Why Tobey's SPIDER-MAN was REMOVED from the MCU - Marvel's Original Plan, Explained
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Written by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, Lee Mazzio, Ethan Lavinsky, and Sean Martin
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Geologie is the is the german word for geology.. does it has anything to do with germany? we have a nature magazine that is named Geologie as well which actually makes sense.. for me as a german i allways think its some kind of mud mask.
On god he should have been.
Pretty irritating money hungry ad you placed. I couldn’t watch the entire video because of the annoying merch ad. It’s just like your begging people to buy yours boring products.
Someone send this to Sony.. show em how they fucked up and still lost money
They messed up two Spider-Man trilogies, consciously decided to release morbius, re-released morbius, consciously released Madame Web, are about to release Kraven, are messing with the schedule of the LITERAL MCU, and they still haven't noticed.
Oh man, when you said "imagen Tobys Spiderman in 2012 Avengers" it hit me, he woulda been PERFECT for it!!!
Well, finished the video and its save to say, Sony screwed up, WOW!
Idk why maybe it’s nostalgia but I feel like having tobey’s Spider-Man in the mix would’ve made the drama way more interesting since his reactions and face expressions were always on point, it made him feel like a real character. And definitely would’ve felt better having a seasoned Spider-Man with the avengers, compared to iron boy jr that we got.
@@Nikketmzee it would've been sick to see him grow and develop because we would've basically had him around since he was in highschool
@@Nikketmzeestill saying iron boy jr in 2024 is so insane to me😭
@@joycongod4831 listen kid, I’m assuming you’re a kid based on how you responded and are willing to defend Tom holland who’s easily the worst Spider-Man actor out of the 3. Yes he might’ve graduated from being iron boy jr but we need to see how he acts now that he’s on his own. You like most kids now at days want to be quick to give credit when they haven’t earned it yet. I don’t mind giving him credit fr does a good job in his 4th film, but Let’s wait and see. Most projects now at days have no direction so being optimistic always leaves people with a sour taste in their mouth once they get the final product.
Imagine an Iron Man movie at that time period starring RDJ against Dafoe’s Goblin fighting over nanotechnology would of been absolutely crazy.
I know it wouldnt f i t but just imagine that scene in iron man 2 when Whiplash ambushes him at the race, he is trying to put the armor on and right before Tony gets cleaved in half, you see Spider Man whip in and pull whiplash back so he couldnt merc tony.
@@Subject_KeterThat race happens in Morocco and Spiderman is in New York..
How's it possible?
He swang across the ocean @pavanvarma1919
@@RafikiTheBaboon when in which movie tobey did?
Remember Morocco is not in US
@@pavanvarma1919 I was being sarcastic, obviously he didn't swing ACROSS THE OCEAN 🤣
Wait wait wait so youre telling me that from the jump, Sony made bad decisions when it came to Spider-Man?! Impossible.
Ohh yes, It's bad enough to go see Avengers at the movies and not see Spider-Man, Wolverine and Cyclops 🤷🏻♀️
Andrew didn't want to go to the Amazon either, but now we know it wasn't because of the convention or a pay dispute, it was because that was where Madam Web's mom was studying spiders with Ezekiel Sims when she died.
@@solvseus 🤣🤣🤣
INCONCEIVABLE
How u know Disney won't fuck it up also?
I knew that Nick Fury was supposed to mention Spider-Man, Hulk and the X-Men in the first Iron Man film, however I didn't know that Spider-Man was actually supposed to be in the Incredible Hulk film. Maybe his alias could've been Mr. Red as he could've tried to help Bruce cure himself as Peter knows what it's like living with irradiated blood, so Peter and Bruce could be kindred spirits.
Mr. Red? 😂😂😂😂😂 What? Why would Spider-Man be in a Hulk movie to call himself Mr. Red? Why would anybody call themself Mr. Red tbh?
@Byronic19134 did you watch the incredible hulk movie? They use the alias Mr Green, so Mr red kinda makes sense given yknow.. his suits red
@@Byronic19134 have you ever seen the movie smh
Stop lying. X-men and mutants never existed in iron man universe ever. They are well known in the world always.
If Marvel wanted Spider-Man and the X-Men in the MCU, then why did they stop Fox from including Nick Fury in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer?
Should Tobey have been the MCU Spider-Man?
No, Iron man as the focus made it all work
Yeah it would have been awesome but it sucks that Venom and Brock would have been dead before the MCU started.
Hell Yes Tobey felt the most like the Peter Parker of The Comics He Was!!! Spider-Man and seeing him with other Marvel heroes like Iron man and Captain America would of been a dream come true to me
Nope
Yes
Give this man (Ryan Arrey), a job at Marvel!!!
Edit: and Colton Augberg
Edit: its "OGBURN"
his Mom already works there 😂
They have no use for someone that knows the source material.
No, give it to Colton. The guy who writes these.
@@MARLEYDIDITwait really?
@@AudibleFistyes really no joke
Dude, that was actually amazing. It’s so impressive what you guys are capable of coming up with. I wish that Disney, Sony, and Fox had decided to work together back in the day so that things like this could’ve been possible
honestly crazy how business affects our entertainment
@@blkstxneIt’s not even good business it’s bad business, the real issue is control all these CEO’s are there because they have personality disorders which compel them to power and to control everything.
Too bad it's all about money and not what the fans really want
@@timothycrump5634 It's a fu**ing paradox, because IF they would make the movies the fans want, they would have an enormous amount of money.
@SebastianMihail that's facts, brotha! But sadly, they make sure to support a certain narrative as well. (Which would also make them more money if they didn't push fake news) 😆
OMG, seriously? He would've made the best asset to the franchise!
No. Lol
Yes, current spiderman is monggoloid
Bro that dusting scene in Avengers infinity war would have hit so much harder. As well as the return in Endgame. As well as possibly hinting to have Miles Morales in Marvel as well. To my alternative Earth self.. F*** you for getting and enjoying the Marvel that I want lol.
@@j.c3821 I would like if they did the part from Civil War comic where the villains hunt down Spiderman to capture him and you see Cap's shield yeet them off Toby and he joins Cap side.
Also if they did that arch where Spiderman got beat so hard he lost his Spidersense and developed the way of the spider.
@@trentmcdaniel8288 Yes he would've. It's okay to admit you don't have good taste.
Colton KILLS it with these. He really should be writing for marvel.
You're too kind.
Totally agree 👍
You guys rock! Colton 5 stars!
I am? I take it back then. @@TheTotalRecap
Lol @@okami6ix629
If possible (please do it) you should do a similar type of video imagining Andrew Garfield as MCU Spider-Man.... The story arc you made for Tobey is really great in this video
honestly, Andrew Garfield Spider-Man does seem like the best fit for the MCU. a teenage Peter that still feels and looks like a teenager by todays standard AND an aunt that actually looks like an aunt instead of a hot woman in her late 20s/ early 30s.
This is cool what if!
On a serious note, how are you going to prevent Colton from finding out THE TRUTH in Brooklyn this Thursday?!
Thanks so much for watching! He has no memory of it.
Lol 😂
The post credit scene in Iron Man 1 had my hopes up that Tobey's Spider Man will be part of that universe since they are just one year apart and Fury mentioning radioactive bug had me thinking it is Tobey's Spiderman, or else who else is he referencing to at the time since it introduced Spiderman before hand. And then all those waiting for years, we got Tom Holland instead... Tom is not bad but I rather the OG join the MCU
I didn't know how badly I needed this. Dagnabbit ScreenCrush... Now I'll always have this in the back of my mind saying, "but we could've had Tobey."
Right in the feels 😢
Instead you got something better
Since Spider-Man is referenced at the end of the first Ant Man film, maybe this could've worked. But you're right about Peter not initially respecting Tony Stark, especially since they don't really gel well in the comics either.
Andrew was also supposed to be apart of the mcu but that was cut too
He was supposed to be the Spider-Man coming out in civil war
@@danielcancel2901 god that’s a shame. I do like Tom Holland but seeing the other spdidermen interacting with the mcu would’ve been great
Maybe we can get a "What if? Andrew was the MCU Spidey too?
That's because he didn't want to go to the convention in South America where Madam Web's mom was studying spiders when she died.
that intro crushed my inner childs soul
This was downright entertaining.
Love this content by folks that love this content. Rock on
Thank you!
Love this idea! The only thing I would want to add is a "Sinister Six"th movie after Endgame where Toby's Peter teams up with Miles against the Six, and then passes the mantle on to him.
Now this!! This should happen!!
you bring a very good reason why they should’ve stayed with tobey as Spider-Man. It would’ve made more sense and more sentimental, and even more of a passing of the torch if we would’ve had tobey be Spider-Man since 2002 to 2019 or 2021 and his 6th movie with him as the protagonist instead of getting no way home we see a movie where he teaches miles the ropes like Peter b Parker and then dies leaving miles to be the young Spider-Man of the Mcu. It doesn’t make much sense compared to now when baby face holland looks far from a mentor.
I'd rather see him have a daughter with MJ and train May Parker as Spidergirl. Don't see why he always has to pass the mantle to Miles.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp eeh you know cause miles is the new thing plus that trilogy that he’s got is really well made, so his legacy is automatically enhanced because of it. If it wasn’t for the spiderverse movie I’m gonna be real here I wouldn’t hold miles in such high regard. But spiderverse made him more appealing.
@Nikketmzee Miles is not new he's been around since like 2011. Also, they replaced Peter with Miles in every medium except for live action. I'm honestly kind of tired of seeing them do it everywhere
How can you not love a channel with a fluffy dog as a co-host?
Why hasn’t Disney hired you guys as writers yet?
As cliche as it is to say, Ryan and Coulton don't check any DEI boxes smh
I'd love the opportunity, maybe one day.
Because they would ve made money and the ultimate franchise in history maybe...who wants that??😅
The way you jump in and weave threads of the MCU together is astonishingly similar to co-writing music in a band, people either get how to fit in the mix and create within a structure, or they feel caged or can't compromise and play as a team. It's not good or bad, it's just two different ways of creating music and some do best solo, others in collaboration. Anyway, if you don't play any instrument or sing that's too bad, your brain would fit right in to music with others.
This fanfic gave me goosebumps.
Pretty much summing up all the spider-man content we got from movies and games into 1 narrative
Joe Manganiello was born to play Wonder Man, not Flash Thompson. WonderFlash's sidekick was originally intended to be Flash, and he would've been perfect. Lot's of filmmakers' "bright ideas" aren't actually very bright at all.
Yet again, another great take on what the MCU could have done.
Well done! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Might be my favorite episodes of SC, when you guys flex your speculation muscles. Love it!
From what I remember, back in the day Tobey was getting tired of donning the Spidey suit…but this was an enjoyable What if video
Man I already love the MCU lore and adding the Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man lore into it would spark even more joy into me
Marvel needs to hire you guys as writers, your "what if" videos are great and make sense...Great video again :D
It's a bold and risky theory, but I like it. Many people think Tobey is the best Spiderman, and the sequence of situations you exposed was very clever...
Blessings and greetings from Venezuela!!!
Doug: "You look fantastic" My brain: "Actually he does look a bit Reed Richardy"
Disney needs to stop playing and buy back the rights to Spider-man
Why didn't Disney buy Spider-Man when it was for sale? Sony is bigger than Disney. Especially lately. Lots of expensive flopping going on. Maybe Sony will buy Marvel.
It’s not that simple sheesh.
@@BlackHatCinephileSony just lost 10 Billion dollars in stock last Friday so they may be willing to sell the Spider-man rights now more than ever.
@@WawaMarvelit's not that complicated either
Disney has to buy Hulu from their partners. They currently have no money to spare.
This seems pretty click baity, but i'll watch it i guess 🧐🧐
The symbiote invasion is full on terrifying.
WOW, now that's a SPECTACULAR story and would have been AMAZING to see on the big screen.
god damn this is perfect
I really like this what if. But in an alternate universe where spider man was an OG Avenger, he would not have been dusted (none of the OGs were).
But I think that might still have worked. What if MJ and Aunt May and everyone he cared about dusted? Maybe he would get depressed that he couldn't save anyone and disappear to be alone. The MCU could presume he dusted, and Miles steps up during the blip still. Perhaps he even eventually discovers Peter is still alive and convinces him to come back one last time for the time heist (like they did in different ways for Thor, Clint and Tony).
Peter triumphantly returns, helps defeat 2014 Thanos, is reunited with MJ, and still decides to hang up the suit and pass the torch to Miles
Not only that, I would like to see Mayday Parker in the MCU if Tobey is the Spiderman in the MCU and have her raised.
Or alternatively imagine of he was the ONLY one out of the original group to be dusted. Imagine the complete gut punch that would be!
Spider-Man, X-Men, and Punisher were all supposed to be in the same universe as well (not sure about the 2003 Hulk). Interest seemed to fizzle out before they could really commit
Bro 2003 hulk with the og spiderman with the advengers is overkill but yk marvel gonna nerf someone
Damn...you broke me with this one. Tobey would've been epic in the Avengers! I now want something I know I'll never get 😢 thanks for crushing me with a great "What If" ❤
Omg exactly....I ll always fantasize about this yuge missed oportunity
Well Both Secret Wars Issues SpiderMan plays A bigger Role , the Hickman version Peter and Miles reached Molecule Man and found reasoning even tho it was from Molecule Man enjoying an old Burger Miles had in his suit 😂.
Tom holland is trash Tobey is the og
Tobey not being in the Avengers is why it has taken me all these years to catch up on the whole universe. I refused to watch an Avengers without SpiderMan. Albeit he was carrying superhero’s for years until Iron Man came along. Tobey is, and always will be the best and original Spider-Man.
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!! You had me at "Tobey" and "MCU" :)
The MCU is a dead end
Imagine mattering so little to the world the only prestige you gain is by belittling the enjoyment of others. Be better.
🥉
Until this summer when Deadpool enters
@@olleselin When "Marvel Jesus" rises...
I’m cautiously optimistic that Deadpool & Wolverine will change some of the mistakes. Specially since Bob Iger didn’t approve of Ryan Reynolds creative control.
In that courtroom scene, could you imagine them calling up Peter Parker up for questioning WHILE Spider-Man is in the courtroom? Maybe get a good friend to stand in as Spider-Man while Peter takes questions???
Colton been hitting it out of the park. Great video
Thank you!
Definitely one the best videos you guys have ever done!! Absolutely amazing stuff! I would've love this version of the Infinity Saga
Now that's one great story pitch right there! I'm sure someday you'll be a great storywriter script for a big budget movie for the MCU and beyond. Your pitch really had me on the edge of my seat, yo! Total bad-ass!
I always felt like the periodic reboots of Spiderman were (enjoyable) wastes of potential. The comic book Spiderman character has SO MUCH growth potential that we never got to see on the big screen because Sony just kept retelling the same origin story. By the time of the first Avengers movie, Peter could have been married to MJ with baby Mayday recently born, and in Infinity War we get MJ as Spinnerette and Mayday as Spidergirl!
Unpopular opinion, to me, I much prefer Toby as the main Spider-Man.
Yeah the others are great, but Toby has been with us since our childhood. That's also why he was so loved in the latest Spider-Man. We want him back! :(
That's a great perspective. Love it. I think a little off but overall great video. Thank you.
Good job Colton, your hair looks great man. Totally leveling up❤
Your idea for Spider-Man 5 sounds INCREDIBLE!
I remember when James Cameron said after T2 that he had a Spider-Man story. I'd love to see you go through what the Cameron Spider-Man would be like instead of making True Lies or Titanic.
I do love how these theory / "what if" videos can pull scenes and details from the relevant videogames. I've played (and completed) all the recent Spider-Man games, and loved ever moment of embodying the web-slingers - Peter and Miles alike.
Good job @coltonogburn! As usual... 😉
Thank you!
THEY TOOK IT FROM ME CARMINE💀💀💀 that opening killed me
My g-d, you are awesome…
Your “_____was there all along” stuff was awesome, and now you’re adding to it. Please. Never quit.
18 minutes ago? Did you upload for me to have sometime to watch on my lunch?
That was a cool idea Colton :D
13:59 I would have really liked if you showed a clip from the PS1 Spider-Man game where a similar thing happens. Spider-Man is framed for a robbery (which is the catalyst of the story) and at so me point later in the game, we get a cameo from Daredevil confronting Spider-Man about the robbery, Spider-Man explaining the situation, and Daredevil letting him go because he knows he didn't do it.
This would have been awesome! Well done!
This was a fun one. Good job!
I love this! This needs to be a What If episode or its own series! Because I am so invested!
All of that Sounds good to me! Especially the way you would bring in Miles. Thanks for the What if?
Incredible! I loved all these ideas 🤟🤩
I'm taking a particular angle in my thoughts on this concept, so please bear with me as this likely doesn't make much sense and may easily be answered, but I was curious to know how it would be addressed: One major problem I see with Tobey's Spider-Man is that the actor himself would be dedicated to the role for decades. It wouldn't be feasible, so how could it be depicted that it's Tobey's universe with succeeding actors while also remaining entertaining to newcomers who would need to watch all the previous movies? How would the audience be able to keep things straight in knowing what's part of the MCU or not (since this would've started in 2002)? And would this single line of continuity alternate new audiences with the additional number of movies released in the MCU? Or would there be fewer movies overall?
Colton is so good at this stuff!
This pitch hes making would of been Amazing man I wish Tobey came to the MCU cause seeing him interact with Robert Downey Jr Chris Evans and others would of been the Real dream of seeing Spider-Man with other Heroes cause to me Tobey Maguire is the Definitive Live Action Spider-Man
Well done!
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Spider-man novels which were based on earlier versions of the scripts, or the video games like Friend or Foe
That is actually a great plot! Thank you :D
Bro, WOW!!!! That was one hell of a story! Loved it!!
Thank you!
more of these please. Should be your "What if" fan re-write series.
Wow that would have been pretty dope. Great job guys!
I don't think that was the case, the Tony Stark thing in Spider man 2 was always just supposed to be a cool easter egg, just like what they did with Doctor Strange, and Tobey's cameo on Hulk also was more just because the director wanted, that does not mean it was something planned and he would be on the MCU.
Thanks for showing us what it could’ve looked like 😢
Actually this was a very plausible video...kudos!
Colton!! Now this is how you write! From now on, this is how you write! 👏🏽👏🏽
This would have been awesome, but I do feel like it would have reduced Captain’s role in the infinity saga since he and Tony were the central part of that story. But, it would have been really great to have Tobey in the MCU from the start.
Ngl when I was child, I never knew what is part of MCU and what’s not, I always thought Raimi Spider Man was part of MCU. Back then I felt weird on why Spider Man didn’t appear in Avengers when the battle in that movie happened in New York until much later I realized it’s not part of the MCU (until NWH made it part of the MCU)
Dude this is such an interesting concept
this was great thank you!
You have a good crew brother. Keep them close. Be proud of your team.
Sometimes I sit down and ponder…
What if not just Maguire’s Spider-Man, but all the old Marvel movies from the 2000s were part of the MCU?
6:29 Pronounce the P in “OSCORP.” It’s an abbreviation of the word “corporation,” not the word “corps” that uses a silent P.
This would be pretty cool to have seen play out but since we never got it, Tobey's Spider-Man should come back as an older version kind of like in the animated movies or even based on the newest Ultimate Spider-Man comics. Or using both as a jumping point to make something new.
Considering what's coming up with the multiverse, that's still a possibility.
Even back then, Sony was being a jerk with the Spider-Man rights.
* me trying to find a particular song on CZcams *
Me: "That wasn't it."
* closes tab and this one start playing immediately *
Me: "I guess it was."
Loved this what if scenario vid. Also would you mind making another one of these for What If Andrew Garfield stayed as Spider-Man and joined the MCU pls and thx
Ryan doing the episode of "What If..." we all really wanted.
Ryan Arey you're brilliant 👍💯
Would be neat if What if tells some of these events in a multiple episode format
Sony is so bad with licensing, first 2007 with giving the license to mega instead of LEGO, then 2008 not being in the MCU, then rebranding spider man in 2012, then making the MCU spider man in 2016 was worse than Tobey Maguire
Deam, this is some good stuff
5:09 : THAT'S where that meme comes from 😅
I love the idea of Miles appearing during the 5 year blip and taking over the Spidey work 👍🏾
That was a good video and theory.
You guys seriously need to be executives at marvel/disney. I honestly get more excited watching your videos of what the mcu could be