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Hi I’m first yay
This comment is pretty mid
Is this comment mid?
semi over qualified janitor with a troubled past
Was this a paid review by the show
Noel would be the gym coach in Euphoria high school
plz 💀
looool yes.
Deals weed on the side
I AM SCREAMMIINNGGGG
or the school counselor
Laughing at Noel thinking he’s Fez when he’s so obviously Ashtray 😭
Nahh noel is Cal
yes
He is Ash fr
Cody is fez
STOPPPP SJJAJAKASHAHAHS
"I don't like feeling things sometimes." -Noel the empath, 2022
Does anyone feel like basically nothing has happened in the few most recent episodes? There's really only two storylines right now; rue's storyline and cassie's storyline, and it feels like neither have really developed much at all. It feels like theres so much focus being put on the 'feeling' of the show, that it's losing any actual substance or plot development. Nothing is cohesive, theres no flowing story line that ties the characters together. It's incredibly disorienting. What really gets to me is how poorly the characters are being fleshed out. What do they all do? Are they still in school at this point? What are their goals? Who is Dominic Fike supposed to even be, other than a plot device? What happened to all the other side characters?
Yes I agree, the plot has not moved lol
yessssssssssssssssss
update: it took 6 episodes for the darn plot to move lmao
True
Ep 5
Noel and Cody having different vpn sponsors is the closest I can imagine those two fighting
nord not good since they got a data breach so yeah
express vpn on the podcast though
i can see them arguing about the claymation reindeer Christmas special where cody finds it nostalgic and noel hating it more than the 2 conflicting vpn sponsors
🤣
Why would they fight about that lol
i didn’t expect noel to make a euphoria video but i’m not disappointed
He’s talked about it a lot on the podcast, even last season so it isn’t too surprising
Same
Noel told me about euphoria one the podcast a while ago
Op op op na kai mia ellinida
@@vaioskoutis7998 βρίσκεις Έλληνες παντού τώρα ρε
I appreciate Noel finally addressing this: they’re teenagers. I see a lot of people on Twitter discuss how stupid and mean the characters on the show are. They’re teenagers, they’re capable of being horrible and make stupid decisions. For example, I see everyone on Twitter talking about how Cassie is stupid for falling for Nate despite him being a genuinely awful person and being her best friend’s ex-boyfriend but that’s almost every teenage girl that I knew back in high school, myself included. When I was in high school, I went through something similar where I wanted this one guy to love me so bad and I changed a lot for him and even changed my morals and viewpoints just to appease him, even though he was such an asshole towards me. I related to Cassie in wanting someone to love you so bad that you could change yourself in order for them to even look your way. So, of course it’s frustrating to look at because we’re molder and we know better now. So, glad that Noel pointed that out!
agree agree agree yes
Also it’s a tv show so why tf do people get invested like these are real people
THIS
@@SydneydlC please order a father off amazon
I agree. After watching the show I realized other people saw the show differently. there are people being fans to the characters or hating them like you said. But there were far more deeper backstories to it than labeling who is good or bad.
Ans also same with changeling yourself for someone else. Just happens when you don't have a good self esteem. Not always from a lack of a father just a lack of good parenting. Someone to tell you your worth more than just looks or anything else. And that your enough as you are. Her mom literally only boasted her for that. So why would she have a personality if thats all she thinks isnt important
Honestly The only thing upsetting me about this season is the amount of screen time they dedicate to just.. sex. We don’t need a montage of every character having sex, it’s taking away from a lot of the dark and very real issues and just sexualizing and almost glamorizing it tbh. We shouldn’t think Cassie and Nate hooking up is hot.. he’s a sociopathic narcissist, emotionally love bombing a codependent victim. We should see more of how Nates abusive tactics are causing her to spiral (which we are finally getting more of) but it still feels more like a struggling love story than a toxic dynamic.
Like I can’t be the only one who thinks its weird how much this season is revolving around Cassie, feels almost like they’re exploiting the actress and her body at times with how much they make this girl take her t!ts out. Just my unpopular opinion.
EXACTLY, I don’t mind it, but if it has nothing to do with the plot, plssss don’t let it take that much screen time. It really does add up😒
!!! agreed
I also hate the sex scenes cuz all the sudden its super loud moaning and I have to have headphones on to watch it or the volume all the way down 😂
@@avai2154 wdym by plot holes and loose ends from season 1?
Prude
“Will Nate ever become a good person?” Lemme answer rn. No.
Yeah I don't know if Nate can be saved😂😂😂😂
I gotta say watching Fez nearly kill him was very satisfying
Am i the only one who wants him to actually improve and become better rather than be miserable forever
@@idfkwtr I feel like his actions have already made “improving” a thing not really realistic for him.
i wish he would tho
Yes, there absolutely needs to be more Fezco and ashtray. Honestly I barely care about any other storyline.
True. A teenage drug dealer with a wild adopted younger brother and an ailing grandmother should've been a show in itself.
i need them to have their own show
they carry the show
I wish his grandma started out healthier and then got worse, he would be in the show a lot if it was like that and we’d feel a deeper connection to fez o and his grandma. Even that one episode with her was fire
he is literally the only good storyline.
The cinematography definitely is the best part of the show so you’re not wrong for initially being interested in it for that reason
watching him say "when is that kid gonna get violent again" makes me want to cry after watching the finale
the problem i have with this show is the unnecessary nudity...bc no one sees that much as a teenager in A DAY
Lol
@@Genruin it’s okay, it’s just a prosthetic dick, as Noel says 💀
@@Genruin fr. the new episode literally starts with ass cheeks on the screen like wtf
Is weird since these are supposed to be teenagers.
FR and with the scene where its on nates phone.... its just unnesscary
Being someone who has spent their whole life without consuming any drugs or alcohol and still being able to relate to some of the shit in the show, it’s crazy, I don’t usually feel that way about any show where it’s all parties and drugs and sex
its a shit show
Cause your white
That’s why
@@noway2835 and thats ur opinion
Right, not having taken any drugs ever and still relating to rue 😕
@@AC-gm6dr huh
"teenagers are frustrated people" did noel just say something....sympathetic and real and insightful and serious
he said "frustrating people" lmao
“frustrating people“
Hate to burst your bubble but he said frustrating
No, they are FRUSTRATING
Came here to correct ya but everyone else already did 😂
I'm anorexic. And i just managed to eat a proper dinner while watching or more like listening to Noel speak about Euphoria.
nice one!
I’m proud of you! ❤️❤️❤️
You’ll get through this love. Baby steps
Good job! ❤️❤️💪💪
❤️❤️
what’s funny is that the actor that plays ashtray could probably literally do that, bc he’s like training for the olympics as a fighter and gymnast
thats nuts!
He needs to play aang in avatar lmao
@@skyemadisyn163 aang is asian though
@@skyemadisyn163 nah dog he too mean looking to be Aang
@@Kaastengels the way we view race isnt how aangs world views race, so there is no asian in aangs universe so it could canonically be any race of person, but aangs charecter is based off asian culutre so I see what you mean
I became an addict when I was 17, during my last year of high school. I’m clean now, but with Rue, the show so so so accurately describes what it’s like to suffer with mental illness, have an addiction, and trying to come to terms with having to live with those things forever as a sober person.
Yes! Her description of why she first used hit me right in the heart. It was word for word how it felt and why I had done it. 💯
@@kennaroo3311 I broke when she said she finally felt safe in her own body, it was like i finally found the words to describe how it felt using for the first time
Shit show
Honestly
I get that 100%, I’m actually in high school, and am at a point in my life where I have to come to terms with my mental issues, something I never knew I needed to deal with, but lately, specially, I’ve found it hard to watch shows that depict the issues that I have, especially when they’re represented perfectly. I was actually considering watching this show, but when everyone started talking about that aspect of it, it’s kinda turned me off to it. I get it’s great to feel seen and represented, and I feel like a completely different person, so maybe it’s just me, but can I ask why you, or maybe other people, like seeing these issues in shows and movies? I’m really interested, I hope this isn’t too personal, but does it help?
As someone who’s grown up with a few interactions with pot, but no hardcore drugs, I do advise people to be careful watching this show. While it doesn’t romanticize hardcore addiction it doesn’t always shy away from it.
i feel like it definitely does romanticize addiction to an extent. coming from someone who grew up around hard core drugs in my family, i agree with you though. but there are def times when it’s putting a light on these drugs, and at times it makes it seem like “ooh, that looks fun, and maybe it would help me in some way, i might try it” but then it almost immediately switches over to the bad part of drugs. the part that ruins lives and relationships, and makes you change your mind about your previous thoughts. i like that it shows both parts though, because it really does give an insight to what being an addict is actually like, and how it ruins so much.
@@anna_banana414 yeah I commented that before last weeks episode where Rue is running from the cops. I think season two is definitely focusing on the bad
@@anna_banana414 I'm late and I I don't understand. Doesn't the show expose the dark reality of drug abuse by correlating it with the terrible decisions that the addicts make?
@@jcon2060 yea for sure, but it also shows the “fun” in drugs, which is then immediately followed by the bad. like for instance, when i first started watching it and they were doing whatever drug it was that they did in the scene with rue and Jules in the funky glitter fort, i was like “oh that looks cool as shit” and im sure that can make some people think that they’d wanna do something like that. which is why i said i feel as if it does romanticize. but immediately after in the episodes, it went into rues OD and her sister finding her pretty much dead, and her being in a coma, etc. all the bad stuff that immediately changes your perspective of the previous enticing scenes. thats where the main moral comes in. it’s like saying “yea drugs look cool and all and might relieve some pain, but it will be doing much more harm then good eventually.”
@@anna_banana414 Thanks a lot for your insightful breakdown. I understand exactly what you mean now - especially since I haven't watched the show. *A Requiem for a Dream* left a deep impact in me as a teenager and more than a decade later, I still think about it now and then. Maybe Euphoria instills a sense of the glamour as well as the horrifying reality of drug abuse and imo, that does more for the youngsters than the DARE org.
As someone who is in the same age range as the characters in the show, I can say that nothing has made me want to try drugs less than seeing the effects it has on the characters in the show, both the users and the people in their lives. Season 2 episode 5 is one of the most harrowing depictions of the effects of drug use I’ve ever seen
Oh my god episode 5 was so stressful for me I had to watch it in increments. Im glad you have a good head on your shoulders!
I work with high school kids in foster care and I feel like not many people believe this, but the running scene is incredibly accurate. Especially at my job, kids run all the time. I’ve had to help search for them. It’s always intense and stressful. It’s an extremely good depiction of what it looks when a sick kid runs.🏃🏻♀️
I would definitely watch a spinoff of ashtray’s rise to power as he becomes a fucking international gang lord
FUCK YES
corny
@@alexiisdotcom like ur name
Yesss
@@Alan-rw3ez I know ur generic ass ain’t talking
Fez and ashtray make the show for me. I love those two fools they have the appropriate response to all the weird shit happening in this town
I will say that as a teenager, this show has scared me into not doing drugs if anything. Seeing the effect it's had on Rue and everyone around her is scary and something that I never want to experience.
Had the opposite effect for most, I’ve read literal comments and met people who now do drugs such as coke and heroin BECAUSE OF EUPHORIA!! because they think that’s how it should be. That’s how reality is. It has literally influenced god knows how many to do HARDCORE DRUGS where they wouldn’t have before!
There is literally middle schoolers doing Coke because of this show. I can’t even with people. “Oh it’s not glorifying it, it’s showing reality of substance abuse” BULLSH!T!
When you are literally expecting to get jokes. I ain't never heard Noel be so grown/serious.
Noel is probably Ash's biological brother or smt
lmao
@@Wandering841 i had the exact same thought. everyone is celebrating how great this kid is at being a hardened violent criminal--- that's gotta fuck with the kid's brain adn make him think that that is who he is meant to be cause that is what he's good at.
nice pfp bro
@@zakaryfoley1801 OMG TWINS
@@elizapham423 🤩
Listen, I'm a fentanyl addict who has been doing drugs since I was 14. I relate a lot to Euphoria and the complexity of being a mentally ill teenage girl. How good people can do shitty things.
I think it shows all of the shitty, horrible parts of addiction and doesn't romanticize it. It shows how selfish and manipulative it makes you, how you push everyone you love away. I also think Cassie's dad's story is so realistic and sad.
I think people see it and assume all of the girls are on drugs and it's just pretty girls doing drugs without facing consequences but that's not it. It's beautifully directed and composed, but it's really not unrealistic.
Hard fucking agree
also like mostly only Rue is actually doing drugs, the other people do sometimes but its mostly rue because she's the character who's an addict...
I feel like people are either just too dumb or too not wanting to feel something to appreciate this part of this story.
Yes... exactly. I still struggle from the choices I made from my teenyears, addiction, mental illness etc.
People talk (not noel) as if this show is sooooo out of the realm of reality when I find the majority hits the nail on the head. I hope you get clean, I hope we both can overcome our addictions. Unless you've been there you will never know.. Much love and strength ❤
@@LordOfDhara exactly. like Cassie, Jules and Maddie can do molly and whatever but it doesn't run their lives because they're not addicts. it's also pretty realistic that Rue's closest friends don't do drugs like she does - I have my group of friends that do drugs but my closest friends don't.
@@anjaxtv yeah these people are just saying "I didn't do drugs or commit crimes in highschool" which hey good for them but a lot of people do lmao just because they don't doesn't make it unrealistic.
The characters being teenagers is a great way to excuse bad writing. "Well of course it doesn't make sense that they're sabotaging themselves in the same way over and over again, they're teenagers, that magically makes it good!"
Yeah. Also in my opinion in this day and age pressure to like shit that everyone does is at an all time high, because it is low risk and easy access. Euphoria on so many levels is mediocre at best but for various reasons people champion it and call it groundbreaking, when objectively it is not at all.
Media and it’s consumption is a skill and tv is developed like candy these days, people don’t actually learn to critique these shows.
Also lets not even get into the sketchy people attached to this project and the way they depict minors
Facts. I would understand that point if they were real but they’re not, it’s a show and they’re characters. Characters need to affect the plot or other characters in a meaningful way.
That’s not how it’s written tho. Why do you think the teenagers make the bad decisions? It’s not forced flaws when the bad decisions that were made, make sense with the world they’re in. Bottom line is; it’s nuanced. If you want insight, go watch Dr K’s Euphoria review.
I just don’t see what satisfaction you get by dismissing things just because the characters were teenagers. This is rather a shallow comment imo.
As someone who’s struggled with substance abuse, the shows cinematography adds to the plot in such a wonderful way. Every aspect of the show feels essential in telling an authentic story. Because drug abuse, pain and chaos can all have this wonderful, romantic quality to it, until it doesn’t.
being a fan is hard, euphoria can make me cringe from the horrible writing to feeling like it's the best show on televsion all in one episode
give me a show that doesn't have a little bit of terrible writing lol. Even the best shows have some shitty dialogue or plot points.
@@LordOfDhara even game of thrones
@@LordOfDhara bojack horseman
@@princewillchris1330 you’re joking right? Bojack horseman is terrible lol
@@xzxmemoxzx ur cool bud
Noel is like a scientist, experimenting with how out of pocket he can make the segues into the sponsors
I read that storyline was originally going to be Jules and Nate, but their actors had a falling out irl so now they aren’t filming scenes together, and Cassie has replaced what would have been part of Jules storyline.
God I’m glad Nate and Jules would be awful but now they’re ruining cassies character
@@Em-jj2hp she was a good character?
I personally think the way that euphoria is stylized is purely for the artistic part. It’s another world it’s not very relatable in that sense we don’t even know what city or state they live in! So it’s meant to focus a lot on the emotion behind those moments that these characters find themselves in and I think it’s smart because it’s like an internal yet romanticized view of the ugly reality they’re all facing and that’s how they’re coping with it all. Rue is the narrator so I’d like to believe this is all from her internal perspective, but of course this is just my take from your comment on it. But overall I do agree the aesthetic importance over the delicate delivery of a very bleak issue is truly overshadowing and almost a tad dismissive of the very real and devastating reality many teenagers do face.
in the show and in real life it’s all set in LA, they film in Ulysses S. grant high, which is based in LA’s valley Glen neighborhood.
As someone who is recovered from narcotic abuse, watching rue is one of the most heart breaking things I have ever seen on television. I’ve never seen a show accurately depict addiction like euphoria does.
u need to watch bojack horesman they did such an incredible job of depicting mental illnesses and addiction. the first season is a little slow but its so worth watching
@@daisy-vh7bh binged the whole show twice so far since the start of the year and I'm about to watch it for the third time, literally so amazing
@@rubyregan1671 ahh im so glad :)
Umm, we children from banhof zoo is the most accurate i've seen, imo
Thank you. As someone raised around drug addicts, I agree that this show is extremely accurate
Yeah I agree it seems a little too focused on Cassie this season and Rue’s being stupid again. Hopefully it gets better in the next few episodes. It would be cool to get a series about Fezco and Ashtray tho 🤧🤧
way too cassie focused
last season they could’ve done something real good w the mckay assault scene but even then they focused that all on cassie too
@@draculaura6108 McKay’s storyline was literally abandoned. They didn’t say anything about it after. I just really wanna see where his story will go
@@draculaura6108 i think mccay left the cast and was only in ep 1
Lol I thought this was a dig at them for copying skins but now I’m just surprised they also took main character names
@@xzxmemoxzx Oh this show isnt even close to skins 😂
The show is really not for me, but honestly it isn’t the worst thing ever. I don’t like how the writers handle certain insufferable characters sometimes but I can acknowledge that teenagers can be quite complex at times… but at the same time I can’t help but notice that this show is aimed more for Mature audiences while younger audiences, typically under the age of 18, enjoy watching this show because they find it relatable. I’m not saying media automatically nudges someone to do self harming acts, but the way it’s presented reminds me a little too much of 13 reasons why and leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth… however some people view what they do in the show and their characters as well as the cinematography to be artistic but that in itself is a subjective argument. However, some characters can be quite entertaining at times because it’s clear the actors themselves resonate with the people that they are playing.
I definitely feel it is 13 reasons why but "prettier." I feel like it's super harmful, look at how many teens are saying they wish their lives were like this... idk
aint no way noel accurately predicted this season finale
please god make this a series, just the concept of "is blank mid" videos poppin up in a fan of that thing's feed all the time is stupidly funny to me
you know how child actors sometimes go crazy doing like raunchy shit to distance themselves from their child acting past?
Thats what euphoria feels like to me, the screen writer/s were sick of writing garbage for the CW or something so they just went hogwild.
they just ended up writing more hypersexualized teenage garbage
All the main characters are pretty much over 23
Like maddie’s In her 30’s.
Did they write for CW?
for the first time though this is a show that actually somewhat illustrates what my high school experience was like. all other shows depicting highschoolers are pretty corny.
some people say Euphoria is unrealistic.. but that’s just because their high school experience was boring lol.
Tbh watching the most recent episode, I saw myself in rue. The panicked screaming, the throwing everyone in your life under the bus cuz you just want to be left alone. The not giving a fuck. Seeing EP 5 changed me. It made me reevaluate a lot about my life. I've been clean off opiates almost 5 years, but the mental instability is still there and euphoria strangely enough has helped me understand how much that effects the ones you don't want to believe love you
What I really liked about Euphoria was how well they showed each side to every story. We learn why Rue is attracted to her addiction, she wants the silence, the calm. It shows how someone could gravitate towards substance abuse. However, it isn’t subtle in the way it depicts her relapses and the darkness that comes with addiction. Euphoria was truthful even if a bit dramatic, and that’s a rare thing given that most of the time drugs and alcohol are either demonized by the media, or glorified in music and tv. Euphoria does a good job of displaying the entire picture of a situation not just what people want to see.
I consider euphoria a heightened reality. It’s based in truth and relatability but not accurate. The second season hasn’t found it’s footing narratively. It’s still building.
nah as a teenager, its pretty fucking accurate.
@@deez9966 as a teenager, no it’s not at all
idk its not relatable probably bcs im not an American teenager
@@bonaventuretindin8494 America is weird, man.
@@zakaryfoley1801 The only people delusional enough to really think this is an accurate portayal of american teenagers... are american teenagers.
Edit: Though that is not the point of the show, and it's fantastic.
honestly season 2 didn’t offer us much closure on the big plot points in season 1 and the characters are not evolving.i understand that there needs to be conflict for the show to go on, but the fact that everyone is still dealing with similar issues from s1 is kind of redundant... (spoilers ahead)
in the final episode of last season, we were all wondering: what will happen after rue overdoses a second time? what will happen between rue and jules?
they brush over the fact that rue overdoses a SECOND TIME like why is she not in rehab again? wouldn’t she be in a much more strict, controlled and professional facility?
then, rue and jules just get back together like jules leaving wasn’t a big deal…. (they brush over it quickly at the party in ep 1 but that’s it…) also, the writers forget jules’ fear of rue would relapsing without her AND RUE *ACTUALLY* DOES AND JULES FEELS TERRIBLE… BUT THEN THEY KISS AND ARE “BACK TOGETHER”, as if everything was ok??
also why does no one tell maddy “don’t go back to nate BECAUSE HE CHOKED YOU AND HES AN ABUSER(like they’re just like “oh maddy, you deserve better” and no one stresses the toxicity and DANGER of their past relationship) like in s1, there was a WHOLE POLICE INVESTIGATION. IT WAS SERIOUS.
idk it feels like season 2 is not a continuation of season 1. again, it’s still early but i hope we get more s1 closure….
First of all we are 3 episodes into the second season, how tf are you gonna judge when it’s not even halfway through? Also the 2 episodes in between season 1 and 2 provide a nice bridge for the seasons that would probably iron out your issues you listed
apparently it’s because a lot of the cast didn’t want to work with certain people. I think people were saying hunter didn’t want to work with jacob, so then there goes the whole natejules storyline that was built up through season 1, which then affects how much they can continue other peoples storylines from season 1. i’m not sure how accurate that is, but that is what i have seen.
no no you've got a point. i was kinda thinking the same thing tbh
i really want to love the show but i cant because of the writing and the fact that there is only ONE GUY IN THE WRITERS ROOM. thats prob why there seems to be such an emptiness when it comes to the problem solving of pretty significant events.
I agree about the Nate and Maddy stuff but about Jules and Rue it's explained extremely well in the special episodes that came out before season 2
For me euphoria is the only show I can think of that tells a realistic story about a young trans girl which as a young trans girl was life changing. And as a recovering addict the depictions of addiction/mental health are unparalleled. That being said it's not a show that is undeserving of criticism. The portrayal of highschool aged characters in a a hyper-sexualized male gazey way is in my opinion grossly inappropriate. I also don't really feel like the storylines are even that unrealistic tho 🤷♀️ If you don't relate with the plot be fucking happy but I've definitely personally experienced the type of shit happening in this show and I know a lot of other people who do to. Idk tho.
bruh how do you talk about sex in an emotional way without using sexual imagery?
@@luizcastro5246 no one is arguing that. ppl are saying season 2 has been just way too sexual way more than season 1, and its really just not necessary
@@luizcastro5246 AND the men get prosthetics, and the women have full nudity, FREQUENTLY, when it adds nothing to the plot
🙌🏻
@@kimberlyncaywood4385 & the fact that we as women don’t get the same option is ridiculous.
The idea that Euphoria is romantisizing drug use and causing teenagers to want to do drugs themselves is ridiculous. The teenagers who wanna snort crushed up benadryl off a toilet rim and drink till they black out have already done so. The show isn't gonna be the tipping point.
@happy baby they absolutely do romanticize drug use in the show lol. WoOooO they show her overdosed once. They never show her withdrawling and experiencing the tremendous anxiety and pain--leading to desperation to get more. She somehow aquires them all the time with no job? stole from her mom once lol. Read around the internet and see how many of these kids want to be rue. They don't show even a fraction of the pain/struggle that addiction brings. Instead it's all confetti and bright lights and threesomes lmfao. showing her overdose once and argue a little with her family is nowhere near enough when 90% of the show is rue talking about how incredible she feels--and the rest is mild little problems in comparison to the real deal.
@@avery4234 agree
I usually think the same thing when a show does their take on complex issues but as someone who got diagnosed with bipolar at a very young age. In the first ep. when Rue was having a panic attack in the classroom it was a very accurate depiction and I immediately got deja vu. Also other traits like the depression lows when she's laying in bed spamming trash tv and generally not wanting to be around anyone vs. next day manic highs where she's so elated with life and everyone around her. I'm not a teenager at all but it makes me happy to see accurate representation of bipolar rather than the usual sensationalization. I cannot speak on the drug abuse as I do not experience that but I know lots of people will get bipolar from drug abuse.
as a bi polar former drug addict I can attest to the realistic way they mixed the two parts of reality.
yeah a ton of the mental illness stuff in the show is depicted so fuckin well
while i’ve never dealt with addiction, i saw myself in rue a lot, which actually helped me discover that i’m bipolar
The writing is honestly nothing special, but the technical stuff is really neat. It's style over substance but sometimes the style *is* the substance
I disagree i think the way they have Rue tell the story makes you sympathize with her in a way that you wouldn’t if she was just a side character. And how she’s an unreliable narrator i think the writing for he and her whole story line is spectacular
@@blairwaldorf-bass8180 idk it's not like she does actively terrible things just to hurt people. Not being able to sympathize with a teenage addict that makes poor choices sounds like more of a personal problem tbh 😐
@@beansfebreeze i feel like the way she tells the story makes her very likable and sympathetic. Where if she was a character like Elliot it’s harder because you don’t see the depth to her character.
@@beansfebreeze idk, I think in this season, moreso than the first one, we see Rue do some pretty messed up things.
@@beansfebreeze The way she treats her family? her sister? that guy at her support group whos just looking out for her? If it werent for the wrighting, she would be an unberable selfish charachter because shes not even trying, nor dose she want to get better or change her actions.
people are saying it romanticizes drug use?! bruh I've never been more afraid of drugs after watching it...
I acknowledge 100% that euphoria is an excellent show, but can’t watch it without getting triggered after struggling with addiction for years. Thank you so much for making note of people like me Noel. I feel seen.
Yes im afraid to watch it bc i know it will trigger me due to losing my brother to addiction so i feel u homie
While the show definitely has its shock value moments and the jokes about it being unrealistic have merit to them, I do feel like they represent a larger picture of emotion that we’ve all gone through - vulnerability, confusion, distrust among friends, etc. It’s pretty lame when people write it off immediately because of the “unreal-ness” of it, because their experiences just represent a more overall feeling that we’ve all experienced.
Idgaf what adults say about how stuff get romanticized if they’ve never gone through it. This show portrays my feelings in such a great way, not only dealing with manic depression but also with gender identity, and body image, I love this show
I totally agree, and honestly people in my highschool including myself DID have experiences portrayed in the show, minus the murder and drug busts lmao
this. it's almost as if people are forgetting that this is a show made for entertainment, if it were any more realistic shit would get really depressing really fast... yes you want to relate to specific emotions and situations but you also want to see an exciting story with pretty cinematrography
Euphoria really shows emotional realism than real realism and I think a lot of people forget that or overlook it
Idk why people expect a tv show to be real in the first place? It's fiction, so why don't play with it
im gonna try to "trust the process" for szn 2 bc im an optimist that believes that there is a method behind the madness
good luck, im hopeful
it's sam levinson. there is no process. just an ex junkie who had nepotism ties and good actors available. also he's a creep and people don't seem to get that you can be a creep and a male and have everyone still think the world of you in that industry to this day. eventually folks put it together. besides the show is just trauma porn at this point. and i already had a good trauma show for my adolescence. and SKINS first two seasons were silly and melodramatic but i can actually call it a cohesive body of work COMAPARITIVELY and WAY less creepy. and that had like a tenth of the euphoria budget. soooooooooooo dunno
@@mickleyinc20 I am extremely interested in the cassie plot but ep 4 felt like emotional trauma porn of cassie
As someone who's fallen very deeply into drug abuse in the past I finished euphoria feeling like they missed the mark. There are way too many forced situations with drugs. Like idk I get it's a show and unrealistic but Bojack horseman for example always had me relating watching him spiral out of control. Euphoria is trying without actually putting in the work to show the more selfish side of drug abuse, without showing the rest of the problems that come with it. I like the show but I'm just pointing out that the parts that it wants someone like me to relate to either miss the mark or stick to only showing the really small digestible bits and I'd like just a little bit more. I'm still gonna enjoy the show tho regardless.
Bojacks struggle was more with depression while Rues is more about drug abuse. Both mental illnesses, and both represented in their respective shows, but still different. Maybe that's the reason you found yourself relating to one over the other?
Yeah it's not the most realistic show, everything is very overdramatic
“When is that 12 year old gonna get violent again?” Well thats aged badly
Rue’s special made me cry during basically the entirety of the episode. The mental health portrayal in the show is very accurate.
I literally cried throughout the jules one
dude I cried like almost every episode😭
Imo those specials are possibly some of the best TV I've ever watched.
Same. I cried too much because I could relate. Having gone through a similar experience as Rue, I can say it depicted a lot of very real scenarios and the effect it had on Rue's family.
I think Euphoria's takes on relationships are more potentially harmful than the drug themes. like we can watch and like just know "ok don't do fentanyl," but we don't really often see how destructive and bad a lot of the MANY toxic relationships are in the show
Noel I’m really enjoying your recent content! You know your shit and it’s really cool to just see you talking straightforward about this stuff in an earnest way. Don’t get me wrong, I love your other stuff too! But I’d love to see more of you breaking down pop culture moments or stuff like this video because you’re so fucking smart and have such a good perspective.
One thing that I’m liking about season 2 is that Lexi is getting more focus. She’s the character that I relate with the most on the show.
The entire time I've been watching Euphoria I've wished they would just make a Fezco spinoff, was so happy to find out I'm not the only one
oh my god I guess the bots from MoistCr1tical's comment section have started spreading their cancer onto other channels
Fezco and Ashtray are the only entertaining characters of the show after they were finally fleshed out. I agree with Noel in that the entire time I’m just waiting for them to get back to those two. The funny thing is the only characters I respect in the show are the drug dealers. Maybe that has to do with those 2 are the only ones who can keep their head straight and make rational decisions that benefit their position (expect drug dealing obviously).
I honestly believe that this isn't a problem. I think if the characters in a show are intended to make bad decisions and written like they should make bad decisions then it shows good writing. If characters are supposed to be good people and make dumb/bad decisions that are portraied as them doing a good thing that shows bad writing (see the flash from like season 4 on) And also, Ali, Rues lil sis and mom are characters I'd like to see flashed out. I think the show in general is good, with some small issues that are mainly pacing and/or unpredictability (the last thing isn't actually bad it's just annoying as fuck). And saying that the drug dealer is the one making the rational decisions is kind of a contradiction in itself...
rue sucks too but i think we aren't supposed to support her lol
*Most of the show is literally just about these characters (teens) being immature, their mistakes, bad decisions, etc.*
You: Why they no decent judgment ? *pikachu face* Me not entertained
I find it funny how a 12/13 year old drug dealer is more mature than the high schoolers 😄
@@ashleygomez8369 ashtray had to grow up real quick
I really REALLY like the idea of noel posting about whatever is on his mind, it reminds of the streams so pls keep it going king
I like watching this type of analysis from noel. I feel like he has a lot to offer regarding cinematography in relation the the storyline because I would’ve never looked at it from that pov. usually when people say they don’t relate to it I would just write them off as not being experienced, not that the flashy colors took them out of story. Nice job.
Season 2 comes across as more dark and anxiety ridden with less of the redeeming qualities of season 1. I saw an article that described the whole season as a slow heart attack
Love that description
This is accurate lol. This season gives me anxiety
Accurate. It causes me extreme anxiety and second-hand embarrassment and discomfort. It’s a train wreck you can’t look away from..
theres nothing INNATELY wrong with a show about "teenagers" havin a tough time, but if one viewpoint has drug dealing + brutal murderviolence, and all the others dont, youre immediately making everyone else's stakes feel REALLY low
Well the others also have domestic abuse, family trauma, and personal trauma so it's not that bad
@Sammie J- Beater of Wives and Animals it's for EMPHASIS like it's completely OBVIOUS 😂 lol
@Sammie J- Beater of Wives and Animals It's to emphasize. Usually it's done with italics, but since that can't be done here, capitalization is the best option.
@@Whitedudeabove it _Can_ be done though
@marc gaslighting character’s emotions?? Lmao check your real person privilege I guess
I felt the same way about season two until episode 5 came out. I’m a recovering addict, and a lot of the time the show definitely seemed to glorify drug use in my eyes, but I didn’t shy away bc it showed the good and bad sides. But episode 5 was so intense and relatable to me, and it was fucking sad. Rue obviously has overdosed, and been an addict for the entirety of the show but this episode really showed her rock bottom in my opinion, I don’t know coming from an addict it just felt so real to me.
All that aside, this kind of stuff can be hard to watch for someone in recovery, so if you are just be careful going in.
Totally agree 1st season was actually really good but this second season has been mid so far, only storyline i'm actually enjoying following rn is Nate's dad, and fez's. Feel like the others haven't progressed much and are getting repetitive.
"You do probably remember going to a party and you do probably remember it being a good time."
Noel, I spent high school trying to get a robotics scholarship to gtfo. I didn't know high school parties were real until people talked about them in college and I thought they were exaggerating
It depends on your culture. In my country people are drinkvodka and some folks smoke weed. That's all.
90s house parties were the shit back then. Imagine they're turbo dope now.
yesss, euphoria is definitely becoming more meta and aware of its popularity and im so glad Noel called it out because I havent seen any criticism
whats to criticize? i don't understand how a show being self-aware is bad like what lmao
@@cinemasprite it’s the fact that they commented on it in the last episode, it was weird af
@@ginakarsten995 nah it was artistic af and pushing the envelope on what a show can be, a dialogue between the show and the audience where they literally address the points fans have been making its called breaking the fourth wall not weird at all
@@cinemasprite yea maybe, and don’t get me wrong, i still thought it was a good episode, it just felt out of place to what euphoria is
@@cinemasprite personally it took me out of it
It's just...unnecessarily dark when it doesn't need to be, it also tries to somehow make Jules seem like a good person, when she isn't at all, she basically manipulated Rue and when Rue called her out for being manipulative, she just stalked off. And then we get the whole Fez and Ash murdering people, which then switches to some highschool romance bullshit, like the tone is way off, it just feels rushed.
It’s really interesting that he uses the word nostalgia because the second season was filmed using discontinued Kodak Ektachrome because the director wanted this season to feel dreamy, exactly like a memory
You put the ashtray violence thing into words perfectly, could not agree more.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND watching the two “special episodes” after Season 1 and before S2 if you haven’t already. Both are more intimate character portraits of Rue and Jules and filmed differently from the rest of the show.
...and all of the Enter Euphoria after show material. It's pretty enlightening. if you don't have HBO Max, it's here on CZcams.
shits an hour long I don't got time for that shit
I literally can’t watch either of those episodes without falling asleep
i’m watching them right now the jules one is kinda boring 😭😭😭
@@ellasworld4214 That's valid. I guess it depends on what you're interested with regards to the show. It's more muted and doesn't have the exciting cinematography of the show. It does, however, add more depth to Jules's struggles.
As a recovering herion addict and pretty much everything addict, being in high school while going through all that I related to so much of it. The feelings and emotions in the show are cranked to 1000 because as a teenager on drugs, having sex, embarrassed, or in a relationship that’s the way you feel in those moments. It’s pretty hard for me to watch so I have to take it slow or I’m gonna end up dead dumpster somewhere, but it really captured the intense emotions I felt through out that time in my life.
I have never seen Noel be so genuine lol
I want a young Cal spinoff so bad, the chemistry those two actors have is amazing, I was fully immersed in that short-story that I forgot I was watching euphoria.
Yes yes yes!
same!!
i really hope this next season has derek come back as an adult. i think it would be interesting to see how that would develop cal’s character
the whole time of cal onscreen i just thought.... theres facebook, you could find him if you wanted.?
you were not wrong about the writing noel, the way this new season is going its a whole mess and the show isn't picking up from the previous season plots because the actors and director got a bit too much ego and they had to rewrite and reshoot scenes for more than a year
a lot of that is rumours though ..
Also, a few actors have mentioned how they were shocked and surprised with the way the story was going. Zendaya even mentioned in an interview that she called sam (writer) to talk about some things. The way some of them talk about it seems like they weren't exactly happy where things were going.
Like Algee Smith (McKay) left the show (people were speculating it was because he was anti vax, but it got debunked) and he's liking tweets dissing the show.
There's also rumors that certain actors complained about their characters not having enough screen time.
Who really knows. But I'm really curious about what went on behind the scenes.
Edit: I meant Algee was written off
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My bad, that's what I meant. I edited it, thanks 👍
@@Faith-bl6tm was there a reason he was written off? I wished they would've at least explained or gave areason as to why his character suddenly disappeared.
This isn't true at all. People read a lipstick alley comment from an anonymous source that was later proven to be false but are still spreading around that misinformation because y'all dont know how to fact check and like that drama
I literally was rue. Been to rehab twice so this show made me cry every episode. It is insanely accurate when it comes to overdoses and NA and her relationship with her mom
How can I boost this comment because it is PISSING ME OFF how lots of top comments are “I’m in high school and it is nothing like euphoria. The show is unrealistic.”
@@alenanela1743 people don't realize that it's outrageous on purpose, but it's the serious stuff that's accurate. Even down to the abu$e
No piece of media has made me feel so seen as Rue's going to the bathroom sequence. It is those mundane things that are aweful to focus on while in a depressive episode.
I think the show is exaggerated and dramatized, but by being that way, it effectively recreates the feeling of being edgy in high school, cause everything feels way bigger than it is as a teenager.
Excellent point
This ! I definitely also think adolescents has a way of exaggerating your experiences and this show does that well
Yes, this is exactly how I feel about it too. I can relate to most of the scenes because, in my head, that's how I remember those high school/teenager moments feeling. I think when people say the show is unrealistic they are looking at it too literally.
Exactly, it's like Skins, as a teenager you feel things more viscerally than when you're older.
I mean yes and no because messed up stuff do happen to teenagers. Also I don't think it's necessarily teengaers being dramatic and exaggerating when they are experiencing new and confusing and even painful things for the first time. I think in hindsight and as adults it seems exaggerated and dramatic because we have been through it an dnow how to deal with it now. But when you are a teenager in those moments it is real and affecting you in a real way. I just think some older people as usual become unsympathetic and dismisive because they've been through it and now that they are for some of them safe and survived those experiences the memories of the experience seems not so bad or unimportant.
also sometimes the nudity is excessive like the intention feels half assed n i can’t justify why we’re lingering there outside of shock factor but it’s just distracting atp
I have been really enjoying these types of videos. I often shuffle Noel’s vids when I am drawing or doing my homework. It’s cool to hear true opinions that aren’t roasts, and I have learned a lot too! I have autism and it is really cool to see him talk about things he is genuinely into, it is much easier to understand for me. ^__^
"when is that 12-year-old gonna get violent again?" welp!!!!!!!!!!!
“If you ignore the characters, it’s a good show” Nolan
apparently during filming season 2 some of the actors fell out with each other, particularly i heard hunter (jules) and jacob (nate) were supposed to have a lot of scenes together but hunter refused to film with him for whatever reason. also the actress that plays kat was upset with her storyline and fought with the director so a lot of her scenes were cut. this season feels a bit messy and i think that's a large reason as to why
Where is the professionalism lol did everyone get cocky ?
@@lynninfinite yeah that sounds so unprofessional and immature
Wow how soft can you be to refuse to film a scene with a fellow actor no matter how much you dislike them
@@lynninfinite I think a lot of actors end up getting attached to their character and envision what they want to do with their character in following episodes, and sometimes this clashes with the directors and screenwriters outcomes. They’re being paid to work though so I understand both sides.
That’s tough because I was really looking forward to the progression of the Nate/Jules dynamic. Easily the most complex out of any relationship in Season 1 imo.
You need to make more videos like this, people on the internet have always the same takes, this was refreshing
I just finished binging it, and I realized that I really see myself in a lot of these characters, especially Rue. Of course not that extreme, but still. It made me step aside for a second and think about times in my life that things similar to the show happened to me. I personally really enjoyed watching it
i think season 2 is just getting a little clouded because they're not giving other characters enough screen time - kats outburst was one of my favourite parts of the show so far and I actually enjoyed lexus little movie bit i thought it was fun. I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the into backstory thing bc honestly I don't care about cal jacobs like just give me more maddy bro
lexis play bit WAS AWESOME and i agree.. wayyyy too much focus on cassie and why did we get like 10 minutes of Maddy literally just babysitting :/
what D: I care about cal
a little angus clouded, if you will
HARD DISAGREE that cal's backstory was genuinely so awesome and sad
Episode 2 didn’t have a backstory though just a glimpse into nates mind. So, I think now it’s more of a look into a character for 10 min each episode, with there being some backstory intros
The storyline I care the most about in this second season is Fez and Lexi
No same. I would love to see them together
I’ve been a teenager who’s experienced the majority of the issues that happen in euphoria…this stuff matters to those who actually experienced it stuff like this and I appreciate that you made this video. This is the one show where I feel like they’re actually trying to help people who have gone through some fucked up a shit.
Keep doing stuff like this, quick show reviews/break downs
Bros comment section is going to turn into a war zone with that title.
What does ‘’mid” mean in this context?
@@FrazerBoorman average
@@FrazerBoorman “mid” in this context means he’s basically saying “is Euphoria really all that?”
@@VeryClaireThompson ah cool, thanks :P
I think Noel’s kinda nailed it. The show is in many ways carefully touching upon pretty heavy subject matter, but the cinematography does at times make it seem romanticised
@@FrazerBoorman personally, I’ve never watched the show, so I wouldn’t know. However, from what I’ve heard, it’s a good show. My family has a history with drug issues, so the content is slightly triggering for me. But if it touches on the consequences of doing drugs and other issues right, I have no problem with it.
I have never expected that Noel would make a video about Euphoria...everything is possible
Man, I loved how season one was raw and upfront to a fault talking about mental illness. And I really appreciated that, considering teen shows/movies tend to be awfully patronizing about these themes. And I cherished that and was thankful for it cause I saw myself in there many times… but that was 2019, I was better. Through the pandemic my mental health really deteriorated and right now I don’t know if seeing something like Euphoria would affect me in a bad way. But this season is shot on film and the cinephile that wasn’t completely pulverized by isolation still lives in me and craves that shit, haha. Anyone reading this has had a similar experience with mental illness and watching feel-bad stories? I loved that shit pre-mental breakdown. Right now I can’t stand it. It’s painful.
agree!!! i also love how aesthetically pleasing some of the scenes are, like that little snippet of cassie with a bunch of flowers in the back and all around her, cassie being entangled in those balloons and dancing at maddys bday, and in s1 when rue and jules take those insane drugs and rue cries glitter. i feel like some people dont appreciate the effort that goes into that shit
I really enjoyed season 1 as well, I think people overlook how well the show explores the driving force of gender in the characters lives. With Jules and Nate especially it's really interesting to see the ways gender and sexuality drive both of their development and childhood trauma and influence their behaviour now. I also think the look at depression and addiction we get with Rue is very valuable. I feel represented in terms of the way they've shown depression completely shapes your understanding of reality. And I have so much empathy and care for Rue as she struggles through addiction, it really showed me how thin of a line any of us are away from using drugs to cope with life.
Ok
I love euphoria but agree with you about this season so far, it’s kinda hard to tell what the timeline is and it’s all kinda messy with all of the backstories (the only ones allowed are fez’s and cal’s). My point is the main storyline is hard to follow in my opinion
euphoria's timeline is difficult to follow at times but i think it's also due to rue being the one narrating everything that's happening in the show. these are recollections of rues life and situations that she found out about from the people around her. how everything is smushed together and seems like all of these events are happening in one week - it accurately depicts rue's flawed concept of time due to her battle with addiction & mental illness.
I am so unbelievably happy that he mentioned Sydney Sweeney screen time versus the prosthetics
noel speedrunning the age restriction with those first 30 seconds
i feel like this show walks a very fine line. season one was amazing but they could very easily lose the trajectory of where the show was going. I think if they get too grandiose and lose the mindset that this show is supposed to be about teenagers doing teenager things it’ll lose the relatability of the characters and the plot. Love fez and ash, also want a show purely about them.
loved the commentary noel, you put words to my thoughts
It still is tho. Think about it..
Cassie is going through day after day trying to impress a boy who really dosent care about her, ik alot of ppl wont admit it but i know alot of girls and even guys who have done what cassie dose (not as exessive ofc) just to get a 2 second look as them and their crush pass in the hallway.
Kat is not only struggling with body positivity but also sex in general. Shes confused on why she dosent want a guy who is so perfect, mewhile dreaming of some sex warrior. Ik alot of girls who say that in highschool they were told they arent suppose to think ab sex, that girls arent supposed to have sex or whatever but they want to, and they think ab it often, so some people can relate to her.
Nate is just an asshole but hes also struggling with sex, his sexuality, and seeing what his father dose to kids and now being hyperseual because of it , and how his father acts towards him in general. I feel like all nates problems are pretty self explanitory and even if alot of people dont realte to him as a whole, they probably relate with some small aspect of him and his charachter.
The list just goes on, but yea id say the show is still very relatable, its just also wildly exaggerated because it is a tv show ofc.
Wait till Noel finds out the kid playing Ashtray is a fighter
WHAT
I actually am really enjoying season 2 so far. This show surprisingly I can relate to a lot. Many people think it’s over exaggerated and I can admit at some points yes. But this just shows how different everyone’s lives are. Many people do experience one or two things in this show and some a majority of the things that occur. I especially like how they showed Rues struggle with relapse. This is how addicts really do act and sometimes a lot lot worse. I’m glad they’re showing teens and adults how damaging it can be for not only the addict but the family and loved ones as well.