New diesel vs old petrol DRAG and ROLLING RACE: Volvo V90 D5 2017 vs 850 T5 1995 -which is quicker?
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2017
- Can a modern diesel engine thrash an older petrol engine when it comes to performance? Watch as we line up our diesel 2017 Volvo V90 D5 against a petrol 1996 Volvo 850 T5 in a drag race and rolling race. Will 20 years of development leave the 225hp 850 eating the 235hp V90's dust? Or can petrol power always trump diesel? There’s only one way to find out… race!
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the old volvo will outlive the new volvo.
But it consumes more fuel
@@eriktenhag2022 And?
@@MarcelloTheBandit wat?
@@eriktenhag2022 Old Volvos, especially the 240, 740, 940 V70 / 855 can live basically forever. Never be surprised if you see volvos run over 600,000 Km's. So honestly who gives a shit about fuel economy when you have a 20 year old car that has been daily driven for 20 years and probably can daily drive for ANOTHER 20 years. - Your neighbourhood Swede.
@@KomBackHordz I agree. I have a 2006 Volvo S60 T5 geartronic auto. It had 77,060 miles when I signed the papers in November of 2015. It now has 159k something and it's getting a full restore. do88 intercooler, OE radiator, Hutchinson OES engine mounts, FAG wheel bearings (sadly SKF was another $60 per bearing, so I couldn't swing them), Lemföroder front lower control arms rear control arm bushings, AND outer tie rods, Meyle HD front lower ball joints and brake hoses, OE oil cooler seals (sadly no Focus RS500 oil cooler though), Continental overflow and miscellaneous cooling hoses (50ft bulk roll for $22), Pierburg TCV, and finally a 3.5" to 3" catted exhaust with a Magnaflow 3" straight through round muffler. I already have new hood and trunk struts, Bilstein shocks and struts, and Motul ATF. Tell me I can't get another 14 years out of her. (And yes the Timing belt kit was done at 106k with an Aisin pump and Continental belt.)
The sound of the straight five petrol engine makes all the difference. The 850 T5 is a nice classic.
I like the way you speak, chap! The Volvo 850 T-5 has been giving us so much happiness for 30 years! 😉
That 850 is extremely clean
It's a car from 95-96. I think we can forgive it 🤣
@@Zirkobi mine is cleaner and its a 93 one
The old T5's design just doesn't get old. It still looks great!
It’s outdated
Totally agree! Still in love
It looks like something that came out in 2010
@@dhio9615 no it does not. It looks like it came out in the late 80's or early 90,s. Not saying that it looks bad, just that it looks old. If you compare it to e46 it looks so much older, eventhough they are pretty much the same age
@@KorpiSoturi1 no it doesn't. That car does not look old
Should have done a in car sound test. That T5 motor would have sounded a lot sweeter on the boil than the D5.
That T5 engine is so amazing. I wish they would bring it back to the new V90 series and V8 for the XC90
although i like the sound of the non turbo 20v better than the one from the t-5. At least with stock exhaust and airfilter.
Anvil75 10v sound even better than 20v imo.
I know; I love the appearance of the new V90 (especially the Cross Country), but the engine in my 2000 V70 just sounds so good that I can't fully bring myself to like the new one.
I owned an N reg 850 T5 auto. Picked up at 159000 miles, 1 owner from new who had always main dealership service and changed oil every 5000 to look after that engine and turbo. Even had main dealer receipts for bulb replacement 😂Anyway I continued the 5K oil changes and sold the car on with 260000 miles on the clock. Amazing engine 5 cylinder just nicer to drive/sound than a 4 cylinder shame Volvo ditched it no mount for all this emissions nonsense. Ok, the engine had an old smell and was smoking on boost when I sold it but that was honestly all and who could complain on those miles!!! Drivers seat had lots of wear by then, boot struts were shot and paint faded on the spoiler but that was it. Amazing I've not owned a BMW or Merc so don't know if any of their petrol engines last like that Volvo unit.
that 5cylinder Volvo engine is one of the best ever.
Who cares, the old one has a 5 cylinder and that is all that matters...
VIZIN #Bounce the new one is worth 20 times more that’s all that matters
5 sylinder is the best engine you can possible have!
Cylinder*
I do miss my 2.5T ford Mondeo 5 pot. Taken from Volvo I believe. Also used in the first focus Rs
That car in 10-15 years time will be worth nothing more than scrap value because it’s a peice of shit. While the old Volvo will still be running
Not many cars look better than an old boxy Volvo estate
Yes that is what Abraham Lincoln used to say.
The 850 T5 has one of the best engines from the 90's.
Along whith saabs b234r
Original is better(Audi).
Only wagon in the euro touring car championships... thats how good the engine was
Linus No....Volvo b230....Absolutely.
boxer from subaru and this 850 were one of the best yeah confirmed by top gear (interview about the 90s cars)
If maintained properly, this 850 will outlive the shiny new one. Plus the sound from the old 5 cylinders Volvo engines is so sweet.
I’ve got an 850T5. It does 19 mpg round town, I can squeeze 33 on a run. It’s the best car I’ve ever owned and I’ve had dozens over the years. In 12 years it’s never failed an mot or failed to start or gone wrong. Fantastic gas guzzler
I'd still prefer the old 850 Volvo
Rayya Davino RLY??? GET A BRAIN UPDATE!!!!
Same
Matthew Kristen beacuse it's always awesome to have an old turbocharged volvo
Rayya Davino Well... Okay, I is actually nice I think, because I like the old cars so yeah, It's nice.
Matthew Kristen his not little kiddo like you that just wants money and ferraris..
Volvo should've continued with the T5's.. My all time favourite engine! Sounds soooo gooood!
Sadly the EU put an end to that engine with the ever stricter emission regs, Volvo just couldn't get that wonderful 5 cylinder to meet those targets !
I love when the 850 pulls ahead the v90. The driver of the V90 looks like a typical driver for that car
I loooove 850. Probably my favourite car of all time.
Maxu88 I hope you're joking
You haven't been exposed to many cars then
I still have one 😊
the taste is like the butt as we say here in sweden but 850. most people would say some m3 or 911 or something but yeah xD
It's decent but not that great
I cannot stop thinking about it but that Volvo looks so beautiful. There is nothing else like it on the road!
Peter Ambrose 850?
S90
V90/S90
Peter Ambrose probably it is not the only one. But is one of the best for sure
The 850? Yup, the 850.
Gotta love the five cylinder engine
T5 rocks 🤘🏻
Signed: mk2 Focus ST owner
T5 rocks!!!
Signed: V50 T5 AWD owner.
kubarro T5 rocks!
Signed S40 T5 awd rd owner.
Burning oil your username doesnt fill me with confidence
B Ki made this name when I drove a Subaru 😁
Burning oil well the same applies to that except if the Subaru was 2 stroke swapped XD
Having owned far too many cars over the years my old 850 T5, long gone i'm afraid, nick named the flying brick is in my top 5. The mid range pull on those especially in third was fantastic and went like the starship enterprise, police used to use them as pursuit vehicles. Hilariously quick and handled pretty well but not in snow, nearly played tennis with a mini the way the back end swung round on a roundabout.
Really enjoyed this one! Good fun!
More of these comparisons please
Annoying how Volvo still call it a D5, it's not.. it's a D4...
sonconmas that’s what I was thinking?!?
Mines a d5 2.4 20v 5pot not a bloody 2.0 4pot!!! Haha
I'm with you guys on this one.
Same nonsense logic use Audi nowadays. Some random numbers on boot, nothing informative anymore, so better not at all.
My 1997 Volvo V70 is a 5-pot too. Without turbo though. Which is preferable from my point of view
Toyota had likely copyrights to "d4"
Volvo's 2.3lt T5 was a thoroughbred turbo petrol engine, characterful 5 cylinder sound and proper high-rev pull, not like todays efficient small turbo-small lag rubbish sounding eco cars. I used to drive a Volvo S60 T5 and i still miss that engine badly.
do a retro review on the volvo 850
Dylan Ch'ng Yes please!
I have 850 -94 sedan. Cool car
The 850 launch was SHOCKING! I pull onto a 4-post lift more aggressively than that!
yeah right, replace the 850 driver and it will smoke the new 90, 850 has a lot of potential
however as far as I know the 850 T5 had NO limited slip (Torsen
yeah, traction was always a problem with the T5s and with old Turbo SAABs, you can actually get on it in 3rd gear, not sooner
Yea he could of had him off the start easy he sandbagged. You'd of heard it
This is exactly the type of comparisons I like, old vs new. Thumbs up. Subscribed.
loved this video! more of this please
Swedish Volvo vs Chinese Volvo
Actully half swedish half american
The 850 is American, according to you, because at the time Volvo was owned by Ford, the same way it's owned by Geely now. All of the engineers are still and have always been Swedish.
V90 is actually made in Sweden. Built from scratch to its whells and engine.
Source I work in Volvo car manufactuer in Sweden
@@kes_r expect some parts to be ford since they had the mondeo/fusion/falcon which is pretty familiar.
@@kes_r I mean the v50 is just a focus. Same with the engine in the mk2 focus RS made by volvo.
Nice to see the old legendary T5 can still play! 😀
That five cylinder sound though 👌
The style of the 850 is much better looking.
Why haven't you reviewed that Volvo XC60 that you said you were going to do some videos on? Or are you waiting to give it back before you start?
Vic Sandhu completely forgot about that! Wonder if they still have it
awesome!
Looking forward to more such comparisons :-)
Rather have the 850 t5
Congrats on 500k
Congrats on the 500 subs Matt
Mat pls review that 850 as if it were the 90s again, it would make for a super cool throwback vid.
As an 850 owner this was a fantastic race! And love the V90 as well.
How could you like that, they didn't even floored the 850, did you hear wheel spin, or reving?? It annoys me, the 850 drives of like looking for a place to parc.
MrTruth111 yea seems at least that they didn't floor it from stand still, but just to see this comparison is nice
So many awesome comments on the 850 and the T5 engine :) it's refreshing to see !
Love my 850R ! Definitely a wolf in sheep clothing 🦊
Congrats on 500k subscribers , you definitely deserve more .
Love old Vs new style videos - more like this, please!
A 20 year old car have lost a lot of performance over the years and will never do 0-60 in 7 seconds like it used to...
Mine lost 2 bhp in 16 years and almost 400 000 kms.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but the owner has recently spent more money than is remotely sensible on an extensive engine rebuild.
30-40 yr old car yes, not this volvo and other late 90s cars with a good service history! They were underrated a touch anyway and could easily crack 7 seconds. My teg still makes the same power it did 19 years ago with only regular oil changes and tappets adjusted. My Vette makes well over its stated hp aswell. Youre wrong.
Serviced properly to keep it in tune it shouldn't loose any power. In fact with better quality fuel today it could be better.
Not true.
All the T5 needs is a tune and it would smoke that V90
Maybe, but I think mat deliberately avoided putting the V90 Auto into 'Sports mode' that would have changed the outcome, the fact he didn't even mention it tells me that was the case ! So not really a true reflection of the V90's capabilities ! But mat does make a habit of doing this sort of thing when you watch many of his videos, it's what he doesn't tell you that you have to watch out for !
Volvo V90 and 855 fighting
Volvo 245: Yes im back
Should do this again but with the 850 T5-R
The T5 was a really nice car.
So what we have learned? That £30k new car can match 20 years old car which costs £500? Well done... who would have tough so?
LP its a lot more than 30k lol
And them t5 Volvos are going for alot more then £500 aswell!
@@conzyeire2887 i got a mint 855 t5r for $1000 just a few years ago
T5 850 manual for £500...... Maybe 10 years ago I'd believe that but they're worth a few grand now.
I just love the sound of that T5 5 cylinder.
Haha love this vid! Nice work boys
Give me the older T5 anytime. The new Volvo are not as good as the older ones
Is that T5 for sale??????
I would kill for one of those in mint condition
Miguel Iniguez I have one identical to this and it’s in mint condition, never even had a tow bar fitted to it. My other 850 T-5 is Tropic Green.
Miguel Iniguez .... I have a better one :) better condition , a 850 R , 250hp original
Lol, I always see these cars in a pretty decent condition for sale all over Europe for some cheap price. Unlike most of similarly old cars with similar mileage, these cars are bulletproof unless crashed :-)
Somewhere two grandparents are missing their wagons....
The standing start drag race was a foregone conclusion.
Ol'skool Volvo looks much better :)
Well the 850 have most likely lost a few ponys over the years, besides, the 850 is lots more fun to drive! :)
Would a 850R win maybe?
Was the 850R AWD, Or was that only the V70R that came after it? If it is AWD then it would have the advantage at launch simply by having a little more power and being able to put it down.
@@wetlettuce4768 850R is as far as i know RWD, but had more power and was lots more sporty
Looked it up and the 850R was FWD, AWD came with the V70.
Wow !
The days before the air strip and the lady saying 3...2...1
Even doing a rolling race after after the drag, glad this channel progressed to what it is today
Is that the guy from Straightpipes who drove the 850?
Conclusion: Save some money and buy a old one for 4k
Alex Pennert Hope you mean 4k Swedish kronor and not US dollar.
Do xc90 t8 vs 850 r. Oh wait
WoW. We wasn’t expecting that! Old is gold
Immortal brick
Rolled off the factory line in 1996 and still alive and well.
The 850 is my favorite Volvos of all time
Yeah think mine too
Needed a t5r awd
Yep.
Doesn't exist.
1998 V70R AWD Manual, good luck finding one :-)
Plenty here in Sweden! Even though they are in ROUGH shape these days after all kids buy em to have fun.
Yeah i mean't the V70R Awd dunno if they came in manual though!
My dad had a 1987 740 turbo intercooler estate was so cool impossibly rare these days!
We need a review on that 850!
Great video!!!
Interesting 👍🏻
Volvo for life.
500k subs...dude, you're gonna hit the million mark in no time👍
I love this channel.
You guys are proper car guys.
You all enjoy the work and it never seems like you guys are working, but rather just having a laugh. Which, in the car world, is what it's all about!! That older Volvo is beautiful by the way!
I prefer the old one
yes but you can tune the 850 to 500hp , can you tune the diesel to 500hp , i doubt it
Frost Zemun 500 is easy. It's not uncommon to see t5 that punches 1000+.
Congrats for 500k subs
Everyone missed these gems
god that v90 is sexy
A sexy Volvo? That will be the day.😂😂😂
Johan Arvidsson there isn’t a Volvo that isn’t sexy
340 440 480 v40 v50 c30 goes on and on and on and on.
Yet another ridiculous test. Put the new one against a Volvo 850R.
Standard diesel in the range vs the absolute top end performance model 850...whats the point in that?
put the 850R against the T8 Polestar, performance model vs performance model and see what happens
I remember hearing one of these in a car meet, had an exhaust and dump valve and it sounded like a jet fighter!! Wicked engine 👌
Most quiet drag race on Earth.
Doesnt matter old cars are still better and more fun
Conclusion: you get the same features from a 20 year old car that goes for a song
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. SO MUCHHHH. 👍👍👍👍👍
20 years of evolution right there
It’s nice the new one
5 cylinder>4 cylinder
I got a 1996 855 (estate) and a 1995 854 (saloon).
Love the old 850....I had a 850 T5R in 1996-98, dark green station. Made various BMW drivers very upset 😃
Old vovlo was better and stronger. And diesels stupidly expensive.
Loving the 850 love here. You just know the 850 will outlast the current crop of Geely Volvos, and the T-5 was an absolute beast at the time. Repeat the test with a 240bhp 850R and see how the V90 fares...
Oh yes, and the noise... No Diseasel will ever sound as good as a 5-cylinder petrol engine on full chat!
U should do a manual diesel vs old petrol
The V90 is a nice car, but with that sweet 5-cylinder, and not being jam-packed with unnecessary electronics... I'd gladly choose the 850.
The old car is much more fun and does not cause as much Cancer with it`s emissions, so where is the real progress? In reality Things got worse, nowadys cars just exist to brag with numbers and Image, while they feel boring and have horrible, much more harmful for humans emissions.
That old car looks so much better
no it does not look better just because its older doesent mean its nicer, only + side is that it has a 5 cyl thats it
BarryEssex AHAHHAA NOPE
No it doesn’t
I completly agree nothing beats those simple old box cars
I love old cars but new Volvos look very nice imo
I do love the new volvo but a little disappointed with the performance and the trend of having less cylinders. There is no replacement for displacement
i need a second carwow channel for older/used car reviews since that's all i can probably afford 😂😅😐😢😭
May be the most slowest drag race in history 😂😜
SUDHEER Zapper what do u expect for any car really with the smallest engine.. the t8 which basically is what everyone has does 0-100 in 4.5 seconds... and thats really not slow
For those who could care less of course
SUDHEER Zapper do that with a polestar v60 and 850 t5 R 😎😉
FsAviX The D4 is the smallest. And the t8 is not the most common.
Emil Muhrman in norway t8 is like 70% of sales for 2018 models
DIESEL POWER!!
still would never see a diesel race car
audi tdi le mans car ^^
well a few...
can it rev to 20,000 RPM like an f1 car?
lol ikr
Great video! How about a comparison between your Porsche and a new Porsche now?
Smiles per gallon are waaaay higher in the T5, and that sound
Love the 29mpg for the T5 hahaha I used to drive one years ago and I think not....great car though a legend!
I'm an Volvo mechanic and i love almost every model. But i have to say, its a little bit of bullshit to compare a diesel with an petrol one espacially if the diesel has more hp and torque...
but nevermind its a video about Volvos and i love it.
Sorry for my spelling, english is not my mother tongue :D
What a shock - an all-wheel drive turbo diesel beats an old turbo petrol off the line
When it comes to fun The old one is much better because it is not so overassisted and it sounds much better and it is also lighter. But the new one is more comfortable and better for daily driving since it has all the new features.