Ford Mustang GT 4.6 Impossible Header Installation (Removed Subframe) BBK Exhaust
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I had a tech in my shop that installed those headers in the same car, he took 7 days and after about 40 hours of work he declared the job done. He was last seen pushing his tool box down a hill screaming "never again" and wasn't seen for many months and resurfaced as a politician.
Ray talks like a politician already.
nothing brings so much joy as unscrewing a bunch of super rusted bolts without any of them breaking off
With a "whew" at the end
Ray was operating in a different dimension where rust doesn't cause fasteners to seize.
Oh you got that right
My father and I did BBK headers on his 4.6 mustang years ago. He went through a phase where he put them on all of his trucks and cars. lol That car was tore apart for nearly 2 weeks with an unimaginable amount of cussing and screaming lmao I think we started on the drivers side and it took like 4 or 5 days before he built up the courage to just start modifying the headers. I can just remember how mad he was the entire time while I sat next to him on a bucket listening to him cuss the car out haha
quality bonding time
Fords do that 😢
Were they the regular headers or the equal length ones? To me, the equal length ones look a lot harder to install.
@@LA_Commander I don't know that they made equal length headers for the 4.6 at that time unless they were completely custom. It was just the bbk shorties, which are the regular. I can't imagine fitting full length/equal length headers in there lol
@@andrewbargo1 I think the regular shorty headers would be easier to install. Still a PITA though on a 4.6 OCH engine due to the higher heads and valve covers. But even on the older 5.0 Mustangs I had friends who tried to install equal length headers and they all said it was a major PITA. The regular shorty headers would just bolt right in. Since it had headers from the factory.
"I'm trying to assemble this and I'm still taking it apart" lol
The second I looked at this comment he said it too.
As much as I hated to see Ray go through the issues installing the headers, this was a really good video. We've all been there with a repair that seems straightforward before starting. Lots of good workarounds and commentary with this video.
Agreed.
I agree. And now that I've experienced Ray's frustration, I am now educated and will never accept that job.
Always use copper header gaskets paper ones last about a month
it made me feel better watching this after trying to do the engine mounts on my mustang that already had these headers installed XD
If the header were designed right the job would have gone a lot smoother for Ray. The EGR tube should have been installed in somebody's orifice 😅
>Gets transmission fluid in eye.
>Goes to storage cupboard.
Is it just me or did anyone else think he was going to grab a can of brake cleaner? 😆.
Super funny remark.
Thanks for that laugh.
Should have grabbed a fifth of JD.
He has a whole case standing at the ready for the last step prior start up. 🤣
@@jayaudette2063what is on standby ?. The JD for Ray or the brake cleaner for the car ?. Lol.
I swear Mr. Ray this video did NOT seem like a 60 min. video. Thats how drawn in I was and I'm sure other viewers were drawn in as well. I Love watching Ray Repairs in the morning! Thank you sir for bringing us along while you wrestle with these cars. I know I love it. Have a great day and an even better tomorrow for all your tomorrow's...
Ray has an amazing amount of patience. Surly this job has pushed it to its limits. You are an inspiration to many people! Keep it going, we are with you. RAY STRONG.
WOW! Super tight in there. Now I know why a friend at work was hated by another mechanic who installed headers and side pipes on his older 4.6 Stang... and they said they would
never do it again as well... 🤣😂🤣😂
Someone at BBK owes mechanics some sort of huge apology.
A factory tour just won't cut it this time.
Must be soul destroying knowing all that effort for such a pitiful performance increase. I hope Ray’s customer appreciates what he went through and compensated Ray appropriately.
He's a professional getting paid for his work. Do not cry for him
@@MarkMyWordsXxexcept it’s not clear he is being paid, hence the OP’s question. We all know Ray quoted much lower for fewer hours when he took on this job because no one knew how involved this was going to be. That means Ray may not be getting paid for all this extra work that the OP is concerned about.
Performance increase might not be the only goal. I installed a set of shorty headers much like these in my truck to solve a gasket blowing out issue. After the second gasket blew out i took it to a shop for them to surface the flanges, and it still blew out 3 more gaskets in as many months until the shortys arrived. Since installing them i have yet to lose an exhaust gasket, although the access was much better in my truck than this
@emmettturner9452 he's getting paid from the video right?
He's a busy guy, if he decides to donate his time that's awful nice of him, but making a video about it sure does seem like he's getting paid to do it. To Make the video at least
@@MarkMyWordsXx Maybe, maybe not. It’s about opportunity cost. What work did this displace? What more broadly appealing video might he have done instead? It doesn’t seem like something many are going to want to follow in his footsteps so I don’t think it will be used for reference for future BBK header installs.
Hey Ray 👋. On that E.G.R pipe, the trick is to use your Ir hammer, with the hammer bit and gently hammer it UPWARD. It will work. I worked on garbage trucks. Heavy duty hydraulics. I never damage any fittings doing that.
Not using MLS gaskets will most likely end up with a leak when those crappy gaskets they supply shrink from heat cycling and blow out from not being able to retighten the mounting bolts.
YUP!! It's crazy how they cheap out on the cheapest parts, they'll regret it later for sure, lmao...
I've got a set of those "cheap" gaskets on my shorty headers, no issues. I was blowing through the quality ones once a month before installing these. They seal using a weld bead instead of the full face like stock and the gasket so far is holding up just fine
No doubt, literally the only correct usage for the red silicone
the owner will love the powerful sound even more.
Great video Ray thanks, I was feeling for you take care.
Something told me when those manifold studs came off so easy and you started singing, that SOMETHING was gonna jump up and bite you in the junk! This job kicked your ass and all because you started singing proudly when the manifold studs came free with no problem. I was sayin “ohhh no Ray, why did you start singing….now you’re going to have problems….the car “gods” will not be mocked Ray!” lol
Those were my thoughts as well. The car gods giveth and the car gods taketh away.
@@robeverly6487 lol yeah they do
Wow that job is one giant pain in the ass. Proud of you for keeping calm and moving forward!! ❤
If I was doing that job and had access to Oxy-Acetylene kit, 1) I would be without a job and 2) the engine would be in several melted parts across the workshop! Good on you Ray for keeping it together!
I agree!
its actually a little harder to melt metal than youd think. youd likely ruin ALL of the electrical and fluid lines before anything else lol
@@bradhaines3142the point still stands 😂
It's incredible how you can have the first impression that it will be something quick, easy and discreet, but in reality it becomes difficult, stressful and ends up exhausting all your patience and mental health at once...
Ray I have to congratulate you, you are a very patient. it was a great video.
I hope that this guy is a very good friend
I think that clicking sound is actually your elbow! Lol 😂 ✌️👍
That reminds me - I must remember never to buy a BBK exhaust part.
I don't think its necessarily BBK who is at fault with this. I'd put most of the blame on Ford engineers who thought it was a good idea to shoehorn an engine in there with 1 inch of clearance on all sides. I had to do an alternator on an F150 with a coyote engine recently, and I didn't have room to pry the unit out after I unbolted it. It took me longer to actually pry the old alternator out with zero space, and then beat a new one back in with zero space, than the entire rest of the job. I almost unbolted the engine and lifted it out of the truck, that was my next move but somehow I got lucky and finally got it back in place. But I hate working on anything Ford makes nowadays.
@@jtjones4727 Kind of like the alternator on the ex wife's escape. If you followed the book you pulled the CV axle and somehow could theoretically fish it out between the engine and the body mount.......... Pulling from behind the engine along the firewall worked "better" but not great. Glad that thing is gone.
This car is nearly 20 years old, so can't say it's because of new engineers, it's BBK's fault for not checking the clearances on older vehicles that these pipes are for. Either that or these aren't even for this make and model, thereby it being a installing owners purchased parts. Something Ray has always said not to do.
In terms of advertising your product, this has to one of the biggest fails I've seen in a long time. Forget me buying from BBK, they couldn't pay ME to install their stuff now. First impressions count !!
Most companies that have moved manufacturing away from America and into Chyna have went to complete trash, if I see 'Made in Chyna' or "made in USA with global components" I pass on it because 9/10 times its not worth the hassle!!
I had flashbacks to a very unpleasant dentist visit when Ray went at the engine with that carbide bit.. I hope he didn't go too far into the hole on his labor estimate. He got my like and comment out of sheer sympathy. I hope his welds hold on that bracket!
I did a crown without Novocaine.
Minus the mods to get those headers on. I do believe we witnessed a miracle 😊
You're looking at it wrong Ray. It's like raising kids, sure there is pain along the way, but think of the joy, satisfaction and pride you will have when your job is done. .. Just be patient for that sweet BBK shorty header V8 rumble post the engine starting sequence...
Some auto shops (Most) are comfortable with raising labor costs for extra work encountered during a repair/install. Ray's is not that shop. Happened to me in New Mexico. Kudos to him. It hurts financially but his honor and character is intact. Can't say that about any shop in NM. As a result, I bought a Wildfire lift, manuals and now do all my own work. Their loss.
No one has successfully installed BBK headers on a 4th gen Mustang, no one alive anyway. The one person who has done it died years ago and the other who has attempted it is too old to complete the install.
Poor guy probably died of frustration.
@@jeffbecker9809 LMAO
Their longtubes fit very nicely on both B and C headed Cobras.
When you were removing that manifold every fastener I was holding my breath and hoping it didn't break off ! I'll share your pain
finally, you said you should have pulled the motor out, yup every time
there would have been a hammer sticking out of the windshield by now, your patience is amazing.
The Marine Corps phrase ” Improvise, Adapt, Overcome ” is certainly on display here. And hello again, Mr. Al Gor-Rhythm . :)
Absolutely amazing display of talent forward thinking and saint like patience,well done Ray you deserve a medal for continuing with this job
Never surrender, good job Ray.
Mr Ray you are the greatest mechanic I have ever seen. You work on all name brands of vehicles. Thank you for all your hard work.
Ray I admire the patience you have I would be cussing and throwing tools everywhere and and go take me a break and go back at it and not let that ford whip me either !!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another great job Ray. Your dedication to your customers, along with your work ethic have most of you viewers, including myself, wishing we lived in Florida, so that we could come to you with our car issues. Keep up the great work, love the videos.
Good grief Ray... this was nuts... how BBK has not fixed all these issues is unbelievable. I did bbk equal length shorties on my back in my garage without power tools alone. I was just a dumb girl, with no idea what I was getting into, who never should have tried this. All this on a daily driver on a weekend. Mine however was on a 2003 4.6l gt. I still don't know how I did it, but I did not have any of the same issues you did. Maybe due to it being a manual &/or having different heads. The bolt holes being off were my issue & summit selling the wrong gaskets.... probably the different heads. I know the edge generation had 2 head possibilities. I had to open all the header bolt holes. I checked the forums & they said lift engine off motor mounts versus doing it via dropping the suspension, so that saved alot of drama. God bless you sir. This was a beast of a job... I will tell you when it leaked due to the wrong gaskets... I took it to a shop. He was a mustang shop & familiar with the hazards & charged accordingly.... however.... he still said he never had installed the equal length shorties. He said after that mess... he would never ever install those headers on another mustang. He was the one who said I had done everything perfect, including fixing the header holes, but summit sold us the gasket set for the other heads. He told me he had no clue how I did what I did in a garage with no lift... lol....
I agree, install the part of the exhaust that bolts to the headers BEFORE you install the subframe. It is easier now than later.
this video shows you are truely a master
What a lot of work just to replace manifolds! Incredible!
Again , all I can say is AMAZING !!! You are a A1 Mechanic and Person !!!!
my engine/paint & body mentor once told me, as i ordered headers for my 70 Lemans, "i never met a Aftermarket header that didn't need adjustments to fit." i think there was something we had to adjust but compared to that Ford, i had slightly more room.
I put a set of headers on a Vega in 1976 that bolted on and once you stop laughing about the Vega comment just realized it did work
LOL,THATS LIKE COMPARING THE GRAND CANYON TO A POT HOLE. WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THE LeMans ANY DAY.
Good job ray.. My heart kept dropping over n over for ya in the first video.. But I love your lack of attitude change as it esceleted over n over.. Much love from Australia.. Your an inspiration to me.. Thankyou for being you ❤️
They told you you were the first person to put those headers in 25 years because the headers don't fit maybe if they designed them to fit more people might put them in. Ray has a lot of patience if that was me if I would have to go through that I wouldn't even try return for either a different set that will fit. THE HELL WITH IT
Charge that man appropriately, your time is valuable. Appreciate your finesse and diligence. Salute 🫡
Wow Ray! I think you’ve earned your ticket towards sainthood. Not one cuss word. You’re a better man than I would have been because the frustration would have blown my patience through the roof. 👍
Great work Ray BBK has an installation video on those headers on that engine lol.
If your not learning something new everyday, then your not learning anything....love it....
you're
Louis: Looking good, Billy Ray! Billy Ray: Feeling good, Louis!
That was not easy! Great job Ray, thanks for the video.
I spent an hour working on one bolt until I realized I needed a wobble extension. The kit I bought last year paid for itself in the next two minutes while I ran it down. Wobbly bits for the win !!!!
You're a professional auto repair shop and you don't have acetylene torches when you're working on the underside of a car heat is our friend you should invest in a small set of acetylene torches if you're going to continue to work as a professional mechanic
@@danacoyle1826 I’m not a professional mechanic. I’m a retiree who simply likes working with tools. And I very much appreciate Ray and his videos which help people like myself. Not everyone lives in a rust belt region and need acetylene torches all the time.
And if you think Florida is not part of the rust belt, think again. Vehicles do rust but not as fast as Northern regions.
It blows my mind he doesn't have an acetylene setup. Florida gets rust from the salty air via the ocean. That Mustang he's working on isn't even rusty, I've seen 3 year old vehicles with more surface rust.
@@COBRO98 he had one - it tried to blow him up so it landed in the scrap bin.
Heat applied to that EGR nut works wonders. I would install the exhaust piping before before the sub frame. Looks like a lot more access.
I agree, assume nothing!
I am constantly amazed by your patience, I would have lost my shit doing that job. Well done Ray 🎉
I'd love to see Ray's reaction to the second guy that wants him to do this job. Also hate to see this mustang come back for a blown gasket.
I certainly hope that you are being very well compensated for this job.
Leaking cardboard BBK gaskets supplied and loose header bolts maybe 100 miles! Heat radiation is generally inversely proportional to distance squared. Unshielded starter will most likely be prematurely cooked!
I would say 50% of my shop work was jobs like this mostly 4x4 trucks, installing lifts and engine modifications. ALL that work was T&M only. As for exhaust I had a friend who owned an exhaust shop who did 90% of this type of work.
This was a learning experience I'm sure, we all get those jobs that just don't co-operate! You'll remember when the next customer comes in either you'll let them know it's based on T&M or we don't do that kind of work.
I had other shop owners tell me we only do the gravy jobs, there's more money to be made sticking to that routine. When things are slow jobs like this keep the lights on.
Good video brings back memories especially the trans oil in the face!
Keep wrenchin' Ray as long as you love it! ✌😎🤟
Finally youtube is starting to recommend you again😂😂
I didn’t do the work but what a frustrating experience just watching you work. Like the other fellow said, “I hope the customer understands and realizes the work that went into it and rewards you well.”
I would not have done all of that work and used paper gaskets. Those headers will blow those out so fast.
Yup 😂
you sir have the patience of a saint
My cousin bought the same headers for his mustang. He looked it over for a week, said he didn't think he had what was needed. Took it to the custom exhaust shop near him and they laid out parts, tossed the gaskets and got mlm gaskets of steel and copper. Then he said they yanked the engine and transmission. He would visit every day after work out of curiosity and was blown away at how much trouble the specialist exhaust people had doing the job. Don't know what it cost him, it was pre plandemic and all that. Plus he's pretty well off. It does sound great though, gotta say thar much. He's got a new mustang every few years, keeping his old ones. Got a nice and big brick and steel storage building for all his toys. He's in the process of building a Boss 429 clone with an entire custom casting of the 529 block and it makes me wish he'd sell me his 2000 excursion lol
It's amazing you got this video out so quickly after such an ordeal.
Nationwide Rainman Ray is the only mechanic who will install shorty headers on your 4.6 Mustang. You’ll have to pay dearly but if you want it done right he’s your guy!
Mustang Sally, they all galloping to his yard now.
Lol. Easily worth all of the money and wait time for that beefy up to 20 horsepower gain.
Ray has already Run the PT Cruiser Folks away as he should have as these cars are Dreaded by All Mechanics...
I don't think he'll ever do another one. I sure wouldn't.
@@edwardzellner6869 next time he knows how much to charge, no diagnostic needed, just contortionist
I would have spat the dummy about 10 times on that job . Your patience is amazing Ray.
I'm glad you didn't lubricate your peepers.
Remove subframe or remove engine to install these is probably a toss up, issues either way and close to the same amount of time involved. It does look like you've got more room to connect the exhaust to these new headers with the subframe removed though.. if you take advantage of that.
Great series of videos. Thank you for sharing.
Not on a Ford 4.6 but I've installed a few pairs of headers where I've resorted to pulling the engine from up top
What an absolute pain in the posterior
A pain in the ass too😂😂😂
If Ray was an astronaut, he would have a pain in Uranus.
You do you Ray! Everyone has their preferences on products that work for them. If it works, it works.
You are the man Ray!
Ray's mechanical skill and problem solving prowess is amazing! Definitely in a class by himself.
The song @31:45 was epic! Lol
"Terrible cameraman", but great editor. Keep it up Ray
My brother has BBK long tubes on a 99 GT/5speed car. They are absolutely a royal pain especially for starter and clutch replacements! After watching, I'm glad he went long tube!!!
After going through all the headache in part1, the car gods should be smiling on you! They are probably ROFL !!
Always found a good quenching with PB Blaster after heating provides thermal shock enough to get some movement. From there it's back and forth wrenching with additional lube.
Good morning and good day to you Ray. Again. I am amazed at your patience and talents. I just hope that your guy appreciates your efforts. I feel for you with this job that I won’t even mention the D sighting. LOL! Keep up the good work and know that we all appreciate the tips. Click!
This was very well done Ray, risky but good.
Someone need’s to Buy this Man an Induction Heater tool kit
I've done a few of these , however we had the engines out . That makes the header install super easy. Your a trooper powering it out with the engine in . Great job Ray.
Might have added 5 HP. If the car had other big mods it might be worth it.
Ray you have the patience of a Saint.
Definitely not the sort of job to be done on the driveway at the weekend !
Those manifolds have obviously never been tried on by the manufacturer before.
Well bugger me, Ray, what a phenomenal amont effort to fit that set of headers. Mÿ "gosh, you will be the designated expert on fitting these headers. Awesome job brother!❤❤❤❤
Well Ray, I have often told myself "one more bad decision today and I will own the whole set !!!😊
Dave!!!! Another sighting. Yay
I'm waiting for an alien sighting. The X-Files music is the give away.
You are probably the only mechanic in the country that could do that job!!!! WOW Good Job!
Most patient mechanic on earth 🌍
Wow, what a PITA.... remarkable dedication to get it done.... cheers!
Slightly surprised you didn't just grind/shape that flange to leave a little rigidity to it.
Yes I thought the same🤔🤔
You are the man !!! All this work on someone else's car..I understand being paid...but dude ...wow
extreme patience ray..you have it in spades!
Ray - Your work ethic is outstandng!
Absolute, great determination, Ray I applaud you
I did a set of long tubes on my 4.6 car and I just pulled the motor out the top put it on a stand put the headers on and dropped the motor back in.
A handful of studs snapped off into the head so it was very easy with the motor out to drill out and re-tap and whatnot.
Edit: Jesus Christ I’m just now seeing how much work you had to do that’s crazy, I didn’t have to modify a thing for my pacesetter headers.
Applause for your tenacity.
Never again!!! 🤯 There is plenty of room in the old Mustang good times 60's & 70's good job Ray
Ray. I’m old and used to work on my cars when I was in my 20s. Out of financial need but I enjoyed it. Loved 70s firebirds. Cars got more complex and I got a little better job and working on cars lost its fun factor.
Watching you has restored a lot of the fun factor in learning if not working on car repairs.
Also since I’m not doing the work when you hit a snag I kinda chuckle have had so many frustrating road blocks. On my old T/As
Ray, you are very resourceful, things like this in the end gain you a larger customer base and more money overall.
I owned a construction business for 45 years and it all ended far better than I ever dreamed it would.
Just keep it going and you’ll see.
more Mustangs going there for same soon.
This is why most people did the EGR delete during the install but that's bad mmmmkay. I do salute you for doing this job, it's a major pain with the 4.6's
You nailed it bud..This has to be one of the most involved ( better known as P.I.T.A)jobs I've ever seen for headers..Most of the time they can be a pain to install..but..This one takes the cake....
Does look like a ridiculous amount of work
In our shop we took out the engine on the cradle with the trans in place all out the bottom about an hour job install the pipes and reinstall
your patience is so impressive, my goodness Ray
Great job for a difficult installation.👍😎
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