RWBY: Qrow's Semblance Did Not Influence Clovers Death - Luck Semblances Explained
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- Qrow's semblance of Misfortune can cause many bad things to happen around him but the act that caused Clover's death was not influenced by Qrow's semblance, nor would having Good Fortune active have prevented Clover from dying. Luck semblances affect the probability of random chance associated with the outcomes of actions taken around or by the Semblance user and the actions Tyrian took didn't have much potential for a random outcome when he killed Clover. That's my thinking anyways and I would love to hear yours in the comments below!
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The poor guy can't catch a break. I'm really hoping he can find a way to find forgiveness in himself the next volume, the group needs his guidance to get through this.
SaltedFrenchFry we’ll clover certainly caught something... right in the torso...
Can I just say that this man’s shirts are always on point
I cried when Clover died. Not just because of what happened but because I felt so bad for Qrow.
I think we saw clover in a hospital bed with medical equipment attached.
@@anondabomb nope, we saw him dead and covered by a blanket up to his neck...
going to put my money on in the next season we are going to see a scene where Robin comforts qrow and convinces him that it wasn't his fault.
also I'd like to think that Qrow's semblance along with Clovers is just simply fortune and it is their outlook of themselves that causes the luck to be good or bad
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Glad there are others who think along the same lines as me. I made this video to explain how luck semblances work and am doing a follow up Semblance Evolved video on Qrow this week with this exact idea 😂
I like the idea! Would be interesting to see if Qrow can change his state of mind, that it may influence the effect of his semblance as well.
I believe that as well due to “same semblances” existing. This is due to even with as creative as semblances are(/can be) we know there’s theoretically going to be ones with similar-same abilities.
Our first example is Juane/Coco who both have aura amplification semblances, one needing a person the other simply having godly object enhancing skills. It could be possibly for them to both enhance a person’s body to insane durability and strength through skin, muscle and bone augmentation through different means (coco enhancing their physical body, and Juane juicing them so much their body just has to put all that aura somewhere).
Example 2 would be Blake’s relationships… I’m not joking, her type “punk badass with a counter-semblance”. Through different means, both Yang and Adam can both unleash devastating strength through absorbing damage.
3 is a line from Harriet being her referencing other speed quirks before. The implications of this line implies not just 1 or 2 but enough to know that Ruby’s isn’t just “speed”.
And of course the ace-ops show 2 limb enhancing semblances with roots and vines respectively. This gets even more common if we consider Sun and Blake have their own aura projections with Sun’s and Blake’s being more solid and Blake’s being a solid illusionary type. This gets even weirder when you consider that Sun’s and Blake’s specifically share similarities with the Schnee family’s SUMMONS
If that were the case then it would be very poetic but, in my opinion, it wouldn't make much sense. Whatever action you are taking there is a good outcome, as in beneficial for you or for someone you care about, and a bad outcome, as in the opposite of what i said. From what we've seen it seems that Qrow's semblance acts in the way that it bends the odds in favor of a bad outcome, sometimes for him, sometimes for his enemies. So that would line up with your point in the way that when bad things happen to his enemies someone would consider that to be good fortune, but he still chooses to refer to it as misfortune. That isn't the case for Clover though, in the sense that from what we've seen he only brings good fortune to himself and his allies. There wasn't an instance where Clover brought good luck to an enemy, and no, disarming Qrow and his weapon being picked up by Tyrian was not good fortune for Tyrian because wheter or not he had Qrow's weapon the result wouldn't have changed, he would have still killed Clover with his stinger or one of his own weapons. That is why I say that Clover's semblance is definitely good fortune, and as we've seen it only affects him. During the poker match between Qrow and Clover, Clover won 5 hands in a row if I recall correctly, so that means that his semblance never had an effect on Qrow, but only on himself.
On that note now I'm thinking about the fact that Qrow's bad luck never actually targeted him. It was only ever targeted to someone other than him, wheter it was Tyrion, Ruby, Clover, even Winter Schnee when they fought and then general Ironwood came, that was bad luck for Winter.
So my personal conclusions after thing monologue are that:
Qrow's semblance brings bad luck to random people around him, but never directly to himself.
Instead Clover's semblance brings good fortune to him and to him only.
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The way I see it their semblances clashed so both of them played a result on Clover's death. It was good fortune for Clover to disarm Crow; while unfortunate at the same time as Crow's weapon landed in range of Tyrian for a sneak attack.
That was the way I interrupted that scene in the fight to
“Luck can only take you so far.”
-The Director, RvB
and Ozpin
“My Semblance brings misfortune. Sometimes, I can’t keep it under control.”
THANK YOU!
I am so tired of Qrow getting picked as the bad guy responsible for Clover’s death. TBH, I think Clover died the moment he flung his horseshoe at Qrow during their fight after the crash.
He died the moment Qrow charged at him with freaking Tyrian. Him and Clover were both stupid, but Qrow caught strain 3 of the stupid.
The entire fight was a class act of idiotball hucking.
@@sapphirex6156 Qrow had strain 3 because guess what Tyrian did.... Talked him down into getting rid of the dead weight so they can handle their business. Qrow SHOULD have done the same with Clover. Establishing a very temporary alliance to RESTRAIN THE KILLER.
@@UnifiedEntity he tried. And Colver most literally stopped him before he could even swing his blade at Tyrain. Plus Clover NOT ONCE went to attack Tyrain straight up. If he was fighting Tyrain it was because he was in the way between him and Qrow. Clover literally set up his own death by being an idiot.
@@kyngtruccie8817 As I said, Qrow didn't even ATTEMPT to establish a truce with Clover. He didn't make himself the reasonable one, he just gets played like a pawn by Tyrian, the fuckin psychopath. He's a fool.
Whenever the two were in the same place, i took for granted their semblances canceled each other out - Clover himself said so in the mine. Clover's death was all on Tyrian amd his actually very pragmatic plan.
Yeah, but at that point Clovers aura was broken so his semblence wasn't active
@@Some.username.idk.0 that may very well be the case - anyway, we'll have to deal with brooding gloomy Qrow for at least another volume, maybe alongside his estranged friend, Mr. Alcohol.
@@edoardoprevelato6577 well atleast there is Robin alongside him
@@Some.username.idk.0 maybe sad sex instead of getting batshit drunk?
@@Some.username.idk.0 Well, if his good luck semblance is passive as Qrow's it should still work even without aura
Like others pointed, in his battle against Tyrian Qrow's semblance still worked even after his aura broke
I never thought Qrows semblance dud Clover in.Tyrion is a serial killer. Clover and Qrow were his obstacles. He merely set everything up to kill two bird's with one stone.
Phase 1: Convince Qrow to team up with him.
Phase2: Defeat Clover
Phase3: Kill Clover with Qrows weapon to frame Qrow and get away
If I was Tyrion I would have tooken this opportunity as well. Shows how Tyrion can manipulate the situation to his favour.
His lucky day I guess.
how unlucky of Clover that his aura broke by Qrow's punch, but, oh, what an opportunity for Tyrian to use Qrow's disregarded weapon, it was easier than just use his semblance to bypass Clover's aura.
Qrow choose to not take his weapon in order to surprise-punch Clover, but, ultimately, Tyrian is a good tactictian and opportunist in not-clear, full of emotions, unfair fights.
but let's face it, even if Clover's aura didn't break, Tyrian would use again his semblance (he tried once already in the fight) to kill Clover in order to blame Qrow and make more chaos among enemies of Salem, because those are his desires - to create chaos and serve his goddess.
What is Tyrians semblance
@@petergeramin7195 Tyrian's semblance is, well, literally passing through protective aura of the opponent and directly hitting them - during massacre at the party, he hit Fiona, and he tried to hit Clover. You can actually see his semblance activated, as his hands and eyes turn purple (the hands part were added in this volume, I think, I only saw eyes at the end of Tyrian vs RNJR+Q fight, when he hit Qrow with his tail.)
Makes me wonder: does Qrow use his semblance when playing video game with his nieces? He says he have issue keeping it under control, that dirty cheater :p
(and love your t-shirt)
Man... can you imagine mario party against Qrow?
This explains why he always wins!Playing Mario kart would suck, every item you get is a coin and every green shell is headed right for you
Thanks! I have too many anime shirts lol
Phoenix/Night but since he has bad luck shouldn’t he lose instead?
@@ninjaked1265 I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure his semblance affects those around him and not him in particular
@@madhouse2594 I think it's more like it effects everyone but it effects him slightly less.
I feel like this argument shouldn't really happen because of something people fail to realize. Passive semblances somehow still work without active aura, like for example when qrow has his aura broken in volume 4 when fighting tyrian and still causes the beam to fall on ruby.
Exactly.
“Do semblances still work when one’s aura is broken?” has always been kind of unclear, but your comment makes sense- that people who have to consciously make the effort of activating their semblance can’t do so if they don’t have aura, but that passive semblances still work. It makes sense and it works with what we’ve seen in the show. Maybe the semblance can’t be controlled (at all) or it gets weaker, but it’s still there
I get a feeling that CRWBY don't like fact checking with previous volumes before writing the show, tbh.
@@Not_Ciel I feel like it's more that they did a bad job explaining aura in the beginning and now while trying to make up for that they just confused things even more
books But he had said before that it was likely to fall on Ruby even without his semblence. Same with tyrian falling through the beam. It was already likely to break, Qrow’s semblence simply influenced it enough to insure it broke.
Good Luck: Clover disarmed Qrow. Bad Luck: The sword landed near Tyrian.
Small correction, the bartender didn’t drop the glass, he knocked a glass he’d set down off the counter.
While Clover being stabbed doesn't directly result from Qrow's misfortune, you could consider Clover being in that position and turning his back in the first place to be a part of Qrow's semblance, or that Qrow's sword ended up near Tyrian after he was disarmed, that Qrow was even disarmed in the first place, in fact almost any hit in that fight could have been influenced by either one's semblance, leading to the outcome we got in smaller ways.
don't forget about the misfortune of hitting a vital organ.
I know that Tyrian is a skilled assassin/killer and certainly knows where to stab someone to kill them, think about how unlucky it was for Qrow/Clover that Tyrian's hand didn't slip and miss an organ or artery, or that the bleeding was that fast, or that support was too far away Etc...
luck is a fickle thing, almost everything can be explained by it.
A pre-existing lack of situational awareness made Clover's death possible. It was arguably foreshadowed in episode 3. So reliant on his semblance of good fortune, Clover didn't and likely never really had to worry about situational awareness being a thing. And its clearly demonstrated that the Ace Ops are tunnel-visioned on their orders and nothing else.
Qrow is not responsible directly. Yes, this was a battle between them but it was Ironwood's orders that sparked the initial confrontation. The situation then devolved into something less and less favorable for his position, so Qrow was forced into taking more drastic measures to achieve his outcome. It became equally apparent that Clover was not interested in discussing things unless Qrow was in irons due to said orders. So when Qrow declared that James would take the fall for Clover's death, its rightfully placed since that was the ignition point.
I also think that Luck semblances are based on perception. Qrow is negative, critical and cynical - therefore bad luck. Clover was optimistic, upbeat and positive - therefore good luck.
yep. probability manipulation is a hell of a thing. but the less you leave to chance, the weaker it becomes.
Qrow isn't to blame because of his semblance. He's to blame because he teamed up with Tyrian and left his weapon unattended.
And Clover kept attacking Qrow while he was trying to fight so is it his fault too
He did nothing to help Tyrian at the fight
@@ryomyoo2196 Bro he teamed up with Tyrian to fight Clover. It was just a dumb decision writing-wise, I just can't comprehend why they decided it would be a good idea that someone like Qrow, and specially him could team up with the same maniac who almost killed him and tried to kidnap her niece to attack his suposed friend, even if you argue that Clover had orders to arrest him, that doesn't justify him any way. It was a last minute idea to have Qrow loosing someone close to him, in order, I assume, to give him more development next volume. Still makes no goddamn sense.
The only way clover could have survived was: if tyrian had used a smaller blade and the luck of clover making tyrian miss a vital spot
But with that big of a blade stabbing his chest, there was no chance of it not being vital
What about when the plane crashed? Qrow just stumbled out and didnt do anything to Tyrian who was clearly unconscious by the drivers seat. As a professional huntsman he should have captured Tyrian when he had the chance.
Yes, i agree that Tyrian was the cause of Clovers death but i cant let it slide that Qrow just went out of the aircraft knowing very well that Tyrian, a psychopathic mass murderer was right beside him (the scene before they crashed). Did he just assume that tyrian was dead? If so why would he not check for pulse? Something, or tie him up at least.
Qrow, i love you. You have always been (he still is though) my favorite character ever since they introduced you to the series but i just dont understand that scene. Ive was screaming at my phone ever since that plane crashed. 😔
I know that seeing clover's death was hard on qrow, but the blood isn't just on tyrian's hands, but on ironwood's hands as well, why?, cause it was his orders that drove clover to his death.
Paul Jordan I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought about that. Also Robyn started the fight
Clover's goal was to subdue Qrow, not kill him, and vice versa. Tyrian was the only one trying to murder people.
Edoardo Prevelato in a way ironwood is in cinder’s situation where Neo attacked Cinder for indirectly killing Roman. Ironwood Indirectly killed clover by setting the chain of events that lead to Tyrian doing tyrian’s thing and ruining Qrow’s happiness for the 2nd time.
@@emeraldsky2823 the "setting up the chain of events" is a fallacy if the resulting events weren't intentional. It would be like saying WW2 was the english' and the french's fault before they fucked over Germany after WW1. It rehabilitates the motivations of the real criminals, in these cases, Tyrian (Salem) and Hitler.
Alright, everyone blaming Ironwood, I get your reasoning. Though Ironwood order to detain not kill, and Clover SIDED TO not allow Qrow to recapture Tryian and went ouf of his way to ensure Qrow and Tryian couldn't fight. He actively killed himself and removed the only fair chance he had of taking Tyrian down again and clearly over judged his abilities. Which I thought that whole thing was painful out of character. I understand subduing Qrow after the fight, but knock the MURDER HOBO CHARACTER OUT OF THE MATCH FIRST. Love clover until that moment, he had it coming second he stopped Qrow from attacking Tyrian. Clover killed himself. I am livid with the writers for making that his character choice it was not a well written death, I knew he was gonna die ((amount of death flags)) but killing him off with what was basically a self dagger in the back was just dumb and undermined the great character he was.
Thank. You. THANK. YOU.
I've been wondering about Qrow's 'brokenness' in regards to his semblance. *Can* he influence other people? *Is that* partially why Robyn didn't bother to Stop when she got up to fight? Did he have any effect on Clover's being at all? Is he able to effect people's decisions and physical state? I don't know. I want to know. Someone P lease tell me.
Clovers actions make sense considering his fable hes based on tbh. And we have never seen qrow influence anyone directly not even himself
I've longed believed the theory of probability informing how the luck semblances worked. That's what makes The alley fight AND the crash with Robin, Qrow, Clover, and Tyrian fight so crazy. Their semblances created increasing chaotic outcomes even in the fight between Qrow, Clover, and Tyrian. However, I do slightly disagree with your theory in that I think both of their semblance did have an affect in the WAY that Clover died.
Here are my major points:
1.) If we go with the theory that Clover's semblance works the same as Qrow, than Clover's semblance made sure that Qrow punch was lucky enough to break his.
2.) Qrow's semblance didn't make Tyrian kill Clover, but it did effect the outcome. It kept Tyrian, a lifelong and talent serial killer, from not instantly killing Clover.
3.) Qrow's semblance made Clover have bad luck by not allowing him to die instantly, bleeding out in the snow, and having to see his best friend cry because he wasn't paying attention.
4.) It denied Tyrian his proper fight by making sure the fight dragged on long enought that he Atlas military arrived.
Not blaming, Qrow he didn't kill him, but his ability just made everyone suffer a little more.
What if Clovers death has a bigger effect than what we’ve come to assume?
them eyelashes pretty
Facts
I'm glad you made this video because it's helped me gain a more firm view on how to visualise Qrow and Clover's abilities. My own ideas were a bit convoluted.
I could listen to you talk for eons, this channel deserves alot more subs!
Oh this video was a delight, thank you.
I'm writing a short fic of Qrow reflecting on the fight and its outcome and this is exactly the perspective I needed!
This actually is pretty good
Always here to watch one of your videos. 👍
Just a thought, would Qrow’s or Clover’s semblances be able to make it more likely to think of a good or bad or lucky or unlucky thought being thought then them doing that action. This video gave me this thought to bring up.
I can tell u took some time to research for this video!!! Great vid dude
In volume 4, Qrow says that his semblance affects his friends and enemies alike. Could it be the same for Clover's semblance ?
I don't think so. For what we've seen, Qrow semblance doesn't affect himself, and we can safely assume that Clover's affect only him. So I'd assume Qrow's affect others, Clover's only himself
@@SirZelean Qrow's semblance definitely affects himself, the show's been demonstrating this repeatedly since his introduction. While explaining to RNJR about the maidens and his semblance, a log falls from the fire he's stoking. In Mistral at the house he breaks the coffee table when he goes to put his feet up. While looking for Huntsman allies he get shit thrown at his head. At Brunswick farms he busts the tire of the flat that was supposed to be their way out of town. Hell, Maria even comments on this point to the group: "you're just beacons of back luck, aren't you?" As she's not aware of his semblance at that point. Hell, that comment even prompts Qrow to go back inside for another drink.
And that's not even going into the first Qrow vs Tyrian fight, where his luck was mega-shitting on both combatants.
@@SheenaMalfoy ok, thanks for that. I don't remember any of those moments! XD ahahah I guess a second RWBY marathon would do me some good now
@@SheenaMalfoy a bartender also drops a glass Qrow was drinking from while trying to clean it and says something like "oh darn" when it breaks.
Maybe his semblance isn't to blame but like... he should have known better than to team up with Tyrion to fight someone he didn't want to end up dying
Funny how everytime Qrow loses his sword, someone gets punched in the jaw.
I don't blame Qrow's semblance for Clover's death. I blame that he trusted a serial killer over his friend. What was he thinking teaming up with Tyrian?!
I highly appreciated your take on this ! I would even have given you an extra like if possible just for bringing up (adequatly) the Law of Large Numbers :)
I would say this: it is crucial here to make the distinction between SEMBLANCE and RESPONSIBILITY.
You showed very well (and I agree on this) how Qrow's semblance had nothing to do with Clover's death on itself (to be specific, the action of Tyrian stabbing Clover).
We could still argue that Qrow's badluck had an impact if we consider the whole chain of events, for example it enhanced the probability that Clover's shot hooked the only hole in his blade, blade that would eventually be used by Tyrian but that is not the point here.
What about Qrow's responsibility regarding Clover's death ?
In my opinion, Qrow has a BIG part of responsibility here. Because it is about CHOICES also. Qrow CHOSE to team up with Tyrian. As long as Tyrian was tied in the aircraft, Qrow was RIGHT to fight Clover because he would follow his orders no matter what. BUT as soon as Tyrian got free, the STAKES changed. If I recall, Tyrian was ALSO "wanted" before he got apprehended.
Why didn't Qrow try to convince Clover to team up against the biggest (and factually earliest) threat that is Tyrian, arrest him again and THEN get back to the "Qrow is wanted" part ?
Why didn't Clover try to convince Qrow in the same way ??
We can clearly see Clover keep on attacking Qrow even after Tyrian joined the fight and before he tries to convince Qrow to team up against Clover. THIS MAKES NO SENSE !!
It is in my opinion a big mistake. It devaluates BOTH Clover and Qrow's characters. Not mentionning that it highly devaluates the V7 finale as well.
Phoenix/Night You are my Favorite or second favorite Rwby youtuber
Thanks for your thoughts
Qrow had and effect on Clover dieing in that he didn't pick up his weapon and chose to punch Clover, getting stabbed by Tyrian's normal weapons wouldn't had be as fatal as a gaping hole in the chest.
Well maybe Clover shouldn't have disarmed him putting his weapon near Tyrian
@@claytongriffith8323 And Maybe Qrow shouldn't have teamed up with Tyrian
PoTato Head PokéMario Qrow didn’t, though.
He never responds to Tyrian’s request of alliance, and even though it’s a little tough to see due to how the camera is moving, in the next shot we can still see Qrow moving to attack Tyrian before getting attacked in the back by Clover.
The only time (to my memory, so I may be wrong) that Qrow attacks Clover without being forced to by Clover attacking him, is at the end of the fight, when Qrow believes that Tyrian’s already down for the count.
Tyrian was helping Qrow stay in the fight basically the whole time, but Qrow never directly tried to help Tyrian in return.
Clover basically killed himself by not allowing Qrow to focus on defeating Tyrian, and especially when he disarmed Qrow.
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The only thing that Qrow is responsible for in Clover's death was Tyrian's breakout, when Robyn's arrow or Clover's hook (I don't remember which it was) broke the thing Tyrian's handcuffs were tied. The rest is only Tyrian's will.
My thought was that Qrow's semblance could have negatively affected Clover's death by increasing the odds that his sword pierced vital organs, but the chances of that happening were already really high because of how good Tyrian is, and Clover probably would have died of blood loss before help arrived anyways.
I will say you are indeed correct in that his bad luck has nothing to do with Clover's death. However I am going to take a different reasoning for it. Because it's not just Bout how luck works. But the fact the luck they each get works differently.
Qrow's semblance is not directed at all by his will. It only seems to directly impact objects around him and has no influence on people. His is indiscriminate and thus only applies to nonsentient aspects of luck and rather merely causes it to happen. Like the fishing pole accidentally breaking the pipe freeing Tyrian. Clover however only applies his luck to himself. And this is through cause and effect.
When he takes an action. His odds of achieving his goal are heavily influenced in his favor. This is why everything he does usually works out. Like how Qrow got caught by him despite seeing it coming. But if he is unaware of what is coming. He can't influence it in his favor.
Brings about a bit of a causality loop.
I thank you for bringing this up. I hadn't considered that was how his semblance worked before.
I love your shirt it ties it's the theme of luck.
I didn't even catch that. Nice spot!
@@blueblade6174 I'm glad to point it out.
At first I kinda did until you explained it. I now have a better understanding of Qrow and Clover's abilities.
I agree with video.
The only reason I could see either symbalance playing a part is if qrow’s symbalance of misfortune caused clover’s aura to break when it shouldn’t have. Because qrow threw a punch and the outcome was it breaking clovers aura. It could be possible that he should have had some aura left but the punch did more than it should have.
But I don’t think this is the intended way to watch it because we don’t have a graph or number system for their aura while they are fighting. So I think qrow’s symbalance didn’t play a part in it, but I think he will still blame himself.
AWESOME VIDEO PHOENIX AS ALWAYS ALSO I FEEL ROBIN IS TOO BLAME TBH, BECAUSE SHES THE ONE THAT STARTED THE BRAWL EVEN THOUGH CLOVER DIDNT WANT TO FIGHT 🤪
I like your explanation, this is what surely happened. However that won't stop Qrow for blaming himself.
Sometimes I think if Clover had his aura and was just caught off-guard, somehow it would miss every vital organ.
I want Qrow-Robin relationship
Robyn*
also hell no, she's a jerk and annoying character, she did almost no good in this volume. Yeah sure, she cares for Mantle... so much that she steals supplies while running as an election candidate.. hilarious character
I’d prefer Qrow-Winter
Thats... smart. lol. Makes TOTAL sense!! Not that i thought the death was Qrow's fault, but this video overall let me finally understand that semblance.
13:00 reminds me of Alcatraz versus the evil librarians. The main character basically has the power of bad luck and it’s led him to have a terrible childhood, but soon he realizes he can control it and that he was just in denial. That letting his powers run rampant was easier than admitting that he could have prevented some of the misfortunes he’s faced. Anyway (getting off topic) why that reminds me of it is because in the book complicated weapons like guns are rarely (if ever) used against the Smedry’s (the main characters actual family, who all have unique and weird powers) because it leaves too much potential for mishap.
It’s a kids book, but it’s also a really good book. Written by Brandon Sanderson, who usually writes epic fantasy.
Sometimes the smallest probabilities lead to the greatest of disasters, as a sequence of continuous unlikely events are theoretically and technically possible (Saiki K explained as much). The fight in the air ship before it crashed only had one minor shift in fortune, but that small tweak in fate lead to Clover's demise. And so in a wierd way, Clover and Qrow can manipulate reality on a grand scale, but as with many abilities, anything of that scale is very difficult to pull off.
#Phoenix/Night Thank you for bringing a calm and logical discussion to this subject. IMO its been far to easy for people to place blame for this tragic event in the story. At the end of the day the semblances at play in this fight scene were only part of the equation. The characters all made choices that arguably determined the outcome. I for example would argue that Ironwood has some responsibility for Clover's death because of: 1. He let his fear drive him into ordering the arrest of his most powerful allies when he would need them the most. 2. Ironwood is also headmaster of Atlas academy which is run like a military school. Thats all fine and good but it seems clear to me that he does not train leaders there. Sure the AceOps and other grads are excellent fighters but in a military sense they operate more like the robots than real world soldiers do.
With all of that said Clover and the AceOps had the final choice to make on how/if to carry out Ironwood's orders. Sure, Ironwood should have trained them better and not put everyone is this type of situation and perhaps not made the decisions he did. But Clover, being in a leadership role himself, chose how he would act. Different probabilities would have been at play had he remained seated until the transport landed.
Honestly, it is supposed to be Qrow's fault, it is his semblance and his choices that lead to clover's death. The sword being covered in blood is a completely new trope we have never seen before. Neo's weapon is not stained with any blood when she takes over the atlas ship, Adam's sword was not covered with blood when he sliced off Yang's arm, and there was no blood stained weaponry present when Pyrrha is killed either. Blood is only present when the wielder's direct actions leads to the characters death (Blake's weapon killing Adam, Jaune's sword killing Penny, and Qrow's sword when Tyrian stabs Clover). It can be implied with the imagery that the blood is on Qrow's hands. Within the context of imagery and metaphors we can support this idea further. Qrow explains in volume 8 that he makes a "deal with the darkness" which implies that Tyrian is supposedly a manifestation of this darkness or chaos. Which makes sense, throughout the series Tyrian is shown to simply want destruction, chaos, and division, he supports Salem for that reason alone, they share a common goal. Not only does Tyrian show to symbolize chaos or represent an incarnation of darkness and chaos throughout the entirety of RWBY, but his interactions with everyone else also seem to show that he is chaotic and craves that destruction mentioned earlier. He is constantly picking fights and giving wisdom randomly to other people. He forces his viewpoints onto others with fear and even fights his own allies.
By making a deal with this "darkness", Qrow becomes responsible for the events that take place. His "misfortune" is a manifestation of his feelings towards the situation, in the moment that Clover died Qrow was actively trying to kill Clover. The blood in turn lies on his weapon and hands and not on Tyrian's hands.
Interpreting this in a thematic sense would allow you to interpret the scene within the context of philosophy and character's feelings rather than the literal actions of each character. If I had to describe the scene with one sentence I would write.
As Qrow begins to become more dissatisfied and begins to become overwhelmed with hate and disdain for the situation, he causes the death of Clover and immediately regrets his actions.
Tyrian's involvement is not as important as it may seem, the only reason it is Tyrian and not another character is because of what Tyrian represents in the story.
Could you go with he understanding that it was a unlucky/ lucky shot that freed tyrion in the previous episode? Thus setting off a chain of events culminating in this scene. Though my favourite fan theory is that they have the same semblance and it's their emotions and perspective that influence their semblances.
How about a video on what everyone could do with their semblances if powered up to the highest level by Jaune?
I read the title and literally cried. I didn't even think, that Qrow would have influenced this, but there are people who say something like this? just... just no.
I feel like Clover's death had more to do with his own semblance rather than Qrow's. The Fortune and Misfortune semblances are really confusing to think about, so I might not be correct. I think Clover's Fortune was affecting himself and Tyrian. Tyrian was pretty lucky to survive the crash and escape the ship almost unscathed. Clover was lucky to disarm Qrow, and Tyrian was lucky that the sword landed where it did. Tyrian was also lucky to escape so quickly after Clover tangled him with the fishing rod.
It seems like the Fortune semblance makes lone fights more difficult for Clover because his enemies always get an advantage. On the other hand, Qrow's semblance makes lone fights easier because enemies always have a disadvantage. To fight well with their semblances, Clover needs to fight with a team, and Qrow needs fight alone.
In reality, the semblances aren't the cause of Clover's death to begin with. Firstly, WHY didn't Ironwood send a proper prison transport to pick up Tyrian??? Ironwood used one for a group of children and a guy that threw a rock at a ship, but not for a SERIAL KILLER.. that works for SALEM? WHY? He sent a normal airship to transport the deadliest person in the city... Secondly, the situation that led to Clover's death was entirely Robyn's fault! Qrow would have been fine talking things over with Ironwood, but Robyn fired a shot that freed Tyrian and let him crash the airship! Finally, Clover died because he decided to continue attacking Qrow instead of teaming up with him to take Tyrian out first.
*TL;DR: Luck semblances are confusing and might not have changed anything. It is actually Ironwood and Robyn's fault.*
If Qrow(and Robin) can recover from this tragedy stronger than before I'm all for it.
The effect Qrow's semblance might have had on the whole scenario is probably him getting framed for it, from the dropping of his sword/scythe to the police finding it with David's blood. All the parts in between were more along the lines of Murphy's Law type of bad luck, especially considering that Qrow said in Volume 4 that his semblance was always on what he said in this volume that he can't always control it.
Domino from Deadpool 2 and that one Metahuman from Flash: both manipulate probability, or luck, around them
I would actually say Clover killed Clover so to speak. It's a tyrion vs crow vs clover fight,. But In order of their priorities. Crow wants to kill Tyrion, stop Clover from arresting him and Robyn, and escape. Clover wants to arrest Crow and Robyn, have them all survive, and kill Tyrion. Tyrion wants to kill them all and have fun doing it. The odds are stocked against Clover, but also against Crow and Robyn. Crow and Tyrion are at a balance, whichever side he fights agaisnt harder will likely lose, but at what cost? if he takes out crow, he knows he will likely get killed by Tyrion, and tyrion then kills both Crow and Robyn. if he takes out Tyrion, he will likely lose to Crow, and he believes in Ironwood's plan. its a zero sum game for Clover, and he is not a betting man. I believe clover stacks the odds in Crow's's favor. Because even more so than he believes in Ironwood, Clover believes in Crow. and he wants him to believed in the Clover that believes in Crow.
You have a point
Where did you get that cool shirt?
It doesn’t take bad luck to sneak up on some one and stab them in the back when your distracted
I’m personally just glad someone’s bringing it up
What do you think of a comparison of Clover to Domino from Deadpool 2?
I think the argument people are coming from on why the events in episode 12 played out the way they did, is that Qrow's semblance may also be interpreted as bringing about an unfortunate fate. This long term misfortune probably typically only applies to him. Maybe his getting poisoned by Tyrian in volume 4 was an example of this, and it seems he always seems to lose friends too. His "You don't know my friends" line before the fight makes it seem like he always seems to lose his friends, like that guy in volume 5 who's bar tab Qrow paid for, or more recently Clover. My point being, his semblance in the long term, causes him to lose friends in one way or another.
Qrow: I stack any fight in my favor!
Ruby: I can use quantum teleportation and am sonic!
Yang:
Sometimes I get angry
I’m curious, do you think that if Jaun were to use his semblance on Qrow it would just increase the range/power of his bad luck, or would it forcibly evolve Qrow’s semblance into something more akin to a curse say like forcing other people to have constant bad luck even when he isn’t around them? I relies this isn’t completely on topic but I figured it was close enough to ask.
The timing of his aura breaking
"It's vert doubtful" But you see, there ARE things here that could be influenced by good or bad luck here - Qrow's weapon was on the cold ice, potentially making it colder and unwieldly or slippery. Tyrion could also have potentially slipped while going for the killing blow, something that would very much be considered unlucky - After all, everyone slips on ice, it's just a matter of when in almost every case. There were so many factors in play at that moment, good or bad luck could 100% have played a factor.
What if it was just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but to the extreme? For example, Qrow happens to be at the bar at the moment the bartender drops a glass or how Clover just happened to walk in at the precise moment that dust crystal was flying through the air. Misfortune means you'll always be at the wrong place at the wrong time and good fortune means you'll always be at the right place at the right time? Luck semblances are confusing.
Hey I have an interesting thought could penny become the most powerful maiden since she will never die from old age and possibly more powerful than fria
You make some very good points but let me say this: the bartender didn't drop the glass in his hand he picked up the glass to clean it and knocked over another glass on the counter. Also, Qrow said in volume 4 that it's not something he necessarily does its just always there. So I am thinking that its always active unless he activates it when he can but... nothing ever signifies when he activates it like the other characters. So, if his semblance is always there it takes effect at probable times. I don't blame Qrow for it. Also if you are explaining this situation with tyrian and clover you have to also take into consideration when tyrian poisoned him. Do you call that also his action and not Qrows semblance? I dont think so but those are my thoughts great video though I watch them all the time
It's an interesting look at these particular semblances. The way you were describing them as reality breaking though, I don't think Good Fortune or Misfortune are as powerful as that. Reality *bending* perhaps, bending the rules of the world around them to fit a positive or negative outcome. I think if these were truly reality *breaking* semblances, then Qrow and Clover would have absolute and full control over their semblances, being able to turn them from a passive effect into an active one. In which case, Qrow may have been able to use his semblance to force a negative effect on Tyrion, perhaps dealing a life-threatening blow to Clover but not necessarily life-ending. In this example, Clover could very well have been put into critical condition but ultimately survive, despite his lack of Aura at the time.
All that being said, I haven't rewatched RWBY much recently, still waiting to catch up with V8, but that's what I got from this discussion.
I got a question can Qrow use Harbinger as a conduit for his semblance.
I think Qrow's foolishness played a factor. Why would he team up with a known villain against someone that is merely a mislead hero?
I wanted Clover to live because he made Qrow feel like he didnt need to be so ashamed of his semblance.
I’m sorry I had to skip the probability part with the dices because I had to much of those questions on my math homework recently
But it did kinda help me ish
Qrow: I have no control over my semblance.
Night: Nah Qrow can activate it
When I saw it I thought Qrow's semblance had a small influence, the passive bad luck that didn't have any large effect, since Tyrian is their equal and master killer. The only bad luck I saw was the blade landing where it did, in very easy reach. The killing itself was all Tyrian.
It's nice for someone to finally talk about how the luck semblances work. It can get pretty tiring for people to just assume everything good/bad that happens around Qrow and Clover is automatically caused by their semblances when good/bad things happen naturally and at times can't be avoided.
One thing that really bugs me about Qrow's semblance specifically is that semblances are an extension of someone's aura and as such are meant to protect them in some way. When the show makes it seem like Qrow himself is a target of his own semblance or people assume that's what's happening, it just doesn't make sense to me because it should function like a luck debuff to _other people_ the same way Clover's is basically a luck buff to himself. If Qrow is inconvenienced by his own semblance it should be because it's affecting someone he doesn't want it to, not because it affected him specifically.
Honestly when I saw Clover die in that episode I was really shocked and thinking "OMG! Did that just really happen?!" O_O
I haven't seen Volume 7 yet, but Qrow had no control on what happened when Clover accidently hooked his sword and gave Tyrian the upper hand and was able to go in for the kill with no resistance. So Qrow was not responsible because he had no weapon to even try to save Clover.
This something I thought after watching the entire video as my first comment was actually my view based on the title and my previous view of the Clover's death. However this something I actually thought of after watching the video and my own thoughts that neither Orow nor Clover have mastered their semblance because neither could cause the desire outcome they wanted only do things one way.
Thus my theory is that because Clover has a "Good" Fortune semblance, he actually got himself killed through using his own semblance. Disarming Qrow was good fortune....for Tyrian. Clover's "good" fortune semblance was not used on him or Qrow but on Tyrian that time. Qrow being disarmed allow Tyrian the chance to kill Clover and have someone else take the blame for it
During the fight before the crash landing, Tyrian was still stuck to a pipe under one of the seats. During the fight, Clover’s hook was deflected and unluckily destroyed the pipe that Tyrian was stuck to, allowing Tyrian to get up and crash land the vehicle. That unlucky event right there was certainly Qrow’s Semblance.
If Clover’s hook didn’t unluckily destroy the pipe, then Tyrian would still be stuck to his seat and wouldn’t have been able to crash the vehicle, but he pipe was destroyed and allowed Tyrian to crash the vehicle, which then followed into the 1v1v1 where chance also allowed Qrow to be disarmed by Clover, and Qrow being disarmed by Clover allowed Tyrian to pick up Qrow’s sword and stab Clover with it.
Personally I find it more devastating that Qrow can't blame this on his semblance. He normally attributes the bad in his life to his semblance but this is a case where a bad thing happened not because of luck but because of the decisions he and the people around him made.
The only effect Qrow's semblance would affect Tyrian stabbing Clover is if the injury was fatal, or if Clover could've been saved if medical help was readily available at that time.
I believe luck and fortune are slightly different, so crow says his semblance is both misfortune and bad luck but which is it?
I guess they don't need me to create chaos
I thought this was why it happened. But I think after watching this, I feel like I lied to myself
Sometimes bad things just happen, I never thought it was Crows Semblance that killed Clover, it was just a very unfortunate circumstance that they were in and Clover's death is all on Terienen.
I’ve actually wondered if qrow semblance was just stringer then clovers
I actually wonder if clover died because of his own semblance. What if crows semblance "stores" luck causing misfortune in the present so he can get lucky in the future (by causing misfortune for others). That would explain why he survived being poisoned despite his bad luck semblance. Clovers semblance is the exact opposite, so instead of storing it it brings good fortune in the present, but misfortune in the future (the misfortune being clovers death)
Fair enough
I agree it wasn’t Qrow fault we all knew that Tyrian was going to do something honestly we all knew he had his own agenda when he stopped fighting Qrow and just went after clover. Qrow was protecting himself and trying to stop clover so he could get back to team rwby and stop Tyrian if clover had at least tried to convince Qrow that they needed to take care of Tyrian first then they could deal with their problems he could have survived. There were points in the fight that Qrow was trying to fight Tyrian and clover instead of helping Qrow attacked him instead really it was his fault for not trying to help Qrow take out Tyrian first.
If Qrows semblance has any influence in the death of Clover, surely it would be in where his scythe landed. Misfortune led to his weapon landing in a position whereby Tyrion was able to grab ahold of it
rest in peace clover
Is it a bad time to mention that my oc Jade has a luck semblance? She can control both good and bad luck and her luck is reversed depending on how one's probability is effected which balances it out
This is helping me with how to write her semblance. Thanks, phoenix