Draupadi 'Vastraharan' did not happen! A case study: Part 2

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  • čas přidán 10. 11. 2023
  • 11 Nov 2023

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  • @ratnamurlidharan9885
    @ratnamurlidharan9885 Před 6 měsíci +42

    Wasn’t it Karna who instigated Duryodhan to disrobe Draupadi calling her a dasi who doesn’t need any respect😢 According to Mahabharata Karna is not such a Big Goodness Personified as our Leftist writers project him to be

    • @aksman8563
      @aksman8563 Před 6 měsíci +5

      Correct ur right

    • @prachipatwardhan6928
      @prachipatwardhan6928 Před 6 měsíci +6

      It's not only leftist writers, ancient natakkars/ kathakars are also to be blamed. They also had tendency to take cinematic/ artistic liberty. How do you think so many versions of Ramayan and mahabharat came to be? Not to forget people adding their own text into the original scriptures.
      kak bhrushundi rishi had seen ramayan and Mahabharat so many times. May be he saw that many versions being around. Or may be that story itself is fabricated, to justify all the popular vesrions of the epics.

    • @nighthawk4028
      @nighthawk4028 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Karna and drithrastra are main villan.. his blind support to duryodhana in all wrong doings

    • @ganeshbalasubramanian5206
      @ganeshbalasubramanian5206 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It is not the leftists, who painted Karna good. "Villi Bharatham" the Tamil translation of Mahabharata by Villiputturaar (guessed to be in 15th century CE), is one such texts that portrays Karna completely in good light. Every misdemeanour of Karna in Vyaasa Bharatham is attributed to Duryodhana in Villi Bharatham. Not at all sure why the poet had such an affinity towards Karna 🙄. May be it was due to Karna being an 'orphan' or his abandonment by Kunti Devi or his acts of kindness (donations) or his unwavering friendship for Duryodhana. The poet even introduced an incident in his Bharatham, which wasn't there in the original: that Krishna disguising himself as an old man and asking Karna to donate his punya. Karna, who had fallen for Arjuna's arrows, donates his punya to the old man with his blood.

    • @RK-dp5ey
      @RK-dp5ey Před měsícem +1

      Correct. He was a person digressed from the righteous path and in company of gangsters became himself a goonda

  • @sandychowb
    @sandychowb Před 6 měsíci +17

    In Gita Press Hindi Version Sabha Parva 67, Shloka 47, in addition to stating what you are quoting as 'dharma is subtle and Yudhistir is the right person', in the next statement, Bhisma answers Draupadi's question 'striyaśca bharturvaśatāṃ samīkṣya', which can be interpreted as 'A wife is the ardhaangi, so it is rightful on the part of Yudhistir to bet her'. (This interpretation was heard from pravachan of Prof. K.S. Narayanacharya)
    Although Bhisma is being diplomatic, he is answering her question and indicating his stance. And, in turn Bhisma is justifying Kauravas action and Karna's intent to assault Draupadi.
    Given Bhisma's choices, I believe it's fair to critique him as a hypocrite who rationalized adharma. While the Mahabharata contains many complex perspectives, we must be willing to unambiguously condemn characters who stood on the wrong side of the conflict.
    In any case, I appreciate you raising this thought-provoking video! There's often more nuance than we might assume. Just wanted to offer an alternate reading to consider!"

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 6 měsíci +4

      Namaskar
      1. All valid points.
      2.i have consciously decided to focus on 'Draupadi Vastrahsran' and to avoid temptation for other side issues ,such as what you brought up, only for the sake of brevity.
      3. All of them are important and they are meant to provide exercise to our mental, intellectual and emotional abilities.
      Thank you for your insightful comments.

    • @vijethegde5618
      @vijethegde5618 Před 5 měsíci

      then why was yudhishtir silent? bhishma is correct he is neutral. he expresses his opinion. surely dharma is very subtle lord krishna also tells the same to arjuna that acting according to dharma is good but knowing what is dharma is very difficult. wrong thing kauravas did was humiliating a good noble woman. it was surely adharma.

    • @KingHari010
      @KingHari010 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@vijethegde5618 yudhishtir is not a fool to be silent for more than four times she and others petsisted to answer the question.It is waste of time to answer where 4 idiots were in their highest egotistic supremacy.Even if Yudhistir answered her question they do the same molestation to draupadi.And Yudhistir's raajaneeti also exhinited here.Within minutes he could knew that until duryodhan lived he cannot rule indraparstha kingdom peacefully.He decided to eliminate duryodhan ,but he want to expose duryodhan to the world.Without that silence ,patience and bearing humility people label pandavasa also evil.DHARMARAAJA PLAYED CHESS WITH DURYODHAN BY SACRIFICING PAWN AND SHOWED HERE A CLASSIC STYLE OF CUNNINGNESS!

    • @vijethegde5618
      @vijethegde5618 Před 5 měsíci

      @@KingHari010 😅😅 then why did he utter ashwattama hatho kunjara ( elephant )in spite of krishna saying "if according to you it's a sin put it on me but say it "and then he had naraka darshan because he didn't follow supreme lord krishna's words. yudhishthir always followed dharma if he thought it was adharma he could have said it.

    • @nileshb-ij1rg
      @nileshb-ij1rg Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@KingHari010I agree. I also felt the same. even after losing everything, his brothers and himself, he went on and on. surely this is jot expected from a person like Dharmaraj yudhishtir.
      he also asks Praptikarma to bring her. he wanted her to come.
      clearly a calculated political move to create a reason for the things to come ahead.

  • @ratnamurlidharan9885
    @ratnamurlidharan9885 Před 6 měsíci +7

    Dhritrastra though blind was very thrilled to know if Draupadi was disrobed that’s why he is called the “blind king” one who has lost the thinking ability or Vivek buddhi.

  • @prachipatwardhan6928
    @prachipatwardhan6928 Před 6 měsíci +7

    So, after they saw how magically Draupadi was saved from the insult and the dishonor, karna, duryodhan and shakuni had guts to insult her more and other folks were ready to discuss what is dharma. That's unbelievable both literally and figuratively.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 6 měsíci +5

      Excellent. Yet this point is lost on many researchers, students and readers of Mahabhart.
      Again, the answers are there in the Mahabhart. This series would provide these insights, of course, only a glimpse. Everyone must read Mahabhart multiple times.

  • @aparnasharma2324
    @aparnasharma2324 Před 6 měsíci +1

    We are thankful to you.

  • @anuradham8435
    @anuradham8435 Před měsícem

    Wow..that is really great. What an amazing interpretation!! Thank you sir for the knowledge and opening up our minds 🙏🏼

  • @t.s.29
    @t.s.29 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Happy Diwali Neelesh sir 🎉🙏

  • @thesanatanstories1235
    @thesanatanstories1235 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Shubh Deepawali Sir 🎉

  • @prasadpp06
    @prasadpp06 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Sir. I dont exactly understand your intention of video.
    There are many cross references even in Puranas which repeatedly over & over again mentions that Bhagwan Krishna protected Draupadi from getting disrobed.
    Narada Mahapurana, Volume 3, Chapter 82 the verses 111-120, it is mentioned-
    "The remover of the false prestige of Arjuna, one who granted life to Partha, one who supplied garment to Pancali, the protector of the protectors of the world."

  • @madhuvijai6089
    @madhuvijai6089 Před 6 měsíci +1

    superb sir ..so much new to learn

  • @taradeviwest9351
    @taradeviwest9351 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Happy Deepavali, Prof 🙏🙏🙏🌟🌟🌟

  • @drifter9518
    @drifter9518 Před 6 měsíci +1

    nice sir

  • @ashutoshkumthekar5619
    @ashutoshkumthekar5619 Před 6 měsíci +3

    प्रणाम, दिवाळीच्या खुप खुप शुभेच्छा...

  • @pratibhamalhotra8919
    @pratibhamalhotra8919 Před 6 měsíci +1

    दीपावली के शुभ अवसर पर अापको शुभ कामनाएँ !

  • @freemathstutorindia5780
    @freemathstutorindia5780 Před 6 měsíci

    Moral of the story or essence of teaching or output and realization are important. Exaggerated instances are to be taken for epic and applied practically.

  • @amidave2153
    @amidave2153 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Sir I noted that why bhishma tell only yudhisthir to answer draupadi's question? As she was wife of all five then all five must be answerable to ber...as yudhishthir loose her but now the question is about husband and wife adhikar on eachother...it was there because draupadi was wife of yudhisthir only...please make some light on this...

  • @apoorva4038
    @apoorva4038 Před 5 měsíci +1

    We hope that part 3 comes soon

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 5 měsíci

      Yes. Delayed due to other projects.

  • @tashkulkarni111
    @tashkulkarni111 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Why Yudhisthir was not answering Draupadis question? In my eyes, Yudhisthira and other pandavas are the main culprits here. Indeed, they were invited to play by adharma and trechery but it was their dharma to protect their wife. The attempt to disrobe draupadi happened because of incapability of her husbands!

  • @myna2mac
    @myna2mac Před 6 měsíci +3

    That unlimited vastra is magical…if true i wonder why none of the folks present wondered or awed by it.

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 6 měsíci +2

      You said it! You got it! 🙏🙏

    • @IMasterSkeptic
      @IMasterSkeptic Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@NileshOakwhat?

    • @sunny57jo
      @sunny57jo Před 6 měsíci +2

      Please note, Draupadi stated she is ‘Ekvastra’ to Vikarna. By the time Dushshasana went, she could have put on layers of clothes because 1) She was headed to a court and one must be properly dressed there. 2) She anticipated some atrocity by the evil brothers and geared herself up

    • @nileshb-ij1rg
      @nileshb-ij1rg Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@sunny57jocoild be. 4 5 saris and this could have happened.

  • @sachinjain4390
    @sachinjain4390 Před 6 měsíci +1

    आप सभी को दीपावली की हार्दिक शुभकामनाएं

  • @tranqulpetal
    @tranqulpetal Před 6 měsíci +3

    One more thing that I want to ask is
    When Yudhistra is considered as the Dharm Raj, how can he play the game of dhyuth ( gamble) not once but twice???

    • @aksman8563
      @aksman8563 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Those times were different where kings were supposed to not deny when other king ask for the game. Also that was the reason why yudhisthir didnt reach heaven after death

    • @Srivenkatesvaradas
      @Srivenkatesvaradas Před 6 měsíci +1

      In Yuddha(War) the 2 sides wager their lives as well as their wealth with their belongings.....
      In Dhyuta(gambling) the 2 sides only wager their wealth along with their belongings.... They don't wager life..... So that they can a go at each other one more time.....
      So in a way dhyuta is a bloodless war

  • @jamal16493
    @jamal16493 Před 6 měsíci +2

    How can someone be so stupid that they'd come back to play such a rigged game, when they literally lost everything first time and were saved by a miracle?

    • @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408
      @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408 Před 6 měsíci

      I dont think pandavas wanted to play that game again. the first time they played because they were dragged into this by igniting their warrior pride and ego by a challenge by the orders of the king.

  • @RK-dp5ey
    @RK-dp5ey Před měsícem

    Sir nice explanation. But we understand that to know more we need to read original Vyas krut mahabharat. Please don’t repeat again n again. It just breaks the flow

  • @vanhannu
    @vanhannu Před 6 měsíci +1

    Shubh Deepawali

  • @raghunathsamudrala
    @raghunathsamudrala Před 6 měsíci +1

    The question Draupadi put before the court was whether Yudhishthir wagering her was right or wrong. That is she wanted to know whether she is Dharma Vijitha or Adharma vijita?

  • @drifter9518
    @drifter9518 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Sir "kaagbhusundi! Had seen Ramayana 11 time and Mahabharata 18 time in his life" what does it mean? please try to give us some proper explanation about this.

    • @Srivenkatesvaradas
      @Srivenkatesvaradas Před 6 měsíci

      It means Kaagbhusundi have a long life.....

    • @drifter9518
      @drifter9518 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Srivenkatesvaradas nope! Sorry to say it's not possible scientifically.

    • @anonymousgawd..3047
      @anonymousgawd..3047 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@drifter9518I think he was bored seeing for the next 7 ramayan or gone somewhere for that time ?😅

    • @Srivenkatesvaradas
      @Srivenkatesvaradas Před 5 měsíci

      @@drifter9518 Scientifically you can't prove that Kaagbhusundi exists either.......

    • @Srivenkatesvaradas
      @Srivenkatesvaradas Před 5 měsíci

      By the way..... What's the reference for your statement...... Where's is it mentioned.

  • @tranqulpetal
    @tranqulpetal Před 6 měsíci +2

    Dear Sir.. @JaipurDialogues podcast
    AmiGautam has said that Draupadi vastraharan happened due to karan.
    He insulted her and promoted this and also he was the one who called her....
    She puts everything on Karan...
    Can you please clarify.

    • @shashanks8035
      @shashanks8035 Před 6 měsíci +2

      That is the truth. he says एकाम्बरधरत्वं वाऽप्यथवाऽपि विवस्त्रता - What does it matter if she wears one peice of cloth or none?

    • @Karnapandey00k
      @Karnapandey00k Před 19 dny

      Karna only mistake

  • @harigurung1065
    @harigurung1065 Před 6 měsíci

    Did this event take place under the influence of alcohol?

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 6 měsíci +1

      No.
      Read Mahabhart in a hurry.

  • @bhagwanmishra7243
    @bhagwanmishra7243 Před 6 měsíci

    It makes no sense,after watching the devine incident there by all who dare to re insult Draupadi so either this was right or that the effort to naked her. It is doubt full.

  • @sunny57jo
    @sunny57jo Před 6 měsíci

    I hope, people from other regions cite this incidence and justify the acts of prophet Mohammed. My answer to them will be, we Hindus have never considered Yudhishthir as a paragon of virtue. In the modern times, we quickly passed the laws and do not allow a woman to be property of a man. Whereas, in the Arab countries, woman is still considered a property of a man and is passed down to the heir.

  • @vamg5254
    @vamg5254 Před 6 měsíci

    20:12 only brothers were freed, not Draupadi..

  • @ratnamurlidharan9885
    @ratnamurlidharan9885 Před 6 měsíci

    Shubh Deepavali to All🙏

  • @ajaykatnauri9086
    @ajaykatnauri9086 Před 5 měsíci

    Although everyone was calming down Bhim not kill kaurvas, but letting kauravas disrobe Draupadi was ko for them
    And Bhishm the strongest could have stopped all this when it came to Draupdi's insult but he kept himslef diplomatic.....this is not justified

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Namaskar
      Stay tuned. You may be in for a surprise. I assert that it was Bhima and his actions that prevented Draupadi Vastraharan.
      Stay tuned as the series progresses.

  • @user-yz5bw4dm2d
    @user-yz5bw4dm2d Před 6 měsíci +5

    I had lot of Respect for Nilesh Oak. I had seen him argue with Manish Pandit about the timing of Mahabharat and Ramayan. Though i respect Manish Pandit a lot. I kept on following Nilesh's videos on Sanatana Purnanas and his analysis on it. After this video i am understanding his true intentions. He is nothing but anoter version of Devdutt Patnaik who tries to humanise our Puranas. Basically, Nilesh likes to look things scientifically. So for him there is no magic in Mahabharat. He tries to apply logic to prove this point. He has earlied did a video on Jayadrata vadha. He tries to convince with false data and logic that it was a Solar eclipse happening on that day so Sun was covered not because Krishna covered it with his Sudarshana ! guys please understand Ramayana and Mahabharata is not for logical interpretations. Our Sanatana dharma worshipes Krishna and Rama as gods. This guy Nilesha oak tries to humanise every character in these stories. The Krishna's birth itself is filled with many magical moments. So How Nilesh will deny all of it ? He only picks stories where he can insert his logic and prove there was no magic ! His whole argurements in all of his videos are based on this concept. If you people also want to believe it then fine. Otherwise watching videos of Nilesh oak is a waste of time. He is just fooling people by his silly and false logic and false datas. Dr. Manish Pandit has written about it with astronomical proof. If anyone genuinely interested in learning truth then you can check them. facebook.com/manish.pandit.5209 But i am sure Mr. Nilesh oak will delete this comment. Atleast i will stop him following. Because he is a psuedo sanatani. Now Nilesh oak, go on block me.

    • @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408
      @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408 Před 6 měsíci

      "Ramayana and Mahabharata is not for logical interpretations"
      so you are saying ramayana and mahabharat are not logical. that's insult and blasphemy to hindu dharma. you better watch your mouth.

    • @Madraswala
      @Madraswala Před měsícem

      The Alleluia group has got one trick and applies it effectively. In Tamil Nadu their interference can be seen in the hindu cultural arena. A famous hindu preacher suddenly turning against brahmins & complaining or a carnatic musician breaking the tradition or actors, cine directors start criticising our faith etc.etc. I dont know about this person but the church establishment is capable of bringing sudden disruption in anything that is hindu.

  • @IMasterSkeptic
    @IMasterSkeptic Před 6 měsíci +3

    Not so quality content,you are just filling the spaces instead of pointing out important events with proper explanations if you know..
    You explanation so far is below average,coz even evey common mind know this already..

    • @NileshOak
      @NileshOak  Před 6 měsíci +5

      Get lost.

    • @IMasterSkeptic
      @IMasterSkeptic Před 6 měsíci

      @@NileshOak thank you ..
      Btw, it was just a comment to let you raise your level of research a bit further.
      Anyways, BOL , ahead
      You have perhaps *got lost* 🤣
      Pity🥱

    • @isuzuikamaki5477
      @isuzuikamaki5477 Před 6 měsíci

      @@NileshOak wow saying 'Get lost' to a genuine comment. Even I feel the same as the OP. After more than 45 mins of part 1 and part 2, all that we got to hear from you is points that we already know! And it was so slow!! But of course I should 'get lost' too, according to you, the esteemed researcher!

    • @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408
      @Yogi_The_Bitter_Truth_2408 Před 6 měsíci

      who said to you common man knows this? this was never taught to us in school. wtf are you talking about. this was much needed since our scriptures are manipulated heavily by politicians, anti-hindus and so on.

  • @dipakbose2677
    @dipakbose2677 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Who supplied that pile of saris to Draupadi? If he was Krishna, how is it possible for Draupadi to wear it continuously when Dushsasan was taking these away from the body of Draupadi. In practice it is not possible. One has to be disrobed completely before one would wear another sari. Thus, this theory that Krishna supplied that pile of saris is not logically justified. Krishna must have supplied the saris when Draupadi was wearing some parts of it as we have seen in the film of Ramanand Sagar.

    • @SAIPRADEEP070
      @SAIPRADEEP070 Před 6 měsíci

      Maya is beyond logic. is it not ? not every thing in this worlds fits to logic of modern day right ? How can there be flying horses . almost every religion in the world has many such beings who doesnot seem possible in modern day.

    • @user-yz5bw4dm2d
      @user-yz5bw4dm2d Před 6 měsíci

      If you care so much logic then why bother about Mahabharata ? There are many better books for you. go read them. These psuedo sanatanis try to corrupt devotees and you readily accept his nonsensical theories. If you are into logic tell me how earth is rotating ? what is the force rotating at a precise speed. A little less speed or a little more there will be no life on earth. If sun was little more closer to the earth then earth would be burned. How it is placed exactly at a convienient distance from earth ?

  • @nambekar123
    @nambekar123 Před 5 měsíci

    i also have a question on draupadi being wife of pandavas ..
    how is this possible?

  • @nileshb-ij1rg
    @nileshb-ij1rg Před 3 měsíci +1

    If it was magic, people would have sat with jaws dropped and went away praising Krishna. not continuing insults.
    seems Sir has come up with an interesting point, (as usual)
    but a pile of clothes had gathered. dushyasan pulled on her clothes, some same and some coloured clothes started appearing. clearly seems to be some trick done by draupadi herself considering what lay infront of her at the court.
    and Dushasan became tired, some from the clothes and some from people booing him.
    draupadi took krishnas name as no one else seemed to come to her help, but she knew that this could continue for a bit of time only - as she might have wrapped say 4 or 5 saris and if it didnt stop the only Lord Krishna cud save her.
    but people cud have noticed that she is not wearing just one cloth. ekvastra. she would have looked fatter too. but she cud have wrapped coloured clothes first and then white clothes on top.
    or people sitting there cud have thrown their upper clothes at her to save her chastity while they were chastating dushyasan. and that might have taken the air out of him.
    but this is not mentioned😢

  • @sonarbangla8711
    @sonarbangla8711 Před 6 měsíci

    Better than pulling the vastra of Draupadi Nilesh should try to save Krishna from becoming a killer of the Yadavas.

  • @ravindrasaraf5620
    @ravindrasaraf5620 Před měsícem +2

    I don't even understand the purpose of this and other video. Just a trap for youtube viewer to waste their time.