Why Captain Marvel was WRONG (and Could’ve Stopped THANOS!)
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"You can't just give people free will and then walk away, that's not how it works" - Loki
I don’t remember this quote, but it’s certainly correct.
The issue is that Danvers was not trying to free the Kree, she was getting revenge on the Supreme Intelligence for kidnapping her.
Bingo. It wasn’t anything else. lol The Marvels film Is in no shape confusing It just isn’t good…
Which is somewhat justified
@@storm-bu4qbso causing the destruction of a whole planet involving people who never even knew Carol is justification for what the Kree did to her? what type of hero does that?
@@sonnicgamer yes, destroying an entire civilization including innocent people who knew nothing about Carol was cruel. But her resentment towards the supreme intelligence was justified. Plus she didn't anticipate or realize the outcome will be that gruesome and she admitted it herself. Imagine being kidnapped and having your memories extracted (almost like mental manipulation, abuse or torture) feels like gaslighting. It's not a good experience if you know what it feels like. It's a very cruel and traumatic experience you can't hold in for long cuz it can destroy the victim's soul. This is a case of Ying Yang (the good in the evil and the evil in the good)
@@sonnicgamer it's what storm said, and also Carol didn't cause the destruction of Hala *on purpose* . Her main objective was to weaken the Kree Empire and to destroy the Supreme Intelligence. The 30 year civil war + the destruction of their ecosystem + the death of their star were things she didn't predict, nor want. It's more like an anti-hero journey rather than a true hero or villain one.
30 years passed on earth but carol flying around the galaxy at light speed doesnt experience time like we do due to reletivity. Depending on the distance from earth and gravity. Hours or days for her could be years on earth. Hence why she hasn't really aged in 30 years
dar-benn didn't age either. i think it's mostly a kree thing.
She does not travel so fast. She uses the Universal Neural Teleportation Network.
@@devanirnf she can surely travel at light speed as shown in her first movie and in endgame when she save Tony and even in The Marvels but she own a space ship so she can use it to travel i mean when you got a space ship why would you waste your energy flying all the time just laid in bed and let the space ship do that😂
It’s like when Rick & Morty ended The Purge, only for the planet’s people to start murdering each other all over again
Great video. Now I’m wondering if Carol and her team stopped Thanos early on in his crusade then Loki never ends up on earth, never gets captured, never escapes using the Tesseract then never ends up in the TVA, no meeting Kang, no spaghettified Timely, Loki doesn’t replace the Loom.. Then maybe Spider-Man is the one who causes all the Multiversal madness in the 161. Or maybe not since the only reason he knows Doctor Strange is that they fought together against Thanos so would that mean we would avoid the Multiversal shitshow all together. Or maybe not..I dunno.. my head hurts.😂
This version of Carol couldn't lead a three person team and you want her to lead a Galactic Federation?
...and then Annihilus shows up. "Who said my name three times?!?!?" 🤪
Always appreciate seeing an analysis that does it's best to not be biased against a stellar character.
Carol, throughout the comics, tends to struggle less with physical defeats and more with mental defeats and ptsd, which often lead her to using her incredible power in ways that often have collateral damage. These stories though, are what give her character strength and her arcs meaning. This was central in both films she was a lead in, whether well done or not can be debated sure, but it was there. In the version of the time line you propose, I could see this being the central theme of her character in a better way than we see in the MCU. Some of Carol's most powerful moments come from these cosmic and moral dilemmas (the death of Singularity, the death of Binary, her escaping the Brood, her fighting the Phoenix Force, ect). If we had a more cosmic setting, I'm sure we could have explored these sort of things better. The Kree an Shiar are super important to the M'kraan crystal right? Which would be a great way to introduce the Phoenix Force and thus Jean Grey and the mutants. Plus Rouge, Nova, and many others are central to space stories involving her. It'd be a fantastic what if episode.
I'm always haply to see Carol on screen, let's just hope these future outings will be better. Though I doubt the hate will truly ever stop.
0:14 That's Airwalks, and yes, I was. lol.
I like the little reference to the Kree Enperor in Hardians of the Galaxy Vol.1 and how he ratified the peace treaty with the Nova Empire that caused Ronan to defect and join Thanos.
The thing is, people act like she just attacked the Kree once when she destroyed the Sumpreme Intelligence and that was it. But she was at war with them for years. They *used to have* a huge empire, emphasis on used to. And even if they didn't show it in The Marvels, she fought them in most of the Large Magellanic Cloud until they were no longer a big empire. Some mention would have been great. But that's an issue a lot of MCU projects have. So much secretism doesn't allow small details like these to be developed (until they need to be used in a project).
true
Captain Marvel didn't even try to help the Guardians of the Galaxy since she's in space!
The issue is getting her number and enough of her attention.
There’s a lot of planets in the galaxy lol
@@ForestRaptor Well, and also, it would run into the same issue that the Guardians have with Thor at the start of _Thor: Love and Thunder_ - Carol is much more powerful than any of the Guardians.
I’ve always wondered how the Kree Emperor rose to power as he’s specifically referred to as the successor to the Supreme Intelligence before being replaced by Dar-Ben after the end of their Civil War.
Pavel is giving Colton a run for his money with these recent videos
Another great video Ryan, but you are forgetting with all this said, Vision's comments about avengers creating opposition and Thor saying if earth has the tesseract it signals earth is ready for a higher level of warfare
Vision's comments about the Avengers creating opposition were mostly nonsense though. While Earth did face higher and higher stakes since Iron Man revealed himself, Iron Man didn't cause Loki to invade in _Thor_ or _The Avengers._ The Avengers also didn't cause the return of HYDRA; that plan had been in the works for decades.
Whats a heros with endless powers worst fear. A problem they cant punch out of.
This video made me feel better. Screencrush always helps me when im upset 😊
That's the weirdest looking Southpark episode I've ever seen. Wonder if it's an early episode😂
3:53
Still don’t understand how Carol destroying the central intelligence would cause their sun to burn out 30 years later. Pretty sure the sun would have done that regardless… not to mention why couldn’t all the Skrulls move to that planet the emperor’s colony was on!?
I theories that the Supreme Intelligence would have altered the Kree about the dying sun so they could have either evacuated or come up with a solution.
The Supreme Intelligence could have also come up with a solution itself (or at least played an important part in coming up with a solution).
Even though Ryan is right about Danvers not making good decisions. The Kree and the Skrull societies have similar behavior as humans. They both have good and evil citizens. Even if the Kree had a strong empire, their kingdom was destined to collapse eventually. The Skrulls that were on earth rebelled against humans not because they were misstreated, but because they had an ability humans didn't. And they saw an opportunity to take over the planet. All I'm saying is that all these events would've have happened regardless
@@miltonmejia4242true but it all stems from her taking bad decisions upon bad decisions. Sure those things would have happened but definitely not to the extent they got to
@@leeking6939 I was hoping to see a scene in the marvels where half of the skrulls and kree get vanished by the blip. I'm sure that played a big part in their internal conflicts too. I can just imagine Thanos going to those planets. That is if he hadn't already
The Supreme intelligence being destroyed threw the Kree into a civil war and I think we are to assume that the war, either through maybe some sort of technological firepower pollution or one of the sides in the Civil War literally destroyed the sun, that it was the war itself that destroyed their sun. Like maybe they used space nukes or something during the war and destroyed their climate and that affected their sun somehow.
Actually it is all Yon-Roggs fault for taking Carol back to Hala with him.
Tony tried creating something to protect the galaxy, it was called Ultron.
“Airwalkers” 😂😂😂😂
Why would you label that clip from the simpsons as South Park?
Looking forward to the MCU being good again someday. At least I hope so. Some tough times ahead for this channel until it is.
I am SO glad I wasn't drinking water, when you said "President Potato Head".
Once again, Pavel T is giving you guys your best stuff lately, keep it up 🙌🏾
if Thanos is stopped earlier, then maybe Ajak never has a change of heart, the Eternals continue their mission, and Tiamat destroys the earth?
Yes 100% Thanos is like Loki. Bringing heroes and people together for the common good.
Exactly i keep explaining this time and time again on why Thanos should have won in Infinity War and that it's why Strange didn't use sling ring on Thanos
exactly
Yeah I actually generally like Carol but hey it is big MCU theme to do something good that has unintended consequences that lead to disaster.
Carol is so much better in the comics.
Hi Ryan, any updates on the Doug plushes? Had no emails updating us and think they are supposed to be delivered next month or so (I'm UK based). Super excited to have a little Doug buddy!
Traveling throw space need a lot of time... if only someone have teleporting powers ... Like every magic user in MCU or Heimdall ...
Nitpick, the main villain, it's difficult to be afraid of her when she looks cute trying to look bad. As for the Nova Corps, when Quill gave the power stone, maybe they tried to make their own Captain Marvel but using multiple individuals to be empowered by it instead of just one. At some point Carol could had made contact with the Nova Corps and they learned how she was changed by the Tesseract and tried to duplicate the conditions for that power up but using multiple ppl as individuals tend to blow up like Ronan.
It's not a nitpick; it's a major flaw of the movie. The villain never really looked dangerous or menacing
What about the Eternals, Namor, the Ancient One, Wen Wu they were all active in the past
Love the necessary points you raised that can very well be applied to world issues happening right now in real life.
Yo nice video
Dang this is in-depth knowledge! Good video 👍
Good one 👍👍
I really wish you guys were writing for the MCU
1) Danvers wasn't the only hero. The Nova Corps were busy playing police while Danvers was playing vigilante, and the Kree had their own heroes, even during their civil war. It should be noted that space was pretty safe and encounters with groups like the Ravagers or even Thanos were pretty rare.
[Thanos, BTW, had been at the conquering business for decades prior to Danvers joining the Kree. He just hadn't found the first of Infinity Gems yet.]
2) Danvers didn't want to reform the Kree empire; she just wanted revenge. For that matter, her leading some sort of Galactic league is sort of a joke: She was never a leader in the MCU, preferring to either take orders or be completely on her own.
3) The Red Guardian would have been a better selection than Bucky. Valkyrie was also new to Sakar; it's unlikely she had been there more than a decade or two. Keep in mind also that the Back Panther is a legacy character. Hulk had also been around for a bit.
So, if Fury had put it all the pieces together faster, and had realized that Wakanda had sleeper agents throughout the world, he could have put together an 1990s team from Red Guardian, ant Man/Wasp (the Pyms), and Black Panther (T'Challa's Dad), with Thor, Valkyrie, and a Black Widow being options, as well as various members of the Eternals.
This ignores the Inhumans and any "enhanced beings" from the pre-Coulson days of SHIELD.
And intriguing concept!
Yeah, I agree that if Carol had managed to unite the galaxy by a campaign of nation building and diplomacy over decades, it might ultimately do more good, but that's not exactly her skill set. She had the confidence and headfirst attitude to solving problems that the US Air Force trains into their fighter test pilots. Strategic thinking and leadership was what she was learning in The Marvels. It's hard to imagine who could have the capacity to set up a a new galactic government while massively changing the culture of billions of groups. And then using the Kree to enforce the peace...the same people who had conquered 25% of the galaxy by force. To reference West Wing, it's like saying "they don't know what's good for them, but they'll like us when we win."
Too little MCU fans talk of Carol's wrongs. She don't get to tell Rhodey she was busy if the universe got halved anyway.
That's a pretty interesting way to look at Captain Marvel's character. But this probably would work better as a What If though.
Carol always came off as overconfident and never consider the consequences of her actions. Carol's arrogance and actions causing more problems is very much equal to Iron Man, creating Ultron and many other problems.
Who would win if captain marvel fight against ancient one?
i think the ancient one would win. carol is basically just a puncher and blaster type character. things the ancient one probably has spells for. plus she could trap her in a mirror dimension or something like that. would be a cool what if episode tho
@jettysfuneral depends on if the ancient one decides to warp reality
As the saying goes: it’s easy to blow up a train. It’s harder to make it run on time.
why was the Spock and Barney scene get credited as a South Park Episode lmfao 😂
Found refuge, not refugee. A refugee is an individual whereas refuge is something one or many can seek. An overpay in a rainstorm is refuge from the elements for example. Whether it's for one person or a group.
Chef's kills for the snippet from Generation Kill!
I found out that Secret invasion was supposed to be after The Marvels-which makes infinitely more sense
"Alpha Flight... It's like SHIELD in space."
"You mean, SWORD?"
"..... Deeeeper space."
Wouldn’t this mean Hydra gets to spread throughout the galaxy b/c they’d still be operating via SHIELD
It be crazy if the other skrulls come to earth from captain marvel 2 and have a secret invasion 2 and fix the series
3:54 I never knew, Barney had a cameo in Southpark...
Pretty sure she wasn’t wrong she just was late and then got decked
Danvers said in End Game that many other things are happening in the universe after snap. We still have no full knowlege of what happened after she defeated the sepreme intelligence. In fact, how do we know she didn't encountered Thanos before?
For what I know, the Kree should've been affected by the snap, and they owe Carol (and the Avengers, in general), the restoration of those snapped kree.
They totally could go to another planet.
I wish the supreme intelligence was the villain for the whole movie.
This might not be a thing. But did anyone notice in The Marvel's that Darbin could breath while on MB-418. BUT The Cree on Hala can't breath and need Darbin to steal another planet's air? Mind you, MB-418 didn't have an atmosphere. Maybe I missed something?
Airwalkers? Airwalks
This is what I like to see
This is a BBBBIIIIIGGGGGG what if. It forgets how pissed off Carol was at the Kree for stealing her life. She want nothing to do with these creeps.
if this happens we cannot see epic endgame battle ,infinity war thor scene ,cap lifting mjolnir etc
8:50 “president potato head” 😂😂😂😂😂 I don’t condone hate comments but 😂😂😂😂 that’s so funny 😭
SWORD was founded by Maria Rambeau, Monica's mother...
I wish they kept carols helmet on more. She looks great with it.
Sounds like Captain Marvel needed an Uncle Ben.😂
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The writer as they pandered to the
Bit off more than they could crew. They made a Peggy Sue a Uber insanely powerful version of Captian Mar-vel . Carol could have formed a galactic team to alter the history of the multi-verse..
What a peaceful universe, without Earth. If Thanos never snaps the population of Earth hits the threshold before Ajak has a change of heart and Earth is destroyed when Tiamat is born.
Just like the real world would be a lot more peaceful without Amerikkka and Is a hell.
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Airwalkers?? Get it together, Ryan
if only there was some sort of organization that fought against the Kree she could have helped become the Force you were talking about.
Air Walkers...? You mean Airwalks?
The whole, “Carol did this and she destroyed Supreme Intelligence, there was a civil war and then the sun went out.”
It is like, not only did they jump the shark; it doesn’t even make any sense.
Or did Carol also do something to the sun, but they forgot to include that in the movie? How did she “restart” it? Put back something she took out of it?
Otherwise, how would a civil war turn their star off? They forgot to pay the electric bill?
Did you notice the visual parallel between Captain Marvel flying into the Supreme intelligence building and the first plane hitting the World Trade Center?
In both cases the event catalyzed an empire to destroy itself, not merely through destabilizing an existing order and setting rival factions into conflict but also by setting them on a path of ever more desperate violence and cruelty.
The Kree still haven't accepted that their time as top dog is over. The same is true of the US, now irrelevant to most of the world, but still causing untold damage as its factions plot destructive paths back to prestige they'll never attain again. Neither is actually redeemed, both are still a danger to the world around them.
3:56 says it South Park but it’s the Simpson
My 2 cents: CM was supposed to be released in 2016 but because the opportunity/deal MCU made with Sony about Spiderman it got not just delayed but in reality felt from relevance. It’s well known a post credit scene in the first avengers movie that would feature CM. Then again once Feige got hands on Spiderman everything about lost focus. The first movie back in 2019 IMHO looked as it belonged to “another idea/plan”( maybe the original) about Infinity Stones. That’s maybe because even Rona was there. But in 2019 , Avengers had ALREADY MOVED PAST CAROL DANVERS, and her place in the MCU never felt natural, logical or relevant. What kinda of people from the military would abandon Earth after the events of Infinity War and the Blip.
To make matters worst MCU came up with this very nonsensical “sun killing” plot. The problem is that event described in The Marvels does not fit with the spacial/galactic side of the MCU , set with the GOG movies, Thanos and Avengers movies. Ronan’s motivation on the first GOG movie would be way too diferente; Secret Invasion made canon Skrull still did not had a place to live and were coming to Earth in millions during the Blip. The Marvels plot does fit it. And the movie sucks because of it.
Ryan confirmed to be made of cake.
love how a lot of the MCU heroes are the real villains lol
Carol was a pilot & a warrior (hero). You want her to be a politician and governmental strategist. Those are not necessarily overlapping skillsets. Why people think they can rule just because they can punch is crazy
I’m disappointed they didn’t introduce Nova
You forgot about the Eternals
No Thanos no blip
The Evil Ai turned out to be right as the Skrull showed who they really are when they tried to take tried to take over earth. Many of the skrull talked about how they used to be war mongers at one point before they where defeated.
Ryan you realize she couldve destroyed the Kree Universe star system not Earth's...
We all know she didn't beat Thanos because they nerfed her so Tony would be the hero.
Why do aliens always look like humans with just makeup? What is this, the 80's?
In that universe, Tiamut would've been born so nah, it all worked out ok. At least till now
To be fair it probably would take some time for Captain Marvel to get the lay of the galactic political landscape, and by the mid 1990’s she hadn’t been a super hero very long. A bunch of the time she was a super powered being she was brainwashed. I think she destroyed the Supreme Intelligence out of anger and totally neglected to think about the consequences of her actions.
I think this makes most sense, people always make stupid arguments against Captain Marvel saying stuff like she sucks, she has no facial expressions at all but most of he first movie she is literally under mind control and thinks she is someone who she isn't and when she realizes who she is a completely different person
Did you ever explain why Thanos was teased in The Marvel’s, but never appeared? My theory is that it was cut footage.
I really wish Capt Marvel had better writers
Is Pavel T from Czech republic?
Airwalkers?
My personal opinion.. if Captain Marvel had been an Amazing Savior of The Kree, The Skrull and had stopped Thanos … a lot of the events wouldn’t have happened and … the MCU would had to find other villains to fill their places. Also in reality that’s not really how powerful people act … they only involve themselves in smaller causes.
Yeah, you're probably right or whatever, but my hot take is that more heroes need to start being wrong! It makes things a lot more interesting, in my opinion!
Asking for a total rewrite of reality isn't constructive criticism, it's Malekith.
Airwalkers? Like reebokers? 😂
When the The Marvels showed Captain Marvel killed the Supreme Intelligence & didn’t follow up. I thought, “Oh that’s not gonna bite someone in the butt.”
I misread that as "Why **adding** Captain Marvel was WRONG". Darn.
- The best thing that Carol Danvers ever done was give Rogue super strength, durability and flight. Thanks Carol Danvers for making one of the best X-Men better. Sidenote that would be a great if MCU Rogue syphoned Captain Marvel powers for her to gain and also nerfing Carol to her normal comicbook levels.
What other heroes were wrong?
Tom’s peter and his aunt May were completely wrong 😑. All he needed to do was send them back. And she needed to be quiet. Not because of anything political but because she was wrong and she chose the wrong time to be an actual parent. It wasn’t selfish for him to send them back. And only two of them died.
Peter in No Way Home. The most naive hero yet. After all he's being through you would think he is smart.
Peter quill hitting Thanos in infinity war