Begode Master Review // I sold my KingSong S22
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 04. 2022
- After a bit of a delay, I finally got my hands on the production Begode Master, here are my thoughts.
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Mad props to you for keeping it real with the transparency. This will keep the pressure on EUC companies to keep the competition. This is good for our community. Thank you for making quality content like this.
Mad ditto!
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Love the honesty in this video. WOW fanatic how you gave credit to Begode. Great work
Damn! He was one of the main reasons why I kept my deposit down on the S22 even after the fire in NYC. His transparency made be think Kingsong would "get it right" before the official launch.
Great review! Thanks for taking time to make this video and share your option on the Master!! đđ
Fantastic review. Short, honest, and to the point.
Thanks Jack for making me feel good about my decision to switch my pre-order from S22 to the Master. It was a very hard decision for me to make that I was still thinking about it if I made the right choice after I made the switch . You nailed it! My biggest concern was maintenance of those sliders on the S20 because its open to dust and mud. I really hate doing maintenance. That's what made me switch.
Literally just pre-ordered s-22. Probably be changing it to master on Monday.
I ordered mine 2 days ago . Thanks for info .
"We're gonna hit a really knarly trail right next to Whoam" 00:49 . Not poking fun, just thought that was funny.
Thanks for the great video!!! Very very informative
lol my voice is fucked up
Safety warning or at least something to think about:
Begode master has all packs wired up in series.
Which means if 1 pack fails you will have a cut off.
Even if 1 cell in a pack fails it could cause a cut off.
S20/22 have 2 packs in parallel
Inmotion V11 & V12 have 2 packs in parallel
If 1 pack fails the other is still active to balance the wheel.
"S20/22 have 2 packs in parallel" - so it burns 2x faster? :)
On a serious note - ride / flammability safety should be top priority
Cutout is one of my biggest concerns, especially as a heavier rider (250lbs). The Masterâs battery setup is the only thing that sounds concerning but⊠for the other wheels like the S22, if Iâm riding at 75% battery, and half the available battery suddenly fails while Iâm riding at a modest speed⊠would that be enough battery to keep me balanced anyway?
Cause I obviously want the most safety as possible but Iâm curious how much it matters in all practical scenarios for me.
The s20 might keep you balanced if it still has plenty of charge and you are not going fast when one battery fails. One pack is not going to keep you upright at 30mph. I donât like the way the s20 batteries are manufactured, they are assembled just like the s18 packs with each cell positioned vertically. This puts a shearing force on the cells when jumping or doing drops. I know of multiple accounts of this happening to people s18, and Iâm going to be jumping and technical rocky trail riding with the wheel so thatâs why I donât like the s20/s18 batteries. Not to mention not having full power from a stop on the s20.
If you think placing 21700s in series to achieve 134v is equal to 2400wh, then you should really talk to your mathematics teacher, because it appears to be quite lacking even for an informally educated adult.
Tip: pacs in series donât mean that theyâre not individually wired in parallel.
@GG Next
Do you have a source that says the cells are wired up in series?
Great review Jack. Also it was great meeting you in person at the Amped Electric Games. You are an impressive rider and a great guy I hope we get to hang out & ride again soon
As a S18 owner (and lover) I really wanted the S20/22 to be my next wheel. But after seeing the reviews it just didn't live up to the quality I expected from Kingsong. After seeing this and other reviews I decided to preorder the Master. So stoked on it. Going with the high discharge batteries as I don't need a ton of range and mostly like to trail ride so I'm so excited for the torque.
the biggest problem for me was maintaining the wheel, if youre ok with having to do that then go ahead. Master has better performance, S20 has better construction.
Getting hype for mine to arrive! đœ
Excellent review, thanx.
It hurts to admit that at this point seems like the most reasonable choice is to wait for another generations of both kingsong and begote wheels. Both companies developed new platforms, both have challenges to overcome and make theirs products more mature. We saw kingsong in action and know it's upsides and downsides, master we are still going to learn. Anyway master is a really impressive wheel and I feel like we are entering the golden edge of euc market, when every company needs to be inovative with each new product to keep up with the competitors.
dont wait too long otherwise you'll just want the one after that. đ
Trying to get a job at Begode?
Nice review.. keep riding safe.
great Jack. you just finalised my thoughts & switched me. thanks mate
Whow. Did not expect that!! (S20 to the Master)
Great review, right to the points we are wanting to hear. Iâm sold on the Begode Master!
They are fantastic from what I hear :) and they seem like alot of fun
Great one to choose :)
hope you get your hands on an inmotion v12 HT. got my eyes on it for a while
Still keeping my S22 pre-order. It's just so sexy.... and well... I need some range.
In real life normal use, about the same range as V11...
@@Gebeleizis. ~50 miles is reasonable ... master's are getting 25 miles if ridden hard
ââ@@pedro-on-wheelsso if ridden hard, S20 offers 50 miles and the Master only 25 miles? đ§
Nice joke mister đ
would you please let us know what are the market alternative replacement for suspension dumper ? / I understand that max pressure it's 300 psi ? It gone hold ? does the wheel suspension bottom up easily, as someone else claim to be ?
Cool informative video. How wide is the rim on the Master? How well does it work with the Begode phone app? Just curious, which suspension wheel would you recommend for someone coming from a V11 who rides mostly street surfaces for commuting and short rides? Thanks in advance for your time and reply. Stay safe out there!
Very nice review :-)
I got a msp hs and that would be my next pick for sure. Seems like the best upgrade . Plus think the water and bearings stuff is all fix from the rs
You cant go wrong with the MSP and RS series bro!
@@official.electricdreams ya rs was to new so I got the msp. But master looks like a dream . Every part of it is a upgrade. Now don't get me wrong my msp is sick loves it. Abit heavy for me first starting but worth it big time.
Side pads so I can fully control the beast. That was the key
best review on CZcams
Sorry to break the news, 56mph is the fastest recorded that I've seen on the Master. Legit video coming soon. đ€đœ
ED (Jack), man o man. I am not sure if I should be mad at you or sorry that something you worked on has been out performed by Begode.
We do understand the KS has never been known for being a high performance wheel but to lose a race, sucks. Very cool of you to admit a short fall in the product you assisted in developing.
I will wait to have a test ride on the Master (when it come to Toronto) to make my decision. I have already ridden the S20.
It takes a team to build a product, my role was to help set up guidelines for R&D they failed to deliver. I take some responsibility as well.
I have almost bought a S22 back in few months ago, but I got a inmotion V12 HT instead, and now, my Master just arrived 3 days ago, I can tell I love the Begode Master the most in every way compare to my Inmotion V12 HT and Kingsong S18, begode master are the best one I have ever ride.
how is it 10 months after?
KS S20 Ultra better than Begode Note 7 :D
Anyway, thanks for helping raise the bar on EUC design, I feel we warped into the future a couple of years with this what I call a Ambassador wheel the S20 to new EUC riders.
I heard that begode will release new version of master's mainboard in mid May. Not sure what are the changes n the new production mainboard
will it read in MPH? or stuck on KMH like the EXN?
What Begode owes to US is several riders being endangered by tens of FIRES in homes and public spaces. Important to note this wheel has no failsafes.
It should though right if you get the li-tech packs?
Exact! That's why I'm very hesitant to buy this wheel, Begode Master, for two main reasons in particular: the rich history of Begode wheels that burned and, more recently, the 4 batteries connected in series ...
Cool video nonetheless!
@@Mpower31 not sure about that yet
More reasons to ask for 3600 Wh, it would delay voltage sags since they chain wired through one BMS (they did it to cut BMS cost) and more ride miles for us. Also to navigate this, we need Molicel P42A 21700 4200mAh 45A Battery, with (highest current discharge 45A). This is the best 21700 cells for discharge, which is godsend for any EUC!
Can you please share your thoughts on the knobby tire? Have heard many voices saying that it's really a pain to drive (turn) it on pavement. And that you virtually have to learn it all over, just because of the tire.
Itâs not the best tire in the world, definitely agree with the turning but itâs manageable
How does the trolley handle compare to the s22? Debating on which one to pick as my commuter/all arounder in the very rainy vancouver canada and will need to wheel it into stores and classrooms
What did you end up buying s22 or master?
Hey, what are your thoughts on the RS 134v that seems to be in the works? (unofficially) It's a lightweight wheel that can do 70MPH. Crazy.
I havent heard of anything of such.
You already know this guy trying to switch over to begode company đ
Yes, he's a MAD Ship Jumper. Check Rev Rides and Evees comparison. Almost everyone thinks the S22 is an overall BETTER wheel. I take Jacks opinion with a grain of salt....... besides, he aint even rode the S22 yet, he's speaking on the S20. Lol.
Does the Master have bluetooth capability to connect to apps like Wheelog or EUC?
COOL!
What is your weight and what is the recommended psi for shock ppl are doing 270 psi but not sure I weigh 200lbs w gear
Good review!!!!
so they made the hero to beat the v11 and tha s18.....Then the master to conquer the ks20đ
Really agree none of those performance euc from Inmotion and kingsong would have never exist if it was not Gotway to be the leader in perfomance and speed.... ElectricDream the future of EUC will be Brilliantđđ»
its looking better and better, each company has their own weaknesses but this wheel really pushed the boundaries for begode.
I mean, its only got 2400wh and you can ride to 90kmh (but please dont)
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Amazing, I would like to know how much it cost, please?
What is the real weight of s20/S22 and the Master (50E) than? Here is said Master is heavier by 3kgs. I thought both wheel should be in order of 36kgs.
Thank you for interesting video.
I measured the wheels I had at home multiple times
S20: 34.45kg
Master: 37.65kg
Wow! Thanks for your thoughts. I really wanted to like the S20/22, but it is too wide for my short legs, and the demo unit I got to try had really sticky sliders. Like I could barely get it to compress on anything but really big hits. Keeping those sliders clean is going to be really important.
One comment, coming from the MTB world, usually a coil shock would actually be the one to offer better small bump compliance because of the lower stiction when compared to an air shock. My guess is that the small bump compliance is better on the Master because the suspension slider is much smoother. I'm curious to see how the linkage holds up over time, though. The slop when it has no air in the shock makes me think I'd want to consider adding some low-friction bushings.
Thanks for your description. Did you check if the lack of compliance on small bumps was mostly due to sticky slider, or too high shock compression dampening?
(Or even the coil being to hard for your weight to begin with)
@@supercurioTube I checked the compression dampening and that wasn't it, I turned it all the way down and the action was still sticky. The spring may be a little hard for me, but I know what stiction feels like.
@@redfoxdude thanks for confirming đ
Wow Is it waterproof? What Ip rate is it
Wahoo!
Saying its the best begode since the RS makes me feel good about wanting an RS as my first wheel lol
How much did you pay for the Master straight from the factory?
I'm waiting for a Master with a 6p battery...I'd be shocked if Begode wasn't currently designing/building one.
They are, it is kinda confirmed via leaks
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I still don't think Begode Master is a choice for any heavy trail or mountain riding. The frame of the master and how the plastic battery is attached to it one good fall and the wheel hitting any big rock will puncture straight through the flimsy casing. I looked inside the battery case and took out the pack and there was zero padding to stop it from being crushed and set on fire. I just can't recommend any begode wheel to anyone who really cares about safety or just general quality.
How much??
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We've been waiting almost a year for that s20. They dug a hole a bit too deep to crawl out of. People moved on, me included. I placed a master order
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This is the best type of content, especially for Kingsong fanboys đ
hahaha, havent seen the fanboys for awhile
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Not convinced. I dont want excessive performance. S22 already has more than enought.
nice swim
Good you sold ks22, you need to spend another $250 for new slides that kingsong would not replace bad plastic friction guides...
Let's see if all the 50E masters avoid catching fire. I have my fingers crossed... for the buyers.đ€ I'll get a Master later when they've been through the paces as you said. I sure wish it were lighter. It's going to be a pain riding around a dense city. I thought my MSX was heavy at 23.5kg. It's peanuts today.
the MSX is a classic bro! so light and nimble, but a bit outdated
@@official.electricdreams I know but I don't consider myself a speed freak. I just want healthy safety margins. Now I'm faced with disabling tilt-back so I can use power pads, and that scares me because tilt-back is my way of staying safe. Problem is, when merging with other traffic you want to be able to reach high speed sometimes. I'm trying to figure out a way without getting used to going high speed all the time = bad.
Not getting any 1st batches of any wheel. Going to give the whole suspension wheel a few years to iron it all out.
I totally agree. Never buy first (and neither second batch), wait at least one year before thinking of it.
Hey guys. What do you think about Inmotion V12 HT, in this regard?
@@danmano478 Hi, Most of problem of wheel comes from mother board (cut off/burn) and/or battery (fire, battery sag), and/or software issue (pedal dipping/weird issue) and/or innovative new design (hollow motor/suspension/new form) and/or water resistance/proofing, so :
- motherboard is new : they had issue with it on first v12, it seems all new V12come with beefier mosfet that solve the issue, I dont think HT wheel need a whole new designed motherboard, just an ajustement of it. HT motor imo dont draw more power or power in a different way that high speed, it use it differently to give high torque or more RPM (high speed) but electronic on the mother board wont be whole new design. I would worry a lot of a motherboard design issue and/or of the quality of building (I think they will be the same, just adjusted, and it dont seems to have other issue that mosfet on those board)).
- motor is new : It s the first HT motor for inmotion, so a bit of risk here maybe, but motor are never been a reel issue on wheel, it s seems that motor is a well understand technology. The only issue with motor was for hollow motor (rusty issue on ball bearing). As far as I know this wont be a hollow motor (high speed V12 isnt). I dont think there will be issue on engineering design but can still have some building quality issue, only time can tell.
- form factor, shell, battery..etc wont change and it dont seems to have any issue in regard of those...so a lot of chance that it wont be problem here.
So on engineering side (motherboard and motor) I dont think there are some reel challenge here, and the risk seems low. On quality building of the new motor,(the only reel new element) only time can say...
So, I still think that waiting a few month is still a good advice and a wisdom move, reel world usage, thousand of miles on different rider/weight/climate/usage/etc is the only way to be sure that you wont have trouble. So at least wait a few month.
Disclaimer :
- Im not an enginer in wheel or something else... just a geek/techlover/wheel addict/science and skeptical thinker
- Im not someone who have all wheel and thousand of thousand of miles on wheel
- this is only my best try to a wisdom, argumented, reasonable advice
@@Mn-xh9ps Thank you for this thorough response. I knew already about V12 cut out problems because of the 100 V mosfets and now they come with improved mosfets both hs and ht wheels. I prefer ht variant for stronger rim and faster acceleration and braking, for I will use it mostly in town for deliveries. Thatâs why waterproofing is important. The thing is wrongway had a problem with a new V12 ht. Your advise to wait is the best. My problem is that I donât have a wheel for the moment and this way I will loose all summer, not to speak about inflation. I considered also Nikola plus, but that LG 1800Wh batteries concern me. Itâs very upsetting this trend promoted by most, not all, of these CZcamsrs, to emphasize speed and range in detriment of quality and reliability. These wheels costs a lot of money, they are no longer toys: they are vehicles. Inmotion V12 ht seems well built. Hope they solve the last problems so I can finally buy a wheel that will last at least two years without problems.
Cheers.
@@danmano478 "itâs very upsetting this trend promoted by most, not all, of these CZcamsrs, to emphasize speed and range in detriment of quality and reliability" Yep I totally agree !
Dont know if it will help or confuse you more, but Im french and in french we say "c'est dans les vieux pots qu'on fait la meilleure cuisine" "it s in old pot that we make the better cooking" So didnt you think about an old but quite well establish good wheel, the kingsong KS18XL ? Mr Flex a french youtuber have done (partially) a world tour whit it ..long range..easy to repair..18"*2.5" confortable stable wheel...well build..and as far as I know good water proofing..not too big not too heavy...easy to live with...so maybe...?
So we go from excellent to even excellenterer.
Anyone that thinks the master is going to be without its own share of problems is an ignorant fool
It's barely been tested at all and people are already sold on it lol
It's popularity so far is built entirely on hype
Not entirely. TBC I kept my S22 order.
The Master simply is more powerful. On this there is no contest and if that's what you want then the master will just be better. Of course there will be issues though.
@@InsanitiesBrother not sure how "of course it will have issues" makes it better... guess it depends on what you want and need out of a wheel. After watching wrong ways unboxing I'm actually hopeful for the master but I'd stil go for a brand I can trust that hasn't repeated to make the same mistakes again and again
@@electricunipsycho I didn't say it's a better wheel.
I said it has better power. This isn't up for discussion.
If you want a C38 motor... The Kingsong doesn't have it. It's important to recognize that whilst you may one one set of things, others want other things.
Again... The S22 is more expensive than the master. I've bought the S22. I'm not just hating on it.
@@InsanitiesBrother you sure? In Australia the master is almost a grand more
PLEASE convert Km to MPH
dam, i want to learn to ride unicycle and sell my scooter
dose it have a handle?
Goodbye Kingsong
Gotta say folks, i'm waiting till I see reviews of the S22 before jumping on the bandwagon. And that rear light.. careless quality control.
Hahahahhaha
1.45m drop @2:00 I call bullshit.
I like your content. But sorry, 6.5 minutes video can barely be called "impressions" and not a review...
Lol so you think I rode the wheel for one day and put this video together?
@@official.electricdreams I am not saying that you rode it for one day, but the amount of information and analysis about the wheel is not sufficient in this video to be called a "review". I as a potential customer didn't get most of questions answered except of "how it rides" from this "review".
@@artemmaistrenko1032 tell me what you think should be answered
@@official.electricdreams what is the range, what is the speed of charge with stock charger, how suspension works and feels in case of various speeds (how helpful it is in case of potholes or bigger bumps), how is the rigidity and quality of battery cases (including water protection of those), what about the fact that batteries are connected in series: is it dangerous if one of packs go disconnected/damaged, what about overheating of the motherboard?
Then some safety questions like: are there any improvements from Begode on safety features.
@@official.electricdreams you know it is not a "toy" product anymore if it costs over 3000âŹ. the price leads to a lot of more factors except of how cool it rides. It was simpler when I was buying a wheel for 1800euro
You know DAMN WELL that this is not a better wheel. I see why Kingsong excused you. Kingsong QC is much better and safety features. Just cause a wheel ca go FASTER doesn't make it a BETTER wheel. Begode RUSHED this wheel out to compete with the S22. Most people will prefer the S22 and you know it. More solid, sturdy construction, especially at high speeds. More spring travel with superior suspension, better tire AND rim. I think you probably just hatin cuz Kingsong aint messin with you
this is by far the funniest comment! they didnt excuse me, I left. Let me know when you try both wheels and come back to make your own conclusions. I already pointed out that S22 has better craftsmanship, I guess you werent watching.
Not ONLY better "craftsmanship" , but better stability, better range, no fear of cutting out at high speeds with 40% battery life left. No redundant electrical flow. The ONLY thing people who've actually COMPARED the two will say is that the Master has more torque n speed. Ok so WHAT? We dont want the S22 to win any races. We want it to be the BEST suspension wheel on da market. The Master was NOT well thought out, just threw out to steal sum S22 shine. Kingson listens and make corrections, Begode hides its head in da sand. Btw, why did you leave Kingsong EXACTLY?
This is a funny comment. S22 is plagued with so many problems, stator slippage, control boards burning up, and sticky sliders that KS is releasing a new "pro" version to fix basically every aspect of the wheel!
â@@dewaynelowery8511how can you be so... ignorant (don't wanna be rude)? There are dozens of arguments, facts and cases that prove you wrong. But I won't waste much time on you, feel free to inform yourself if interested. It simply try them both. Although you'll have some difficulties to find a S20, or S22 or S22Pro... đ
My only complain is,
Non of u guys look comfortable riding ur eucâsâŠ.
It looks like all of u euc guys are ready for some unknown,which is known in terms of cutout, is gonna happen at any moment!!!!!!
Unicycles look weird