SPIDER-MAN 4 - KINGPIN and + MCU Venom EXPLAINED!
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2024
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Echo lays the groundwork for Daredevil: Born Again--but it also sets up the nect chapter in the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies. This is the perfect opportunity for Peter parker to wear the black symbiote (Venom) suit and work to take down Kingpin--alongside other netfllix heroes like Punisher, Daredevil, Cage, and Jessica Jones.
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Written by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Lee Mazzio and Ethan Lavinsky
#Echo #SpiderMan4 #Daredevil - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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I have seen some rumors of Antman being in this movie. I can only think of one reason why Scott Lang would be included. If Lang was in the quantum realm during "No Way Home", he would not have been affected by Strang's spell. Lang would walk past Peter and simply say "Hello Kid". Peter would ask Lang how they knew each other and he would be a link between Peter and the people who used to know him.
Dang ScreenCrush. I've watched a lot of your "What if..." episodes on various shows and movies, but this one is, by far, my absolute favorite.
It feels like a well constructed, well thought out story that properly takes bits and pieces that felt out of place from other Marvel properties and brings it all together in a cohesive and satisfying narrative.
Bravo chaps!!
Every Echo video from ScreenCrush doesn't have Echo in the thumbnail. The thumbnails are characters we'd rather see. This is incredible. Marvel, listen to ScreenCrush. Fans know what they want. BTW, I'm rewatching Captain America: Civil War starting with that first trailer. It's hard to believe I went from Marvel's biggest fan to I'm not watching anything from Marvel.
OMG I really love this theory. This is the best theory. I've heard all year anywhere dealing with Echo. And I have watched hundreds of you guys. It's videos and this is by far the best one of 2024
I love the Segway into the sponsor. 👨🏽🍳😘
Marvel needs to hire you all as writers. This is how the MCU TV and movies should be integrated.
exactly this feels like one universe and story not just a bunch of scattered shows that dont make sense until its all put together
It can't be any worse than what Marvel is doing now with.
Bravo !!!!!😭
I agree with you 💯 percent!
LET HIM COOK
This theory is so good and perfectly delivered that I forgot I was listening to a theory and felt like it was a published story.
My thoughts exactly! Can we crowd fund?! 😅
Kingpin is a villain that needs to be around into perpetuity. He can fade in ,and out but, he should always be alive. I hope they dont kill him.
Hard agree
Right! He’s a villain that doesn’t need to die
they will never kill him
Please let the man bow out in with some dignity.
They killed him. Lmfao
Echo proved Kingpin is a perfect storm. He's gone too far to turn back now. He had a chance to change his life, but he'd rather stay a rabbit in a snowstorm. Daredevil and Spider-Man will have no choice but to stop him in Daredevil Born Again and Spider-Man 4.
Echo proved king pin is a beta male
Kingpin has basically been used as a punching bag for daredevil , kate bishop , and now echo. I dont think the guy has had any wins in the mcu yet....
@sgtbeercanyt he will momentarily, I guarantee you marvel is adapting the devils reign event
Dang ScreenCrush. I've watched a lot of your "What if..." episodes on various shows and movies, but this one is, by far, my absolute favorite.
It feels like a well constructed, well thought out story that properly takes bits and pieces that felt out of place from other Marvel properties and brings it all together in a cohesive and satisfying narrative.
Bravo chaps!!
This theory is so good
I want marvel to hire him and turn this into a proper movie
it isnt a theory its facts from the comics marvel is basing their spiderman plot on!!!
I love how Ryan goes on a fan fiction rant at the end of the video that is probably the best storyline/character arcs that will likely not happen 😂 good video though
Its crazy how detailed your predictions are, I love it!
I was going to say that too. I'd say here marvel Screencrush has your script. 😊
Unfortunately nothing even close to this can happen. Sony won't let it.
I personally think that Sony considers SpiderMan to be a hero on the level of Iron Man/Captain America. They would never allow him to work in a team with such lowly heroes as Daredevil, Echo, Kate Bishop, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Punisher.
@@mariusm62 he's above those heroes tbf.
@arniehd19 That's quite a stretch. Maybe in the comics, but not in the Marvel Cinematic Universe(MCU).
After the last episode of Echo I said, "Kingpin should be in Spider-Man 4".
He'll most likely return in Born Again before that
@@racool911 no shit lmao (its daredevil he has to have kingpin or the hand)
This is easily my favorite pitch you've ever made. Colton KILLED IT.
What did you think of Echo?
It was great I think people just excepted too much from it
it was pretty bad. best parts of the show were Kingpin and Daredevil. Alaqua Cox has zero range in her acting
It was great i think this was a much needed series to get marvel back to its roots im excited to see what next for kingpin in the MCU.
It was entertaining enough. So, not bad. I never read the Echo comics or any of that. And I am aware of how they change the character for the show, etc. It didn't bother me.
However, when they showed flashbacks to 1200ce when the Natives in Alabama are playing lacrosse, why was there a white guy in the crowd? That truly made no sense! I know some people are implying that was Odin. But that's a crap theory. And to the other people saying it was supposed to be a viking explorer. Vikings didn't make it to Alabama. They settled in Newfoundland Canada. Far away.
Very boring. Episode 1 is just a previously on recap.
If this is the direction Spider-Man 4 heads under Drew Goddard's direction, I could see this happening!!
Defenders, Netflix, punisher style, Spider-Man movie, dark gritty. I love that idea.
Ahhh this is such an exciting story pitch! They should just hire you, Ryan and Colton!
Dude Disney needs to hire you as a writer your script is way better than the originals
Marvel really needs to hire you. You have come up with better storylines. This is the DareDevil we need. I have been wanting MCU street level for a long time. That is why Hawkeye has been one of my favorites Disney+ show. I love the street level heroes so much more.
Kind of curious how Kingpin links MJ and Ned to Peter when no one is around to fess up and physical records have all been changed to erase Peter. That is a massive plot hole that is impossible to resolve.
Spider-Man has still been around mj and Ned so if he sees footage of Spider-Man with them then he doesn’t really need to know Peter
The coffee shop and spiderman watching over them
@@Dredhedassassinthere’s no pictures either imagine if ned and mj check they phones and see pictures with Peter in them they Finna wonder who tf that guy is 😂😂
@@BLADERANTSON1 So Peter Parker going once to buy coffee from a cafe is enough for them to stand out in Kingpin's observation?
SpiderMan watching over them has not been shown in canon so it's not a plot point you can build on unless you establish it in your own fanfic and, maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't remember Ryan establishing it in his.
@@Dredhedassassin what footage? It has all been removed by the spell. Nothing, not even digital images, can remember Peter. So he'd have to start hanging around them in the post-spell universe for there to be footage of him with them and that has not been established in Ryan's fanfic.
This is the 1st video I’ve actually watched all the way through an thought in my head like an episode as you talked.
Really immersive.
Beautifully written!
Thank you all for the work!
What do you want to see in Spider-Man 4?
Daredevil ,and spiderman team up would be amazing
Mayor Kingpin.
MCU peter finally in his element as Spider-Man in nyc
I have a question: Could it make sense if spider man would team up with venom and will use him as a suit, even after spider man 4? Because this venom is still from Eddies one, who wasnt a villain, but helped him to beat other villains. It will also be a good Upgrade for Peter because the Villain in Avengers 5 and 6 will be on multiversal level and since he doesnt have the nanosuit anymore(maybe it will change), he would only have the classic suit.
@ihavenoname-qm8nr odds are the piece of venom won't be sentient so it wouldn't be much of a "team up" but yes the symbiote would be useful in the Avengers movies but i wouldn't be surprised if it's removed from him by someone like Thor who could recognise a klyntar and advise against wearing it and inform Spider-Man it's an alien lifeform
I think Spider-Man 4-6 will be a trilogy like Star Wars. The fight between him and Kingpin like Luke vs Vader
0:46 I didn’t think the season “fell short” I thought it was exciting and personal, and well-acted. Yes the show was far from perfect. I hope to see more of Echo and see more character development there.
The public already know Frank Castle is The Punisher (represented by Matt Murdock while Punisher was in prison with Fisk), so Fisk hires Castle to "hit" Spiderman, setting up the classic Spiderman comic introducing The Punisher.
Kingpin has always been one of Spiderman's arch enemies long with Green Goblin and Doc Ock.
Yous guys are so good at what you do!! I got teary eyed when MJ and Ned recognized Peter! I need this movie in my life
This was way more entertaining than the entire echo series. Quality writing that I would love to see on the screen.
Dude that was amazing 🤩 even if it never happens I’m glad this played out here like a screen crush other world 😅👍
I'm surprised Disney is doing this storyline. They usually shy away from storylines with real life parallels currently going on. I mean an alleged criminal running for public office.
donald DUMP is the dollar store kingpin
@BLADERANTSON1 what did the dollar store do to you?
@@TheAceAdventurer80 nothing as im British so its poundland for me.
I don’t normally comment on videos, but this is by far the best recap/ future what if I’ve ever seen. Keep doing what you do! 💪🏽
Vince Onfrio the king pin will become even more legendary!
Vincent D'Onofrio
I really hope we get Bullseye, he was one of my favourite parts of Daredevil S3
14:15 Perfect opportunity to have Matt wear the paper bag mask with holes in reference to Peter's Fantastic Four outfit, lol! "I have a spare paper bag you can use..."
Wait this is the most interconnected pitch I’ve ever heard the daredevil heartbeat thing, kingpin getting the serum, him being the holder of a bunch of items. DUDE.
If only Marvel would think the same. great story. And would love to see it on the silver screen.. thanks, Ryan.
This was like an audiobook. Love it.
Man I really enjoyed your theory videos. It brings a lot of excitement for the future movies and shows.
You have crafted an excellent movie that I would happily go see at the theatre.
Seriously yall write better stories than anything phase 4/5 has delivered, this would be a cool story for them to follow
When you're a comic book nerd, you'll probably going to write better material than what Disney and WB will put out post endgame. The days of hiring the comic book nerd writers and directors or writers and directors who honor the source material and try to do right by these characters. Disney is just hiring anyone who don't even have any regard for this material.
@@juliusjean-baptiste924 Right. Marvel Studios nowadays doen't even allow their writers or directors to read the source material which is the COMICS. They hire Hollywood people who thinks highly of themselves.
I love this!! Great work Ryan and the ScreenCrush team! 👏🏾👏🏾
‘’WOW”” I love your hearing your movie pitch! it sounds so good like a movie I would love to watch. Gave me the feels.
Holy hell that was an incredible story. That's seriously something we need to see. Also love the idea about MJ dreaming of Peter and then finally realizing it's him.
I agree. MJ and Ned should be the cure for the symbiote. It would be cool to see how he tries to impress her with his new suit and abilities but she says: I liked you in the red and blue suit. You changed, everybody sees that in the city. He gets mad and go to The Daily Buigle to threats JJJ because his articles are reporting the dark side of Spider-Man. And then he realizes it's not fault of the news but the symbiote. :D
don't ever write movies
I enjoyed Echo, but I enjoy these types of speculations from you guys even more! Keep 'em coming!
I’m not crying about MJ and Ned remembering Peter. You’re crying.
They have to find a way to squeeze in she hulk if there’s a legal angle right? To keep her as a sort of “street level” hero
This was really great. Definitely some great ideas in this pitch.
Okay, the MCU should hire you guys to help make that happen. That story would be amazing to see on the screen. Who do we need to call?
This is your best work Ryan. Bravo. Love your page
That was an amazing video and such great ideas.
Did anyone hear that Sony WANTS to continue to work closely with Marvel? I saw the whole "Forget who Peter was" thing as a way to sever Sony from needing to work in conjunction with Marvel regarding Spider-Man. Not that I assumed that was the case but Spider-Man's future in the MCU seems kind of uncertain to me.
You “what if/next” ending just gave me goosebumps!!! We need more of your what if stories!! ❤❤❤❤❤
I hope Disney is watching this because this would be a very compelling story for Spider-Man.
This movie would be just plain awesome, I almost cried listening to the plot. I hope Marvel goes into this direction even a little.
Just incase this happens ...I really hope Steve Carrell plays Doctor Doom . I feel like if he was in the full costume , with face mask, and cape. The mannerism he would find and if they somehow altereed his voice on set with the mask and melded better in post.. I've been thinking about this for way to long haha and seeing all who have come and gone and the levels of their off the ground physics.. that element of drama comedy improv humor satire.. thanos and doom in a car with darkseid comic haha or even hearing how he could even talk in the third person... It just seems a really great combination to at least give a costume test haha love the vids have a great one
The Venom symbiote inhabiting Kingpin would make for an interesting scenario in the MCU. Not sure if that's possible considering contracts and what not.
This would be an amazing movie or TV show 😍😂. Man I love your theories/scripts for marvel!
When fan fiction is better than the end product.
that add read was crazy smooth
Of course we all have no idea if this is anything like what they will do, but it is totally something I would watch!
When it got to the part about MJ waking up from dreams, and grasping the necklace Peter gave her 😭 I’m not crying, you’re crying!!
I really hope Jessica Jones will be back . Her character and portrayal brought something unique we haven’t seen before in all superhero movies/shows.
yeah the character grew on me too
Yes! They need to bring her back she's great. Get kilgrave in there too because what a great villain. David Tennant smashed it out of the park 👌
Bring back the Defenders, Colleen & Misty, Trish, Punisher, The Netflix MCU was better than anything Disney has put out for Disney+.
The only multiversal story that I could see being effective with Toby and Andrew returning would be if they build on the final scene where when Venom went back to his own universe, but a part of the symbiote was left behind. This would give them a good reason to have all three meetup again to fight the new Venom with Toby's experience with a Venom and they could even say that Andrew had faced his own (offscreen), but since this new one has some kind of multiversal aura around it and Tom's Spiderman has nobody else to turn to (them not knowing who he is), he somehow reaches out to Toby and Andrew to help contain the symbiote craziness.
"What about Iron Fist?" "No!" I needed that laugh. Thank you.
That was excellent!!! Would love to see any of those theories come true.
Man these guys are good at this.
WOW! Well SOMEONE had been thinking about this for sure!!
Man, you had me on the edge of my seat! What a movie!!!! Where are the post-credit scenes?!?!?! 😁
I love some of the ideas. Bloody Gritty Symbiote Spiderman needs to happen ^^
Incredible ideas
Duuuuuude this needs to happen. Solid web you weave. 🔥🔥🔥
Wow really well thought out
Sounds really awesome! Hopefully some of this will come true.
Daredevil needs to train up since before he was fighting silent ninja assassin demon warriors from the hand and he looked slow vs echo . I can’t believe he took that delayed kick to the face
LOVE IT...
Ur MCU videos were better than thw MCU storyline the past 3 years
I feel like that should save the symbiotie for secret wars to page homage to the 1980s secret wars.
This was great!
Can’t wait
Love this!! Your hired.
This was incredible!
you are the man
Hearing this was poetry in motion!
Literal Goosebumps!!!
This was amazing! I would be totally down with a Kingpin-Venom!
This is an awesome breakdown and entry into spiderman and dare devil
I thought it was realized that Pointdexter wasn’t in love, but wanted to learn how to be more neighborly and social normal… that’s why he was following that young lady around. She was going to teach him how to operate normally but Fisk wanted to keep him unhinged.
That sounds so crazy. I need this movie to happen
Damn it. Now I’m pissed that this likely won’t happen. This needs to be the next Spider-Man movie.
Only thing I’d change is Peter working at the Baxter Building under Reed Richards which will lead to Reed helping remove/store the symbiote
you had me up to the symbiont part.
Its hard to take Kingpin seriously, considering he keeps losing.
If it only takes Hawkeye to beat him, then it shouldnt take a team, which includes Spider-Man, to beat him
The thing with villians like Norman Osborn or the Kingpin, is that they find ways to come back. They take a big chunk out of Peter, like losing a loved one because of them, get caught or 'killed', and always find a way to come back even worse than before. They change their faces, obtain seats in government or wealthy business, and influence the public by changing their image to a 'good guy', totally mind-effing with Peter, Daredevil or any arch-nemesis.
I'm hoping we get a second "civil war" type story like with mayor Fisk in the comics putting out the powers act and the super heros having to band against him
This and the Galactus vid were absolute bangers…. Almost like it has to happen this way
With that convention you spoke with! I want this to happen!!
This was amazing
I hope they follow your story. It's awesome!
How is this story so good it gave me chills just hearing you explain it lol 😂
Someone pay this MAN. Excellent story here Dougs person. Love your story line.
So sweet, I like your guyses black cat and back spiderman story better
Thank you! Appreciate it.
Y’all…this is so good. The ending had me. Seriously…this is the way
Echo was dope loved it wasn't sure about until it showed up stayed up late to finish it
I would 100% watch this movie, fantastic work SC
This was brilliant
So, that was awesome 👀🤯