First Ride On The Master
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2022
- Join me as I take the Master on my first ride into the mountains, climbing ~5000-feet on a street ride. How does it compare to the same ride on the EX-N?
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I see that Eevees has left an impression. Liking the metric-imperial conversion 😀
You ride in the most beautiful places in the country and act nonchalantly lol... always appreciate your work Marty Keep em coming.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the unit conversions. Helps a lot, especially speed and weight.
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A higher voltage does not mean there is more total energy stored in the battery.
Watt-hour (Wh) is a unit of energy and, exactly as you say, is what indicates the range to be expected.
However, a higher voltage does yield more power from the same amount of current, which is desirable for a high-torque wheel, because:
- It takes time for the current to change, so you want to minimise the change needed to access the power
- Higher currents increase energy losses as heat
- Higher currents need larger and heavier conductors
A higher voltage IS more efficient, as there is less wastage, but not to the extent that there would be a noticeable different in range for the same number of Watt-hours of energy.
Voltage * Current * Time(Hours) = Energy(Wh)
It was nice of your friend to let you ride his Master first. The place you went to is very beautiful.
Thank you for the metric conversion as well 👍
Thanks for the info Marty, I'm hoping that you get to do your regular range test on it.
Thanks for pasting metrics in the video! :)
Indeed, very considerate.
nice pants! thanks Marty, always enjoy watching. Cheers from Australia.
As someone who likes more technical riding, the high pedals are a huge bonus. Let's you take advantage of the very edge of the tire and gets you over rocks and stuff. 🙂
Check out my upcoming rocky trail ride on the Master. The wheel is awesome in that environment.
Good video and thanks for the metric conversions 👍
hey Marty those pants really go nicely with your gear im a green lover to i just like it a bit more darker green nice vid
Thank you for the metric conversions.
Excited to see how it handles the trails tomorrow!
Best trail wheel ever, from my perspective. Video soon.
Thanks for the feedback. Wheel looks great but as you say this higer voltage is not making a massive difference.
Higher voltage isn't going to produce more range. Same batteries configured differently. In fact it might lead to less range, because there is potentially more power and torque available (depending on the motor) and the temptation will be to use it. I think also that any efficiency gain you may get with less resistance losses in the motor, will be lost in higher current per cell discharge on the batteries.
You know range can be a tricky thing with these wheels even with specs boasting a "134.4v" LiTech Samsung.., whatever battery. Lol. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter when the range caps somewhere in the mid 70s. But heck, I could be remissed. As always, enjoyed the content, though. 😊
I'm totally happy with the range that I'm getting on the Master. It's what I would expect for any 2400wh wheel. I was only curious whether a 134-volt wheel would be more efficient - it's not as best as I can tell.
looking good ....
An interesting test would be to do the same ride with this wheel but drive to the top first. Then ride down and back up again. I’ve always heard the wheel is more efficient when the battery is full or higher voltage. So it would be interesting to see the stats are when this ride is done in reverse. When the up hill is the second half of the ride instead of the first. Just have to watch the regen I guess to make sure the wheel doesn’t over charge/cutout.
As far as this test goes it seem right in there with my 2400 Wh Monster V3 84V. Although it will still be interesting to see you do your normal range test to 0% if you get a chance. 👍🏼 We can compare it with your old Monster test. Thanks for the videos…
I just realised your into UK grrime just going on your intro to the video :))
thnak u forreview and for units conversion (miles-kms.......) i'am follower from france ansd it's not easy to make conversions evrey 5 minutes haha
I could only see the higher voltage being more efficient at higher speeds. Where it shouldn't draw as much amps
Not bad at all. I was expecting worse esp AR only got 40miles. You can got almost 50miles with 36% batt left after a hefty climb. I know there's regen coming down but it doesn't even up. Goings flats will def net more range. I think the Master mite do the trick of replacing the EXN for me as max I've done so far is 50miles & I can't foresee doing much more. Thanks for the update 👍
I'm not at all disappointed with the range of the Master. It's in line with what I would expect for the 2400wh wheel. The EX-N is a 2700wh wheel.
It has almost the same range as the 1800 wh Nikola Plus. Not really meant for long range riding.
Make a video on how to wheel change on master.
looks like you got disappointed at the end of the ride😅 thank you for honest review as always😁
Not at all. Maybe only "slightly" disappointed that the 134-volt system doesn't offer some magical increase in range efficiency. But instead it's right in line with what I would expect for a 2400wh wheel. Not disappointed.
Mastar and Commander! Thank you!
Now for a 40t battery setup! With possibly a street tire? Wonder if this would gain them 10 extra miles?
40T batteries allow a higher current drain but would reduce the range since their energy density (Wh capacity) is less. However, a street tire with less rolling resistance would help to increase range.
Nice video Marty - thank you!
I put together a quick reference that I hope you and your subscribers find useful.
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Begode Master
Here is some reference info for this wheel / battery configuration:
2400 Wh Li-Ion
21700 size cells
Four 33.6v packs (connected in series at control board) for total of 134.4v
100% = 134.4v
50% = 118.4v
0% = 102.4v (3.2v per cell for safety margin)
32v spread between 0% and 100%
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Quick Reference Chart:
134.4v = 100% charge (4.2v per cell)
118.4v = 50% (3.7v per cell - “nominal” storage charge - best voltage to extend battery life when not used for more than 3 days)
115.1v = 39.6% (115.1-102.4) / 32 = .396 = 39.6%
- Note: This formula can be used for any voltage with this wheel / battery combination. Just substitute your voltage in place of the “115.1”. This voltage mentioned in video.
106v = Low power alarm (Begode firmware spec)
105.6v = 10% charge (ideal stopping point - recharging required to avoid alarm and tiltback)
104v = Low power tiltback (Begode firmware spec)
102.4v = 0% (3.2v per cell) minimum as margin to prevent damage - 3.0v/cell is absolute minimum - anything lower will damage cells
Voltages often don’t drop in a linear curve so rate of decline may increase as you deplete battery
The higher voltage of the Master enables higher RPMs (speed) from a given torque design motor
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What's the song at the beginning? It's 3 into 1?
I just rewatched your Monster V1 or V2 review. That was a 2400 wh battery and you got 65 miles with it. Looks like this is going to get roughly the same range, maybe slightly less. Do you think your speeds have increased on this ride vs. that range test?
That Monster V1 video was like 4-years ago. I can't even remember it :-) I'm not disappointed with the Master regards range.
Low 60's cold, lol.
Higher voltage just means less current for same wattage, smaller wiring, less wire weight and should be less heat...
A big battery tech jump / not weighing anything / removing air resistance entirely are the only ways we’re getting “wow” range (other than a battery suicide pack)
Why would higher voltage alone give you a more efficient ride?
the amount of energy required to carry your body a certain distance doesn’t change.
maybe you lose less energy to heat with higher voltage? in principle?
Battery? 50e? Planning to preorder soon to compliment my Commander 👽
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@@ElectricUnicycles TY!
Awesome 😎 thanks brother 🙏do you think this would be a good first wheel?? If not what should I get??
Not a good beginner wheel IMO. Still… if you wanna put the work in, you won’t outgrow it any time soon. Best beginner wheel is whatever your friends let you borrow. Then spend 3K on a wheel.
16x is good for starters
"The best beginner wheel is the one you can borrow"
> when you have no friends
> when you realize noone will borrow you an EUC
#feelsbadman
As Roger says, this would not be a good beginner wheel. It has a high center of gravity and tall pedals which would not be conducive to learning on.
Just buy a cheap wheel your gonna scuff up your first wheel so you should just get a cheap one
thanks for metric system
Looking for recommendations. I've never used an electric unicycle but it looks like it would be great for my local paragliding spot. The ride would be 2.5 miles, 700 ft of gain, about 23 degree max slope for about 1/2 a mile on a dirt road. I weigh 210 pounds with all my gear, weather is always around 60F or colder. I want something lightweight and capable of charging up the hill without a problem and can still fit in my paraglider harness (about the size of a medium backpack). Inmotion v8f looks like a good fit but i would appreciate advice from someone experienced.
Will you be flying the paraglider with the wheel in your backpack? If that's the case than the V8F would be fine for that distance and weight. Something to also consider is the 84-volt Mten3. A super small with with extreme torque. It could easily cover the distance that you're talking about yet it's smaller than the V8F.
@@ElectricUnicycles I bought the begode mcm5 v2 a few days after asking this. The snow hasn't left the trail yet so i haven't tried the hill yet, but my intent is to fly down with the euc and ride it back up. I liked the mten3 but wasn't sure it would be enough to make it so i went for the mcm5. I've put about 140km on the mcm5 so far, super fun. I'm already looking at selling it and getting a suspension euc for fun and an mten3 for the hill.
@@Richplaceholder Thanks for the update. The MCM5 is a fun little wheel. Suspension is definitely where it's at in 2022. Lots of options now and the future is all wheels will have suspension.
Completely unrelated to this video. But your car is ridiculously clean.
Marty what is that led light on the back of your helmet? Is that a separate purchase or part of the helmet?
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@@ElectricUnicycles you rock! TY…
Hard for me to grasp how demanding 1500ft elevation are on the batteries compared to mostly flat streets. But even after seeing Alienrides and Zen Lee's range test, both around 35-40 miles at slightly higher speeds (25-30 mph) this still feels bad in comparison to the exn.
Not sure if this would work for me as an only-wheel. For daily errands, commutes etc. it woukd probably be fine and fun, but on a weekend trip 150 km+ this would probably limit me too much. Wish this was a 3000 Wh wheel. Their tank version seems to heavy imo.
I climbed 5000-feet not 1500-feet :-)
@ElectricUnicycles
metric folk here, 1500m it is then 😅
I heard many good things about the nikola+ but I don't really think it is the wheel for me. I'm mostly looking for an allrounder, but knowing me, range will be the driving factor long term.
Since there are no good beginner wheels for a minor investment and used wheels are impossible to find in the EU/locally, I'm contemplating going all out and directly buy a capable wheel.
I'd have loved a V10+ as first wheel, but at this price tag, I'd rather invest a few hundred more and get a vehicle that really satisfies my needs.
Also, as much as I dislike begode for their quality (control) issues. I must say they did a great job on the master. A 2nd/3rd gen of this wheel with some modification might be great.
@Scouts Honor What's the range you're seeing with the AR+?
I try to upload a long video like Marty does. But CZcams limits the file size to 256 GB and 12 hours. My video is 1 hour and 50 minutes long and 320 GB.
The video I took, was off a great ride in Belgium. But I must be careful with my old Sherman. That's why I neeeeed the Master. I already preordered the S22. I want the Sher-MAX, because... range.
320 GB's??? You have to process the video with an editor and not upload a raw video. A 1-hour 4k video should be ~10GB's.
What app is that your using Marty?
It's a beta app that I don't believe is widely available just yet.
Preordered from alien rides with the molicel batteries.
what do you expect from molicell,what is better when samsund E50?
@@LALOBE1 i expect 45a discharge rate with 2c+ recharge rate
Is that why you have so many pads on😀 first time ride on the master 💥🤘
I have gear on because I'm old and don't want to break any MORE bones from EUC riding. You can ride naked 🙂
@@ElectricUnicycles no thanks 🐷 I always wear a helmet and really should take the time to put pads on more 👍⛑️
If you could choose between Begode Master, Hero or KS S 22, which one suspension wheel is the best for you ?
This is a really difficult choice. I own all three wheels. The Hero may be the best choice for being tough and survivable in lots of low torque situations. But it's not a fast wheel and the range is limited.
The S22 feels very refined and has a beautiful ride. The suspension is firmer than the Master but still very nice. I don't yet know how the range compares to the Master but it'll probably be slightly less.
The Master feels more raw and simpler than the S22. It's noticeably more powerful than any other wheel ever made. Although the S22 is capable of high speeds it takes more user input (lean) to achieve those speeds.
So if you're looking for an awe inspiring level of power (acceleration and speed) then the Master is your wheel. Otherwise you may prefer the S22.
Difficult choices.
@@ElectricUnicycles thanks for taking the time to respond, I appreciate. I like to ride smooth with the best confort. ( I miss your amazing lanes in CA!) I don’t exceed 20mph, cause I think it’s dangerous, and of course I can have more range. I own a S18, I plan to make a Compostelle trip (1200 km). I thought to buy the S22, but every single day, I see problem with this wheel , a shame for a engine that cost almost $4000 . I’d like to ride and reach 100km on a single charge , maybe the Hero could deal with.
@@DJChrismaz Based on what you've written I think the Master would be the ideal suspension wheel. It has the softest/smoothest suspension and the biggest battery. And just because it can go very fast doesn't mean that you have to. I mostly ride between 28 and 40kph. Every once in awhile I'll go faster. The latest release of the Master is supposed to have more parallel battery cells so it'll be safer if one of the batteries fails.
Thanks a lot
Hello Marty, I wonder how long it took to wear all your gear up !
Not very long and I feel very safe :-)
Less time than getting a cast/bandages!
I would be afraid in the mountains by myself
funny. it has a kickstand but he leans it on the car tire. :)
I only use the kickstand when I don't have anything to lean it against. Regardless of how good the kickstand is it will never be as stable as a wall/fixed-object.
Thanks for the video, useful information. Blue and Red flashers on your helmet, Police wont like it
I ride by the police (in California) all the time. They wave and smile :-)
Does that say Gotway in Arabic?
Not sure if going for range at 17 mpr is what 134 volts was intended for. In fact, I believe those volts may have equipped the Master with a different set of "non special" abilities. Abilities, in which somehow, no other wheel in the world possess right now. Then again possibly it really is just an average wheel. You know what I mean? Average, like in the way it supplies High Torque plus Record Breaking Top Speeds. So, therefor maybe you're right about the Master not being anything special, or.......maybe your chinstrap is on too tight.
LOL
Hello
I wish I could help but having a dialog via comments isn't very practical. It's really just a matter of manipulating the app. Have you gone to the EUC World website. There is a very comprehensive video by Seba that walks you through how to use it. You can also download the latest Begode app and it will allow you to fully configure the wheel.
@@ElectricUnicycles thanks
Just my opinion: As far as i know the temp problems are ONLY on the HS C30 motor…never on the HT C38 motors.
Not true. The C38 RS and C38 Commander have awful overheating issues.
Seeing a lot of people disappointed with the wheel so far, Not GOOD, NOT GOOD!!
If you had the impression that I was disappointed, you are wrong. It's a fantastic wheel that get's the range that I would expect for a 2400wh wheel. I just thought the new 134-volt system might be more efficient. It's not.
But that does NOT mean that I'm disappointed.
On the contrary...I see the opposite... from all the people i have seen, they all love the Master for its simplicity of design, and speed... this is not a Range wheel.. this is a Speed wheel.
While I'm disappointed it has only 2400Wh (which is stated and on par with what it should achieve range-wise) it clearly delivers on the engineering design.
It is still very prototype-y looking, but the materials, construction, battery system seems the simplest and in terms of quality and waterproofing the best stock wheel by a long shot.
If it only had 3000Wh battery...
@@ElectricUnicycles I did from the video get a bit of disappointment quite a bit. From the tone of your voice the over enthusiasm. Now from the time that I wrote this, I see that a lot more people are happier with the wheel.
@@privileguan9127 Not sure why a wheel this powerful would have a battery that small, it makes no sense. 100v wheels have 3600 Watt hour batteries
Man you scape from a graveyard or something ??? What a boring review rise that mood grandpa
He's retired!
Must be his first time in the channel😂
Sniff more meth and tune in some upbeat music.
No reason for a overly hyped "review", esp. since it's a first ride experience.
You're a TicToc kinda guy huh?
Just so you know, we don't call him Mr.Excitement for nuffin 🤣. JK ofcos, we enjoy your reviews Marty 🥳