Intel were lazy with their implementation of ethernet for years. NVIDIA begged them to innovate until they decided to buy mellanox . The results speak for themselves
AMD sucks at making GPU's and even for software and game optimisation Nvidia is good especially when it comes to HDR and Ray Tracing or even AI related stuff. I do use an AMD CPU though which is fine (My current setup is a Ryzen 7 5800x and an Asus ROG Strix RTX3080 12GB edition and I know Asus has recently been getting in to trouble for having issues with some of their products but I have never had any issues with Asus purchases and even my motherboard is an ROG Crosshair VIII)
Probably the best bet, yeah. Although they'll launch at kinda high pricing. On the other hand, the more cache they put on the regular chips, the slimmer the benefit of X3D. Current gen goes from 64mb shared cache to 128mb with X3D. With 80mb cache on the 9950X, and no clock throttling for thermals (which X3D needs), it might be highly competitive with 9800X3D. Going from 5nm (7000 series) to 4nm probably won't have a huge effect. It's only 20% node shrink, and process node shrink is facing diminishing returns. I have a 7900X which I got a phenomenal price on. It works very well, but I'm kinda keeping an eye out for the last/best AM5 compatible chip before they change sockets.
@@kathrynck I'm on the 5800X3D/3090 now so I'm down to wait for the the 9800X3D. I usually skip a generation. and won't upgrade until Blackwell drops(5090)
@@JM1L1T4NT 9000 series info dropped today. Looks like a fairly "modest" perf. boost over 7000 series. But at least the power usage is down (and presumably the heat will be down too). Current 7000 series "need" an undervolt to perform best and get the temps down. Hopefully 9000 will run well at stock settings. 5090... hard to say what that will be like. It's still kinda early, lots of rumors, not a lot of things known for sure. Early rumors are that it will be immensely powerful, but also immensely power-consuming (wattage-wise). Then again, if it's as powerful (graphics-wise) as rumored, it should run _very_ well with an undervolt/underclock. It does seem like if the rumors are true though, it'll be _very_ expensive, even compared to a 4090. 100% agree with not upgrading super often :) I went from a 4790K and a 1080 Ti to 7900X and 4090. And frankly, I probably could have gone another generation (albeit with no ray tracing) except I really wanted to go from 1440p to large-format 4k (4k being two and a half times more work for the gpu than 1440p). I feel pretty good about my 7900X and 4090. The 7900X was just a steal at the sale price I got it, I could sell it used and come out money ahead, so I can't complain there. I am watching carefully to see if the next gen (after 9000) will be AM5 or AM6. If a 10,000 series (or whatever it's called) is AM5, I'll get that in a 950 or 800X3D flavor. If not, I'll get 9950 or 9800 X3D to socket in my mobo. By the time 10,000 series specs are released, prices should be good on 9000 series chips. So it's kinda win/win. The 4090 devours 4k content. No complaints. Although in _some_ titles, it puts out some heat doing it. Also, DLSS 3 is better than I anticipated. Not a huge fan of frame-gen, but the AI upscaling is much better than I thought it would be. It's difficult to tell the difference between "quality" upscale (which is from 1440), and native 4k. Been running 4k native in winter, and DLSS 'quality' upscale in summer, to kinda regulate the room temperature where the computer is hehe. Pleasantly surprised to find that I can even upscale 1080 and 1440 streaming video content (as long as it's in full screen). I did downclock the 4090 about 5%, and undervolt it about 12%. And made sure the plug is in tighter than tight, and braced the card _thoroughly_ to prevent flex. It performs very near stock (like 97/98%) due to less thermal throttling. And it seems more likely to last a long time. Also undervolted the 7900X (no underclock, just power), for what turned out to be 'higher' performance, and less heat & power usage. Anyway, running 4k native _very_ solidly, and DLSS provides a _wide_ margin for future-proofing. Just want the "last" good AM5 cpu to better future proof that element, when the time comes. PS: I'm "mixed use" so I'm kinda divided/undecided between 950's and 800X3D's ;)
@@Tugela60which fastest processors are you talking about? The failing Intel chips which are slower when using the baseline? Or the expensive threadrippers? Ryzen 9 7950x is the fastest cpu for people who don't want 100° thermals, 300w consumption, 1200w PSUs, upgrading every 2 years to a new motherboard. Heck the 7800x3d is still the fastest gaming cpu easily surpassing, even though being a year older than the 14900k while consuming just 80w at barely 60°. Even if you are getting barely 10% more performance for 40% more efficiency, then that's more amazing.
@@Riyozsu You don't upgrade your motherboard. By the time you have to upgrade your CPU you would be upgrading your motherboard anyway irrespective of what manufacturer makes the CPU. You only replace your processor when the speed difference is big enough to significantly improve your use experience, and by that time your old motherboard would be obsolete even if it could house the new CPU. This "hey I don't have to replace my motherboard" is a fake argument made by people to rationalize choosing buying a slower CPU. The only thing that counts is speed. People will buy the fastest processor they get. And that includes any normal overclocking. The fact that overclocking is a thing proves that people are more than happy to use more watts to get more speed. Power is not an issue, provided you have enough.
@@Tugela60 honestly speed isn’t the only considerations. I don’t care about slightly higher power bills but Thermals and noise are a big consideration. I don’t want my computer sound like a jet engine at full load. Picking parts that strike a good balance between performance and thermals is important to ensure my pc stays relatively quiet at load. I prefer ITX / mini ATX cases aswell which makes the above much harder for me aswell 😢
@@jewbacca7777 Ya it is for most people. This whole "power efficiency" argument is BS, when most people with high end systems are overclocking them, it is even built into the motherboards to do that, so obviously they don't give a shit about power efficiency. If they did, everyone would run at stock speeds and there would be no such thing as K type unlocked CPUs.
all of the leaks for ryzen 9000 that i've seen are saying ~20% gains - if those come from ipc and caching topology improvements (and hopefully improved high speed memory support), i'll be really happy. - i'm hoping we'll get some into trusted reviewers hands shortly.
better efficiency, better IPC, and hopefully a better design for keeping it cooler than the 7000-series, then it's far ahead of Intel in everything, as Intel struggles with both powerdraw, performance and heat. can't wait to see the 9950X performance, as that's the one I want to buy, replacing my current 2700X
I'm currently using an AMD 5900X, I'm planning to upgrade when the next X3D CPU's come out. Which will most likely be the 9800X3D. Will have to wait and see how much of an improvement those CPU's will have or I skip these and wait for the next CPU update.
yea same here i also use the 5900x and recently upgraded my GPU to the 4080 super not because i needed to as my 3070 was fine for gaming but vram for when i'm working on heavy 3D scenes with 4k textures was a pain to deal with. i was really hopping this ryzen 9000 would be impressive enough but it looks like imma have to wait for 9950x3D then upgrade to zen 6 when it drops.
Wont burst but there will be more players than just intel and amd hot on their heels. Given how much money there is its only a matter of time before ai asics come along
9:52 wish you would move the damn cam out of the way so we could look at a comparison between the older cpus. There is no way you go onto that screen and leave the cam there for a full 2 minutes and never thought to show it
My 7950x3d has been absolutely flawless with 64gb of 6400mhz gskill trident z and an msi mag z790 tomahawk WiFi board. If the next gen can make even a 10% improvement with even less power I’ll upgrade. My 5950x struggles with frame pacing in certain games, but the 7950x3d has been buttery smooth 100% of the time while barely breaking a sweat keeping up with my strix 4090 OC liquid cooled gpu. Intel CPU’s literally consume double the power for equivalent performance so yeah, I’m “happy”.
If you game with a 3070 or higher, when the price is right for you, grab a 5800X3D (or 5700X3D) if you want to extend the life of your AM4 platform. If you don't game, ignore me. I gave my mother my 5600x and upgraded to this and it was a game changer in games like Escape From Tarkov plus improvements in majority of my games with the same GPU I bought in 2020 (RTX 3080 10gb).
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 I agree, it is a great CPU which is cheaper. Thing is, I thought the 5600x was enough to get the best out of my GPU (3080/1440p 165Hz), and in most of games I was playing this was true but then you get games like "Escape From Tarkov", "Hell Let Loose" and some other titles that struggle on some machines due to on-going optimisation by devs and the 5600x wasn't enough, 5800x was roughly the same for performance in these games also. The X3D boosted performance massively for my now 3+ year old 3080. For gamers already on AM4, it's the last bit of life you can put in the platform but it's not a necessity, nothing is when it comes to gaming. I enjoyed my 5600x though, I didn't know it wasn't powerful enough in certain titles until I upgraded.
DirectSR sounds really nice! Of course, one remaining problem is that some games do Vulkan, some do DX12, so it's still... a mess. Standards are great though and this is one step in the right direction. Hopefully the same can be done with Vulkan VS DX12.
Why are the CPUs listed out of order on the "leaked" slide? They list the Ryzen 7 at the top, followed by the Ryzen 5, then the highest Ryzen 9 followed by the lowest Ryzen 9. These chips are listed in no logical order and I'm struggling to remember a time I've sen AMD list them like that in a keynote. Looks fishy to me.
I have a feeling the tdp changes is more to do with how they're presenting actual power draw, but if it is a significant drop in power like that, it bodes well for future mobile applications
I heard that current Ryzen 7000 series become relatively hot even with good cooling, so any upcoming gen improvements are welcome. Lower power draw could help. Nvidia seems to keep 512bit bus interface for 5090TI.
Seem like 5090 is not the top end now, There will be a blackwell titan with 512 bits full enabled. I am quite sick of NV pricing, i wonder the new titan will break 2k msrp
@@AsmodeusExx Either the Ti or Titan. I rather believe the name is flexible and it is based on NV appetite. If NV decided to be greedy they will name it Titan and charge it exorbitant pricing. (2k or even 3k usd) If NV decide to be kind and "care" for us gamer, they will name it 5090 Ti and charge us the same pricing as 5090 but they will be release it 1 year later.
Yeah, I'm not too excited about this. Windows seems to have a habit of including something extremely toxic to balance welcome innovations. I'm sure we'll get something fun like W10's "fullscreen optimization" to completely F up performance.
If you were really smart you'd sell that 7700x and upgrade to a 9700x early on, you'll only pay about a hundred bucks and get a nice boost in performance.
@@PineyJustice Man here on Brazil its like 2 salaries to buy one, its expensive, taxes are hell you pay one for you and 1 and 1/2 for the government and i don't have a gpu and a SSD yet
@@Fa151 Sure, but your old cpu is still going to be 80% of the value of the new one so you are not paying for a full new one. Then in another 2-4 years the resale value of the 7700x will be very low while the 9700x is still 80% of the value of the 10700x staying on top of it and reselling the old one each gen you actually pay less in the long run and stay on the latest cpu arch.
Well looks like my 7900x purchase wasnt a mistake. Unless there is some groundbreaking performance boost, i guess ill wait for the last AM5 CPU's to come out.
@spooderderg4077 5800X3D was comparable to the 7000-series in games that performed better with more cache, but anything else, the 7000-series was noticable faster, if I can trust what I remember. for gamers, there's no reason to upgrade from 7000-series X3D to 9000-series non-X3D, at least, that's for sure
On the 5900x and will wait for 9900x3d next year. But waiting to see the IPC gain from 5900x to 9900x. Games like Star Citizen and StarField are CPU board as well as GPU bound. Current setup is inadequate especially for Star Citizen.
4:48 to even play cyberpunk i need to use dlss, and the flickering is very distracting sometimes, not to mention a flashbang i get after closing map or inventory menu.
That sounds absolutely horrible. I'd like the instructions set of Intel with the efficiency and cache of AMD, Microsoft bankrupt and all Google technologies freely available and open source.
@@dddoomsaurace2350 why? All they seem to be updating these days are the graphics, besides the data collection and root access for the government anyway. Damn, now that you said that - I actually still like Office best. I'm one of those people. Tough one. I don't like Apple any better. Super capitalism sure was fun for a while, but all roads lead to a corrupt cleptocracy in the end apparently.
I always thought this was the ticket that Creative Labs Soundblaster needed to push their soundboards with an NPU (neural processing unit) and add a voice recognition engine, like how AMD did with the math co-processor FPU for video games. It's somewhat strange how that didn't work out for them.
I'm honestly happy they managed to get TDP under control. I kind of managed to lower manually with precision boost override on my 7900x. They need to stick to around 105 - 120W range no matter what Intel does nobody cares about them anyway
It won't matter if the clock isn't higher then last gen, all it has to do is not run like an oven. The 7950x constantly run on 95C and you needed the biggest AIO or custom liquid cooler just to keep it from overheating -> it was a space heater. Even Intel doesn't run that hot.
@@ZackSNetworkThe transistor size of the 9000X is 4nm, down from 5nm. That means in the same 2D space you can fit 56% more 4nm transistors. We’ll need to see benchmarks before it can be determined how that compares to 5nm + X3D tech per application. Possibly the price points AMD sets will be indicators.
AMD did this open development and hypertransport was created. Infinity fabric is an evolution of hypertransport. It was called the HyperTransport Consortium. HT was used as a front side bus and cpu to cpu interconnect as well as a connection for mezzanines on servers.
I really hope that Ryzen leak isn’t the full story because it’s absolutely ridiculous that we’ve essentially had the same core count for almost 7 years with r9 being the outlier!
until you see that AMD still win at multicore, despite having less core than Intel, especially after Intel introduced their "baseline power draw" that forced motherboard OEMs to set the PL2 at 188W
There isn’t really a ton of benefit of adding a bunch of cores for the majority of things. They have specialized chips for that but it’s not their main focus
I think they are waiting for market saturation and completion. If Intel is rumored to raise counts, then so should AMD. But if the software market is optimized with per core scaling, then AMD can set the bar and raise core counts before Intel.
Well, that's a bummer for amd ryzen 9000. Was waiting for something more impressive. Same thing with 5090. I guess ada 6000 is the only option to have more vram for workloads😢
@@mintymusIt was more about the gpu since my project scenes have already gone to 95 - 99 % vram utilization that is why i was hopping the 5090 would have 32 GB
9000 series was always just going to be a refinement of the 7000 series, so while it's perhaps not so exciting as raw clock speed improvements, the huge reduction of tpd is still just as impressive given it's the same architecture. I'm wondering if there might actually be some overclocking headroom in 9000 given that info?
Well it's just at the limit of your cooler, if they're going to design the chips to auto boost to hit 95°C. The most effective way to overclock a Zen 4 is to take its IHS Z height down, or even delid. There's a video done by Roman/De8aur.
@@stevenwest1494 der8auer*, but I hope the 9000-series will be better at cooling, compared to the 7000-series which suck at it, as Roman was able to test. I really want to 9950X, as I really need to upgrade from my old, still trustworthy, but slow 2700X. I need a CPU that can put my GPU at work, as I bought the 7900 XTX earlier this year 😆 the GPU is sleeping compared to my current CPU
Let's clear up one very important thing nobody seems to comprehend : higher speeds are just a side effect of the new GPU's, their main function is to push the most data in the shortest time so data-centers can harvest the internet much faster then before. It has really nothing to do with AI itself but rather the possibility to give AI the most powerfull tools available. On it's own it's absolutely uninteresting for anyone else but data mining companies !
Disappointed w r9000. As I commented in a previous video, I'll be waiting for a zen6 and rdna 5 lineup to replace my r5600 and 6600xt. Tbh this was my first disastrous build. I still have problems with it on a daily basis.
@@bgtubber Why would they? The same die is back ordered for 18 months by datacenter. What possible incentive does NVidia have to cut price for us? Not being smarta$$ legit question would you if you were them?
I can't imagine Nvidia cutting prices, untill they're lacking demand, which won't happen untill AMD or Intel can manage to be better for RT, AI and other stuff that gamers doesn't really need. there's a reason why AMD can be almost half the price, and still not sell more than Nvidia. anyway, I recommend AMD GPU for gamers these days, as that will result in way better price to performance for anyone who doesn't need RT. also, Linux support is better with AMD
Don't hold your breath on DirectSR being widely adopted for at least a few years. PC stutterfest has been going on for years, and there has already been a solution to this with DirectStorage, yet there are only like two or three games total that use it.
You can bet that Ryzen 9000 is gonna be a good bit faster than Ryzen 7000 was. And if the 9900X 12-core does that at a much lower TDP than the 7900X was, then I'm really excited to see how much performance you get from the 9950X with 170W TDP!
7900x works better and has more little performance when is set to lower wattage... so I think they put this lower wattage as default standard and rename 7900x as 9900x...but at least is the same CPU 😂lmao
@@AsmodeusExx Same clock speed advertised, so I doubt it. If that was the case they'd reduce TDP on the 9950X as the 7750X suffered the same issues at high clocks.
@@mikelay5360 I get people think the whole AI buzz is stupid, but I got to try the new Copilot+ and honestly I wont buy without it. I know it sounds stupid but it really is nice. I also think you will see new games come out with AI features (mainly text generation) and without that NPU your GPU will take a massive FPS hit.
Regarding the last slide with the AMD CPU's. Your head really was not needed in the frame. I can even say that it hid some info regarding which CPU's are being talked about. So do better next time.
Never thought id see the day AMD works together with Intel
It only makes sense to do, Nvidia is a juggernaut and it's gonna take a lot to even rival them even with up to 20 companies working together
They did do it with nucs before IIRC
It's not the first time though, won't be the last.
Intel were lazy with their implementation of ethernet for years. NVIDIA begged them to innovate until they decided to buy mellanox . The results speak for themselves
They actually work together a lot.
Everyone's tired of paying NVidia's prices.
there will be still enough idiots that buy these cards...
Hopefully they will do something about it
Price isn't the issue the scalpers are
AMD sucks at making GPU's and even for software and game optimisation Nvidia is good especially when it comes to HDR and Ray Tracing or even AI related stuff. I do use an AMD CPU though which is fine (My current setup is a Ryzen 7 5800x and an Asus ROG Strix RTX3080 12GB edition and I know Asus has recently been getting in to trouble for having issues with some of their products but I have never had any issues with Asus purchases and even my motherboard is an ROG Crosshair VIII)
@@zahidshabir4038sounds like you have never had an AMD card. They make great cards.
I'm waiting for the X3D chips
Probably the best bet, yeah. Although they'll launch at kinda high pricing.
On the other hand, the more cache they put on the regular chips, the slimmer the benefit of X3D. Current gen goes from 64mb shared cache to 128mb with X3D. With 80mb cache on the 9950X, and no clock throttling for thermals (which X3D needs), it might be highly competitive with 9800X3D.
Going from 5nm (7000 series) to 4nm probably won't have a huge effect. It's only 20% node shrink, and process node shrink is facing diminishing returns.
I have a 7900X which I got a phenomenal price on. It works very well, but I'm kinda keeping an eye out for the last/best AM5 compatible chip before they change sockets.
@@kathrynck I'm on the 5800X3D/3090 now so I'm down to wait for the the 9800X3D. I usually skip a generation. and won't upgrade until Blackwell drops(5090)
@@JM1L1T4NT 9000 series info dropped today. Looks like a fairly "modest" perf. boost over 7000 series. But at least the power usage is down (and presumably the heat will be down too). Current 7000 series "need" an undervolt to perform best and get the temps down. Hopefully 9000 will run well at stock settings.
5090... hard to say what that will be like. It's still kinda early, lots of rumors, not a lot of things known for sure. Early rumors are that it will be immensely powerful, but also immensely power-consuming (wattage-wise). Then again, if it's as powerful (graphics-wise) as rumored, it should run _very_ well with an undervolt/underclock. It does seem like if the rumors are true though, it'll be _very_ expensive, even compared to a 4090.
100% agree with not upgrading super often :) I went from a 4790K and a 1080 Ti to 7900X and 4090. And frankly, I probably could have gone another generation (albeit with no ray tracing) except I really wanted to go from 1440p to large-format 4k (4k being two and a half times more work for the gpu than 1440p).
I feel pretty good about my 7900X and 4090. The 7900X was just a steal at the sale price I got it, I could sell it used and come out money ahead, so I can't complain there. I am watching carefully to see if the next gen (after 9000) will be AM5 or AM6. If a 10,000 series (or whatever it's called) is AM5, I'll get that in a 950 or 800X3D flavor. If not, I'll get 9950 or 9800 X3D to socket in my mobo. By the time 10,000 series specs are released, prices should be good on 9000 series chips. So it's kinda win/win.
The 4090 devours 4k content. No complaints. Although in _some_ titles, it puts out some heat doing it. Also, DLSS 3 is better than I anticipated. Not a huge fan of frame-gen, but the AI upscaling is much better than I thought it would be. It's difficult to tell the difference between "quality" upscale (which is from 1440), and native 4k. Been running 4k native in winter, and DLSS 'quality' upscale in summer, to kinda regulate the room temperature where the computer is hehe. Pleasantly surprised to find that I can even upscale 1080 and 1440 streaming video content (as long as it's in full screen).
I did downclock the 4090 about 5%, and undervolt it about 12%. And made sure the plug is in tighter than tight, and braced the card _thoroughly_ to prevent flex. It performs very near stock (like 97/98%) due to less thermal throttling. And it seems more likely to last a long time.
Also undervolted the 7900X (no underclock, just power), for what turned out to be 'higher' performance, and less heat & power usage.
Anyway, running 4k native _very_ solidly, and DLSS provides a _wide_ margin for future-proofing. Just want the "last" good AM5 cpu to better future proof that element, when the time comes.
PS: I'm "mixed use" so I'm kinda divided/undecided between 950's and 800X3D's ;)
Minor speed gains with a major reduction of power usage is a win in my book.
Fastest procesor wins, which, unfortunately, these fall short.
@@Tugela60which fastest processors are you talking about? The failing Intel chips which are slower when using the baseline? Or the expensive threadrippers? Ryzen 9 7950x is the fastest cpu for people who don't want 100° thermals, 300w consumption, 1200w PSUs, upgrading every 2 years to a new motherboard. Heck the 7800x3d is still the fastest gaming cpu easily surpassing, even though being a year older than the 14900k while consuming just 80w at barely 60°. Even if you are getting barely 10% more performance for 40% more efficiency, then that's more amazing.
@@Riyozsu You don't upgrade your motherboard. By the time you have to upgrade your CPU you would be upgrading your motherboard anyway irrespective of what manufacturer makes the CPU. You only replace your processor when the speed difference is big enough to significantly improve your use experience, and by that time your old motherboard would be obsolete even if it could house the new CPU. This "hey I don't have to replace my motherboard" is a fake argument made by people to rationalize choosing buying a slower CPU.
The only thing that counts is speed. People will buy the fastest processor they get. And that includes any normal overclocking. The fact that overclocking is a thing proves that people are more than happy to use more watts to get more speed. Power is not an issue, provided you have enough.
@@Tugela60 honestly speed isn’t the only considerations. I don’t care about slightly higher power bills but Thermals and noise are a big consideration. I don’t want my computer sound like a jet engine at full load. Picking parts that strike a good balance between performance and thermals is important to ensure my pc stays relatively quiet at load. I prefer ITX / mini ATX cases aswell which makes the above much harder for me aswell 😢
@@jewbacca7777 Ya it is for most people. This whole "power efficiency" argument is BS, when most people with high end systems are overclocking them, it is even built into the motherboards to do that, so obviously they don't give a shit about power efficiency. If they did, everyone would run at stock speeds and there would be no such thing as K type unlocked CPUs.
Can't wait for Niktek to make a meme where NVidia is Thanos getting ganged up by the Hardware Avengers
Who will be Starlord who ruins the plan? AMD mocking him with lower prices or fsr? Lol
all of the leaks for ryzen 9000 that i've seen are saying ~20% gains - if those come from ipc and caching topology improvements (and hopefully improved high speed memory support), i'll be really happy. - i'm hoping we'll get some into trusted reviewers hands shortly.
Also the reduction in wattage is great, and might mean that the cpus will run a lot cooler
better efficiency, better IPC, and hopefully a better design for keeping it cooler than the 7000-series, then it's far ahead of Intel in everything, as Intel struggles with both powerdraw, performance and heat. can't wait to see the 9950X performance, as that's the one I want to buy, replacing my current 2700X
Most of the IPC improvement is from AVX512. They doubled the AVX 512 performance that will pull up the average IPC increase.
Do u know if the 9950 will be beatem by 7950x3d?
@@Ali1994So 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Good question 👍🏽
I'm currently using an AMD 5900X, I'm planning to upgrade when the next X3D CPU's come out. Which will most likely be the 9800X3D. Will have to wait and see how much of an improvement those CPU's will have or I skip these and wait for the next CPU update.
yea same here i also use the 5900x and recently upgraded my GPU to the 4080 super not because i needed to as my 3070 was fine for gaming but vram for when i'm working on heavy 3D scenes with 4k textures was a pain to deal with. i was really hopping this ryzen 9000 would be impressive enough but it looks like imma have to wait for 9950x3D then upgrade to zen 6 when it drops.
x3d is only good for gaming non x3d is better for other stuff
Nvidia owns the ai bubble and will lose the most when it bursts
Wont burst but there will be more players than just intel and amd hot on their heels.
Given how much money there is its only a matter of time before ai asics come along
7:50 back to the 290X/390X from a decade ago bus width
9:52 wish you would move the damn cam out of the way so we could look at a comparison between the older cpus. There is no way you go onto that screen and leave the cam there for a full 2 minutes and never thought to show it
when AMD realizes it's X86 vs Nvidia
microcenter needs to open in the Uk
They also need to open in Los Angeles!
My 7950x3d has been absolutely flawless with 64gb of 6400mhz gskill trident z and an msi mag z790 tomahawk WiFi board. If the next gen can make even a 10% improvement with even less power I’ll upgrade.
My 5950x struggles with frame pacing in certain games, but the 7950x3d has been buttery smooth 100% of the time while barely breaking a sweat keeping up with my strix 4090 OC liquid cooled gpu. Intel CPU’s literally consume double the power for equivalent performance so yeah, I’m “happy”.
Cant wait R9 9900X.
Its gonna be a huge jump from my good old DDR3 rigs from one and a half decade ago.
Hmmm unless the IPC gain is big then, I think I’ll stick with 7700x until 10950x or whatever its called…
10000 probably gonna be refresh, unless they feeling funny
If the 9700x and 9600x have 65w tdp. I wonder if the non-x chips will have 35-40w. The earlier non-x 7000 had all 65w reduced from 105w.
working together to bring you a product at 75% of the capability with the same price tag.
If I had to guess I would say the 512bit interface 32G RTX 5090.
Will still come but later as the Titan card for a Mid Gen refresh.
the 9 year old Radeon Fury X laughs in 4096-bit bus =p
Just a shame it only had 4GB VRAM. Would've been a good card otherwise...
The speed is slow as hell though and only 4gbs of ram.
What do you expect from a 9 year old card@@ZackSNetwork
@@sherpafan033 used mine all the way up until 2022 and it did fine for most things, but yea, the 4gb vram was really its only hamstring at the time.
@@ZackSNetwork compared to modern cards sure, but to be a card from 2015, it stayed relevant well past its main competitor of the time, the 980ti.
Does he just change the name of his videos so it looks like he is putting out more?
wheres the little background music from the outro? :(
Nice but i'll stick to my 5900X!
And I just got me a 7500f can't wait to put my pc together!
Same my guy!
If you game with a 3070 or higher, when the price is right for you, grab a 5800X3D (or 5700X3D) if you want to extend the life of your AM4 platform. If you don't game, ignore me. I gave my mother my 5600x and upgraded to this and it was a game changer in games like Escape From Tarkov plus improvements in majority of my games with the same GPU I bought in 2020 (RTX 3080 10gb).
@J.D_7 Even a 5800X is a phenomenal processor. And quite a bit cheaper than the X3D variant.
@@asmongoldsmouth9839 I agree, it is a great CPU which is cheaper. Thing is, I thought the 5600x was enough to get the best out of my GPU (3080/1440p 165Hz), and in most of games I was playing this was true but then you get games like "Escape From Tarkov", "Hell Let Loose" and some other titles that struggle on some machines due to on-going optimisation by devs and the 5600x wasn't enough, 5800x was roughly the same for performance in these games also.
The X3D boosted performance massively for my now 3+ year old 3080. For gamers already on AM4, it's the last bit of life you can put in the platform but it's not a necessity, nothing is when it comes to gaming. I enjoyed my 5600x though, I didn't know it wasn't powerful enough in certain titles until I upgraded.
love the content , but what's with 'INNER connects'
DirectSR sounds really nice! Of course, one remaining problem is that some games do Vulkan, some do DX12, so it's still... a mess. Standards are great though and this is one step in the right direction. Hopefully the same can be done with Vulkan VS DX12.
Why are the CPUs listed out of order on the "leaked" slide? They list the Ryzen 7 at the top, followed by the Ryzen 5, then the highest Ryzen 9 followed by the lowest Ryzen 9. These chips are listed in no logical order and I'm struggling to remember a time I've sen AMD list them like that in a keynote. Looks fishy to me.
Me: interesting title
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Still waiting for a micro center in AZ
And in Seattle or Portland
I have a feeling the tdp changes is more to do with how they're presenting actual power draw, but if it is a significant drop in power like that, it bodes well for future mobile applications
Thank's man. NVidia will be a new milestone ahead by the time it's competition figures out where to begin.
I heard that current Ryzen 7000 series become relatively hot even with good cooling, so any upcoming gen improvements are welcome. Lower power draw could help.
Nvidia seems to keep 512bit bus interface for 5090TI.
Seem like 5090 is not the top end now, There will be a blackwell titan with 512 bits full enabled. I am quite sick of NV pricing, i wonder the new titan will break 2k msrp
I think we have to wait a Ti or S or Ti S 5090 for having full 512bus
@@AsmodeusExx Either the Ti or Titan. I rather believe the name is flexible and it is based on NV appetite. If NV decided to be greedy they will name it Titan and charge it exorbitant pricing. (2k or even 3k usd)
If NV decide to be kind and "care" for us gamer, they will name it 5090 Ti and charge us the same pricing as 5090 but they will be release it 1 year later.
DirectSR just sounds like another thing to lock gaming to windows and directx even harder instead of vulcan for people to switch to linux
Yeah, I'm not too excited about this. Windows seems to have a habit of including something extremely toxic to balance welcome innovations. I'm sure we'll get something fun like W10's "fullscreen optimization" to completely F up performance.
Well i got a 7700x and i dont feel atracted to any of the 9000 series lets hope the next processor comes better and also am5
If you were really smart you'd sell that 7700x and upgrade to a 9700x early on, you'll only pay about a hundred bucks and get a nice boost in performance.
@@PineyJustice Man here on Brazil its like 2 salaries to buy one, its expensive, taxes are hell you pay one for you and 1 and 1/2 for the government and i don't have a gpu and a SSD yet
9000x is 7000x series with a default lower tdp. 😅
@@Fa151 Eu sei como é no Brasil preços absurdos, morei 16 anos no Brasil
@@Fa151 Sure, but your old cpu is still going to be 80% of the value of the new one so you are not paying for a full new one. Then in another 2-4 years the resale value of the 7700x will be very low while the 9700x is still 80% of the value of the 10700x staying on top of it and reselling the old one each gen you actually pay less in the long run and stay on the latest cpu arch.
If the 5090 is cut down does that leave room for a 5090 ti or titan variant?
Ti and titan is the same, you mean super?
@@ketsi3079There never has been a Super variant of the 90 series. It would have to be a 5090ti.
@@ZackSNetwork then why he asks ti or titan when those are exactly the same?
5090ti for the full bus 32gb 512 i think
*It's still 8 cores per CCX/chip....* 😑
Not a lot of applications benefit from more cores at this point
Well looks like my 7900x purchase wasnt a mistake. Unless there is some groundbreaking performance boost, i guess ill wait for the last AM5 CPU's to come out.
gonna be for another 10 years maybe or so lol
when x3d?
Next year most likely
Probably a similar release window as 7000. Standard lineup camo out the second half of 2022, but X3D didn't come until spring 2023.
Yea why are they not just releasing x3d as standard now. Most of us want those.
@spooderderg4077 5800X3D was comparable to the 7000-series in games that performed better with more cache, but anything else, the 7000-series was noticable faster, if I can trust what I remember. for gamers, there's no reason to upgrade from 7000-series X3D to 9000-series non-X3D, at least, that's for sure
I was needing a low power but good CPU for my work PC, so the 8 core is actually perfect at 65W.
I mean with 40w less used even if they get similar performance to last gen their new cpu would still be great.
Same clocks but lower tdp, maybe the overclock would be good or it may become unstable in games like intel i9 and i7
As far as 9000 goes, i'm more interesting in learning if they've done any upgrades to the X3D architecture.
On the 5900x and will wait for 9900x3d next year. But waiting to see the IPC gain from 5900x to 9900x. Games like Star Citizen and StarField are CPU board as well as GPU bound. Current setup is inadequate especially for Star Citizen.
The scheduler code used in Vulkan and DX12 is in large part based on the Mantle API developed by AMD. Talk about benefits for the whole industry.
4:48 to even play cyberpunk i need to use dlss, and the flickering is very distracting sometimes, not to mention a flashbang i get after closing map or inventory menu.
Direct Super Resolution. someone should get the Nobel prize for that. It's an idea that should have been implemented years ago. Nice reporting.
Imagine this the software of google hardware of microsoft efficiency of intel and the apu of amd all in one pc that would be insane.
efficiency of intel? Huh
That sounds absolutely horrible.
I'd like the instructions set of Intel with the efficiency and cache of AMD, Microsoft bankrupt and all Google technologies freely available and open source.
@@peteranders7106 Everything there is great although if microsoft was bankrupt we would probably have to switch to apple's Macos or use linux.
@@dddoomsaurace2350 why? All they seem to be updating these days are the graphics, besides the data collection and root access for the government anyway. Damn, now that you said that - I actually still like Office best. I'm one of those people. Tough one. I don't like Apple any better. Super capitalism sure was fun for a while, but all roads lead to a corrupt cleptocracy in the end apparently.
I always thought this was the ticket that Creative Labs Soundblaster needed to push their soundboards with an NPU (neural processing unit) and add a voice recognition engine, like how AMD did with the math co-processor FPU for video games. It's somewhat strange how that didn't work out for them.
The vegeta 9000 meme will be good.
The Ryzen 9000 series CPUs are RDNA 2? Was the rumors about the OP iGPUs coming out the next gen after the 9000 series?
I'm honestly happy they managed to get TDP under control. I kind of managed to lower manually with precision boost override on my 7900x.
They need to stick to around 105 - 120W range no matter what Intel does nobody cares about them anyway
It's not really surprising. If you are going to push computing you have to eliminate proprietary hardware interconnects.
at this point mostly everybody already satisfied with their pc & like to see whats coming up for improvements
when does DSR go live?
Now we wait for DirectFG for frame generation ? x')
I wonder if you can set the 9700X to 105w TDP to get a higher boost from default
It won't matter if the clock isn't higher then last gen, all it has to do is not run like an oven. The 7950x constantly run on 95C and you needed the biggest AIO or custom liquid cooler just to keep it from overheating -> it was a space heater. Even Intel doesn't run that hot.
Looks like I won't have a compelling reason to upgrade from my 7800X3D.
Why would you go from a last gen X3D chip to a next generation non x3D chip? Just wait for the 9800x3d.
The new x3d chips won't release till next April or something.
@@ZackSNetworkThe transistor size of the 9000X is 4nm, down from 5nm. That means in the same 2D space you can fit 56% more 4nm transistors. We’ll need to see benchmarks before it can be determined how that compares to 5nm + X3D tech per application. Possibly the price points AMD sets will be indicators.
Yeah, about time we get to see CX Link.
They’re just leaving space for a 5090ti
DO Micro Center ship to Europe also? Can I buy from Europe?
AMD did this open development and hypertransport was created. Infinity fabric is an evolution of hypertransport. It was called the HyperTransport Consortium. HT was used as a front side bus and cpu to cpu interconnect as well as a connection for mezzanines on servers.
I really hope that Ryzen leak isn’t the full story because it’s absolutely ridiculous that we’ve essentially had the same core count for almost 7 years with r9 being the outlier!
if i remember correctly, ZEN 6 is the one with more cores on the leaked roadmaps.
until you see that AMD still win at multicore, despite having less core than Intel, especially after Intel introduced their "baseline power draw" that forced motherboard OEMs to set the PL2 at 188W
There isn’t really a ton of benefit of adding a bunch of cores for the majority of things. They have specialized chips for that but it’s not their main focus
I think they are waiting for market saturation and completion.
If Intel is rumored to raise counts, then so should AMD. But if the software market is optimized with per core scaling, then AMD can set the bar and raise core counts before Intel.
What do you need more cores for?
Well, that's a bummer for amd ryzen 9000. Was waiting for something more impressive. Same thing with 5090. I guess ada 6000 is the only option to have more vram for workloads😢
I think nvidia reserve 512bit bus for a 5090ti / s launch. Cuz they never released the 4090ti. This is only a marketing move. My opinion
In what way are the current CPUs not sufficient?
@@AsmodeusExx I really hope so
@@mintymusIt was more about the gpu since my project scenes have already gone to 95 - 99 % vram utilization that is why i was hopping the 5090 would have 32 GB
9950x am5 or am6 ?
So there will probably come a 5090 TI or a Titan Blackwell with the full 512-bit bus and 32GB VRAM
Nah they said they are focused on memory speed over quantity.
All we need is IPC gains and physical cores with better memory speeds.
So currently 18 x NVLink 100Gbps channels. How would UALink compare?
This is great the wattage use was getting out of hand. Even if it's only 5-10% faster this is a smart move.
Thought I would check your your channel again, and still no chapters. I ll check again later.
I see chapters in the timeline
quite very disapointed expected atleast more core counts with zen5 tech since that was the main purpose
AMD is market leader in the CPU side so I’m not surprised due to lack of competition. Intel has fumbled. While AMD has become stagnant.
I love micro center , when the 4080 super dropped I got all things to build my rig there and it was the best pc store in the world hands down
If rumors are true and the memory controller is faster and stable then its the best hardware we have for next gen games.
i think that drop in tdp is in response to cpus failing because it is overclocked out of the box. i think they made eco mode the stock mode this time
That is intel, not AMD.
exciting! I bought 7600x for extremely cheap straight after it came out and now will upgrade to 8 core zen 5
Gonna go wait for Ryzen 18000
"Micro Center is the besttttttt" In DJ Khaled's voice
Do i see IGPUS on all of them
What they all missed was the new design and architecture, the fact that the Stats are the same but they are seeing Record increases yet again...
The 5090Ti will probably get the 512-bit interface then.
9000 series was always just going to be a refinement of the 7000 series, so while it's perhaps not so exciting as raw clock speed improvements, the huge reduction of tpd is still just as impressive given it's the same architecture. I'm wondering if there might actually be some overclocking headroom in 9000 given that info?
I was thinking the same
Well it's just at the limit of your cooler, if they're going to design the chips to auto boost to hit 95°C. The most effective way to overclock a Zen 4 is to take its IHS Z height down, or even delid. There's a video done by Roman/De8aur.
@@stevenwest1494 der8auer*, but I hope the 9000-series will be better at cooling, compared to the 7000-series which suck at it, as Roman was able to test. I really want to 9950X, as I really need to upgrade from my old, still trustworthy, but slow 2700X. I need a CPU that can put my GPU at work, as I bought the 7900 XTX earlier this year 😆 the GPU is sleeping compared to my current CPU
Let's clear up one very important thing nobody seems to comprehend : higher speeds are just a side effect of the new GPU's, their main function is to push the most data in the shortest time so data-centers can harvest the internet much faster then before. It has really nothing to do with AI itself but rather the possibility to give AI the most powerfull tools available. On it's own it's absolutely uninteresting for anyone else but data mining companies !
Que the over 9000 jokes
Disappointed w r9000. As I commented in a previous video, I'll be waiting for a zen6 and rdna 5 lineup to replace my r5600 and 6600xt. Tbh this was my first disastrous build. I still have problems with it on a daily basis.
I will wait to see real benchmarks on the 9900X CPUs. They don't look like much but maybe Zen 5 makes all the difference.
It sucks that you have to lower the in-game resolution in order use fsr or what have you.. imho
If your hardware already can't render at e.g. 4k at desired framerates then dropping the resolution may already be something you're doing.
5090 cut down? I guess the price will be cut down too?
It better be.
@@bgtubber Why would they? The same die is back ordered for 18 months by datacenter. What possible incentive does NVidia have to cut price for us? Not being smarta$$ legit question would you if you were them?
doubled ofc.
I can't imagine Nvidia cutting prices, untill they're lacking demand, which won't happen untill AMD or Intel can manage to be better for RT, AI and other stuff that gamers doesn't really need. there's a reason why AMD can be almost half the price, and still not sell more than Nvidia. anyway, I recommend AMD GPU for gamers these days, as that will result in way better price to performance for anyone who doesn't need RT. also, Linux support is better with AMD
Don't hold your breath on DirectSR being widely adopted for at least a few years. PC stutterfest has been going on for years, and there has already been a solution to this with DirectStorage, yet there are only like two or three games total that use it.
i mean yes not even X are out yet but when u do think we will get x3D ryzen ? cuz i want to upgrade to when they come
out
Next year in spring
"ENTIRE Desktop Ryzen 9000 Series Just LEAKED!" --> and they use the same naming conventions as before O_O
Clickbait much? ;)
well... going to pull the trigger for an 7950x3d then. i going sfx and 170w tdp is too much
The next 9800X3D will be $600+ for sure.
I just now can't wait for the 9800X3D to launch and its benchmarks and the X870 chipset so i can finally move to AM5...
I thought NVlink was their SLI-technology and was put down?
You can bet that Ryzen 9000 is gonna be a good bit faster than Ryzen 7000 was. And if the 9900X 12-core does that at a much lower TDP than the 7900X was, then I'm really excited to see how much performance you get from the 9950X with 170W TDP!
7900x works better and has more little performance when is set to lower wattage... so I think they put this lower wattage as default standard and rename 7900x as 9900x...but at least is the same CPU 😂lmao
@@AsmodeusExx Same clock speed advertised, so I doubt it. If that was the case they'd reduce TDP on the 9950X as the 7750X suffered the same issues at high clocks.
This the recipe for success- more power and more efficiency.
I bet Ryzen base clocks went higher, ie, don't look at just boost clocks.
I really want to know if these chips will have a NPU to rival the Qualcomm powered laptops coming out.
That won't be a deal breaker for me
@@mikelay5360 I get people think the whole AI buzz is stupid, but I got to try the new Copilot+ and honestly I wont buy without it. I know it sounds stupid but it really is nice. I also think you will see new games come out with AI features (mainly text generation) and without that NPU your GPU will take a massive FPS hit.
Intels ultra chips are AI enabled with NPU
I guess I'll have to wait to find out, I also heard windows 10 doesn't support NPU cpus I think
you want NPUs to draw boobs? pff
Regarding the last slide with the AMD CPU's. Your head really was not needed in the frame. I can even say that it hid some info regarding which CPU's are being talked about. So do better next time.
How is bros voice so calming
Called it, y'all were like "amd is changing their naming scheme"