Why the FLASH Flopped - Full Movie Review
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The Flash was supposed to be the swan song of the DCEU and the birth of a new universe...and it turns out people were;t that interested. So why did this movie--which is quite good--fail at the box office? We explain.
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Featuring Matt Singer ( / mattsinger )
#Flash #Flop #Review
The movie bombed. It made less money than black Adam in its opening weekend, despite hype from cinemacon, celebrities, and the promise of a new universe. I want to talk about my thoughts on the movie, and why it bombed,and a little later I’m going to bring out two of the best, Matt Singer and Colton Ogburn, to get their thoughts on this movie.
I gotta say, I liked this movie, but it was overhyped. We had James Gunn saying it was one of his favorite superhero movies of all time, an array of celebrities giving it an early thumbs up, and even the raves I heard after Cinemacon made me really pumped to see this movie. I love Flash Comics, Love keaton batman, and I’m excited for a fresh take on the DC universe.
And this movie was good, but I would say it’s like an upper mid level marvel movie. Like it's better than the ant man movies and thor love and thunder but it’s no winter soldier, you know?
But for me it hits a lot better than most other DCEU movies. I would actually say its my second favorite DCEU film, just behind the Suicide squad. My full ranking is in the comments, let me know yours below. And also, thanks so much for always supporting our channel-if you like what we do here, check out our merch store with some fun flash parody shirts, like doug fetch shirt, be kind don't rewind, the Flesh zombie shirt, and doug says, you wanna play fetch, let's play fetch. Link is in the description below.
So, back to the flash. Let’s talk about what worked. Ezra Miller really did feel like two different characters in this. Barry and other Barry seamlessly interact together, and even if they had the same haircut you’d be able to tell them apart.
I always thought Barry was annoying as hell in both versions of the Justice league. Like the creators were trying to interject some marvel humor, but they cranked it up to 15, and the jokes rarely landed [clip]. But in this movie, the masterstroke was to introduce an even more annoying version of Barry, so I can transfer my hatred onto him. This makes our Barry seem almost normal by comparison.
But this also forced Our Barry to grow up, tobe the adult in the room. Like, the awkward guy getting a gross sandwich at the start of the movie feels very different from the guy who exonerates his dad at the end. The events of the movie change Barry, and allow him to grow as a person.
And it’s great to see a superhero movie where the hero has to learn a lesson about when not to use their power. Most of these movies are tights and fights that end with the hero beating up a bad guy. But in this movie, Barry is the bad guy. He has to overcome his own inadequacies-his own trauma-to save the day. That is so rare in any action movie. I feel like this movie graduated the DCEU’s Barry Allen into a full-fledged superhero, not just the Justice League's janitor.
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And I guess we should talk about the elephant in the room-Ezra Miller. I don't like to comment on things like this, because I’m not a lawyer or a moral philosopher. There have been a lot of accusations,and some violent incidents caught on tape-and as far as I know, only two criminal charges actually filed: trespassing and second degree assault for throwing a chair at a woman. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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HE literally groomed children against their parents wishes and abused women on camera. Quit making excuses for HIM.
wow. LOVE ScreenCrush...HATE this take! Over Nerd-ing it. People wanted to hate it so they did...THEY = Ya'll. As soon as it hits 4K disk, it's bought!
It's like watching a 12 year old reviewing a movie 😂
@@ChewyRocksandiscute Yeah, I'm with you. I loved Ezra in Justics League as Flash, but when all the horrible things came out about him? Yeah, not gonna watch anything that has to do with him.
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After Weinstien, seeing yet another person in Hollywood be abusive with no consequences just amplified everything people hate about Hollywood
You do realize that it's just the same in every industry. Power corrupts.
they need deleated
I @@theyhateme8763 Apologies. I am pointing out that that's not really Hollywood, it's more our American culture.
At least Weinstien made good movies.
They should have pulled a "Clue" and shot 4 endings and randomly inserted them into screenings so you don't know which universe he ends up in. Then you could have had 4 different Bruce Waynes.
That’s actually a great idea! Also any mention of Clue is great.
There's at least 3 alternate endings including this Clooney one. There's the Keaton and supergirl one and Cavill supes, supergirl and Keaton one. Definitely will be in the ultimate edition, they definitely need to make their money back because the box office isn't going to come anywhere even close to the budget and marketing.
Another version had the Entire Justice League (Barring Cyborg) Show up in Normal Civilian Clothes to celebrate Barry exonerating his Dad.
That would have been better..
I sort of love that.
How Hollywood "dealt" with Ezra Miller proves that Hollywood only cancels stars at its convenience
R Kelly approves that
@@YoungBlaze no he doesnt he's doing 30 years, woody allen approves
Yeah in case you haven't noticed, Hollywood has never actually been a beacon of virtue. The reason actors and celebrities get black listed is if they make bad publicity.
Michael Keaton as Batman is like Christopher Reeves as Superman. They have natural wit, sarcasm. What differs Mr. Keaton from other Batman successors is that when he's in costume, he had this snappiness with his movements that none of his successors does.
I don't think people were attracted to Ezra's Flash enough to overlook his personal issues.
Yea, most people hated his Flash in JL
Sexual assault is like the cardinal sin in humanity. If respected actors (like Bill Cosby & Kevin Spacey) or powerful industry players (like Harvey Weinstein) could not survive it, there's no chance Ezra Miller would.
Mix Ezra's struggles with a readiness by fans to move on from WB's craptastic handling of the Snyderverse overall and you have the reason that this movie flopped. Add that to the option to see it in a couple months on a streaming platform and you have the final nail in the coffin.
It's nothing to do with what was actually in the movie because people didn't go out to see it in theaters. It's not Michael Keaton's fault. In fact, my guess is that most of the people that went to the theaters to see this movie went for his portrayal of Batman alone. When we finally have a James Gunn DC movie that WB hasn't had its hands on then you'll see DC rebound at the box office.
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Many people that have certain issues with separating the artist from the art itself do so because their opinion is entangled with their ego and that informs what they can overall accept. I can enjoy movies with actors whom I think are d-bags same with watching sports or a lot of bands whose music I dig but the front man is a total asshat.
My brother can't listen to most comedians because if he disagrees with them on a subject or two the the whole thing isn't funny he also can't watch football or baseball anymore or go to concerts because his opinion/ego can't handle dissent of his world view which I think is sad because he's choosing to be a brittle spirit in a much smaller world.
I hope more people give this movie a chance despite Ezra because a lot of very good and talented people worked very hard and made something that's not perfect but it's a lot of fun with a lot of heart in it. Life is more fun with less of an ego.
I don't think that the flash erased Ben Affleck's batman, I think it's actually just The Flash who's now trapped in a George Clooneyverse as a clever way of writing Ezra Miller out of the franchise in general
Wow that's a really good idea . I thought he's back in old DCEU and bc of the things he did in past George Clooney now DCEU's Batman replacing Ben Affleck but really what if Barry Allen is actually stuck in George Clooney's universe 🤯that also makes total sense and would solve both the problems keeping Ezra miller out of new DCU and also keeping the old DCEU intact . That's brilliant actually 😅👍
That’s exactly right and it’s hilarious! I’m surprised more people aren’t getting it.
@@andycalmes4201Right? I feel like this was obvious for if this was the direction they wanted to go. With the major caveat being that he isn’t “stuck” - there’s nothing stopping him from going back in time and putting the tomato cans back on the bottom shelf
or at least creating an option for that. They don't have to use everything they plant now.
Or maybe that's still Flashpoint and GC is Thomas Wayne
I believe that Ezra messed up so bad that he ended up in the universe with Clooney that will never be seen again. So we start off with a new flash and a new batman.
This would be absolutely perfect.
it makes me unspeakably happy to see this bomb after the producer claimed its so good you will forget Ezra's crimes.
He said that????
@@Pjayjaywhat crimes did he commit?
@@Forever.Remain.Nameless he seems to get drunk a lot and harass strangers, theres that clip of him strangling a fan which the ppl recording thought it was a bit at first, something else about him grooming or having some kid in his home but idk too much about that one. just a menace.
@@jaggedsigns3O11 thx
I watch movies for stories and characters, not actors. No matter how good the movie is, it cannot erase, downplay, or justify the actor's personality or behaviors behind the scene.
I'm old enough to remember Colton telling me that The Flash told the multiverse better than Across the Spiderverse. Which now seems like an absolutely insane take....
1000% agree. As much as I don't want to disparage Colton and his opinions, he came off as very "fanboyish" for the DCEU, and not very impartial in terms of presenting a movie review. The little criticism that he does offer is immediately offset with his fondness for the movie so I personally did not value his opinion at all. And he's crazy to think that Clooney would continue on as Batman, outside of being a fun cameo at the end of a movie. Kind of like the "Henry Cavill" Superman showing up at the end of Shazam. And people are still not sure if Shazam is part of the DCEU or not.
As far as telling a multiversal storyline, there is no way this beats Across the Spiderverse explanation of the multiverse. I'm actually SMH with how Michael Keaton Batman explained the multiverse. It would have been just easier to say that the Flash was in another universe than to explain that he changed both the past and the future.
the animated Flash Paradox movie did in fact explain multiverses better than spider verse. Simply not this one.
@@ChaosAngel667 Flashpoint Paradox doesn't deal with a multiverse. It's the same universe, just a different timeline. And as for the explanation, it's ok at best.
However, Crises On Two Earths deals with a multiverse.
Yeah well, James Gunn told me it was going to be the best movie ever. Hmph.
I don’t think ppl care for Ezra that much. I think his real life shenanigans caught up with his art.
I at least hope that is part of it. God knows we need to see more prominent people get consequences for their actions.
Also though I'm surprised anyone watched any DC movies after Batman v Superman
@@Dan55888What? Wonder Woman and Justice League was great.
Ah yes when he kidnapped his minor gf lol
Why? Because Barry Allen is not an obnoxious, dumb, slow-witted gay criminal. Barry Allen, the Flash, is not a dumb loser with superspeed.
@@slimjimnyc270 not wonder woman 2 and only snydercut was okay, not the original
Imagine a world where they didn't fire Johnny Depp and they fired ezra
The timeline we missed
Johnny Depp as Barry Allen is a bold choice.
After watching your review, you’ve opened my mind even more with this movie.
Sasha Callie’s Supergirl deserves more than her being a tragic Superheroine as I love this take on her as opposed to the typical long haired blonde beauty. I hope DC continues to do more successful experiments on their characters and even their more obscure characters.
Totally made more sense she was a brunette, like Kal-El, too. She did great.
I’m pretty sure a huge problem for this was also Ezra Miller and his recent past. I’m pretty pissed that they have gotten rid of Gal, WB continues to shoot themselves in the foot.
@actionfigureShowcase umm no, I was answering the question posed in the video. Tbh the need to get their collective heads out their asses but they won’t. I’ve not seen the flash movie, have you?
Let them dig their own grave
That’s a really really hot take. Especially considering it was literally mentioned in this video, in all these kinds of videos, and a shit ton in the comment section.
She too old
@@gbeach85 were you never taught that if you can’t say anything nice then don’t say it at all? Do you read the comments while the video is still playing? If so that’s kind of disrespectful to those who took the time to create it.
The fact they didn't acknowledge grant gustin was a massive missed opportunity. I wish he was In it
YES! I was hoping so hard I'd see him.
Want to know why Grant Gustin wasn't in it? Because The Flash producers wanted portrayed is wholly different to the way Grant played the character on TV.
@@djshotty And? It's a story about the DC multiverse that had three completely different takes on Batman, plus three different versions of Superman (George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, and Nicholas Cage, never mind two Supergirls), AND a Jay Garrick Flash.
Not to mention they already did an Ezra-Flash cameo during the CW's "Crisis On Infinite Earths" adaptation.
I think the reason they put George Clooney's Batman in the movie is that they are driving home the fact that the Flash created all the offshoot universes that contain all the different Batmen and Supermen through the events of the movie. Every time he went back, another timeline was created with different causality. The Flash and the events in this movie is why the Clooney Batman is different than Keaton, and Kilmer even though we are told they are the same Batman. Flash did it all behind the scenes of those movies in this one..
Putting aside Miller’s issues, I enjoyed the movie and couldn’t understand some of the vitriol aimed at it. And Keaton as Batman kicking ass to the old theme was worth the price of admission
Am I the only one who caught the subtle quick joke when the younger Barry, in his chopped up Batman costume, tried to quickly turn his head on the Batplane and his mask got all twisted. Almost every Batman movie has some sort of joke about him needing a suit that would allow him to to turn his head better. And this is the source Batman, with the rubber, immovable neck.
No, we all got that, everyone from the X Generation did.
Yes I got that but I didn’t pinpoint it as a running joke across all Batman movies! Thank you for pointing out that!!❤
@@tarantulasarecool Yes, they tried to fix it in the later movies of that group. They even made slight references to it in BHS discussions and the Christian Bale movies with him discussing with Alfred about fixing the suit to get more head movement but still protect it.
@@kenbrandon6434 so cool! I’m eventually going to rewatch all BM movies but will look at the comments regarding his suit!
Best. Superhero.EVER! Nananananasnan BATMANNNNNNN!
I have to admit my fav was ‘Batman returns’ cuz I loved Michelle pfeiffer as cat woman! & penguin was sooo gruesome but interesting!
Childhood memories!!
@@tarantulasarecool there’s a few CZcams videos about it. Just search “Batman turn head”. I even saw Michael Keaton explaining how he had to turn or move his whole body just to look up or to the side.
I think it pretty obvious what happened with the end. Initially it was going to be Michael Keaton and SuperGirl continuing on (especially since batgirl was filming) but once they decided they were rebooting they removed all of that and just did a fun nod to George Clooneys Batman. How are people not seeing this lol, it’s not that deep
Yeah DC said Keaton was supposed to shepard new DC movies, but then they changed leadership/direction and abandoned him and the multiverse component.
Yes! This!
@@dsegs28 god, I may die before we get a good old man Batman with his Robin moment. Beyond better not suck
Because they’re going to use Clooney to make a Batman beyond movie watch. They were probably scared to with Keaton he’s old man. Clooney is a decade younger and has a robin in his movie so it’s easier to have a other robin without doing a whole new movie AND you get Batman beyond later. Killing 2 birds one stone
I’ve always said DC makes their characters so powerful that it makes it hard to translate to live action. And I’ve yet to be proven wrong by the DCEU……
As much as I love the possibilities of a multiverse, I am getting sick of it now in movies.
The post credit, Barry tells Arthur that he's been through multiple universes/timelines and that there were different "Batmen" in everyone, but Aquaman was always the same (yet he didn't even exist in the first alternate timeline). To me, that implies that Barry has traveled more timelines post-court scene and now he is in one where the justice league has yet to form. And now he's the one trying to get the band together like Bruce did in the original one. Thus, the Clooney reveal could have been a one-off, and there is going to be a completely different, unrevealed Bruce Wayne in this new timeline.
Barry is in a new time line that we will never see again. Flash moving the can and making his dad look up, created a new time line. Therefore, there is still a universe where Barry's dad is sentenced and found guilt but now on top of that his son is missing
you said that in 1/8 of the space I used LMAO
The Tomato Can Effect
Yeah, I think they're just throwing away the original Barry into a "nowhere universe". So the Batfleck universe lost that Barry. Same like the Keaton universe has no more heroes, including the other Barry, because they all died (or maybe their universe got erased).
I was just thinking that lol
Exactly, I've been watching Ryan's(screencrush) video long enough to know he's smart enough to figure this out haha don't know why he of all people didn't get that.
We all know the BIG reason it flopped, and they knew it was coming
Yeah, because there’s a better one coming in two years
Big facts
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As a child groomed by Ezra tf you talkin bout?!
HE literally groomed children against their parents wishes and abused women on camera. Quit making excuses for HIM.
I think if they are re casting the flash he should’ve re entered the present as the new actor… therefore retaining his memories and him even being confused on his new appearance I think that would’ve been an awesome way to clear up that problem since let’s face it ezra is a problem as him being in the movie didn’t help the views
I caught it only a year later on Amazon. Expectation were really low. It surprised me how good it was.
I think the reason for George Clooney appearing at the end is because this new timeline and the whole Snyderverse is now part of the Elsewhere movies.
Ever heard of the 30 days Marvel rule?
@@Enkeriawhat that is?
It was a weird choice for Ezra to even be there, it really sends the wrong message to have them at the premiere and letting them do interviews
Them means more than 1😂😂😂
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@@jasonhallowsworth6889it doesnt always, been that way for a century or more. but stay dum i guess
@@jasonhallowsworth6889 that's Ezra's personal pronouns and they want to be referred that way. sometimes you try leaving the rock under which you live and checkout the world.
Ain't no one wants to watch a real life villain play one of the most iconic superheroes.
The focus on nostalgic cameos reminded me of Space Jam 2, which wanted to showcase how many popular properties that Warner Bros. had access to. During the basketball game, the audience was made up of various characters you would never think you'd see standing next to each other, like King Kong, Danny DeVito's Penguin, Pennywise from Stephen King's It, and the Jetsons. It was absurd and you can tell it was designed to make millenials in movie theaters point and shout at the screen "Hey, that's so and so!" I watched the Flash with my wife and son and pointed at the screen when Keaton showed up, George Reeves, Adam West, Christopher Reeve, and Nick Cage appeared, and when George Clooney walked up at the end. I immediately told my son the background information on all these cameos because he had no idea who they were or what they were referencing.
I kinda think the Clooney cameo really means that this Barry is now in a different universe, and they are going to start over with a whole new Barry, new Sups, and new Bats. Not this universe, but a totally new one. They can't keep Ezra, that would be ridiculous
All of these different universes is corny😂
I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.
@@Forever.Remain.Nameless Yes, South Park completely destroyed the multiverse bs with their recent episode.
I think what they're doing with Clooney is indicating that 'our' Flash 'returned' to a (slightly) different universe, so now they can recast him in the next movie
🎯 Exactly, the very idea of another Clooney Batman movie is ridiculous.
"next movie"? There probably isn't going to be one.
@@shadowmann9 I mean in the next version of the DC-verse
@@aluthman281 Ah, ok thanks.
Yes, he created a new reality where Clooney is Batman and Aquaman is a drunk.
As mentioned in the last comments section, this movie has been through 3 different studio ownerships, at least 5 separate directors, & has been in production for 8 years
They pulled it together
And stars Ezra miller.
And I actually liked it more than most DCEU films. :)
Seriously, who's idea was it to put Ezra Miller in the movie? Did they lose a bet?
The activities of the star are impossible to ignore and the tragedy of that is that it was the reintroduction of Michael Keaton to his beloved role. That's almost criminal in and of itself.
Simple. A lot of the people who put the money in their pockets (the fans) warned DC that if they don't recast Ezra Miller, they would not support the movie. There is NO reason this movie should be flopping like it is with this iconic character, but the fans are staying true to what they said, and it's gonna lose a lot of money.
Funny how everyone keeps skirting around that obvious fact.
There's a good in-depth examination of what we currently know of the story on YT right now.
Flash and Aquaman are the boring characters
No one wants to take their kids to see a movie where the Flash is played by a real life sexual groomer/psychopath.
I think if Ezra Miller hadn't gotten himself in all that trouble, they might have kept Michael Keaton out of the trailers and only showed Batfleck. But they were definitely throwing this box office on Michael Keaton's shoulders.
I thought this movie was going to do great...im happy people dont like Ezra miller and voted with their dollars. How the fuck they get rid of Henry and Gal but keep a freak like Ezra on? Ohhh thats right... Ezra is a they/them and can do no wrong to the hollyweird elites eyes. Meanwhile Henry Cavil actually cares and is a standup guy and he looses the superman roke...what a joke.
That's what they do. They never face reality and double down on their stupid narratives.
I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.
The Clooney thing is obviously a joke indeed. It's a signal to let us know : this timeline is now disconnected from the movies and we will never see them again.
The Clooney cameo was an absolute mic drop moment, i saw the film the day it came out. The Clooney bit was amazing. Audacious
Absolutely amazing to see Clooney!
I think the Aquaman post-credit scene was just to show audiences that Aquaman is still around so come December WB can still make as much money as possible off of Aquaman's sequel before the refresh starts.
Sad ain’t it? Whoever is in charge at WB last 10 years needs to go
Aquaman sucked so bad 😂
Thank god MCU exists for giving us such fascinating concepts and characters and science
@@Kashmiri_pandit776 Heh 80 percent of MCU projects from last few years range from mediocre to just outright bad so not sure i would gave them that much praise. (btw i dont count SONY Spiderman anim movies into it) Though i do hope after guardians they work on inreasing quality back - i am somewhat hopeful for Secret invasion.🤓
@@mar.s6516 u should say this for DC 😂 atleast see how the audience reacted to MCU first 3 phases.
MCU easily dominated the decade with Avengers- captain America - Iron man- black panther exclusively then GOG etc
DC is no way near bro...just see the content!
DC is boring except for Batman dark knight, Avengers...marvel gives u a thrill, excitement, great characters...here science is more involved than just flying in the air !
Affleck reshot the scene originally featuring Keaton in Aquaman II, so either that is the "Barry is missing" universe or they just cut the scene to avoid confusion.
Between the craziness with the actor and the making this movie not matter, they destroyed any prospect it had to succeed.
It flopped because the actor for the flash is literal a pedo cult leader criminal.
Let's get real. The DCEU movies mostly failed with a few exceptions so nobody really cared if DECI was over or not
@@radrobd123 Yea, but it's the idea of the world continuing on and where its going. To know it's going nowhere makes you feel like "what's the point if I know it's going nowhere".
@@radrobd123agreed, i dunno where these sudden fans came from.
If Clooney is in, I hope we will get a batman beyond storyline. I can see him as a good older man in the chair Bruce.
I just saw it! I went in with low expectations and enjoyed it. Ezra is a tormented person but really made the movie great. The ending just left it open to whatever James wants to do. 🎉 Supergirl without superman wasn't going to beat Zod I loved that. Moving the cans gave you George's Batman loved that too. Believe it or not DC unknowingly started the multiverse with different actors as Batman and Superman🎉😂❤
Watch Orphan Black with T. Maslany for single actor portraying MANY versions of genet. same person. THAT 1 was seriously impressive and she dosnt just play many different personalities, she very often plays 2 or 3 of them having conversation, or fights with each other and doing incredible job at it.
Great show
Henry Cavil, Gal Gadot, and The guy for aquman need to be in the new universe they were so well casted
I agree and there not gonna do it. So it's going to suck
Not Gal Gadot
😂
@@redscar1973 Agreed, she's pretty.. that's about it.
*Man put some respect on Jason Mamoa* 😒
A calorie counter would actually be a great limiter as terms of gameplay for the flash basically giving him a fuel gauge you need to constantly consume food maybe he stores some as like an items type deal and if you run out he can go to food carts and drive thrus around the map
Well, he can be everywhere on earth in a fraction of a second to get food. In my opinion, there's not enough weight to justify him looking for calories constantly (not in a movie nor a video game).
Thank you for bringing up the big problem with the multiverse. I’ve been saying this from day one. When you have infinite of something losing one of those things is irrelevant.
All they need to do to fix this, is have a character bring this up IN THE MOVIE. Like have one character say to another, "If there's a million different possibilities, why does it matter what you do in this universe?" and have the other person say, "Because I LIVE in this one, dumbass!"
Grant Gustin's Flash SHOULD have made an appearance, or at least when "Flashpoint" happened, twist it a bit and give Grant's Flash (at the least) 1 movie to 'reset' the timeline. While I enjoyed The Flash, it definitely FEELS like the WB Execs got their hands in it (all the re-shoots, cuts, etc). But oh well, I'm looking forward to James Gunn's DC stories. Hopefully WB doesn't throw their hands into that.
Flashpoint is one of the most popular comic stories of modern time they would under no circumstances waste that story on Ezra even if resetting the timeline is what they actually needed and what flash did in flashpoint lol that’s probably gonna be saved for the very last DCU movie 15 years from now
i think people are more fan of Grant gustin flash Zack synder flash is like a bluff People started loving from animation or CW shows If grant gustin was in the movie this would be good selling point for this movie
Cw shows are plagued. So no....
If they were gonna do the Clooney cameo, they should have gone all the way and had Alicia Silverstone and Chris O'Donnell poke their heads out of the limo as well.
There is no way no Possible Way, George Clooney will be the next Batman
I'm sure the end signified that Flash never made it back to his original timeline and that the new DCU we watch can now be whatever clean slate we want it to be.
The last scene makes sense since we are told not all changes are catastrophic, he does learn that some problems have no solutions.
Yeah, I don't think he understood the movie. Moving the can only affects the future, not the present
I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.
One of the major reasons I didn’t watch it was because of the Henry Cavill spinaroo. “He Isn’t going to be Superman again”, “Just kidding, he…. Isn’t going to be Superman…” I wonder if that even confused Henry Cavill.
Regarding the CGI I have just 4 words...Computer generated babies, horrific.
Tbh I’m one of those people who like the multiverse. I don’t see it as “nothing matters if it happens somewhere else” I see it as the ultimate danger. Literally no idea where you would end up in infinite possibilities. The problem I’m having is each multiverse movie to me they are not as adventurous/crazy as they could be.
I agree with everything you said
There was Across The Spiderverse which was adventurous imo
@@StarSpecexists YES!
@@StarSpecexists I did. Amazing film indeed! Thank you for the recommendation I was not disappointed☺️
I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.
This scene right here 2:16 made my 12 year old nephew shout "OMG Savitooooor" :D
That producer got his giant spider in the end, though 😂😅 You know, if you know
The lesson Barry learned, the truth he had to accept, wasn’t “don’t move tomato cans,” it was that his mom couldn’t survive without causing earth to be destroyed. Yes, he’s taking another risk by saving his dad in the future but it’s a risk he can easily put back if necessary.
the intersection or whatever it's called, the tomato can is not one of them
I simply understood it as a "fixed point" that many multiverse movies do. Barry's mom dying and his dad going to prison are events that MUST happen for The Flash to become the hero the universe needs him to be, but his dad **staying** in prison isn't that important.
I HEARD IT FLOPPED CAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED IN CHINA SO ITS MISSING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAUSE OF IT. JUST LIKE IT HAPPENED WITH BLACK ADAM.
Ezra Miller. DC keeping him on as the Flash really put people off
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The way they treated Cavill put people off way more.
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Yep. Not a fan of rewarding behavior that most people would’ve been ‘cancelled’ for.
I watched it last night, it looked bad but oddly I enjoyed it, I swear I noticed some mistakes in the editing though, one scene with the two flashes had them walking around a room and their ears kept losing all detail and become skin toned triangles, definitely forgot to fill it in haha
Correct me film enthusiasts! If I am not mistaken, Barry's mom died when he was a kid. So, when he travelled back in time to his teenage, his Mom and Dad were inside the house. Wasn't she dead already?? If she dies when he's a teenager, then why did his Mom did not recognize him at the last part when he went to talk to his mom one last time???
DC is a mess…
But we all know this bombed because of they “Elephant in the room”.
The fact that DC didn’t seriously consider that what Ezra was doing off-screen would heavily impact fans supporting the film is mind boggling.
That compounded with how the studio handled Ezra and Amber’s off-screen trials with NO real consequences for their films (respectively). While Jonathan Majors lost both his PR Agency and manager after his charges… seems like a hollyweird double standard???
I don’t believe that’s the reason this bombed at all. I think it’s a factor for sure. But there’s also ‘superhero fatigue’ as people say. There’s the fact people are just tired of DC. The Flash hasn’t amassed a group of fans in the couple of things he’s been in. There’s the fact none of this really means anything because of the Gunnverse around the corner. People taking their kids to see a movie probably have no idea who Ezra Miller is. I can tell you now if an actor I really like had been committing crimes I’d still go out and see the new film they’re in. Short of any really horrific crimes obviously.
If your queer u can do anything. While johhny depp has his live taken from him for alot less
@@JayGC those are really good points too! 👍🏾
@@pepepantuflas1 right?!? 💯
@@JayGChe has a lot of good points, and you have some too- to add to what you both say I would safely call what happened overall a case of death by a thousand cuts.
When Barry put the can of tomatoes on the top shelf, the can was black. Originally the can was green, so now he is in an alternate timeline from the one with Ben Affleck as Batman. When young Barry dies here, old Barry can stay because his mother is alive. This removes the flash entirely from the Affleck Batman universe we still have. That clears up having to recast Ezra, he would not exist in the Snyder universe. The post credit with Aqua Man pushes this further showing our Barry Allen is in a different time line.
8:40 Disagree. Supergirl was important for the plot. Without her, Zod had no codex to come for and she nerfed "The kryptonian traitor" so that Barry not being able to win in any scenario made sense. Otherwise Superman not being able to defeat Zod in so many trials wouldn't be justified.
I think Ezra's Flash eneded up in a different universe version, that's why Clooney is there but Momoa is still the same. Did anyone notice or think Momoa's voice sounds very different in that post-credits scene?
I did/do and it confused me a lot but they also mentioned that Aquaman looks the same in different universes, so I think they intended to conovey that by changing Momoa's voice and making this Arthur/Aquaman a pisshead but it doesn't matter much because the character will still look the same (like Momoa) in any other universe... What are your thoughts?
That parade of uncanny valley cameos was so clearly written in after 'No Way Home' set post lock down box office records
I think supergirl was in the movie mainly to show the weight of Barry’s actions. You give your mom tomatoes, now Superman doesn’t exist. So in saving your mother you cause the death of your friend and the greatest hero in your universe
The flash is the greatest hero in the universe, that’s the whole point of the flash as a hero, a single human man that created and carries one of the forces of the universe as if it’s nothing, he outruns death itself. Superman can’t kill the flash, the flash can kill superman.
I am going with the multiverse / Flashpoint idea, that Barry did cross time and a dimension when he came back. Just not Earth Prime, but another Earth.
As far as how much Mrs. Allan was not in the movie after Barry saved her, the same thing is true with the Flashpoint movie. He saves her, interacts with her a little bit, and then has to deal with no longer having powers and WW3 between Themyscira and Atlantis.
I agree my biggest upset with this movie was the movie trailers. They gave away 2/3 of the movie plot. Most the surprises were not there. 😠
George Clooney and Christian Bale are my favorites. But the little time we had Ben Affleck, he is really good as a Batman. And Micheal Keaton did his role perfectly in this film.
I think if dc does this right..this time I think we can all see them get their flowers in a infinite earths movie
Christian Bale was a terrible Batman, but a decent Bruce Wayne. And there is no better Batman than Ben Afflecks... Period.
@@23MRNOLIMIT wrong.
It feels like Keaton was supposed to be revealed like Tobey in Spiderman but after Ezra was exposed they had to use Keaton to save it from being completely canceled
Why it flopped?
1) mishmashed script for budget reasons.
2) Grant wasn't the flash
3) just a mess.
In just two films, Ezra Miller has desecrated a grave & cooked a baby in a microwave 😂😂😂
I THINK that Clooney's Batman was a sign that Ezra's stuck in that timeline, and the DCU gets a new Flash when appropriate. However, I would not be upset if Clooney got to play a serious older Batman, as Nghtwing would then be near Superman's age, and likely to be the official "Batman" of the DCU. We could also see the Dick/Damien interactions as well, as there should be some resentment between Damien and the first Robin.
I would love that
That makes sense and quite interesting to explore
Honestly, Warner Brothers missed two big opportunities here... The first, was missing the chance to bring in Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne.
The second, was having Keaton willing to come back as Batman... And missing the opportunity to have a Tim Burton lead Batman beyond movie.
Overall, it wasn't a bad movie... But they tried to shoehorn way too many different concepts in without really committing to them. They mangled the flashpoint series into something almost unrecognizable... And if this was supposed to be the current version of the dceu's swansong, then they left it way too open.
For me when they revealed that George Clooney was Batman, that was their way of telling us, the franchise is dead for their version of the DC
My only hope for Clooney at the end is a potential Batman beyond situation
As much as I love Keaton he will always be my favorite Batman..but I could see Clooney as a good old Bruce Wayne in a Batman beyond movie or show?🤷🏻♂️
Tbh I'd love to see Clooney in a better suit and see him do an actual fight sequence redeem that batman. He's a great actor who could pull it off with good writing
I did not like the bad guy was Zod. That is a Superman character. It is like taking a Spider-Man movie and having him team up to fight Red Skull with Bucky. Yes it is possible, but it doesn’t fit right. There are so many characters that they could have put in Zoom Godspeed Reverse Flash. It was like Flash was used to go from the Batman world to Superman world.
Zod being a superman enemy means nothing when this is flashpoint... Like... The big bad isn't even a speedster, it's Barry ..
Actor Michael Shannon felt the same way. He said it felt like they took different action figures and made them play together
They never even solved the mom's murder in this movie. Could've easily been a Flash villain.
23:00 he did not change the past with the camera, he changed the present, since the video was not going to surface into present day, it wouldn't affect anything before the court day.
They were trying to pull the whole Aaron Taylor Johnson/Evan Peters thing. It didn't work in WandaVision and it DEFINITELY didn't work in The Flash.
I remember that reset/reboots through time travel in the comics, if used correctly, still kept the story going and kept me engaged. More often than not however, it's used as a device for when writers write themselves into a wall. This is what I'm seeing used by Studios now with the "multiverse". It can be done correctly and with care but more often than not, it's abused as a way to just create threads that don't connect or leave fans frustrated.
I do believe the Clooney cameo, like what others have said, could've been used to help exit Miller's Flash from the new setup that Gunn's DCEU.
VFX were bothering me way more outside of the scenes you described. And with this heavy reliance on vfx in almost every movie nowadays, you can’t just simply overlook these things. Look at how wobbly the flash’s suit looks in almost every shot in the movie, especially the opening act, where it would matter most to really set the stage and convince the viewer of top quality. The scene where both flashes and Kara slide into frame looks just so bad. Everybody always picks on the CW and their bad vfx because of the low budget, but really this was just like that. Always try to remember how awesome the first iron man looked. That was 15 years ago. Feels like it’s only getting worse and I don’t blame the vfx teams. They are overworked as we know (and as we all are by the way). Studios must really find their way back to quality over quantity.
When was the flash released?
George Clooney's cameo was the only fun thing in the entire movie. And it was also evidently a joke, there will not be a new Batman movie with George Clooney. And, also, do you really need to promote generative IA? It must be boycotted, not normalized.
What's even sillier than Clooney showing up is this...Clooney's Batman/Bruce Wayne is technically the same Batman/Bruce as Keaton's. Clooney is the second person to take over Keaton's portrayal of batman. So, how can Clooney show up if he's technically Keaton?
It seemed pretty obvious that making that change would have no impact on the past and would only impact the present. I am also thinking that ending was a fun way to close out the Ezra Miller Flash in a different multiverse as the fulcrum couldn't be fully repaired once broken. I also think the studio didn't want to say if Ezra continues or doesn't continue in the new DCU.
Anytime Celebrities and Hollywood is trying to tell you how good a movie is or sell it to you, that's an automatic red flag, if the product in question is good, you don't need the machine behind it to convince everyone..
it kinda seems like leaving Ezra's Flash in the movie, along with Clooney and Momoa, makes a lot of sense with the 'Barry learned nothing' feel of the end. Like, he screwed up again and is now trying to do what he was doing before, getting the group back together, but now Aquaman clearly isn't up for it.
Frankly, I think they cheaped out on the VFX and had some studio changes, and no one really expected this to succeed with a wide audience.
How lucky is it that The Flash seems to only encounter problems that can be resolved by running fast.
Actually, the dominant society embraces his behavior. He’ll be fine.
What I couldn’t help but notice was that the whole world just kinda kept doing it’s own thing after Zod and his spaceship appeared. I know it wasn’t the main driving plot but you’d think if there was an actual alien invasion for the first time ever, people everywhere would be freaking out. It would be pandemonium everywhere.
But people in the cities and stuff that wasn’t set in an immediate battle area around them acted like it was any other day.
Seriously, it was jarring. If you watch it again, you’ll see.
That one is simply explained by the fact not everyone would believe it (conspiracy or military excitement), and it was the Milatary doing stuff to calm it down. Same thing happened in Man of Steel, shit didn’t go down until the very end
It was only the young Barry friends that were recovering from a bender.
And, being honest. After what we've been through the pandemic, I wouldn't be surprised if so many people ignored Zod.
I just think the director didn't want to give it time so as not to redirect attention to the main story.
Remember COVID, in the beginning people was dying on the other side of the world and in my country daily life was normal
Same thing happened in MOS
I thought the movie was really good. I wish it would’ve made more money to have a sequel.
8:30 Nope - removing Supergirl from the storyline would have meant there was no way to get barry's powers back after the power drain in the lair , or show why her death mattered to Barry.
Give Grant Gustin a chance at the big time, fella earned it 💯
Wish they would
@Dana White's Cocaine just curious, why no?
He to old now
Yes, BUT WITH BETTER WRITERS AND PRODUCTION than the CW team
Keaton was playing Old Batman the same way Mark Hamill played old Luke.
I watched the flash movie on 2 flights and fell asleep both times.... but the George Clooney cameo I swore it was a nespresso advert. I was so confused 😅
So, why didnt he travel back to figure out who (and why) killed his mother? ie. Maybe that person (if it was pre-meditated) would strike again at a later opportunity (if it was 'prevented')....
I'm surprised by some reactions. I know some of the CGI is bad, really bad in spots. But there are other spots where it is absolutely fantastic. The phasing through the wall, zooming in on younger barry's eyeball. Nearly all of the war scenes with the kypton army vs US army was great. I personally saw the George Clooney Cameo as a gag. I never expected him to be the next batman.
I'd give the movie a solid 8 out of 10
I’m more mad bale wasn’t in this honestly I could let Kilmer and Pattinson slide but no bale hurt me
i agree,,,think it is just a cameo
I didn’t mind the cgi it was good enough I loved the how the speedforce was portrayed
@@DanielLopez-fj9yz I agree overall. I loved how the speedforce looked and how they explained time works backwards too.
I liked the movie. I was laughing a lot which is weird for a DC movie. The CGI was only bad in a couple spots. I prefer the super speed running to not look like he is skating but instead he has like multiple legs (They had one spot where they did it like that and it just looked better). The baby thing looked pretty fake. They tried to re-create that awesome Quicksilver slow down scene but it was not nearly as good. The two Barrys was done perfectly! I never once felt like one was cgi. All the Batman stuff was fantastic! and the Zod scenes.
I just saw this today and I really liked this. Not sure what the new universe they are establishing unless Aquaman end scene is saying he is the Aquaman in every universe and we are getting a different Superman. Ezra did a heck of job playing 2 characters. I didn’t realize he had the dramatic chops. I nearly tested up when he said hello and goodbye to his mother. I get the moral dilemma with Ezra just hope he gets help. I will buy on 4K. I didn’t have a problem with the CGI they should have showed as many DC connected universes as possible and a CW nod. I really liked this movie.
Agreed that the lack of a CW flash nod was criminal
Same ..it is a very good movie..people are happy to spend on joss whedon justice league, thor love and thunder, but not on this one
It was a good movie. Its crazy that a move can make a quarter or a billion dollars before it hits PPV and DVD and be called a flop
@@christinagreekct marketing and distribution cost
Foh u talking about he needs help no he needs to be in jail people like you are the problem
I really enjoyed the movie. The CGI was not 2023 level, but it didn't bother me at all.
It was humorous and fun to watch.
Also, CGI in some places were really good.
The only way the ending could work (and give this movie a point) is Dick Greyson being Batman and George Cloonys Batman as a mentor to both him and the new Robin
I love the flash character so much. I loved it for him. I dont like Ezra Miller. Def over hyped but I liked it.
Same I really enjoyed it people just shitting on it because they dislike ezra but it was a great film with awesome action scenes and great comedy
@@ezpeasy3967yeah fk supporting that guy. I'll save my money.
He's the best thing to ever happen to the character of The Flash imo. Don't buy into the hate
All these "CZcams critics" oughta start making movies....since they apparently know more than the director.
@@talorreese4543 if we had the money. We could make a movie better than this rehashed garbage. Hell just stick to the comics without race gender swapping half these movies would be an improvement