alone. They should sell a "Classic" version of Windows 7 modernized for current tech and vulnerabilities. I bet they would sell hundreds of millions of copies.
W7 didn't spy on you enough or sell you enough or advertise to you enough. And no one wanted to pay to upgrade to a better Windows. A total failure of an OS - in Microsoft's eyes
They would, but they are not bright enough over there at Microsoft. Just look at Windows 11 for an example.
MS peaked at dos3.3
I'm using an Alienware Aplha r2 and I cant upgrade my specs at all for windows 11, Linux might be my only move here, or buy a new pc by Oct 2025. Any opinions on that?
Thankyou for you informed information on the is happening with windows 11
Tux is waiting with open arms 😅
I am keeping Windows 7 for the rest of my life. I have all the service packs and software I need to keep it running perpetually. We will fight in the beaches, we will fight in the hills. We will never surrender!
😂 win7 was pretty good…. that was the last one for me
I built a machine with new old stock hardware just to run 7, 64 bit. I'll not give it up for nothing, I can even tether my new phone with it to go online if need be. Outside of that i only use it to run my older offline games. 7 was and still is my OS of choice even though I run 10 and 11.
@@garyr7027 Way to go, glad to hear there's a group of us. We'll have to put Win 7 in a nice computer science museum some day.
I will keep it on my older pc's, and I'll stick with windows 10 on my current pc.
👍👍👍
THERE ya go man!
That's the spirit!
You've got you're azimuth set JUST RIGHT!
If not yourself then some good enterprising soul should supply those service packs guaranteed pristine-clean for an amount. Heck, I'd buy no-prob!
Onward and upward . . .
Chapters and summary! Great service, paid a like and saw the commrsls.
I only moved from 7 to 10 last summer. I think I will be ok.
Windows 10 LTSC (until Windows 11 LTSC comes out) with Chris Titus Tech's tool for optimizing (The Ultimate Windows Utility) is another path
i'm rolling for windows 11 ltsc insider preview and the watermark is gone on build 26100.1, public release must be near.
But you'll still have the issue of lack of security updates.
@@tomtube1012 security updates until 2032 Windows 10 LTSC Ent/ lot
@@Bunnymorphosis Could you provide me with an ISO?
@@tomtube1012that’s literally what LTSC is. Security updates
Every time Microscam updates 11 they manage to break something else. In addition the latest reports would seem to indicate that they are going to start restricting third party apps. The consensus seems to be that they are going to force users to only use apps from their store.
Yes! My job issued Win10 laptops. And upgrading to Win11 was mandatory last year. Some of my coworkers had issues with the updates. Just last week, an update made the computer completely unusable for work. Now they have to ship her a new laptop.
Microsoft phased out their QA team. What they do now is they just release updates in stages and see what bug reports come back. Then they fix it. So there's a chance you're going to be a lab rat when you run Windows if you're one of the first ones that gets updated. I think they have a scheme where they abuse their partners the worst with that deal. The insiders and what have you. So if you're just a normie you're pretty safe. Still, the lack of real testing is somewhat unsettling.
even if its outdated at that time? Will one still be able to use those common anti virus programs? One guy at a tech repair store told me that. That he still at this time uses windows 7 just install anti virus on it. Dont know if that is true?
😮just found out my Galaxy 8+ went EOL 2years ago (!?) Apps starting to "Not work with your antiquated garbage."
Bought it as a refurb from Ebay, for the camera & necessarily larger battery. Would you have a suggestion for my next Leap?
Thanks!
(02/29 Rox)
I've run DOS and Windows straight through since DOS 3.0 and have never called Microsoft; I've always researched and solved my own roadblocks. Half the time my PCs have tried to do updates and ended up telling me they can't install (and the "help" never does) so they back out all the changes and try again next time I boot up. I ended up using 3rd party software to turn off Windows updates completely and have never had a problem even being very active online. Deciding to image my drives and keep at least 3 physical hard drives (now SSDs) has worked wonderfully. You can learn a lot being a DIYer for 32 years
Yeah, I had to laugh when he talked about "calling MS for support," like they've ever given any support whatsoever! Like you, I use 3rd party SW to block "upgrades." I also use O&O's Shut Up 10+ which stops telemetry. MS has no business knowing my business!
What imaging software are you using? I need to image my SSD drive against future failures. Thanks in advance. 👍
My PC can't run Win11 so about 6 months ago I decided to give linux Mint a try in anticipation of W10's end of life. Installation was a breeze, it even found and installed proprietary drivers for my Nvidia gpu, network, printer, everything worked without any fiddling about. (And this installation process took a fraction of the time windows does), Set it up as a dual boot system to hedge my bets, but now I can't remember last time I booted to windows.
I'm going to have to try this some time. I'd never heard of it until today.
When Win7 went EoL, many people I know switched to Mac and Linux. The newer Windows are as unfamiliar and perhaps more than some Linux setups. Microsoft decided that desktops need to look more like tablets and the straightforward ways of having clear margins to things, buttons that are obvious to click with a mouse, keyboard based input and navigation etc are either obsolete or second class.
Turns out a lot of people prefer those things strongly enough to install an OS believe it or not. If not for their OEM monopoly, Windows would be dead by now.
@mreverybody1150 Mint Cinnamon is an excellent choice. The learning curve is minimal and it just plain works.
The welcome/setup steps were not an ordeal of hitting "not now", "skip", "no thanks", "maybe later" in the face of hard sell and can we log your every move. With Mint I was asked sensible stuff like "would you like to set a back-up", "Would you like to install these non GNU drivers", "Here's how the Software Manager works", "you can find settings here".....
@@mreverybody1150 Mint is so, so easy to install. To set up as dual boot, install Windows 10 first (I can't afford a new machine to try it with Win 11 yet ). Use Pendrive Linux to write the latest Linux ISO to a USB stick. Boot your Win 10 machine to the USB stick and try the OS first before installing it. -- Then if you decide to install Mint, follow the instructions that come up. It'll ask you how much of the hard drive you want for Windows, and the rest for Mint, with a slider set to 50/50. Continue and towards the end of the installation it'll look for other OS, find Windows, and set the GRUB boot-up screen so that you have the choice of Linux or Windows on start up. Plenty of free software available - click the Software Manager button.
As a complete dumbo in such matters does this mean that the security packages you can buy eg VPNs etc, will not keep the system safe and secure once windows 10 is no longer supported?
Hi, my computer is capable of upgrading to Windows 11, but I get the error (0x80070643) and Microsoft hasn't fixed it yet...what can I do?
Windows 10 obsolete? Join the penguin army!
I would use Linux if it were useful. Tried it many times from its early days on forward. Linux people refuse to listen to complaints.
@@JeffSherlock Well, it's that or windows. Or you can try mac.
@@UndeadCrabstick Been there done that.
still can't sleep, can't use bluetooth
Been using Linux Mint since LM19, Ubuntu before that. Windows lost me when they did away with W7, but I had played with Linux off and on for many years before that. Linux Mint is a fairly seamless transition from Windows for most people.
LM is awesome. Most normies only use their browser anyway, so they might not even notice if you switch the OS on them.
@@TheYoungtrust 85% of all Computer users do email, photos, documents, videos, and a photo and paint app. The rest is browser based. So Mint suits most people. If you know what your doing, you can customize it any way you want. Something you wouldn't know, judging by your comment.
@@TheYoungtrust if all you're using is a browser Linux can definitely handle doing that. Although I'm concerned when Chromium puts the limit on add ons. I'm going to have to switch browsers then. I need my ad blocker.
@@1pcfred Firefox has been way better for me. You can import your bookmarks automatically, you can even make it remember your passwords if you set it up that way the transition has never been easier.
LM19 LTS is still within the support window, I believe.
I use Debian 12 i love it it's slowly become my favorite operating system. Really the only time i boot into Windows 10 or 11 anymore is just for some gaming.
Windows 7 works beautifully for me and has never given any trouble. As a (presumably) "typical" laptop user I'm surprised that the vast majority of computer users are taken in and panicked by Microsofts's propaganda: the claimed "need" for constant "updates" and "upgrades". There are ways to protect an OS against "vulnerabilities" without Microsoft's intrusive "support". Have these people never heard the maxim "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?
Windows 7 64-bit was the worst obese top-heavy resource hungry incompatible piece of bat crap ever! No drivers for peripherals; that's why I switched to Ubuntu (ooh booon tooh) and Mint, now Debian-based MX Linux. That's just the very best OS out there, if you want to get work done.
Thank you for the detailed breakdown Donald Sutherland Sir! I had no idea you were an IT expert too!
no negative vibes, man
Yeah, show some respect for this IT expert that is sharing his wisdom and time.
Well explained!
Shit I'm still using Windows 7 and I am stuck with it because there are no drivers for custom video equipment past win 7
when win10 dies will you still be able to use your win10 key to register your win11 and just use OpenShell?
This is good. I can't wait for when Windows stops trying to force-install Copilot in my machine.
Like they tried to force cortana on us with windows 10?
Been on Mint XFCE since covid, definitely don't miss windoze!
This looks like the best distribution at the moment.
Did that BS virus infect your Windows?
@@Felix_Fausto554 the best Linux distribution is always the one that you customize yourself. I don't run Mint personally. I have. They're Johnny come latelies as far as I'm concerned though. I run gray beard Linux, better known as Debian. Which is Mint's grandfather. Debian begat Ubuntu and Ubuntu begat Mint.
I switched to Linux Mint Debian Edition a few months ago. I like this better than I ever liked Windows. I have a clunker laptop that runs like a champ under Linux.
LMDE6 is a beaut, in terms of productivity.
@@Noyota2 When I started with LMDE 6 I was a little intimidated by the terminal. It turned out to be easier to learn than I thought.
I am still waiting for Windows 10 end of support. By that time, I can upgrade all my PCs from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
The most mature OS is when it reaches end of support.
Perfect time to switch to Linux. I'm glad this video popped up in my stream.
lmao he didn't mention macOS. I like this guy more every video I see.
I beleive I have Windows 10.5. Can't get anywhere due to Networking problem that pops up. I believe this happened after an update, not to sure. I have a Gaming laptop but don't ever play games etc. Windows does ask me if I want to upgrade to Windows 11 as if my laptop is compatible. Haven't yet to upgrade yet to my knowledge as Im troubled/clueless with this Networking problem! So the laptop has been unplugged and not used for quite awhile now! Note: I've only used this laptop for email, CZcams, pictures etc. What is your opinions in these matters I have going on here b4 I mess something up, lol?? Thx so much
How do you make a Windows backup when data is commingled with the OS?
I had been back on Windows mostly because I play games. When I first came across the scheduled EOL date for Win10, I quickly migrated all my systems back over to 100% Linux and was very impressed to how well it handles gaming now with Proton.
Looking cool bro.
Appreciate it
My main desktop is running 11 but my older Lenovo X1 Carbon Gen3 is not 11 compliant, so once again I thought I'd try a Linux distro. Fortunately, I happened on Pop OS primarily because the developer System76 sells laptops running the OS, so I felt they would work at making sure it was a smooth and reliable version of Linux. Astonishingly, I was right! I literally installed Pop OS onto my Lenovo and it worked perfectly. No command line shenanigans or crashes, it just worked. I used Belena Etcher on my PC to burn a thumbdrive with the distro, plugged it into the Lenovo and it installed the first time. No drama or anything. It would appear that desktop Linux has come of age. I could install the Chrome browser but for the moment I'll stick with the installed Firefox and see how that works for me. I even installed Steam and installed a game from my library. Call me impressed.
Great Vid, understand what you're saying, but yeah, it's a great idea, IF... you know what you are doing, and are vigilant & have all your ducks in a row (security-wise)
But i get it, this is worrying for the average user for sure
thanks so much! really useful advice
You're very welcome!
For some things I need windows, my gaming pc is pretty new so it already has windows 11, for my old pc and laptops I'm in the process of moving those to Linux, because 1 my usecase for those old computers is possible on Linux, and I don't want to throw them away and replace them with expensive new ones, so essentially I'll be doing both Windows and Linux, depending on the machine and my usecase for it.
I thought I heard Windows 11 on my newest HP will require biometric in lieu of a password? Does anyone know if this is optional, or required, now?
Interesting , Thank You
After using both Linux & Win 10 for years i finally switched fully to linux.
I was only deferring it for games but my Steam library hit critical mass two months ago and that was that.
Life goes on after Windows dies. 🙂👍
edit: Linux Mint LTS btw.
👁🗨"Life goes on after Windows dies". Amen to that 👍
I encourage three distros all the time for those wanting to switch (depending on their skill level/how much they want to learn). They are Mint, Fedora, and EndeavorOS.
Pop OS! is also quite good. I use that and it's stable, well maintained, and for those of us that use Nvidia hardware, they have the drivers pre-baked into one of their images for each release. (I have manually installed them, but it's nice to just have everything work with your first post-install boot.)
@@sbrazenor2 I wanted to love pop but it always had issues with stuttering after a few weeks. I don't think it's bad but I'm personally not recommending it over mint for new users.
All new users should run Linux From Scratch. Because the struggle is real! Failing that either Arch or Gentoo may be appropriate first time distros. They're not going to learn anything with any package managed distro.
@@1pcfred learning comes later. If you chuck them into the deep end without time to figure out the basics, they'll run away without ever having learned anything.
@@1pcfred lol, you really don't want people using Linux, huh?
i'm still using win8.1 on my main machine, and win xp on a few others for special purposes(not online connected), all work perfectly , they cannot run win 11(the win8.1 'can' , just about, run win10 but too sluggish), and i cannot afford new machines(they were all 2nd hand cheap when i got them) , why should i be 'forced' to buy new if what i have works for what i want?
what about using Malwarebytes as an antivirus? is that enough to protect the PC. I have a family member who is 90 years old and not up to learning anything new. i don't want to change anything.
I've been Windows free for 14 years now, life is not perfect, but is so much better.
You look very nice DJ👍!
Thank you very much
i am using a 2009 iMac running FreeBSD which is suitable for my light task of watching videos and easier to manage. What are your thoughts of the update cycle between the OS in terms of stability and frequency.
That is the hipster of hipsters move, running FreeBSD lol.
Joking aside I love linux and will one day get to learning FreeBSD.
I have dozens of computers, but for some reason I use an old iMac (2011) more than anything. (I'm writing this comment from it.) It's just a great form factor, it sounds and looks great even now at its advanced age, and it still does quite a bit more than anyone might think it should. (The Intel i-Series chips seem to endure pretty well.)
I have much more powerful workstation and gaming PC level equipment, but this old iMac next to my recliner is the perfect lounging computer for when you want to just surf the internet and watch CZcams or movies.
@@sbrazenor2 the one I'm using is from 2009 running a core 2 duo chip so the machine is still usable for light tasks.
@@sbrazenor2 I'm still on a 2011 Probook 4430s myself, this thing has been a daily driver for me for over 10 years and I am not ready to let her go. That sucker taught me how to work on computers and sparked my hobby of pc building, it was my first disassembly, ram upgrade, cpu upgrade, SSD install, everything you could do, it taught me how to do.
The brightness keys and fingerprint scanner don't work on Win10, the keyboard is visibly worn (but still crisp and smooth), there is a spot to the left of the mousepad where my hand has worn through the paint from useage, the bottom case panel doesn't quite fit flush now after a drop, and it needs a wifi dongle to get proper signal now as the original card was unstable (and I ended up replacing the card with a bluetooth card to restore that function for Win10). Original battery, original charger. Still chugging along.
I need 10 and Office to operate my old laptop. I want to update before 10 is vaporized. How can I purchase?
I did not know this thank you! 🙏🏻 time for an upgrade 😂
Congratulations on your video.
I found it extremely illustrative and thoughtful. I have encountered many fanatics who tout the advantages of their operating systems and attack those that are not to their liking. For me an operating system is a means and not an end, that allows me to use a computer, besides no operating system is perfect, they all have their advantages and disadvantages.
In relation to the above, since windows 8 I opted for Gnu Linux. After trying several distros, I have finally opted for Zorin Os (Pro version), which is very complete, easy to use and, thanks to Lutris, allows me to play my favorite game: Diablo II Resurrected.
Thank you, @germanklenner5671
Thankfully I only need Windows for about 10 more months to finish working on an XR project for my study, then I can finally format it and stop dualbooting.
That is a long time, I don't think we have much to worry about.
I will continue to use it like I still use Windows 7 when I need to. I will start to evaluate Linux Mint. I run my Windows 7 and 10 through a VPN router and lots of backups.
I got a mini PC to run windows on since I still need a windows machine for some work stuff. Windows 11 finally got me to switch my main machine to Pop OS though.
I have running 98se, Vista and XP pro setups running on my internal network. I still play with VisualBasic, Bryce5 and DOS based games.
I have 3 desktops. Two of them are running Windows 7. Only my gaming rig runs 10. And that was only because I was struggling to get Windows 7 to work with a Ryzen based system. Use O&O Shutup 10 to keep Microsoft from trying to take control of my own pc from me. I won't be using 11.
For me, it means nothing, but a random date on the calendar I couldn't care about. I have no need for Microsoft's support or fixes. Risk is perfectly manageable. Worst case, I have to wipe a machine and install fresh.
Is there an alternative to changing all these windows systems as I am sick of having to update my computer every couple of years?
I mean, if Linux works for you, it's free and doesn't do this like ever, unless you want to go to another distro/version. Just does normal updates, and doesn't try to force them on you or do it without your consent or when you're not ready. So you can do them or not as you like, when you like. Might have to look around a bit for a distro you like. "Mint" seems to be highly recommended, I've heard a bit about "Pop! OS" too. Something more focused on games maybe might make that easier (running Steam stuff), otherwise might take more tinkering to get it going.
I'm on Windows 11 (customized & stripped to the core by me of course) & I can safely say, no Default Windows ISO is any good! I've been using Linux alongside Windows since the days of XP, so I stay up to date on both sides. The thing is, being pretty tech savvy myself, I have blocked basically most services on my W11 Pro & quite frankly, it works 100 times better than the stock ISO.
I also actively ripped Windows Update. Came to realize that so long as I keep some security software around & don't click 💩 one's not supposed to click on, I'm golden. Updates are worthless on W11, especially cumulative ones. Just got to maintain my drivers etc manually & all else works like a charm! (I have High-end hardware too BTW).
I like your content, non the less, sir! I always appreciate watching videos like this one! Just seeing how other Fellas see things! Keep up the good work!😊😊
Edit: I also blocked any future updates, forcing 23H2 to stay as the system's version.
Edit #2: Thanks for being very open minded & kind! You're one of the few who don't go like "switch to Linux, or kys" style.
You said in summation that “you could move to Linux”, but is *BSD not a viable option as well? :)
theoretically, yes
practically speaking, not really
the only bsd really viable for desktop use is vanilla freebsd imo, since ghostbsd is still ironing out a few kinks from what i remember, and the bsds also have less hardware support than linux
netbsd and openbsd *can* be used as desktops but they have fewer programs which a typical desktop user would want, since they're even more so meant to be used as servers than freebsd or linux
I'm kind of old fashioned, I don't list something I have not actually tried to use in that manner, I use BSD on a daily basis for pfSense and for one of my ZFS pools. Maybe I should try and move a windows environment over to one of the BSD's and do a video on it.
@@CyberGizmo That would be outstanding!
One thing nobody ever talks about is third party security programs, Trend Micro for example, and other programs like that. Now I don't know anything about these programs, but I would imagine they will be taking advantage of the lack of security updates for windows 10 to sell their programs. Do you think this may become a viable option in 2025?
I just have one question ! I am running windows XP on an old machine. Super smooth . It is much better than windows 11 ! Can i go on the internet or should i stay at home ? I cannot do without what I drive on it ! On the other hand i have another pc running windows 11 ! Maybe i should just install windows XP on both machines !