Rollout wheel build.
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- How to build a mechanical weld positioner or (rollout wheel) Great weekend project, and something you will have for a long time.
Get to see a lot of mill work being done, and watch out for arc flashes. If your new to the channel
Awesome job and thanks for sharing. We all grow buy sharing ideas 💡
Nice build!You are one smart guy.
you have the most fantastic shop...wanna adopt a 68 year old son...please...thanks for the great video...Paul in Florida
Best video of building one of these
Another great , how too video
Right on! 😁 Having a good variety...and the right tools sure makes a difference. Happy welding!
Highly Skilled Very nice💯💯👊🏼👊🏼
That was a great build and it gave me an overall better understanding how to make one thaks for sharing. Im excited to make one now.
Steve Cortes awesome man. Let me know how it goes.
wonderful video...cheers
I really liked this video. Keep inspiring people
made mine with a 90's chevy 2500 hub. knocked out the studs, pressed it apart and faced it off. Drilled the flange for the chuck at put it back together, the wheel speed sensor hole worked great for a grease zerk. Might have to add a ring gear, that part is super nice, and like how you did the hinge
Great video, enjoyed it, plan to build one myself, thanks
That shaper makes me laugh. That's a bad ass tool
Thumbs up, nice tool if you are doing a lot of circular welding.
This ones a keeper. Been thinkin about doin this since I started watchin jacob scholfield. I got more ideas now. Thanks
JD Custom That is exactly where it came from.
Nice, your an awesome machinist, definitely have some talent. Keep posting and sharing, I am learning a lot.
That is a cool build. I like how it tips 90 degrees and is adjustable for horizontal. My son bought a 6" chuck direct from Shars. He cut out the backing plate on the CNC plasma table from 1/4" plate, welded it to 1 or 1.25" ground shaft and mounted the shaft in pillow blocks. That would make it a lot lighter and cost less than using a hub. I don't know that weight is an advantage in that build. We mounted his chuck on the CNC plasma cutter so we can CNC cut holes, slots, and notches in pipe. It will turn and cut 6" sch 40 pipe.
Nice job I used to weld up idle wheels for ditching machines and trenchers with a couple pieces of Acme thread you can set up your mig head to weld it automatically in the horizontal strike your arc turn on the machine and it will make a constant weld to you get to the end one constant bead
With a D C drive you can be variable speed makes turning it to size a lot easier due to constant weld thickness.
Your doing good work.
Now that is some pretty cool old equipment you got there just goes to show it dont need to be new to do some fine work
always good stuff !
Some backing plates are made to be machined to size once installed to minimise runout. One could be generous and say thats what they were up to with that oversize backing plate. You could use a tow bar hitch type mount under your bench to hold that rollout wheel in position, I mount some of my vices that way so they are easily moved about.
Great build ! Thank you for sharing.
Neat project, I enjoyed the video. FYI the backplate on the chuck is supposed to be oversize. You mount it on your lathe and machine the spigot to fit the chuck. That way it is concentric to your specific lathe's spindle.
kglesq1 I got ya. I didn't know that. Thanks man.
Nice shop!
This is an awesome build, I am going to copy this for my shop thanks a lot for this great video!
I really enjoy the channel thanks for posting. This looks like it was a pretty fun project to work on. Always enjoy seeing the old machinery you have doing what they were built to do.
fcarp1685 Thanks man. Hopefully will have more to come.
Great idea, great vid. Thanks for sharing your skill. From Missouri
Theres truly nothing like stick welding i like it the most out of all the processes
Yeeeah!! Another cool project. I saw on eBay a LESSON BRAVO Series 1/8HP 12-volt DC MOTOR w/ LESSON HydroMec Speed Reducer 19:1, thought it would be a cool hookup for a weld positioner like this, and you could run it off the battery on your SA 200.
I like how this turned out.
Speaking of builds that work out well, not too many years ago I was doing maintenance on a fleet of live haul semi trailers that haul chickens. The trailers had a crank at the back to roll the tarp up which was on a square shaft with a small universal joint at the back where the handle attached. The handle was one piece of square shaft inside another square shaft and almost daily the inside part would come out on the highway so there'd be no way to roll the tarp, and that can result in more dead chickens. To change it I had to heat the U joint and pound it off which sometimes would heat the birds up to the point of some of them dying.
I cut the outside tube one foot below the U joint and built an insert so three 5/16" bolts held the two parts together. The result was that instead of taking an hour to make the tarp work one 5/16" bolt took care of the remove and replace and from one hour to 15 minutes with no heat stress for the critters.
Once again a well done video of a well done build.
Great work sir.
Very coo shop sir. Rock on!
That shaper thing is something else
Good videos budd
Awesome video,,great project very inspiring to see someone's idea come to life!
Now all you need is a wiper motor to turn the thing. Nice job.
Good work. We posted this video on our homemade tools forum this week :)
Great job buddy! Another top notch video in my book!
Great video. One thing you definitely need to do is put a few burn boxes on your welding table so ya don’t have to be messing around bending over your mig wire all the time picking off whiskers later or looking for pliers to trim it and then your wire is always hot when starting.
Why is there always so much stick out EVERY time? (and using the gun as a hammer)
Great job, but instead of a hub spindle bearing I would use a press on hub bearing so that it would not warp on the welding. Great idea i like. Thanks
How about a variable speed electric motor running on the ring gear with a foot pedal for hands free welding. Great job!
You do realize that your welding circuit will be grounded thru the balls bearings, inter and outer races in the wheel hub.
Pre war belt drive drill press is super bitchen
Love it. That’ll make it easy.
Think about using a brake rotor and calipers. The spindle welded to the face of the rotor. Foot pedal to loosen brake to position head
What would happen if the stub axle was removed and cut down and threaded for the back plate? Seems to me it would save several inches of overhang on a very heavy unit. It would also eliminate weldments that are prone to warpage. The wheel hub would become the mount for the assembly.....
I see a variable speed motor hooked to that some day
You have a bunch of loose threads hanging off your belt on your drill press /your belt will last you a lot longer if you cut them threads off and put a little bit of glue to keep more from peeling
I think the chuck backplates are sold over sized on purpose so the backing plate can be machined on the actual lathe spindle it will be running on to size, supposedly this process eliminates the chuck runout or reduces it.
Here is an idea for the stage you had to to fight with the warping by tacks: you could have made a sticking short bolt at the end of the part instead of flat round surface to weld to another flat surface. the you could drill and tap in the center of that plate a matching threaded hole, than by screw the part and tight it inside it will grip so hard that it want warp when tacking and you do not need to use the indicator at all.
Great Job!! I Looks like you have a Thermal Dynamics Plazma cutter if that's what it is how do you like it?? I have a thermal arc mig welder and im not to crazy about it. I have had an issue when you start mig welding it plows a flame and does not burn the wire properly. It happens maybe 5% of the time. I just used miller for yrs before that and i have never seen that before. I used a thermal arc before i bought this one and it did the same thing. again nice work on the build...
What about pushing the lug but studs out of the hub and just machining the backing plate that came with the chuck to go over the barring and then bolt it together. It would shorten it up a lot
Maybe you could've drilled a hole in the center of your base plate to hold the bolt true. Thank you for sharing...
Mighty fine!
So what prevents the hub bearings from welding themselves to the races while you turn the hand wheel? It seems to me that grounding the work through the bearings would cause problems with them. Maybe that's why you chose the trailer hub for the rotating assembly - the bearings and races are cheap to replace and you can find them almost anywhere.
Great video! But it sounds like your shaper has rocks in the hubcaps. Lol
Tom Clark hahaha this is true. It was low on oil, and the pump was catching air.
Where was he ground? They will not last long welding through the bearings!
I have a lead reel that grounds though the bearings, and it still works. I think as long as you keep everything tight, and clean it won't kill the bearings.
Wonder if you could use some hard facing or high nickel rod to make it last longer?
I know very, very little about welding, so please correct me if I am wrong. On the threaded piece you turned and welded on, would it have helped with warping if you had pre-heated the threaded piece and the square plate it was welded to?
GodzillaB210 Good question. The metal was just a little to thin. Bigger metal wouldn't have distorted as much.
I think an old steering wheel from a tractor would work in place of the ring gear. I replaced the steering wheel on my Ford tractor because it was old and cracked in many places due to always being in the weather. I hit the old one with a hammer and all the material on the outside fell off, leaving the steel core. I suppose a wheel from an old garden tractor would work just as well. The plastic on the outside probably would not even have to be removed.if the wheel was in decent shape.
Sounds like ball bearings running round in the gearbox of the shaper
aren't mounting plates and chucks supposed to be different in size so you can fit it and dial it in to your lathe ? thats how i understand it as that mounting plate would have different runout any any lathe you screw it to till you true it up on your own individual machine
That is correct.
Most of the new style lathes have like cam style lock pins and there really isn't a lot of adjustment on them to true up three jaw chucks are not the most accurate and reliable for dead nuts zero for that a four jaw is the ticket
I didn't see how you ran the ground. Or did you just hook the ground to the material so it doe not travel through the bearings
THE IRONWORKER yep ground is through the bearings. All the designs I've seen have been that way. It is low speed, and I have lead reels that are made the same way. I'll let you know if it arcs out with more testing.
Terry Hillman you wouldn’t be available to roll out your weld with the brake on. Just saying
Why didn't you thread axle shaft and screw hub on that way?
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For an even cheaper version a simple face plate drilled for holding clamps could replace or be switched between the chuck and it. The face plate only needs to be a piece of flat stock drilled and slotted etc. Very nice project. Can you ground it without running the current through the bearing? Take care. Doug
Douglas Thompson That would work very well. Might have to build some other attachments for it. I thought about that too, but all the rollout wheels I've seen ground through the bearings. And my lead reels do the same, so I think it will be fine. I'll let you know if I have any problems. Thanks for the comment.
If you're worried about grounding through the bearings, you can use a brush from a large engine starter mounted to noun against the backplate. Or make a simple rotating flag type ground. Very few up here bother with chucks. Almost all rollout wheels are simple slotted plates that look like a lathe faceplate flame cut from 3/8" or 1/2" plate. If you use a trailer hub, replacement bearings are roughly 20$/set.
I love your videos and you're always so precise. Thank you...but i was surprised when you took your cuts with your cross feed. That changes one side of your thread. You'll HAVE a loose thread if you do this. Always leave that feed tied down and locked. Do all your cuts with the main feed. Make a soap-stone mark, at your feed thousandths, so when you crank it out twice you can run it back in twice to that mark, and then dial in your next cut. Then wipe the mark off and mark it again. Hey...just one old machinist to another. Love your vids.
Lee Williams Thanks Mr. Lee. Sorry if it looked like I was dialing in the cut with the cross feed I was cutting with the compound 29-1/2 degree angle. I was running the cross slide back to 0 to make the next pass that way I wouldn't hit the thread when I put the lathe in reverse. Sorry if that looked confusing. Thanks for the comment.
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handy tool that spinner nice job not pretty but very functional.
Could you tell us what you use for lube when your drilling and lathe work please
All you need now is a drive motor for fully automatic.
Was there a reason that you did not put a sight countersink say .025 to the base plate before tack welding? I am sure the time taken to centre the piece with the dial indicator and then have it come off centre due the tack would have been remedied by a slight countersink. Good job and the ring gear already for a drive gear. Could you exlain your ground point is it work /chuck side of the bearing or have you insulated the bearing from electrical conductivity?
CCC Detective I thought about doing something like that, but sense the plate was bolted to the hub and could be moved around I didn't think it necessary, but that definitely would have helped the fitting process. The ground is through the bearings we will see in time if it hurts them.
Don't you like it when a plan comes together?
Ken Budd oh yes even if you didn't have a plan lol.
you know that shaper will do over .250 cuts...those things are serious machines
Eddie Reichel Oh yeah love my shaper. With the right cutter and feed you can cut .850" to 1" in a pass. Steve Summers (here on CZcams) got his 24" heavy shaper to cut almost .900" Check out his channel got some really good stuff.
I have run some manual and cnc mills and lathes at my tech school. I took industrial machine repair. I never seen a shaper in person or even heard of one till I was watching one of your videos. You kinda remind me except your on a much larger scale. I do try to fix anything and everything. I just started collecting tools a few years back. Im hoping to open my own auto shop in next couple months. I hate working for the man.
I had my own business for 20 years. It has its advantages, but "the man" makes sure the utilities are paid, pays the insurance, makes sure there is money for payroll, hunts up jobs, and does a lot of other stuff that you will find out when that is your job besides working on automobiles.
We don’t use them in 798 the contractors furnitures everything and not roll out wheels
why don't use a dc motor? Can apply it to TIG too.
Dude that's awesome.. were are u from
CoreyBama Machinist thanks. Mississippi.
why not make the hub stationary and thread the spindle stub for your backing plate?
lazyhranch That's a good idea. The hub spindle was the wrong size (1-1/16") needed 1-1/2". That would have worked on a bigger axle. Good question.
thread a bushing and press fit to the spindle. the closer you can keep the chuck to the pivot the better. i use mine welding some heavy stuff.
rollout wheel is a very handy piece of equipment sure makes life easier.
thanks for the videos
Still concerned about grounding through the bearings. Any thoughts?
JD Custom I'll just have to see how it does, but other designs work the same way. I've got a lead reel that works the same way been 2-1/2 years with heavy use and they still work pretty well.
Why didn't you weld it and then cut the thread?
Miv 1809 That would have been smart lol. Didn't think to do that.
What was the diameter of that ring gear -- 16"?
I’d say that’s about right. It came out of a 1066 IH tractor.
@@EEJester1586 -- Thank you for the reply. In the process of building a rollout myself and I was just trying to determine a ring size. I had cut a ring from a 12" piece of pipe that was .250 wall but it seemed a little small I thought.
Really you wasted all your time doing that you could’ve bought a new hub and had a life .....????