DUNE (1984/2021): ‘Shield Practice’ and ‘Mood’ Scene Comparison - HD 1080p
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- A comparison between the 'Shield Practice/Mood' scene in the upcoming Dune (2021) movie by Denis Villeneuve and the 1984 film by David Lynch adapted from the same novel by Frank Herbert (1965). This video is meant to show the variety of choices made by two different groups of filmmakers 37 years apart when adapting the same legendary written work.
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Captain Picard fighting inside of a gelatinous block
The first one is Roblox vs Minecraft. The second one is two people equipped with some kind of force field engaged in melee fighting.
I had to look up the old movie's version after seeing a still image of it. Holy hell, that is absolute cancer on the eyes. Why would anyone think that would make for good visuals?
Probably the best they could do in '84. That was cutting edge special effects back in the day.
@@tmhelbing Even with better technology, this wouldn't look good. They look like refrigerators wrestling.
@@crypto66 no argument. It just shows how far they were pushing the limits of the era's special effects to try to bring the story to life.
@DeadNinjutsu No it doesn't. Stop kidding yourself. By no means is the 2021 version "pretty," but at least it didn't look like they had a bunch of schizophrenic kindergartners puke over it.
@DeadNinjutsu While I wouldn't praise it, I wouldn't be insane enough to think the 2021 version is "just as bad" or even anywhere near this level.
You need to stop comparing them just so you can keep fooling yourself. I'm not even doing that; this is just objectively bad. The tech has nothing to do with it.
When I think of the line from the book "Moods are for cattle, making love, and playing the baliset. You fight when the necessity arises", it sounds like something Ron Swanson would list on the pyramid of greatness. Nick Offerman as Gurney Halleck? How would that turn out?
I really don't like comparisons, but people who are saying that Lynch's version is better are actually insane
Care to elaborate?
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No need for inner monologue to say ‘Gurney is not faking this’. 2021’s version is not dumbed down.
I understand the 80s tech but tf is that brick shield. They shouldve just make it appear in an areas where the oponents attacks hitted not covering them in a glass box it looks too ridiculus even in 80s
1984: Minecraft
2021: Infamous
The 80's Atreides dagger is a Fairbairn-Sykes combat knife.
Gurney's got mad range on that 6S
Fascinating! *weird eyebrow moves*
0:02
Paul: Shield practice? Gurney, we just had practice this morning. I’m not in the mood.
At least both tried to capture the scene as it was written in the novel
The miniseries on the other hand decided to disrespect everything about the chapter.
1984 is worse n most ways, but ... the new movie... it says important stuff, very quietly. I remember the "The slow blade penetrates the shield!" because ti's Patrick Stewart, with a silly voice in a magic rectangle.
what was the point of the 2021 scene? To show how good people can fight. The actual POINT of the scene is lost.
The new scene has the exact same line my guy. In addition to that explanation it had Paul methodically demonstrates the effect on his palm alongside showing what the colouration of the shield represents. He hits his shield fast once then twice and then slowly lowers his sword and penetrating the shield, seemingly testing it's efficacy. All the information is given physically by Paul, then verbally by Gurney, and finally reinforced a couple more times in that scene and subsequent ones through intelligent use of shields and shield penetrating weaponry such as the slow bombs, Idaho's shield slowing a dart, and the Duke's shield slowing another.
This video cuts out the beginning in which the explanation is given.
Furthermore to the good quality of the new. The old has a dozy and uptight exchange where we learn of Paul's thoughts and fears he had _during_ the training in the _aftermath_ of it which entirely removes the tension and uncertainty Paul feels in the book at the brief thought that Gurney's unprecedented ferocity could be betrayal itself. The new instead focuses on Paul's physical reaction and allows the purity of Timothee's acting to translate all we need to know about how Paul is taking this scene. We focus on his eyes and his fear, on how he retreats and how in an instant he changes the way he holds himself. We are allowed to see for ourselves how Paul sees Gurney's passion in this moment, and leave it to the attentive viewer to understand it rather than coldly spoon feeding them. As for Gurney, his emotional journey in the book's chapter is captured verbally in emotional bursts interspersed in the run up and cool down of the scene, this is again more enthralling than the colder approach of the old.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 This guy gets it. Adaptations are adaptations, not copies. You can't just throw book dialogue into a movie and have it work. What a book needs to tell you with words, a movie can show you with acting, framing, and sound. You don't need to be told that Gurney is going buck wild on Paul, you can see it when he physically does it. You don't need to be told that slow moving things can move through the shield, you can see it.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 It's the epitome of show not tell, isn't it. Lynch's adaptation has the internal monologue to tell us "what's happening with gurney?" Villeneuve's version encapsulates that with the single incredulous look Paul gives at 1:52. Of the people who need everything spoon-fed, I'm reminded of Thufir Hawat's opinion of the Baron's excessive verbiage in the second part of the original, contrasting it with the Atreides duke's ways of communicating with looks, or the accent on a single word.
@@pseudonymousbeing987Yeah, since the 80s we learned that you can except the audience to have at least 2 braincells so that they should be able to understand what they see even without the actor explaining every single thing.
Tbh the old scene is better thematically but the new ones better visually
I prefer lynch dialogue but I prefer the combat and choreography in Denis DUNE 2021..I always envision Eskrima Kali knife style and that is exactly what I got..and happy for it, Thanks Denis for not being afraid of actually doing martial arts in the desert
No
Lynch's dialogue is fucking shit 😂
@@RickySpanish93It could literally serve as a bad example in a writing course. It is the exact opposite of "show don't tell" lmao
That first Dune sheild battle was the reason I didn't like David Lynch version. It was just so bad and unwatchable. Reminds me if David Blaine froze himself in jello instead of ice.
I like the TV version better than both of these.
worst Gurney, best Shields, wish the mini series used them more.
GOONIE!!
Roblox
"we're donna do a dune movie, not star trek"
"perfect! send in patrick stewart"
"wait, why a guy with a very distinct voice like james earl jones..."
"...and he's gonna spar with the hero, just like in star wars"
"please don't try to make a luke vs. vader parody"
"AND! we'll find a reason to put a weird filter over patrick's voice while they spar"
This was years before Patrick was in Star Trek
In the book it said shields had a filter in their voice.
I like what I like and to be honest....
Special effects is not what makes up a story. I have watched movies with great special effects and it sucked because the storyline was not good. This new Dune may have great special effects and I might really love it. But what made me really fall in love with Dune in the first place was the 1984 movie that some people keep criticizing and hating on. For me, I think that both movies have value. New is new today and will be old tomorrow. Whose to say that the 2021 movie won't be overshadowed by a new Dune movie decades from now.....And it's special effects won't be put to shame. Anyways, I can like and appreciate both movies. Old and new.
My criticism of the 1984 film has nothing to do with special effects. The introduction of the weirding modules changed the entire plot of the story, and trying to condense the book into two hours made them cut even more from the story than the 2021 version which is telling only the first half of the book The 1984 version was gorgeous in terms of sets and costumes, and reasonably well acted by a great cast, but it was doomed to failure.
What the fuck are thessse
Here's what you should use as a measurement. Which film left you feeling in a total weirdness or rather out of this earth feeling. Because David Lynch managed to make you feel like you're transported somewhere unique. The 2021 version is so much like other recent sci-fi movies and TV shows. Apples, Foundation for 1 is so much like the new dune movie. What's wrong with actors that don't fit the Hollywood look. This is, after all a universe unlike anything we know. So I expect the movie to reflect that. David Lynch managed to create a offbeat world apart from our own and that works for me. Especially since most of dune is in a boring sand filled desert. The new dune needs more color and stranger costumes. I wish the actors had some facial flaws. Note the hair colors of the characters in David's dune had sharply contrasting hair color, build and looks. Yeay for David Lynch's dune. Unfortunately the new dune characters are rather perfect in their beauty. Straight out of Hollywood hills.
the 2021 dune i think is very beautiful and cool and the costumes are amazing. i understand your point and i am thankful for lynch' version. i appreciate that version more for lynch' genius than for the Dune story however
Bro what? The Villeneuve films have a very unique asthetic that is not matched by any sci fi release of recent years. Also Lynchs Dune had a far more star-studded cast.
think the dialogue in the old film is better
"'Mood' is a thing for cattle and loveplay!"
@@germpore they should of kept that line in there
@@obscuresoundz 😮 whoa 😳 that line is not in there? What else have they taken out or not said? Thanks for the info. I hope the new one is ok.
If they didn't obscure the actors so much in the 80s version it would be better than the current one imo
How did they manage to make the shield (practice) special effects of the new movie look sooooooo incredibly bad, let allone in comparison to those in the original? Almost 40 years later!?!?! wth??? The old effects looks stunning and the new look like the work of a 12 year old that started to do some hobby effects and got bored with that.
Lmao
The old effects look like someone took a bunch of crack and tried to draw a roblox character lmao
2021 two peasant fight for a COW , this has nothing to do with the original book Scene , sorry to watch this really ...
Anyone saying they hate the Lynch version, please come up with a better shield effect on your own computer. I would love to see what you can come up with, it couldn’t be more unimaginative than the new version.
Its a shield affect what more do you want. All I know is it shits all over the 1984 version
lmfao right, cause those giant ass blocky shields look SOOO incredible. They look absolutely fucking terrible. And yes most people could actually make a WAY more realistic shield effect on their computer it's rather easy these days. Take off your rose-tinted glasses old man
You have to create films to critisize them yes, indeed.
You don’t need to be a chef to critique to food
I am watching the new movie and its autism makes my puke. The 1984 version was much, much better... Well what can you ask these days, just another popcorn movie... for arrogant kiddies
Look kiddies these is how educated people act czcams.com/video/0ujoXRAZU3g/video.html
With what modern movies promote we can kiss society goodbye
So everything is so backwards now... nobody can produce the sci-fi quality of this single scene czcams.com/video/IR8tbNKxBhE/video.html
1984's version is better in everything.
Not for me
Nobody's perfect
Not in those Roblox shields lmao
It creates a unique style of the energy shielding. Overall it is very book accurate representation in every detail. But If roblox clouds your vision of sci-fi classics there is little argument I can make.
It's not just the graphics, the 1984 version is clearly dumbed down in a clumsy way. Look at Chalamet's expression in 1:48 and 1:54. Those quick shots of his face (and great acting!) tell you the exact thing that a voice-over says in the 1984 version at 0:26. Voiceovers are lazy directing, you have to show not tell.
Alongside of course a lot more attention to detail (notice how the shields spark at 1:43 when he hits the table too quickly)
Lynch version is way better even though the limit of analogue effects. It shows his own unique vision which matches with Frank Herbert's vision. New film lacks the quirky imagination.
I respect your opinion, even though it's wrong.
Yeah, I bet Herbert's vision was the worst visual effect known to man xD