How To Choose The Correct Size Electric Mountain Bike | EMTB Sizing Explained
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 15. 06. 2024
- Buying the right sized E-Bike is essential. In this video, Steve Jones explains how to choose the right frame size as well as how subtle changes to parts of your bike can affect the way it feels and performs when you're riding. The frame 'Reach', as well as adjustment to the saddle and handlebars all, have an impact on how a bike feels and handles. As sizing is a personal decision, what's perfect for one rider may not be great for another. Hopefully, this video helps shed some light on all of these things to help you make the best decision when deciding what size is best for you.
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Do you have any tips for anyone trying to find the right size E-Bike? What size and brand do you ride? Would you go bigger or smaller next time? đ€ Let us know your thoughts đ
brilliant video, I'm thinking of buying a 2021 Trek Powerfly 4 625w in Large, I'm 6 foot and the stats say it's the right size...I'll be buying it online so won't be able to check...
for info in the past I've had a trek 950 and 4900 in 18 inch frames, and currently got a 2016 scott scale (29 inch wheels) which is a large..
Please if you can put the same info on the Canyon website for the same bike as you did in the video? It will recommend you size M. Any idea on what is going on with Canyon sizing?
Size charts are not very usefull. One brand recommands a medium the other a large for the same size frame. Look at the reach and stack of a bike and decide how long you want those to be
Just bought a Levo S5. Iâm six feet and I think itâs too big.
@@HIPP024 useful vs usefull , recommends vs recommands.
I wanted to buy a ebike for 2 year's , test rode a Giant that i liked , but the shop that is now out of business couldn't get me one ! So after trying every shop around, and with no luck for 6 months. I bought the first e bike i could find . A Specialized turbo sl. Wish it had more range but its been a blast !
I am 6'2" and the Kenevo S5 works perfectly for me. Testing both S5 and S4 Kenevo at my dealer was very usefull and relevant to me. Rode first the S5 and it felt fairly long. After I tested the S4, I came back to S5 and lived happily ever after. :) With a longer reach I'm feeling very confident on downhills and I have enough room when pedaling long segments or uphill.
Although whyte recommend a large for my height (183cm) I went with the XL e-160 and I love the spacious feeling, as you said the fit is more important really. A few saddle adjustments and bar tilts later and the bike feels perfect for me. Long rides are a joy and downhill/trail sections are incredibly stable!
Very informative video as there is definitely quite a few factors when choosing a frame size
My kind of bike shop! Great info, thanks Steve!!
You guys do such a great job.... keep it up!!!
I'm 6 foot tall and find my large Lapieere Overvolt with reach of 454 is perfect. At first I thought it was too big but soon realized the geometry is just right.
Thanks Steve very good information.
Sound advice at 5 10" I was between med and large,I went for large and although a slightly smaller bike might be a bit better on the technical bits for general riding and esp longer rides the large is great.
I am 5'9" tall and rode a large Rocky Mountain Sherpa before I got my E-Bike. I'm glad I demoed the E-Bike before I got it, I ended up going with a medium Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay that feels great. I swap bikes frequently and the fit feels pretty much the same. Take the time to test ride bikes before you buy, well worth it.
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Brilliant video on bikes that as helped me thank youđđș
Good video and thank u 4 it! Btw whatÂŽs up with the masks snd the neck scarf?
I am currently in the same dilemma with a Meta Power SX I fall right in the middle of a Medium and a Large. At 5â10.5â with a inseam of 32â I am right on the boarder. Commencal says to size down and get a longer stem, others said you can go large and use shorter stem.
Certainly ride each youâve narrowed it down to. At 6â1â I ride a large Pedego Elevate FS.
Iâm in the process of pre-ordering a medium Santa Cruz Bullit. Iâm 5â5 & currently own a medium 2019 Bronson (436 reach) & a 2017 Nomad (415 reach). Now, Iâm just a bit worried that the medium Bullit might be a bit too big for me with 450 mm reach. And to make it worse, thereâs no small frame option in Bullit range.
There are physical dimensions and just as important there are riding preferences. Some prefer a long slack bike for speed and forgiveness, some like a shorter bike reach, wheelbase, and chainstay for agility. The bike shop may be able to help but they are a business and may try to sell you what they have. I prefer a reach that usually falls in the "Large" range of brands. Almost every bike store will try to convince me to go up to a XL. I've tried them, I do not like them. An XL is not "more comfortable" just because it is an XL. A bike that fits you and your riding preferences will be the most comfortable. Where I ride the trails are tight and made up of small hills. You never really get the speed up to where a "smaller" bike's agility gets squirrelly. I am significantly slower on an XL. Learn the dimensions you like for your size, where you primarily ride, and preferred riding style and then pick the bike that "fits" you best. Borrow friends bikes, test rides, or try different stems and handlebars to help identify those numbers. Try different dimension bikes around your comfort zone. Pick the one that works best for you.
Well said Dave đ
Hi Dave, remember that what works on mtb doesn't always equate to emtb, particularly on stability. The reason for a longer bike is fatigue which is mainly due to the rider having to overcompensate on a bike that is too small. It's not about it being 'squirelly' as many people are led to believe. That you say you are 'significantly' slower on an XL is actually dependent on the brand right?
What do you mean over compensate?
Why does the Canyon website recommend a medium Spectral ON for me when I put in the same measurements as you ......72inch height 32 inch inseam ????? Itâs bizarre...I have to be 6 foot 3 before it recommends a large
I was wondering the same... It is really strange...
Hey Mick what did you end up getting? I put Steveâs measurements in today and it says medium ( not large) and my measurements of 6â and 34â inseam state medium. So just wondering if Canyon is correct and you go with their recommendations?
@@davidfilipovic4603 I bought the large and Iâm so glad I did. With the medium your dropper post will be nearly out of the frame
Thank you for the video! I'm looking to buy Cube Stereo Hybrid 160 HPC TM. I'm just as we speak in size crisis what to pick. I'm 182 cm and inseam is 85 cm what size would you pick for me ?
Im 5â11â and i got a large Rocky Mountain blizzard fatbike and it feels to long for me so i switched to a 35mm stem with taller bars , now it fits perfectly but i think the medium wouldâve been better. For me a reach between 455 to 465 is the sweet spot .
what do u think about the RAD bike size metode?
Canyon size chart is spot on!
If you put same info on Canyon chart now for the same bike as he did Canyon will recommend M size... It is weird.
works great in my shop and on road trips in my RV
At 5ft10/11 Iâve just bought my first Ebike and normally Iâd buy a large bike, but for the first time I decided to check out Giantâs sizing charts which indicated I was a medium so I opted for the medium,but on buying it the bike feels small, finding it difficult to adapt at the moment, Iâve altered several things to make it feel more comfortable and the changes are making a difference but gee wiz I really wish Iâd bought a large
I also bought a Giant (Reign) I was originally sized for a medium but it felt "off" so I got the large. I am making adjustments to it to get the feel right (riser bar to 35mm, shorter stem (from 50 to 35mm). Otherwise this bike is amazing, it climbs so well I look for difficult climbs to challenge myself and downhills are now really fun. I'm 6' and riding weight is 185lbs. I had a 1999 specialized XC Comp before getting this bike.
I've been told by my coach it will take a little time on the bike to adjust your riding style, not change just small adjustments. He said the amount to control you'll have moving the bike around and picking lines will be the big payoff. also the mechanic said its usually easier to modify a smaller bike than make a bigger bike feel smaller.
I currently have a large 2014 Santa Cruz 5010c. It came with a 70mm stem, but I reduced it to 45mm. So that's what I'm used to right now. I've ordered an Orbea Rise M10 Extra Large. The size was recommended to me by my local bike shop. I'm the exact same height as you at 6 ft with a 32" inseam. The size of the bike is my biggest worry. I don't know if it will be too large for me to handle or not. But your video has definitely helped me to understand sizing better and that I may just in fact be more comfortable with the XL Rise. Won't know until it arrives here in Calgary, Canada.
If its slightly too big you could easily move the saddle forward on the rails and/or fit a short 35mm stem. đ
Hi Steve,
Iâm hoping to get some help with a potential purchase of a YT DECOY PRO 29 in size XL that I can actually get this year from a friend.
At 6â3â Iâm in between XL & XXL on the YT chart. Iâve heard Steve on a couple of videos that its probably best to go for the larger size when in this situation. YT claims reach to be 482 on the XL , which is longer than the 475 on my current Santa Cruz HIGHTOWER. Do ya think Iâll be ok with the XL over the long term or should I wait til next year when I should be able to possibly check out/demo the YT in an XXL. Iââm sold on the Fox suspension and XT drivetrain spec for the money , but a little concerned about investing in a bike with an E8000 motor. Experienced thoughts and suggestions appreciated
It is a great video about size...it's too late for me to change but i ride on Orbea hs-25 size s/m (they dont have m) and my size is 178 cm. it feels fine for me - how do i know if i am wrong? their chart says i should have buy L.
Hi, im 178.5 cm tall and tried kenevo sl s3 which felt comfortable. As Im in between 2 sizes, I also tried S4 with shorter stem, it was not bad too. i have proportional body. Which size would you recommend? Thanks
I am 6'3" but with a 34" inseam. When using the Scott sizing app, it is suggesting me a XL if I ride neutral and large if I ride aggressively. The reach is 473 mm on the large and 500 mm on XL. The chainstay is the same throughout the sizes. I have absolutely no MTB experience, I am coming from a dirt bike world (WR450F) where there is no choice in size within a model and very little you can do in setup. I could adjust the handlebar stem further front which helped quite a bite while standing. Bottom line, I have ordered a large Scott Patron eride 920. Comments?
I am 5â9â 10st 7lb. I have my name down for trex rail 7 in large which the LBS says is correct size for me. I have nagging doubt I should go for the medium? I am coming from a 2011 s works stumpjumper in medium which I fell comfortable on. What are your views.Thanks.
Even though I dont have a EMTB, as for size if you go to big you will have problems with the seat height.
I have a Whyte in a medium I am 5'11 and I am fine with that size as I dont have long legs.
Its about the balance with your both feet on the floor once stopped. Go to big then you will be on your tip toes once stopped. On paper I should be on a Large but I felt more confident on the Medium. Plus I dont get any dirt on my dropper seals because its higher up out of the frame.
Even on the MTB magazines you see riders that are like 5'5 that are testing a size Large thats just crazy to me.
End of the day its what you feel confident in, everyone is different and some may prefer a bigger bike others may not. I came from a Large "20" frame hardtail with older geometry. My seat post was not even that high on that.
Hello,
I ride Kenevo Comp size S3, and i would definitley try an S4 size.
Don't by bikes on line, take your time, go to the bike shop tell the salesman your height and weight, what style of ride you like, try to sit on the bikes in the shop or even better, test them. That's it. đ
Hi, I love your show specially the good tips đđœ
My 2016 Giant reign has a frame size âLâ which was recommended and fits me perfectly and itâs my preferred choice for my downhill adventures (note: Iâm a rookie with 53 years)
Bought last year a Haibike hardtail, also a âLâ size... Best decision of my life đ€© for those longer rides and some single trails... Now I totally want to purchase a Fully EMTB... All the websites recommended a âMâ for my 1,80... which is making me nervous about my decision because I probably have to order it online ... what would you suggest?
Greetings from Bamberg-Bavaria
I'm shopping for a new bike as well, I'm leaning towards updating my Giant E Reign . I've been working from the Reach number. There's another number the RAD that has got me looking at a medium instead of the large. Joy of Bike has 2 good videos that explain this formula. Good Luck I'm going 1 size smaller and getting the medium, I ride enduro in the mountains of Lake Tahoe Ca.
Great video! I have been enjoying my Canyon Spectral CF with size XL for the last two years. Fits perfectly. Now I consider getting some extra E-MTB power with Spectral:ON but their site recommends an L for my 189 cm (6'2). Looking at the reach alone it should have been an XL again. What might be the difference?
I'm 180 cm, Giant was recommending size M, I was lucky enough not to listen, got L, and it's perfect for me!!! Get XL, trust me.
Canyon recommended small for my size 5â9, short legs. Went to their demo, medium Spectral fit perfectly, others trying out the bikes agreed that at times Canyon recommends a size small than what you may be used to.
I am 183 and i went with medium spectral with 445 reach and its perfect... I do not think that longer is better... this is exact reach as my previous specialized stumpjumper which is large... Check RAD sizing by Lee McCormack's..
Hi I'm 5'11" 70cm arms and 90cm inseam. Looking at getting a giant fathom e+2. I'm leaning towards large. Any thoughts/advice?
Hi Steve,I love to watch your chanel ,there are massive iteresting informationsđ.I ride on Scott strike eride 900 size Medium and I start wondering weather I picked right size as I 6ft,according to scott size chart my height is in between M/L.đŹ
Did you feel like you made the right call? I'm 6 like you. Have you tried to move the saddle all the way back?
I ride a Scott Strike eride 930 2021, I just bought it, I had a 910 2019 and always felt a little small, the new one I went for large, I am 5'10" and in between sizes, the large feels better, but I haven't taylor much on it yet.
Are you still happy with your upsize in the Scott strike? I'm 6 and have ridden both
Spot on Steve. But - I ended up with a Medium at my 6ft for my Moustache and Cube. They are rated for around 6 ft and 5â 11â respectively for Mediums as 47 cm and 46. Why? The price was right on the secondhand market and I new I could adjust the fit. So, the Moustache for instance has a 50 mm Defy clamp and 800 bars rolled vertical, and the seat back to the limit. It works well although I am the first to admit a Large would give more scope. Interestingly geometry has changed since 2015 with Moustache but a 2 degree offset slacker head bearing sorted the stability. Bottom line is you can make something work at the limits of the sizing guides but if at the higher limit for your height itâs best to go a size up.
Hey John, great to hear from you. Yes the old forward roll trials bar style will gain one sizing up...but you're right very often you can make fit work to a certain degree
Here in Arizona, USA. Be right over for an Expresso or Latte., and talk about what e-Bike I should get. have always had mountain bikes.
bought a size L having numbness of hands and wondering wether I should have gone with M no other complaints cornering not as nimble how do I email or contact you
I am 1.86 cm in height.
Normal built .
I really want a specialized levo ht comp hard tail.
What do you suggest for me ⊠L or XL.
I want to make average trips with it , hard roads , not extreme ones , want to sit fairly comfortable with the possibilty to do some bush works every now and then .
Thanks in advance
so....have a question .looking to buy the orbea wild 2023.i am 180 cm and riding now the wild 2022 on a Large. i tried the L and the M (back to back) and liked the Med size 2023 for more playfulness and poppines ...i am afraid it's going to be too small in the long run. ( the large felt stable and the right size but bulkier ) .do you have any thoughts on this ?
I'm between an L and XL, but the bike I want is in stock as an M. Would I be really stupid to get it anyway?
Hi Iâm 6â2âand a inside leg just over 33â I am looking at a giant stance or trance as my first emtb I havenât ridden for a couple of years other than hiring a e-bike in Mallorca which made me want one I am 60 yrs old so wonât be anything too extreme tend to sit down more these days when riding any recommendations on size I donât have a giant stockiest that I can go and try nearby thanks in advance Paul
Have you tried the kenevo? If so... S3 or s4?
I am 182cm
Typical innit? This shows up today in suggestions after My Canyon Spectral ON arrived today in XL and it feels huge. Canyon did suggest L frame, but I also ride a Giant Trance XL that fits like a glove and Giant suggest a L frame for my height. 185cm and always ridden XL bikes. Iâve had L frames and theyâve been too small, seat post at maximum extension.
Fit is everything though. New bike, the bars a wider than Iâm used to riding and the stem is a little longer. Gonna have some fun tinkering with it to get it right.
Good vid
Hi, thx for your advices. I'm in the market to buy a cube stereo 140 2022 and i struggling choosen beetween Medium and large size. Especially because i didn't have the possibility to try them and because there are few available. I'm 175 cm and have crotch size of 83 cm.... in the chart size of cube they say i 'm just in the middle... at the end of the medium and at start of the large, what do you think?
Question:
I am 5'9/10" which would be upper end of medium.
I have short legs, long arms and body - 28" inside leg, so I am a small for standover.
So I'm effectively 6'2" upper body and 5'2" lower :(
What size would fit?
Hi Kevin, stand over is very important (don't want to be doing any damage to private parts!). We suggest you find a bike that fits stand over and then you can always make adjustments with stem length or bar width. Your local shop should be able to advise with this đ
@@embn
My small Voodoo is still too high - not good on the Gentleman area :(
It's also still too small, even after adding 780mm wide, 25mm rise bars rolled away, and a 70mm stem !
It was fine with a 90mm stem and the saddle all the way back, but the front wheel liked to way around in the air .
So I'm screwed :(
Interesting topic, I'm 182cm riding a large 2016 large eacarpe with 444mm reach. Always felt comfortable and that the bike was a good fit. I'm currently building a 2019 medium escarpe with a slightly longer reach and significantly slacker head angle. Should I size down (or rather up) to the medium?? Or stay with a more Conservative size large? Both frames are boost!
when I put in this measurements 72in 32in in Canyons website I get a Medium bike?!
I am 189cm and have an inseam of 94cm. According to the Canyon website I should buy a Spectral:ON CF 6 in size L. I am a little bit confused right now, because if I enter your sizes (182cm and 81cm inseam), Canyou would suggest a M. Also, you calculator said L/XL, but the text underneath is "See all Spectral:ON with size M".
Am I right to choose a size L or should I better get a XL?
I have the same problem. I am Steve's size and Canyon has me on a Medium. So I am a little confused. I think I will go with a med because of the seat stem is high on the large . If you watch Steve ride the Canyon it looks to big for him with the seat almost hitting him what the seat is slamed.
Iâve got a size L now and it fits perfect. In your case I would definitely go for size M
Hi Steve, I am the same size as you, but I have much longer legs (36 inch / 92 cm), that means, my upper body is much shorter... That makes choosing the right size even more complicated. Regarding leg length, I could easily ride an XL Canyon Spectral On. Regarding my relatively shorter upper body length, XL will probably be too long.
What I mean by that, for people with comparatively very long legs, choosing the right size is even more difficult because the newer bikes are getting longer....and lower.
I feel your pain....just at a lesser height :D I'm short, 5'6" but with shorter arms and torso compared with relatively longer legs. Currently shopping for my 1st emtb and having an absolute mare on sizing. Most small frames feel too small and most mediums feel too big :(
Canyon's page says size M for 72" height and 32" inseam and you can see it below saying "See spectral on size M" and not L/XL. It is clearly that you overwrite the M size with L/XL. Why did you done this? Is there any reason?
Well spotted. I hope it is NOT because Canyon only has L/XL left in stock before the new models will be introduced early Feb....
@@Miserato I don't think so, but I believe that it is according to their experience and that canyon is undersize their bikes, which I also believe. But then, what is the meaning of this example if they do not explain the reason for it, so less experienced cyclists to understand it, like me, and avoid wrong sizes on online orders. I am waiting to order a spectral on with the ep8, I am exactly 6 foot with 33 inseam like Steve's dimensions and according to canyon page, my size is Medium.
Hi, I have recently put a deposit down on a medium focus jam2 6.9 I am approximately 5.8 with a 30 inch leg.
I used the manufacturer guide for fitting, would this be a good size for me??
P.s this is my first emtb & first new bike for 12 years!
Should be the ideal size for you. I have a large at 6â2â and 33 leg. I was on the cusp of Xl but ebikes are quite large anyway. The seat dropper is great on these bikes and you can always cut down your handlebars if they feel wide
@@richardjohnson5394 great thanks for your help!
Awesome to hear you have a new bike on the way Stuart, so much fun! đ Once you have a bike you can really start to personalize the fit by changing the bar width, stem length or saddle position.
Ordered a medium focus jam 6.9 a while back myself. Supposed to be getting it end of March. Iâm 5â9â and also went by chart on Focus site. Being unable to try one before you buy even from a shop is a real pain but just had to go for it. I did manage to try a large Trek Rail before initial lock down and it fitted great, and yet a year earlier hired a medium Scott ebike as large was way to....large. So was very unsure what size to get of the Focus. Iâve traditionally always gone for the smallest bike I could fit so itâll not be a big deal either way. Super excited. My first ebike also. March canât come soon enough.
I have same inside leg measurement. Last summer I tried a small size Jam2 6.8 in a local shop, when standing over the top tube I had no clearance whatsoever which I wasn't comfortable with.
sit on the seat, tippy toe to the ground...done, maximum leg extension when peddling
I love my new bike !!!!!
I'm 5'11 and L is great for me. Always rather to get "slightly" larger, than "slightly" smaller frame size.
Why?
@@HIPP024 Because!
@ of course why didn't i see that
@@HIPP024 Mostly depending on your body frame structure. I'm a big strong guy, so when manufacturer say "size", it's a kiddy bike for me. Smallish, kiddish, super uncomfortable to ride. I always use one size bigger, and it's perfect. ~25 years in MTB, never chosen a wrong size.
@ I dissagree. When you are riding a bike that is to tall for you, you are more or less just along for the ride instead of riding the bike. With long bikes, your hands and feet are to far apart, sure it might feel steady, but you lose a massive amount of torque. Because when doing a push pull motion, you will be pushing and pulling with your arms bent more or less. So you will be missing a lot of strength. Think of bmx racers, they dont ride with long bikes also the pros tend to go short rather than long for this reason
Hi, I am 181cm and I would like to by a YT Decoy. In my size I am between two sizes Large is from 172-182cm and XL starts at 181cm to 191cm. Would you recommend to go on XL like what you say in the video? Thanks in forward?
It really depends on your riding and riding style. A longer bike will be more stable at high speeds but you may prefer a slightly shorter bike which feels a little more nimble. It's also worth considering room for stem length adjustment, how much room in each direction do you have to play with. If possible it's worth cross-referencing the geometry of your existing bike (or a friends bike that you have been on) as this may help you make a better judgement for what works best for you. Steve is a very experienced rider and has tested hundreds (possibly thousands) of bikes in his time as a MTB and EMTB journalist, he was once an elite Downhill racer so will have a different taste to someone coming from an XC background... If you live in the UK we suggest you check out the Mill in the Surrey Hills to sit on a couple of bikes.
@@embn Hi Thank you very much for your answer. I've got an Canyon Grand Canyon HT 2020 in Medium and it fits perfect. I don't understand the whole geometry thing. I started mountainbiking last year and like to go more downhill with some xc. Would you be so kind and tell me which YT would fit to the canyon? I am from germany but the mill in germany is far away from my location
@@BD-js5vr open up the geometry tables of both bikes and compare them. I'd mostly focus on "reach" and "stack" measurements. That way you have a good idea on how the two sizes compare to your current bike
I am your height and for riding on flat trails I find XL fine but if you are going to be doing a lot of hill rides the lower you can get your seat going down hill the better/safer. So my pick would be L.
@@Pik4chu985 Thank you Kibba, my Canyon has a reach of 435mm and a stack of 626mm. The Decoy in L has a reach of 462mm, stack 624mm and XL 482 and 633. It looks like that the XL. It looks like the XL would have too much reach.
When in doubt between sizes, get the bigger one. The other way around didn't work well for me.
It works for all kinds of bike. Especially for road bike and Emtb.
What about rim size?
For me and my riding style, if I am in between a large and xl I will go for xl most of the time. I'm 6'1"
Iâm 6â0 and went with Specialized SL XL. I love it.
nice
I will buy another one for my friend
Im gonna be a caring Karen here and say paint those f*cking walls at the shop! The formaldehyde fumes gotta be brutalz.
hard to find a bike to fit 6' 3'' these days, they make them more average
get an XL and put a 20mm stem on it
Unfortunately like all sales everyone is on ote on target earnings, this means if they only have a large they will try to sell you that rather than say you really need a bike we haven't got in stock, if they dont sell a certain amount of bikes per month they get a warning then eventually the sack. Welcome to the modern world. Every job you get is like this apart from if you are the person who makes the rules. Ote or kpi or any other one they make up its still the same thing, your there till you fail or they find someone better
TRY and find a bike shop with bikes a moment
its litel strang that you mix metrisk and fot , cep too metrisk , you talk too Europa
"online a l or XL and that is bag on" so two different sizes are bag on? good job you don't work in a workshop with that lax viewpoint.
Hi Tom, yes that's correct on some bikes you can go either way. I think it would be lax to suggest to a customer otherwise if that's the case
Normal bikers, 30'-32" Ebikers 34"-36"
Hahahaha!!
Normal bikers appreciate ebikes. :)
spongy wonder bike seat
Love your videos, but this was confusing.
If "reach" doesn't say anything can we please drop it from the conversation?
Focus on Top tube length in combination with stem length; this is a much better indication of comparable size.
Comfort is created with the handle bar height. Take "stack" and the "rise of the handle bar" and you have a comparable measurement for comfort.
Horizontal Fine tuning is done with the seat position and a change in stem length. ( start with stem length )
Vertical Fine tuning is done with adding or removing spacers and possibly a higher rise handlebar or stem angle.
And by the way there is absolutely no difference if you talk about an EMTB or an MTB. Only the rise purpose will create a need for a different geometry.
Hi Bas, reach is actually a great indicator but has to be viewed as part of the system including bb and suspension design too.
There's a huge difference between mtb and emtb for so many reasons. Climbing is done mostly sat down, the centre of mass varies between bikes, you dont need as much wheelbase to create stability, technical climbing will affect geometry and weight distribution....it's a huge topic alone
@@stevejones7956 I am sorry but reach doesn't say much because you have to start calculating the effect of the seat angle and deduct the seattube offset.
That means getting your calculator out and using a Pythagoras theorum.
One degree reduction in seat tube angle results in +/- 10mm extra top tube length, but then you still don't know the seat tube offset which is 0 with hardtails but can jump to 30mm for full suspension. And not a single manufacturer indicates the seat tube offset.
Therefore top tube length is the only figure that is comparable.
Off course reach indicates something but it is a poor figure to compare.
But please educate me if I am missing something or if my theory is incorrect.
@@basengelblik5199 Haha, all good Bas, i'm with you....if you are sat down all the time that is
@@stevejones7956 Fair enough people stand up on their bikes as well, but with changing geometry reach without stemlength is still a futile value. And if I am honest to myself I sit 95% (if not more) of the time especially on a full suspension.
Bas Engelblik ha ha ha. Thanks great knowledge. Perfect explanation with numbers. And how it should be agree with you. And you have said it perfectly from the first message. Ha ha ha
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tl;dw; there are no standard sizes. go to the shop and sit on it