Joe, before it's too late. There are still 4 Apollo astronauts that walked on the moon for you to have on your show as well as the crew of Apollo 8. As of today May 12, 2013, Buzz Aldrin, David Scott, Charles Duke and Harrison Schmitt are still alive. Talk to one of them for God's sake!
Astronauts minds are exact opposite of attorneys. They cannot debunk conspiracies verbally because of the cross examinations. So they shy away from argumentative conspiracy theorists.
Yeah, ask Bart Sibrel what happened when he called Buzz a coward and a liar. No time or patience for the Apollo hoax imbeciles. And yes, that’s what you are, no matter how loudly you might scream.
s on ehh so long as you’re comfortable in you’re sexuality. I’ve known gay dudes before as friends. There the best. The only ones who understand men and women at the same time. Tactical advantage much?!!
I just want to say it's refreshing to see two people I respect talking to each other in such a humble, friendly and open manner, and the mention of Neil Gaiman was the icing on the cake. This clip made me happy. Cheers, guys.
Cause it was the first time and had 10000000x more press than the other times coMbined. and back then we didn’t have the internet and most people didn’t seek out info about nasa. So for a few decades there it seems like the other trips got sorta lost in translation from TV / Radio broadcast to internet age.
Admitting that just opens up one for ridicule. Explains why Joe is such a moron on so many things. He just bullshits his way through these conversations and we find it entertaining watching an idiot.
"We'd love to return to the moon, we used to have the technology to go to the moon but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again." -----Don Petit---NASA.
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We cannot recreate the Saturn 5 rockets because each of the 5 were UNIQUE, different as the entire blueprints and work was done by thousands on paper.. They didn't have the manpower /money/ reason to try scanning all blue prints.. Let alone keep all blue prints for everything that was rough draft to final form ON EVERYTHING they worked on... Slide rulers, paper and thousands of engineers. We didn't loose the technology to get to the moon, we'd have much better tech
@@mandelorean6243 it's not like it was the greatest accomplishment of mankind....ever. Totally not worth saving the blueprints or data. It's kinda like the VHS tape of Aunt Suzie's wedding, let's just use that to record the super bowl!
Ummmm.. one of the best JRE clips EVER?? Hell, it’s in my Top 10! Penn is such an incredible guy to listen to. He and Joe really seem to connect in a special way here! Joe just seems more “real” to me here, like he’s not just activating his usual bull shit, but really just being being himself. I love it. These two should produce WAY more content together.
Penn pretty much knows it all like every other indoctrinated since birth baby boomer I've ever met. If the US government tells him it's true, it's true. Penn is non thinker. Don't need to hear his opinion because you already know what it is, whatever the propaganda tells him it is.
I tried reading one of his books, I couldn't get past Chap.1 due to all the bullshit. I gave the book to my boss at the time. 3 months later the Casino closed down... coincidence?
We could not afford to go back to the moon and fund Skylab. Then Reagan fell in love with the space shuttle so there wasn't even thought of going back to the moon. NASA never released a photo of Collins doing a spacewalk. No pictures of it were taken. The photo presented was taken in the "vomit comet". The one with the background blacked out was used in Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire" as an artistic piece to start the book. The actual photo is also in the book. And Collins confirms at the start of the book that no photos of him in space were taken.
We can afford to send hundreds of billions, or trillions over decades, overseas to fund wars and bribe nations. New can afford to go trillions in debt and fund the largest military on earth that dwarfs the next several largest militaries combined. If you believe we can't afford to go to the moon, then you're a complete fool and there's really no debate about it
@Evan Kearney water is a never ending expense. It is the only food that is delivered in pipes underground. It is not federally controlled. We must be personally responsible for our decision to interact with water. Each and every time! Clean water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. The Lourdes of France is clean water. Flint Michigan is just the natural state of water allowed by humans in the government, not spending the money to keep doing what must be done to deliver potable water to a ignorant public who don't give a crap how it's water is processed until too late. Death by the blue death (cholera) is extremely painful. www.watercuresanything.com John C. Ellis, distillation and ultraviolet light technology only. www.watercure.com Fereydoon Batmanghelidj Md. You are not sick, you are thirsty. Book. Your Body's Many Cries For Water. Both are on CZcams and on line. Just saying....... I'm from the Max Plack school. A new discovery is not often accepted by the present generation. They must DIE OFF and a new generation is schooled in the thinking their parents ignored to their hurt.
Thousands of documents detailing water testing practices over the past decade reveal: Despite warnings of regulators and experts, water departments in at least 33 cities used testing methods over the past decade that could underestimate lead found in drinking water; officials in two major cities-Philadelphia and Chicago-asked employees to test water safety in their own homes; two states-Michigan and New Hampshire-advised water departments to give themselves extra time to complete tests so that if lead contamination exceeded federal limits, officials could re-sample and remove results with high lead levels; some cities denied knowledge of the locations of lead pipes, failed to sample the required number of homes with lead plumbing or refused to release lead pipe maps, claiming it was a security risk. Marc Edwards, the scientist who first uncovered the crisis in Flint, described water testing in some of America's largest cities as an "outrage". "They make lead in water low when collecting samples for EPA compliance, even as it poisons kids who drink the water," Edwards, a Virginia Tech scientist, said. "Clearly, the cheating and lax enforcement are needlessly harming children all over the United States. "If they cannot be trusted to protect little kids from lead in drinking water, what on Earth can they be trusted with? Who amongst us is safe?" In the nine years since the EPA last updated lead regulations, a substantial body of peer-reviewed science has shown no level of lead is safe for humans. Tiny amounts are associated with impaired development and behavioral problems in children, and exposure is linked to a propensity to commit violent crimes.
Joe's trite shtick is to discredit people by pigeonholing them and painting them all with the same brush. This is a tactic often used by individuals who have an agenda and a very limited intelligence in carrying it out. This tactic works wonders as he is obviously catering to the lowest common denominator.
Penn is absolutely right about what his daughter is doing. Take anything and let yourself question “what if this isn’t true”, and you can still hold on to the truths of the world. It’s a willingness to let go and still believing reality. Penn is smart!
Wish more people and parents especially would use your advice when on about religion. Let people make their own minds up about a all seeing all knowing imaginary man in the sky without it being rammed down their throats
Yup. I believe a 100% that we went to the moon. I also believe that during the space race, an ungodly amount of lies and half-truths were told by each side to their own citizens. We tend to think that propaganda is something that cartoony villain states do but really, every single country on earth dabble in it.
@@jonnysupreme The all seeing all knowing god is a falsehood created to discredit my Father. Even the bible with its lies woven in tells us plainly its god is not what religion claims he is. G..e..n 18...20: " i have heard reports the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil. Everything they do is wicked. So i am going down to see for myself whether or not these reports are true. Then i will know " CLEARLY the god being proclaimed by religion is a lie. My Father cant even tell if angels are lying. He needs to investigate to know the truth. He didnt know Eve would allow lucifere to teach her forbidden knowledge. But he was prepared to suffer a horrific death if she did to establish a paradise earth for all eternity. My Father didn't create hell. He suffered its worst tourture to bring about its climatic destruction. My Father doesn't know everything before it happens or even while its happening. But he prepares for the worst.
Joes ego was hurt when he realized penn said in a round about way that joes critical thinking is more like poetry rather than having any real basis in reason
Regardless as to how you feel about his views, I am always impressed with just how articulate Penn Jillette is when giving interviews and having free-flowing conversations.
The Moon landing, A] we did do it, several times, B] it was incredibly expensive, C] we suffered two catastrophic failures in the process [Apollo I and Apollo XIII] and D] at the end after the American public lost interest and lost confidence after our defeat in Vietnam and realized exactly how risky and dangerous and expensive the whole Apollo program actually was and discontinued the program. Then we built a Space Shuttle and killed 4.66 times the number of astronauts with that than we killed with Apollo. This is the way gigantic government programs actually work. You don't need a conspiracy for this. That and, the Apollo Program had a huge industrial footprint. Something like half a million people worked on some part of the program. When I was in industry I worked for a company that did work for the Apollo Program, we had a few parts on the Lunar Module ascent engine as a subcontractor for Bell Aerosystems, because we had done work for Grumman, because we did work for Pratt & Whitney. So, even as late as the late 1990's upstairs in the loft above the parts room, under an inch of dust were the test fixtures that were used to test those parts, along with the test fixtures for the parts we had on the J-58 engine used on the SR-71. I laid my hands on these thing, they were real, they were there. They may still be there under an inch an a half of dust now. Thousands of people know, because they built it and did it, and millions know, because they had direct contact with the people who built it and did it. If you notice, the whole conspiracy theory didn't start till years later, when the direct path of people who knew was starting to stretch a little thin. Also, there was an identifiable starting point for the conspiracy theory and then a history that continues to evolve and mutate away from a provable solution rather than towards arriving a a single reality. That is not a good sign for intellectual integrity. Conspiracy theories only ever expand, not narrow. Who killed JFK? - dunno - they seem to have gotten away with it, but there was at the very least the conspiracy of the, 'we've got everything under control,' people in our government. Quick! don't let anyone panic, don't dig too deep! That's a conspiracy, a fairly benign one, one that will probably make finding out what really happened impossible.
Sheesh. You should dust, man! I'm sure you've got some respirators lying around. As for JFK, an interesting theory is a shape charge on the back of the front seat. It fits from my perspective I suppose. Beyond that, any which way you look at it, there is one truth we can all agree on. It changed history immensely-and not for good. I believe a lot of conspiracy theories were born out of a yearning for knowledge and finality from truth. Now I see it devolving into something akin to the screaming man on an NYC corner with the budweiser inner-carton. You get the picture. Yeah, the end is coming, obviously. But to what end? The hell we gonna do is the world really is flat? What the hell this garbage about the sun being fake? There's nothing constructive within it because it's the garbage in:garbage out system at work. If we look at this from the outside, it's really just an evolution of humanity that seems awfully reactive based on political climates and social unrest. Hence the fear mongering on television day in and out. Depends if you want you ham and eggs served up Red or Blue I guess. What the hell was I talking about?
@@Pollutical Thanks for your reply. There are certain things we can know. With a little knowledge of descriptive geometry, go out on a cold night - or a warm one - and by observing a lunar eclipse you *can* prove that the earth is round. You, by yourself. Boil some water, measure its temperature. You can prove a few basic fact, and build up a knowledge of what it takes to actually prove something as factual ,no matter how complex the subject. Kennedy's assassination? Can you 'prove' anything beyond Lee Harvey Oswald did it, and then a whole lot of people moved in to make sure it was proved? Not really. Can raise a lot of questions though. This does not mean there is no reality.
problem being - if any part of it were true they'd be no need to lie and so it all unravels with just one lie (and they have lied a lot...) sceptics don't have to be astrophysicists - they just have to spot the lies, the CGI and the green-screen effects and apply common-sense. the new religion of scientism has just as many doubters, now that people have awoken to the logical fallacies used to dumb down the masses. equally, many millions are spent making props and dressing film sets - which sure look real enough to fool the unwary. the reason questions started being asked later isn't difficult to rationalise either - inconsistencies started to show up. the world was a very different place back in the 60's (no mass communication for one thing..) and not unlike the movies - it's not difficult to get people to suspend the power of reason when they 'want to believe'. when you further understand the esoteric aspect of finance and that government doesn't have any actual money and that governments create and exchange debt as currency, then you begin to understand why there is so much 'debt' (spending on bs projects that gather dust) but these projects are always around weapons and exotic ways to kill people...who killed Kennedy? it wasn't Lee Oswald or his brother Harvey (oops)
Human nature; many people are lazy to fact search & just run on the spoken words & emotions. -Conspiracy & Speculation are interesting & real news comes from Internet, Comedy & The Enquirer. TNX Joe, Penn & comments
Having built the components doesn't mean they didn't go with a contingency plan. NASA simply could have assessed the risks and timelines and executed plan B: Fake-the-landing. They subsequently could have (or not have) gone to the moon. Considering that the Russians have been ahead of the Americans in the Space Race every step of the way to a moon landing, this would have been a compelling strategy.
@@samuelyanke1150 Real people evolve over time as they learn shit, especially when they're around really smart people. It the people who can't admit error who are screwed and never learn anything. It's hilarious that conspiracy nuts always "know" Joe is lying, and will not consider any of the many other possibilities. Hell, even if he is not telling the truth, it could be due to a head injury, a blown fuse in his brain with drugs, or maybe he was abducted, molested, and brainwiped by shapeshifter space aliens. As for deplatforming, Google is still happily paying thousands of people to upload countless hilarious lizard shape shifting alien, flat earth, moon landing, hollow earth, and who knows what else. Literally more monetized "moon landing conspiracy" videos than you could ever watch. See how many videos have been running for 5 years, with ads, titled "They don't want you to know", or "Watch this before they take it down". That's so damn funny, "they don't want you to know", but they recommend the damn video on my sidebar until I finally click "don't show me this shit anymore".
Penn is one of those dudes that can talk for 10 minutes without really saying anything. "I have a lot of words to use to arrive at a simple point so let me waste your time for a bit"
It's an art. This is a great debate strategy when you don't really have a viable argument. Neither one of them are able to argue proven facts because the government has not released anything. Penn happens to use this beautifully and politely and not condescending. This whole debate is done well. It doesn't seek to prove the subject matter but to find answers or come to an agreement the merits of each other's points.
I know it was probably just a slip up, but there was no Gemini 15. The last Gemini flight was Gemini 12 with Jim Lovell and Buzz Aldrin. Michael Collins was on Gemini 10.
Any fans of Penn’s 2007 radio show where he talked about some comedian named Joe Rogan not believing in the moon landing here in 2019? This is such a full circle moment.
dankajay why would he say look into it if the argument he’s making isn’t backed up by facts? It’s only controversial because people shut it down by resorting to gasp.
@@SH-ib5nn Which means absolutely nothing but yeah nice try. Remember those wonder jet planes couldn't break the sound barrier. Also there were no long range communications. Hell they didn't even have colored TV's jajajaja what a joke!
@@veganlifestyleloveanimals1744 is incorrect - The first official recognition of sound barrier being broken by a manned aircraft is in 1947 .. Satellite communications, trialled in the 50's with Sputnik 1 being the first recorded in 1957. Then Bell labs in 1962, launched their first commercially available 2 way comms' satellite, Telstar 1... and lastly, colour TV services have been available since 1951. The above rebuttals are all factual and can easily be verified. It wad not my intention to embarrass you, instead purely stated facts, so others can have/learn more information than you have access to... Fai il bravo, Ciao Ciao!
@@SH-ib5nn Colored TV came out in 53, however burned out under 90 day's and wasn't considered worth buying until 73 when the sets lasted. The sound barrier was broken in 47 however wasn't considered safe until 68 as they were crashing and most blowing up. They were experimental. Nice try Einstein but um vaffan------culo 😁
I love how when Joe explains why he doesn't "know" we didn't land on the moon by giving points that give the probability of us having been on the moon at around 5%.
@@johnpliskin8759 . They were bouncing lasers off of the moon to measure distance in the early 50’s,long before mirror arrays, with a little research, you can find it, it’s all there
*_"Can't be done now"_* Project Artemis sends its regards. *_"couldn't have been done 54 years ago."_* Supersonic passenger air travel can't be done now, couldn't have been done 20 years ago. Conclusion? Concorde was a hoax. Specifically, what technology was lacking that meant the Apollo Programme couldn't be done "54 years ago"? Incidentally, the last lunar landing was 51 years ago.
Thing is, Russians did lots of conspiracies, like flying saucer, it is not out of this world to think it's fake. No money spent and scare enemies in to thinking you have a superior tech. Or all the money they've spent on it(supposedly) used for something else. It would be perfect.
@@nitro8in “Has anyone personally witnessed Armstrong or Aldrin on the moon?” No, you’ve got a REALLY good point there. No one saw them do it with their own two eyes. You’ve got me there. Of course literally millions saw them on television, but I suppose that doesn’t prove anything. They saw each other of course, and took hundreds of pictures, but you’re not going to accept that. Michael Collins saw them heading down to the Moon from the Command Module, and watched them coming back, but I suppose you consider him biased as well. And several people around the world saw the space capsule going to the Moon on radar, but they couldn’t actually see the astronauts inside. And lots of people picked up the radio transmissions from the capsule, but again, they couldn’t actually see the astronauts inside. So, no, there was no one else on the Moon to actually watch Neil and Buzz being there. So there you go, you’ve got a point, whatever it is.
Conspiracy theorists are like me when I look at 100 reviews of a product and ignore the 99 who say it's good but put greater credence on the 1 review that hated it.
@Alien Intention No, he's dead fucking on. Conspiracy theory is the sophistication of the ignorant. The problem is your life and intellect is so thoroughly average and unremarkable that the only way you can mitigate that gnawing insecurity you get around people smarter than you is to think you've got some special insight into some issues, and that only you and your elite 'lone wolf' 'free-thinking' buddies can see what others can't. It's sad, really.
@@allrequiredfields I can't speak in defence but it's a mindset I've better understood with time. A conspiracy needn't be solely compared to lizard people or sheeple as the term goes. It can mean something as far out as that or relate to a large company, say Amazon, that doesn't pay their staff a living wage. The term conspiracy was really hijacked when the film was released in the 90s to mean a tin-foiled-wearing seeker of truth. In an age where you can pull up a wiki page, a CZcams channel, a blog, some people are bound to have some sort of existential crisis with information they sought themselves without cross referencing etc. When you can, in this world, unfriend people that disagree with you and surround yourself with those who solely agree, you might delude yourself without that challenge. Hence societies, like flat earth, are formed as to affirm each other they aren't wrong or insane. I would have agreed with your final point regarding insecurity but I have since met people who are just misinformed, not uneducated or illiterate, that just want to think for themselves - perhaps a deep-seated issue of always being told and not listened to when growing up, so they go their own way. Being on the internet will exacerbate ignorance if ignorance is what you're affirmed by online and within societies. The ones who still think wrongly after being informed otherwise tend to be the problem that stains the rest.
Sukhbir Sekhon correct. We didn’t go to the moon. That’s why nobody else went after us... that’s why we “lost the technology” from 1969 and “are having a difficult time recreating it” as Astronaut Don Pettit said. The absurdity of the lies at this point says more about those who still believe we went. Science cucks desperate to make their Star Trek fantasy a reality won’t let it go.
It was a training photo but was never sold as anything else. At least not by NASA because everyone has alwayw been honest that there's no EVA photos from Gemini 10. Gotta tell Joe about it on twitter but he'll probably ignore it.
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I understand what he's saying. Everyone has what seems to be a primal need to question things. Having a place to question things in a safe environment is leading to a new creative movement in which people are able to express their craziest theories with little worry, and therefor exercise that need for critical thinking and philosophizing. But, it can sometimes be taken too seriously and that is the kind of people that Joe is referring to, the ones that got roped into the game
@Ginger Ginger Why do you want to see a live feed of a rocket leaving Earth? Do you also want a live feed of a plane from take off all the way to landing? All you will see is a bright point of light, because why would you waste money keeping a camera still in orbit just to see something that physics 100% allow?
@Ginger Ginger Are movies for the most part boring? because if they are boring, you can bet your ass I will skip most of it. The most interesting part of a rocket launch or of a plane, are the beginning and the end parts, so yes, I don't have a need to see all of it when I know physics allow them to work as designed.
In case you guy are wondering about what photo Joe was talking about, NASA never doctored any photos. Someone doctored a photo from Collins' book and claimed NASA released it, but none of those people can point to the press release or book where NASA claimed the doctored photo was real.
Phil explained my stance on conspiracies perfectly when talking about how his daughter approaches them. To me, its a fun exercise of logic and reason to question and investigate events throughout history. Although the official story is typically most likely correct since it has the most legitimate evidence supporting it along with the appeal of authority (scientists, intellectuals, governments, etc.), to question and pick apart the narrative is always a fun, intriguing rabbit hole to go down for many people, including myself, who are fascinated by conspiracy theories.
Give me just one peice of evidence for billions of galaxies beyond a photo that can be faked. There isnt any. Its a matter of trust. Its faith in those who supply IMFORMATION.
It’s important to keep in mind that, sometimes scientists and intellectuals/academics are biased by their own “authority”… and governments lie all the time. In the case of governments, often the “what” may be true, but the “who”, the “how” and the “why” are distorted for unknown, convoluted (and usually pragmatic) reasons. Take the Kennedy assassination: Most sensible people would agree that it happened… But most of us may never know who ordered it, who was involved, how many were involved, or why it was ordered. There are lots of “theories” about those details… but definitive evidence to prove or disprove any of them has been deliberately obscured, misrepresented or destroyed. Then you can start down the rabbit hole of all of the theories as to why THAT may have been done.
Joe Rogan vs Phil Plait was hilarious. Joe sounded so unbelievably stupid the entire time. It's weird to me that Penn is being so nice about it now, because back then it was clear he (correctly) believed Joe was a meathead.
Exactly; I HATE feeling duped. I'm a child of the 60's. I continue to be amazed each time I stumble across facts intentionally omitted throughout my public school education. The confirmation bias that ran my life for decades was constructed FOR me. And btw, the scientific method works both ways: when was the last time you heard of the null hypothesis as the beginning point for say, pharmaceutical "research"? I now try to focus on questioning and listening rather than defending - but always a challenge.
I’ve worked in a bioscience research institute, it actually happens a lot. Most drugs fail early on and even farther on in clinical trials often times. I know the business of the pharmaceutical industry is fucked (especially neuropsychopharmeuticals, the area I worked scientifically and the only field where the high level bioscientists really seemed to resent their counterparts who “sold out” to work for pharmaceutical companies, you don’t see that in immunology/virology, oncology, etc. in the pharmaceutical industry nearly as much), and the scientists know but the problem is that guys from the business schools especially (and to some degree law schools) have the power at the end of the too often. Basically the MBAs run everything, the JDs help them get away with it, meanwhile the PhDs tend to be in the lab doing the actual work lol (and MDs/Dos doing to the treatment/clinical work too, though some of them are scammy cunts and others are brilliant saints, there’s a very broad mix among physicians lol, the people who just wanted high paying high status guaranteed jobs and were willing to do whatever it took to get it mixed in with the highly intelligent and intellectually curious and compassionate driven types). Basically the dumbest (as far as educational quality, difficulty and degree, admissions criteria standards, and literally IQ scores) ones and most amoral ones (business school basically teaches you to do whatever it takes to get yourself rich lol law school tries to teach ethics but it often just teaches how to skirt law and liability) tend to have the most power and influence while the smarter scientists actually interested in truth and the greater good over money tend further down the ladder. However, I have to add that this applies to the private sector far more than the public sector (except under Republican presidents to some degree lol then it’s private industry folks coming into to make their friends and selves money by pillaging and sabotaging the government and then saying see government doesn’t work lol e.g. USPS, sad).
It'd be nice if Penn demonstrated the ability to change his mind, drop the satirical/caricaturing act, and followed logical arguments versus clinging to ego and toeing the party line. If he wins it's because of how he just described Joe's approach
I love the fact that joe checks himself about knowledge more than anyone of his guests his opinion is formed based on knot knowing enough.... His point in any conversation is the fact that he just wants to learn what he doesnt know and he positions all the conversations in that manner i love it
What makes Joe great? Well for a start, he is not afraid to openly admit that he does not know everything. If he does not fully understand a thing he says I do not know. That is real wisdom.
I made it my mission to go see their show in Vegas. I thought I most likely will not be in Vegas for a very long time so why not go see Penn and Teller. It was well worth it. At one point they pass around a book of jokes and Penn suddenly says stop and the person with the book is asked to describe themselves and he can guess what joke you chose. The book landed on me!!! I was part of the show albeit from my seat. Penn did correctly guess what joke I chose. I didn’t examine the book but for all I know the same jokes repeat every three pages. It was a great show.
The reason you can't send birds to space and have them live is because bird diaphragms need gravity to function, unlike the autonomic muscular process mammals have.
"the magic bullet theory in the Kennedy assisination" is a myth propagated by the JFK film which didn't take account of the fact that the back seat and front seat were on different heights and different horizontal alignments. So when you line up the chairs in a perfectly parallel square (like the movies did) the bullet appears to swerve. Edit: Here is one of the best 3D animations I have seen which show the actual straight line path of the bullet: czcams.com/video/-nUvSPFKJ3o/video.htmlm35s
That's not true. They only line up if you move Kennedy's back wound up about 5 inches to the base of his hairline. And nobody has exactly replicated Oswald's 'shot.' Carlos Hathcock couldn't do it ffs. If Hathcock says the shot is impossible, it's freaking impossible. This man killed someone with a sniper rifle from more than a mile away. Nobody on Earth is pulling off Oswald's shooting 'feat' with a shitty WW2 bolt action rifle, with a badly fitted and unaligned scope. Nobody. The world's best shooters need multiple attempts (with a fully functioning Manlicher Carcano) to even get close. According to the Government Oswald supposedly got off two perfect shots, about a second after the worst shot in history, not only missing the President, not only missing the Limo, but missing the entire street! Its horseshit.
@@bydesign3169 I know all about Dale Myers man. His rendering of Kennedy in that animation is physiologically preposterous. His head, neck and shoulders have been specifically blown out of all proportion to try to ensure the trajectory somewhat works. The best authority on the JFK case is Jim DiEugenio. The man knows more about the case than any other living person. He's even gone as far as reading the entire Warren Commission volumes, multiple times, as well as the Church Committee, the House Select Committee on Assassinations and The Association Records Review Board.
One of the biggest things that makes me skeptical of the moon landing is NASA saying we've lost the technology to do it again . Really ? In 69 we could but in 2021 we can't ? With all our advancements in technology ?
What? NASA has never said they can't return. There is another rocket (called Artemis), sitting on the launchpad right now that is the first step of returning men and women to the moon.
If you understand the apollo program from the complexity of the saturn IV rocket, to the revolutionary redundant AGC (Apollo Suidance Computer), and the Lunar Module (LEM), than you'd know it was well within mans engineering and technical capacity to send humans to the moon. Landing on the moon was another issue, because how can NASA replicate 1/8th gravity, and design an aircraft that can and was only meant to be flown on the moon? The deisgn of the LEM was simple, but would it work was the real issue plaguing reality at the time. Buzz Aldrin was selected to be LEM commander and pilot because his college thesis was centred around "Line-of-Sight Guidance Techniques for Manned Orbital Renezvous."
But they don't. You're simply told that they do. Should we trust our governments? No. Patriotism, as far as I am concerned, involves distrusting the government. Keep them in check. They are our employees...they are to represent us, yet they are frequently self-serving. But that distrust is pointless if we're fooled into thinking that our government is always up to something and yet we can't discern when it is, and when it isn't - or detracts from genuine corruption or duplicity. Of course governments lie, deceive and conspire. No one in their right mind would suggest otherwise. But simply because they do that does not then logically follow that any random conspiracy theory of one's arbitrary choosing, devising or consequence of personal bias/agenda should automatically be assumed to be true. And meanwhile online conspiracy theory is entirely and unfailingly honest, accurate and consistent, not in the least bit intentionally deceptive, misleading, fallacious, exploitative, opportunistic or manipulative and with your best interests at heart is entirely free of vested interest and agenda?
You figure there would be a way for them to show us satellite images of the shit they left on the moon, like the flag, etc. There has to be a convincing, realistic way of doing this.
If the aim the Hubble telescope at the moon it would clear everything up quickly but they can’t because they never went to the moon they could have landed something on the moon’s surface so they can bounce back a laser from the moon . But they show them driving space buggy’s and and running them all over the surface of the moon in the sixties but the can’t land a man now to build a small space station????
Would it be at all possible for a mafucka (me) to request a URL of any sort which, once clicked upon, will take me down the rabbit hole we all know I'm after.
In regards to the Kennedy assassination, I believe their were multiple shooters. Each shooter was told that someone else would take the fall (including Oswald). When the witnesses said the shots came from the book depository the men that orchestrated the assassination decided Oswald would take the heat. When Oswald was confronted by the press he said he was just a "patsy." I believe this statement alluded to a larger conspiracy. If I were blamed for killing someone (especially the president) I would probably say that I was innocent and had nothing to do with it. I can't rationalize why Oswald claimed he was a patsy unless there were others involved and he believed he wasn't supposed to be the fall guy. Also, Jack Ruby knew Oswald. This has been proven. The whole assassination played out like a conspiracy. I think that if Oswald decided to stay in bed that day, President Kennedy would have still ended up dead. Don't forget this; the Warren Commission came up with the single shooter theory, but the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations believed that multiple shooters were involved. Imagine if that happened today? There would have been so much video footage that we would have known for sure what actually happened.
What you believe means nothing. Most witnesses heard 3 shots. 3 spent shells were found in the Book depository and Oswald's rifle was found in the same room. Oswald was found hiding in a movie theater after he killed Officer JD Tippit in front of MULTIPLE witnesses.
Joe "I don't know astrophysics but I do know fuckery" Rogan
Ninety Nine joe fuckery rogan
Joe has been a government shill for years, so sad.
Also knows propulsion physics
Rogan is a bitch
Joe "the world is made of weird stuff" Rogan.
Joe Rogan's kids will rebel by not consuming psychedelic drugs
"No dad, I'm NOT doing DMT today"
SomtimesIEat24 with 3 kids the odds of all of them not doing psychedelics with a dad like Rogan doesn’t seem high
@@rhysjones1108 nice word play
And learning science and not performing sports that create significant brain damage. Fucking rebels.
They are taking HGH and growing to 7 foot tall.
Joe, before it's too late. There are still 4 Apollo astronauts that walked on the moon for you to have on your show as well as the crew of Apollo 8. As of today May 12, 2013, Buzz Aldrin, David Scott, Charles Duke and Harrison Schmitt are still alive. Talk to one of them for God's sake!
You right, it would be interesting if Joe talks with one of the astronauts. But it would be very rude to confront them with the conspiracy theories.
Astronauts minds are exact opposite of attorneys. They cannot debunk conspiracies verbally because of the cross examinations. So they shy away from argumentative conspiracy theorists.
Yeah, ask Bart Sibrel what happened when he called Buzz a coward and a liar.
No time or patience for the Apollo hoax imbeciles. And yes, that’s what you are, no matter how loudly you might scream.
You don’t think joe has ever thought about it? You don’t think these astronauts don’t have handlers? Think about it.
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"i know fuckery when i see it," talking to one of the greatest magicians in the world who fucks with people for a living
And as a member of the magic community, it was the majority of Magicians that were completely duped by Conjob 19
I love how they are having a debate, without having a debate, while talking about a debate.
Yeah that’s called having a debate without screaming at each other
This sentence makes complete sense and absolutely no sense at the same time
Unfortunately many people have forgotten that people can disagree without being disagreeable.
Misdirection sir. 😊
Their debate is about debate and the debate over whether debate can exist (which is debatable)
Joe's laugh when Penn calls him sexy lmfao
His humility just added another layer of sexy
Nothing sexier than a dude calling another dude sexy
Killed me too lol
Isn't Penn gay for real? Puhaha when a open gay man calls another straight man sexy in front of his face lolol! That sucks.. rofl!
s on ehh so long as you’re comfortable in you’re sexuality. I’ve known gay dudes before as friends. There the best. The only ones who understand men and women at the same time. Tactical advantage much?!!
I just want to say it's refreshing to see two people I respect talking to each other in such a humble, friendly and open manner, and the mention of Neil Gaiman was the icing on the cake.
This clip made me happy. Cheers, guys.
Penn Jillette? Your bar for respect is set pretty low.
BOT
Penn Jillette is a cool dude, he’s worthy of some respect and admiration,l.
The awkward moment when 24 people went to the moon, which includes mostly close orbits....
Why do people think we only went once?.
It's not that at all it's just the time gap between going back. No one has set foot since 1972. That's a conspiracy wet dream..
Cause it was the first time and had 10000000x more press than the other times coMbined.
and back then we didn’t have the internet and most people didn’t seek out info about nasa.
So for a few decades there it seems like the other trips got sorta lost in translation from TV / Radio broadcast to internet age.
We never went even once.
"The moon is flat...look into it" Eddie Bravo
It's like a pizza Joe.....
What are you talking about? Eddie is questioning the existence of space as a whole. Keep up.
@@BennettParsons1 whoosh
"I saw it on CZcams..."
"Why you gotta bring up old shit"
-Eddie Bravo
"I don't know what I'm talking about". A wise man admits ignorance so that he can learn to be less ignorant. Well done, sir!
Ugh.
I know I am the smartest man in Athens because I know I know nothing.
Right, but he then goes on to argue about all the things he admits knowing nothing about. Still, he's making progress.
Bertrand Russell: The whole problem with the world is fools so sure of themselves, wise men so full of doubt.
Admitting that just opens up one for ridicule.
Explains why Joe is such a moron on so many things.
He just bullshits his way through these conversations and we find it entertaining watching an idiot.
"We'd love to return to the moon, we used to have the technology to go to the moon but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again." -----Don Petit---NASA.
We cant go to the moon its plasma a light
I agree. I am dumb founded as to what this deception is for. No outer space. Now we should be able to narrow down the whole UFO enigma.
YO, WHATS UP WITH THE LOVE FOR BLK DUDES IN COMEDY????
UNFCKABLE WHTE DUDES....
YALL HEARD THE AMOUNT OF GGGEY SHTT THEM BLK DUDES BE DOING IN JAILLLL.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We cannot recreate the Saturn 5 rockets because each of the 5 were UNIQUE, different as the entire blueprints and work was done by thousands on paper.. They didn't have the manpower /money/ reason to try scanning all blue prints.. Let alone keep all blue prints for everything that was rough draft to final form ON EVERYTHING they worked on...
Slide rulers, paper and thousands of engineers.
We didn't loose the technology to get to the moon, we'd have much better tech
@@mandelorean6243 it's not like it was the greatest accomplishment of mankind....ever. Totally not worth saving the blueprints or data. It's kinda like the VHS tape of Aunt Suzie's wedding, let's just use that to record the super bowl!
Joe ''You are more likely to find bigfoot, than a black guy looking for bigfoot'' Rogan
I have a theory that Joe says, "I assume so, but I don't know" all the time so that he can avoid jury duty.
" I assume we went to the moon, but not beyond a Reasonable Doubt" ya he will never be on a jury
Barry Wile That's atheism in a nutshell. And funny enough, athiest's say its the most humble answer
@@yussef12313 atheists say there is no god. Agnostics are the ones with the most humble and honest answer.
Atheists don't say anything, they simply don't believe.
Joe Rogan finally found someone who looks at him the way he looks at Ngannou.
u mean how Joe Rogan jizzed on his own stomach, that way of looking at someone?
@The Shitstorm Starter he's a UFC fighter in the heavyweight division
You never seen Joe look at pics of The Rock lol
The better conspiracy is why we went there in the first place.
Wil Hobbs Cold War
Ummmm.. one of the best JRE clips EVER?? Hell, it’s in my Top 10! Penn is such an incredible guy to listen to. He and Joe really seem to connect in a special way here! Joe just seems more “real” to me here, like he’s not just activating his usual bull shit, but really just being being himself. I love it. These two should produce WAY more content together.
I agree. The sexy comment, and the rebelling comment had me laughing out loud at work
Penn pretty much knows it all like every other indoctrinated since birth baby boomer I've ever met. If the US government tells him it's true, it's true. Penn is non thinker. Don't need to hear his opinion because you already know what it is, whatever the propaganda tells him it is.
This is the first time I’ve seen Joe’s headphones centered
Yeah but Penn's are fu#@ing crooked.
@@stinkerton no his hat is sideways
@@caylee3277 Not crooked on his head, the bands are not centered. Get some ocd already!
@@stinkerton his podcast is incredible, he has some great people on here and AMAZING topics
YES IT DRIVES ME NUTS CONSTANTLY!!!!
Get David Icke on. That would be the ultimate conspiracy theory show.
I tried reading one of his books, I couldn't get past Chap.1 due to all the bullshit. I gave the book to my boss at the time. 3 months later the Casino closed down... coincidence?
We need Eddie too
The moon landing videos weren't real. The reason, one word, "dust." How did they keep all the moon dust on their suits out of the capsules?
@@frankm3214 Can you elaborate on what you mean? Maybe they wiped them down? What do you mean? Thanks.
He was on Tin Foil Hat not long ago
So Penn thinks we Absolutely, 💯, without a question, went to the moon. Because he says so🤦♂️🤷♂️🤡
Joe 'They never sent a chicken into deep space and had it come back alive' Rogan
like china went to the moon
The moon is not deep space.
@@LouZerr1 never said it was
@@EncinoRecords No, you did not. Joe did.
@@LouZerr1 , it is considered to be deep space. Yes, it is.
Ali G to Buzz Aldrin: "So, is da moon real?"
Kyle Titterton AliG2020
Big up to my main man Buzz Lightyear
@ SPIRIT DOT 😂😂😂 lol
Real cheese yes
This guy kinda looks like the Undertaker from WWE
Not even close
It is the undertaker
If the only qualifications are to be white and have a goatee, yes.
@If you laugh you sub! You're calling people "kid" and have misspellings in your comment. Checks out.
The Underfaker aka Brian Lee.
Whenever Joe gets called on his silliness it’s always the same “but I’m just a dumb comedian” excuse
We could not afford to go back to the moon and fund Skylab. Then Reagan fell in love with the space shuttle so there wasn't even thought of going back to the moon.
NASA never released a photo of Collins doing a spacewalk. No pictures of it were taken. The photo presented was taken in the "vomit comet". The one with the background blacked out was used in Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire" as an artistic piece to start the book. The actual photo is also in the book. And Collins confirms at the start of the book that no photos of him in space were taken.
We can afford to send hundreds of billions, or trillions over decades, overseas to fund wars and bribe nations. New can afford to go trillions in debt and fund the largest military on earth that dwarfs the next several largest militaries combined. If you believe we can't afford to go to the moon, then you're a complete fool and there's really no debate about it
1969 man walks on the moon.
2019 man drinks dirty water in Flint Michigan.
Sad
@Lowa Case they been doing that since back in the days. Media nowadays just puts it out more than usual for the Shooters propaganda
Yup, democrats ruin everything.
@Evan Kearney water is a never ending expense. It is the only food that is delivered in pipes underground.
It is not federally controlled.
We must be personally responsible for our decision to interact with water.
Each and every time!
Clean water is two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.
The Lourdes of France is clean water.
Flint Michigan is just the natural state of water allowed by humans in the government, not spending the money to keep doing what must be done to deliver potable water to a ignorant public who don't give a crap how it's water is processed until too late.
Death by the blue death (cholera) is extremely painful.
www.watercuresanything.com John C. Ellis, distillation and ultraviolet light technology only.
www.watercure.com Fereydoon Batmanghelidj Md. You are not sick, you are thirsty.
Book. Your Body's Many Cries For Water.
Both are on CZcams and on line.
Just saying.......
I'm from the Max Plack school. A new discovery is not often accepted by the present generation. They must DIE OFF and a new generation is schooled in the thinking their parents ignored to their hurt.
Thousands of documents detailing water testing practices over the past decade reveal: Despite warnings of regulators and experts, water departments in at least 33 cities used testing methods over the past decade that could underestimate lead found in drinking water; officials in two major cities-Philadelphia and Chicago-asked employees to test water safety in their own homes; two states-Michigan and New Hampshire-advised water departments to give themselves extra time to complete tests so that if lead contamination exceeded federal limits, officials could re-sample and remove results with high lead levels; some cities denied knowledge of the locations of lead pipes, failed to sample the required number of homes with lead plumbing or refused to release lead pipe maps, claiming it was a security risk. Marc Edwards, the scientist who first uncovered the crisis in Flint, described water testing in some of America's largest cities as an "outrage". "They make lead in water low when collecting samples for EPA compliance, even as it poisons kids who drink the water," Edwards, a Virginia Tech scientist, said. "Clearly, the cheating and lax enforcement are needlessly harming children all over the United States. "If they cannot be trusted to protect little kids from lead in drinking water, what on Earth can they be trusted with? Who amongst us is safe?" In the nine years since the EPA last updated lead regulations, a substantial body of peer-reviewed science has shown no level of lead is safe for humans. Tiny amounts are associated with impaired development and behavioral problems in children, and exposure is linked to a propensity to commit violent crimes.
Joe 'zero astrophysics education, zero, nuthin, nada' Rogan
'BUT, i know fuckery'
@Doctor Octagon exactly. Saying you know nothing just so you can spew bullshit doesn't fly.
This is a great video. Skepticism, humility, common sense, curiosity, humor, honesty, intelligence and fellowship.
Politicians should follow this format
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
Joe:"bunch of unfuckable white guys"
*Magician with pony tail* ....
He's actually cut his hair but you can't see it here cos of the hat
Augmented Four what
wow.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Joe's trite shtick is to discredit people by pigeonholing them and painting them all with the same brush. This is a tactic often used by individuals who have an agenda and a very limited intelligence in carrying it out. This tactic works wonders as he is obviously catering to the lowest common denominator.
Penn is absolutely right about what his daughter is doing. Take anything and let yourself question “what if this isn’t true”, and you can still hold on to the truths of the world. It’s a willingness to let go and still believing reality. Penn is smart!
Wish more people and parents especially would use your advice when on about religion. Let people make their own minds up about a all seeing all knowing imaginary man in the sky without it being rammed down their throats
What he basically said was it's all not true can't be but it's a cool little brain exercise
Yup. I believe a 100% that we went to the moon. I also believe that during the space race, an ungodly amount of lies and half-truths were told by each side to their own citizens. We tend to think that propaganda is something that cartoony villain states do but really, every single country on earth dabble in it.
@@jonnysupreme The all seeing all knowing god is a falsehood created to discredit my Father.
Even the bible with its lies woven in tells us plainly its god is not what religion claims he is.
G..e..n 18...20:
" i have heard reports the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are extremely evil. Everything they do is wicked. So i am going down to see for myself whether or not these reports are true. Then i will know "
CLEARLY the god being proclaimed by religion is a lie.
My Father cant even tell if angels are lying.
He needs to investigate to know the truth.
He didnt know Eve would allow lucifere to teach her forbidden knowledge.
But he was prepared to suffer a horrific death if she did to establish a paradise earth for all eternity.
My Father didn't create hell. He suffered its worst tourture to bring about its climatic destruction.
My Father doesn't know everything before it happens or even while its happening. But he prepares for the worst.
It’s so amazing to listen to a conversation that has no ego involved. It’s beautiful
It's so.........normal.
Joes ego was hurt when he realized penn said in a round about way that joes critical thinking is more like poetry rather than having any real basis in reason
Theres plenty of ego
The idea that we could send people to the moon in the 1960's becomes more and more ridiculous by the year.
No, it doesn't. But sure, just keep on denying any data that proves you wrong without actually inspecting said data.
You're not really very bright, are you.
That’s what I told my geometry instructor in school. “I don’t know geometry, but I know fuckery. I know when you are bullshitting me with triangles.”
Regardless as to how you feel about his views, I am always impressed with just how articulate Penn Jillette is when giving interviews and having free-flowing conversations.
He reads a lot even to this day.
Articulate or ...........long winded
You could train 2 groundhogs to do podcast
I'm addicted to pigger nussy 🤠
No one loves hearing Penn talk as much as Penn Himself.
The Moon landing, A] we did do it, several times, B] it was incredibly expensive, C] we suffered two catastrophic failures in the process [Apollo I and Apollo XIII] and D] at the end after the American public lost interest and lost confidence after our defeat in Vietnam and realized exactly how risky and dangerous and expensive the whole Apollo program actually was and discontinued the program. Then we built a Space Shuttle and killed 4.66 times the number of astronauts with that than we killed with Apollo. This is the way gigantic government programs actually work. You don't need a conspiracy for this.
That and, the Apollo Program had a huge industrial footprint. Something like half a million people worked on some part of the program. When I was in industry I worked for a company that did work for the Apollo Program, we had a few parts on the Lunar Module ascent engine as a subcontractor for Bell Aerosystems, because we had done work for Grumman, because we did work for Pratt & Whitney. So, even as late as the late 1990's upstairs in the loft above the parts room, under an inch of dust were the test fixtures that were used to test those parts, along with the test fixtures for the parts we had on the J-58 engine used on the SR-71. I laid my hands on these thing, they were real, they were there. They may still be there under an inch an a half of dust now. Thousands of people know, because they built it and did it, and millions know, because they had direct contact with the people who built it and did it.
If you notice, the whole conspiracy theory didn't start till years later, when the direct path of people who knew was starting to stretch a little thin. Also, there was an identifiable starting point for the conspiracy theory and then a history that continues to evolve and mutate away from a provable solution rather than towards arriving a a single reality. That is not a good sign for intellectual integrity.
Conspiracy theories only ever expand, not narrow.
Who killed JFK? - dunno - they seem to have gotten away with it, but there was at the very least the conspiracy of the, 'we've got everything under control,' people in our government. Quick! don't let anyone panic, don't dig too deep! That's a conspiracy, a fairly benign one, one that will probably make finding out what really happened impossible.
Sheesh. You should dust, man! I'm sure you've got some respirators lying around.
As for JFK, an interesting theory is a shape charge on the back of the front seat. It fits from my perspective I suppose.
Beyond that, any which way you look at it, there is one truth we can all agree on. It changed history immensely-and not for good.
I believe a lot of conspiracy theories were born out of a yearning for knowledge and finality from truth. Now I see it devolving into something akin to the screaming man on an NYC corner with the budweiser inner-carton. You get the picture. Yeah, the end is coming, obviously. But to what end?
The hell we gonna do is the world really is flat? What the hell this garbage about the sun being fake? There's nothing constructive within it because it's the garbage in:garbage out system at work.
If we look at this from the outside, it's really just an evolution of humanity that seems awfully reactive based on political climates and social unrest. Hence the fear mongering on television day in and out. Depends if you want you ham and eggs served up Red or Blue I guess.
What the hell was I talking about?
@@Pollutical Thanks for your reply. There are certain things we can know. With a little knowledge of descriptive geometry, go out on a cold night - or a warm one - and by observing a lunar eclipse you *can* prove that the earth is round. You, by yourself. Boil some water, measure its temperature. You can prove a few basic fact, and build up a knowledge of what it takes to actually prove something as factual ,no matter how complex the subject.
Kennedy's assassination? Can you 'prove' anything beyond Lee Harvey Oswald did it, and then a whole lot of people moved in to make sure it was proved? Not really. Can raise a lot of questions though.
This does not mean there is no reality.
problem being - if any part of it were true they'd be no need to lie and so it all unravels with just one lie (and they have lied a lot...) sceptics don't have to be astrophysicists - they just have to spot the lies, the CGI and the green-screen effects and apply common-sense. the new religion of scientism has just as many doubters, now that people have awoken to the logical fallacies used to dumb down the masses. equally, many millions are spent making props and dressing film sets - which sure look real enough to fool the unwary. the reason questions started being asked later isn't difficult to rationalise either - inconsistencies started to show up. the world was a very different place back in the 60's (no mass communication for one thing..) and not unlike the movies - it's not difficult to get people to suspend the power of reason when they 'want to believe'. when you further understand the esoteric aspect of finance and that government doesn't have any actual money and that governments create and exchange debt as currency, then you begin to understand why there is so much 'debt' (spending on bs projects that gather dust) but these projects are always around weapons and exotic ways to kill people...who killed Kennedy? it wasn't Lee Oswald or his brother Harvey (oops)
Human nature; many people are lazy to fact search & just run on the spoken words & emotions.
-Conspiracy & Speculation are interesting & real news comes from Internet, Comedy & The Enquirer.
TNX Joe, Penn & comments
Having built the components doesn't mean they didn't go with a contingency plan. NASA simply could have assessed the risks and timelines and executed plan B: Fake-the-landing. They subsequently could have (or not have) gone to the moon. Considering that the Russians have been ahead of the Americans in the Space Race every step of the way to a moon landing, this would have been a compelling strategy.
Too bad people can't take pride in such a technological achievement we accomplished so long ago. I know, I worked on Apollo.
Joe sure has changed his tune on the moon
Natty Fatty Powerlifting fuck the moon
@@bigeazy126 wear a condom though
he just doesnt wana b deplatformed joe knows whats up
@@samuelyanke1150 seriously?
@@samuelyanke1150 Real people evolve over time as they learn shit, especially when they're around really smart people. It the people who can't admit error who are screwed and never learn anything.
It's hilarious that conspiracy nuts always "know" Joe is lying, and will not consider any of the many other possibilities. Hell, even if he is not telling the truth, it could be due to a head injury, a blown fuse in his brain with drugs, or maybe he was abducted, molested, and brainwiped by shapeshifter space aliens.
As for deplatforming, Google is still happily paying thousands of people to upload countless hilarious lizard shape shifting alien, flat earth, moon landing, hollow earth, and who knows what else. Literally more monetized "moon landing conspiracy" videos than you could ever watch. See how many videos have been running for 5 years, with ads, titled "They don't want you to know", or "Watch this before they take it down". That's so damn funny, "they don't want you to know", but they recommend the damn video on my sidebar until I finally click "don't show me this shit anymore".
Penn is one of those dudes that can talk for 10 minutes without really saying anything.
"I have a lot of words to use to arrive at a simple point so let me waste your time for a bit"
is he Kamala's husband ?
Joe, you don’t need to be an astrophysicist to believe we put a man on the moon.
You just have to be gullible.
@@josephrohland5604 Lol. You honestly don’t believe that we put a man on the moon?
@@jimmydriveway I NEVER believe the first story I hear about ANYTHING.
@@josephrohland5604 You didn’t answer my question. Do you believe the United States has landed on the moon and that astronauts walked on the moon?
"I can explain that too -- I don't know what I'm talking about" That's such an honest response. It had me laughing
Black people believe in big foot though. We just don’t want to find it lol
Akayla Braxxton 😂🤣
I think it’s the most interesting one. Even if 99% are lying that 1% makes it awesome
lol got more important things to worry about, makes sense.
Oh you speak for all black people. Please tell me more.
@@eyeconqueror1185 You must be fun at parties.
Joe “I do know fuckery” Rogan
Joe “fuckery” Rogan loll
NASA
shut the f up. Joe is always on point.
@@flipnshifty who shit in your coffee this morning?
And he made a living doing fuckery
In other words, this is Penn's way of politely dismissing something instead of rudely dismissing things like he usually does.
It's an art. This is a great debate strategy when you don't really have a viable argument. Neither one of them are able to argue proven facts because the government has not released anything. Penn happens to use this beautifully and politely and not condescending. This whole debate is done well. It doesn't seek to prove the subject matter but to find answers or come to an agreement the merits of each other's points.
I know it was probably just a slip up, but there was no Gemini 15. The last Gemini flight was Gemini 12 with Jim Lovell and Buzz Aldrin. Michael Collins was on Gemini 10.
Any fans of Penn’s 2007 radio show where he talked about some comedian named Joe Rogan not believing in the moon landing here in 2019? This is such a full circle moment.
It really is.
That’s nuts!
Link it.
Joe is a top government shill now though
Some Entitlement issues then why u here, people like u confuse the fuck outta me lol
Joe sure loves talking about conspiracy theories when Eddie isn't here.
Bryan Historia Eddie hurts his Jui Jitsu brand and by extension a lot of his associated products and organizations when he goes down his rabbit hole.
@@Zyrkseas no he doesnt he triples it. Plus everything he says is true. Joe is a brainwashed bald moron.
@@themorgan9805 everything? Damn
dankajay why would he say look into it if the argument he’s making isn’t backed up by facts? It’s only controversial because people shut it down by resorting to gasp.
The quick CZcams search Eddie does for his facts can quickly be debunked by another quick CZcams search to the contrary.
Nothing should be off limits from discussion, especially something we are told to believe.
B&W TV's, carburetor cars and could hardly make a call from the states to Europe. Yet we went to the moon? Oooook.
Jet planes, rockets, computers, radiation suits and long range communication devices are just a few of the items left off your list .....
@@SH-ib5nn Which means absolutely nothing but yeah nice try. Remember those wonder jet planes couldn't break the sound barrier. Also there were no long range communications. Hell they didn't even have colored TV's jajajaja what a joke!
@@veganlifestyleloveanimals1744 is incorrect - The first official recognition of sound barrier being broken by a manned aircraft is in 1947 .. Satellite communications, trialled in the 50's with Sputnik 1 being the first recorded in 1957. Then Bell labs in 1962, launched their first commercially available 2 way comms' satellite, Telstar 1... and lastly, colour TV services have been available since 1951.
The above rebuttals are all factual and can easily be verified. It wad not my intention to embarrass you, instead purely stated facts, so others can have/learn more information than you have access to...
Fai il bravo, Ciao Ciao!
@@SH-ib5nn Colored TV came out in 53, however burned out under 90 day's and wasn't considered worth buying until 73 when the sets lasted. The sound barrier was broken in 47 however wasn't considered safe until 68 as they were crashing and most blowing up. They were experimental. Nice try Einstein but um vaffan------culo 😁
@@SH-ib5nn Awwwwe just when you thought you actually had something intelligent to say.
I love how when Joe explains why he doesn't "know" we didn't land on the moon by giving points that give the probability of us having been on the moon at around 5%.
so how did the mirror arrays that every country uses get there? magic?
@@johnpliskin8759 un-manned flight?
We went and something already owned the moon and told us to get the fuck out and never come back.
@@johnpliskin8759 . They were bouncing lasers off of the moon to measure distance in the early 50’s,long before mirror arrays, with a little research, you can find it, it’s all there
I’ll take those odds . Double or nothing
Joe “I have 0 knowledge of astrophysics” Rogan
You fake ass thug stfu.
Slim Jesus is your cousin isnt he??
Joe “I’m a nerd” Rogan
Wow n i get no likes on mines
@@m.u.b.u4l50 you ain't no MUBU bro stop pump fakin calling somebody a fake thug😂
My favorite thing about Rogan is how much he listens
Can't be done now, couldn't have been done 54 years ago.
*_"Can't be done now"_*
Project Artemis sends its regards.
*_"couldn't have been done 54 years ago."_*
Supersonic passenger air travel can't be done now, couldn't have been done 20 years ago. Conclusion? Concorde was a hoax.
Specifically, what technology was lacking that meant the Apollo Programme couldn't be done "54 years ago"? Incidentally, the last lunar landing was 51 years ago.
The world was never changed by small minds and limited thinking
Thing is, Russians did lots of conspiracies, like flying saucer, it is not out of this world to think it's fake. No money spent and scare enemies in to thinking you have a superior tech. Or all the money they've spent on it(supposedly) used for something else. It would be perfect.
I admire how real and humble Joe is.
He's an actor. They always know where the camera is
@@duderama6750 and you're a fucking clown so get your pie ready...
Joe needs to be honest about his knowledge about other topics too, but he’s not.
@@nitro8in “Has anyone personally witnessed Armstrong or Aldrin on the moon?”
No, you’ve got a REALLY good point there. No one saw them do it with their own two eyes. You’ve got me there.
Of course literally millions saw them on television, but I suppose that doesn’t prove anything. They saw each other of course, and took hundreds of pictures, but you’re not going to accept that. Michael Collins saw them heading down to the Moon from the Command Module, and watched them coming back, but I suppose you consider him biased as well.
And several people around the world saw the space capsule going to the Moon on radar, but they couldn’t actually see the astronauts inside. And lots of people picked up the radio transmissions from the capsule, but again, they couldn’t actually see the astronauts inside.
So, no, there was no one else on the Moon to actually watch Neil and Buzz being there. So there you go, you’ve got a point, whatever it is.
“And sexy”
There was no Gemini 15, Doofus; 12 was the last.
Conspiracy theorists are like me when I look at 100 reviews of a product and ignore the 99 who say it's good but put greater credence on the 1 review that hated it.
@Alien Intention No, he's dead fucking on. Conspiracy theory is the sophistication of the ignorant. The problem is your life and intellect is so thoroughly average and unremarkable that the only way you can mitigate that gnawing insecurity you get around people smarter than you is to think you've got some special insight into some issues, and that only you and your elite 'lone wolf' 'free-thinking' buddies can see what others can't. It's sad, really.
@@allrequiredfields I can't speak in defence but it's a mindset I've better understood with time. A conspiracy needn't be solely compared to lizard people or sheeple as the term goes. It can mean something as far out as that or relate to a large company, say Amazon, that doesn't pay their staff a living wage.
The term conspiracy was really hijacked when the film was released in the 90s to mean a tin-foiled-wearing seeker of truth. In an age where you can pull up a wiki page, a CZcams channel, a blog, some people are bound to have some sort of existential crisis with information they sought themselves without cross referencing etc. When you can, in this world, unfriend people that disagree with you and surround yourself with those who solely agree, you might delude yourself without that challenge. Hence societies, like flat earth, are formed as to affirm each other they aren't wrong or insane.
I would have agreed with your final point regarding insecurity but I have since met people who are just misinformed, not uneducated or illiterate, that just want to think for themselves - perhaps a deep-seated issue of always being told and not listened to when growing up, so they go their own way. Being on the internet will exacerbate ignorance if ignorance is what you're affirmed by online and within societies. The ones who still think wrongly after being informed otherwise tend to be the problem that stains the rest.
allrequiredfields you have zero proof. That’s the problem. You’re blindly trusting science fiction and assuming a labcoat means you’re an authority.
@@zackattack635
Trusting science fiction?
What are you talking about? Science fiction is not real. It says it right there in the two words.
Sukhbir Sekhon correct. We didn’t go to the moon. That’s why nobody else went after us... that’s why we “lost the technology” from 1969 and “are having a difficult time recreating it” as Astronaut Don Pettit said. The absurdity of the lies at this point says more about those who still believe we went. Science cucks desperate to make their Star Trek fantasy a reality won’t let it go.
Isn't the fake photo from Michael Collins book "Carrying the fire." I don't think NASA had anything to do with it
Maybe so maybe not.... But Joe has said this a few times and he still hasn't seemed to look into it himself.
Yes Joe has been wrong about it for years and doesn't listen to anyone telling him the truth
It's his proof dammit
A conspiracy theorist doctored the real image of 'zero g' training found in 'Carrying the fire' then presented it as proof that NASA doctor images.
@@RichieMcCormick1888 like what coloring the pictures of planets and galaxies? They're not keeping it a secret.
Richie mC You’re an idiot haha
The photo of michael Collins he is referring is not a NASA photo, it's just used in one biography that was made.
It was a training photo but was never sold as anything else. At least not by NASA because everyone has alwayw been honest that there's no EVA photos from Gemini 10. Gotta tell Joe about it on twitter but he'll probably ignore it.
There's so so many other reasons and evidence that we didn't go to the moon. Tons of it
@@aworldreborn881 if anything has a comment section, it's not credible. Out goes your CZcams scientist.
@@ShHeMiLeRe But he said Gemini 15. No one was on Gemini 15.
@@aworldreborn881 none of it provable though. Lots of supposition and conjecture from people (like Joe Rogan) who don’t know anything.
The arrogance that arises from the arguments from incredulity and ignorance is astounding.
Penn is a goddamn poet
Poet is a goddamn Penn.
YO, WHATS UP WITH THE LOVE FOR BLK DUDES IN COMEDY????
UNFCKABLE WHTE DUDES....
YALL HEARD THE AMOUNT OF GGGEY SHTT THEM BLK DUDES BE DOING IN JAILLLL.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Goddamn poet is a penn
@@Soulreaper8181
PIMPPP CULTURE IS HUMAN TRAFFFICKING CULTURE....Y THESE PEEPS CELEBRATED THAT FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS????
There were no goddamn Penns involved. There was a moon however.
I agree with this guy, sometimes conspiracy theories are a logic based exercise for me and very interesting.
Even flat earth?
I understand what he's saying. Everyone has what seems to be a primal need to question things. Having a place to question things in a safe environment is leading to a new creative movement in which people are able to express their craziest theories with little worry, and therefor exercise that need for critical thinking and philosophizing. But, it can sometimes be taken too seriously and that is the kind of people that Joe is referring to, the ones that got roped into the game
Nothing was funnier than watching Joe back in the day discuss the alleged moon landing cover up.
Ah so that's his schtick!
I think a lot of flat earthers are just practicing their debating skills.
Nah, for them, being louder means "I'm right".
@Ginger Ginger Who said that governments never lie?
However, flatards, oh boy do they lie and deceive just to make a quick buck out of the gullible.
@Ginger Ginger Why do you want to see a live feed of a rocket leaving Earth?
Do you also want a live feed of a plane from take off all the way to landing?
All you will see is a bright point of light, because why would you waste money keeping a camera still in orbit just to see something that physics 100% allow?
@Ginger Ginger Are movies for the most part boring? because if they are boring, you can bet your ass I will skip most of it.
The most interesting part of a rocket launch or of a plane, are the beginning and the end parts, so yes, I don't have a need to see all of it when I know physics allow them to work as designed.
@Ginger Ginger You still have nothing against it though.
How does the joke go? NASA got Stanley Kubrick to fake the Moon landings but he insisted that they film on location.
In case you guy are wondering about what photo Joe was talking about, NASA never doctored any photos. Someone doctored a photo from Collins' book and claimed NASA released it, but none of those people can point to the press release or book where NASA claimed the doctored photo was real.
Phil explained my stance on conspiracies perfectly when talking about how his daughter approaches them. To me, its a fun exercise of logic and reason to question and investigate events throughout history. Although the official story is typically most likely correct since it has the most legitimate evidence supporting it along with the appeal of authority (scientists, intellectuals, governments, etc.), to question and pick apart the narrative is always a fun, intriguing rabbit hole to go down for many people, including myself, who are fascinated by conspiracy theories.
Give me just one peice of evidence for billions of galaxies beyond a photo that can be faked.
There isnt any.
Its a matter of trust. Its faith in those who supply IMFORMATION.
It’s important to keep in mind that, sometimes scientists and intellectuals/academics are biased by their own “authority”… and governments lie all the time.
In the case of governments, often the “what” may be true, but the “who”, the “how” and the “why” are distorted for unknown, convoluted (and usually pragmatic) reasons.
Take the Kennedy assassination:
Most sensible people would agree that it happened…
But most of us may never know who ordered it, who was involved, how many were involved, or why it was ordered.
There are lots of “theories” about those details… but definitive evidence to prove or disprove any of them has been deliberately obscured, misrepresented or destroyed. Then you can start down the rabbit hole of all of the theories as to why THAT may have been done.
Joe Rogan vs Phil Plait was hilarious. Joe sounded so unbelievably stupid the entire time. It's weird to me that Penn is being so nice about it now, because back then it was clear he (correctly) believed Joe was a meathead.
Do you have the link/ access or are you completely full of shit
Joe 'the world is made of weird stuff' Rogan
Exactly; I HATE feeling duped. I'm a child of the 60's. I continue to be amazed each time I stumble across facts intentionally omitted throughout my public school education. The confirmation bias that ran my life for decades was constructed FOR me. And btw, the scientific method works both ways: when was the last time you heard of the null hypothesis as the beginning point for say, pharmaceutical "research"? I now try to focus on questioning and listening rather than defending - but always a challenge.
I you really prepared to be shocked (be sure that you can handle it) read the American Pravda series by Ron Unz.
@@roodborstkalf9664 Thanks. I will.
@@roodborstkalf9664 LOL! Just looked it up - I had read a few and didn't remember. But thanks again, off to read some more.
I’ve worked in a bioscience research institute, it actually happens a lot. Most drugs fail early on and even farther on in clinical trials often times. I know the business of the pharmaceutical industry is fucked (especially neuropsychopharmeuticals, the area I worked scientifically and the only field where the high level bioscientists really seemed to resent their counterparts who “sold out” to work for pharmaceutical companies, you don’t see that in immunology/virology, oncology, etc. in the pharmaceutical industry nearly as much), and the scientists know but the problem is that guys from the business schools especially (and to some degree law schools) have the power at the end of the too often. Basically the MBAs run everything, the JDs help them get away with it, meanwhile the PhDs tend to be in the lab doing the actual work lol (and MDs/Dos doing to the treatment/clinical work too, though some of them are scammy cunts and others are brilliant saints, there’s a very broad mix among physicians lol, the people who just wanted high paying high status guaranteed jobs and were willing to do whatever it took to get it mixed in with the highly intelligent and intellectually curious and compassionate driven types). Basically the dumbest (as far as educational quality, difficulty and degree, admissions criteria standards, and literally IQ scores) ones and most amoral ones (business school basically teaches you to do whatever it takes to get yourself rich lol law school tries to teach ethics but it often just teaches how to skirt law and liability) tend to have the most power and influence while the smarter scientists actually interested in truth and the greater good over money tend further down the ladder. However, I have to add that this applies to the private sector far more than the public sector (except under Republican presidents to some degree lol then it’s private industry folks coming into to make their friends and selves money by pillaging and sabotaging the government and then saying see government doesn’t work lol e.g. USPS, sad).
I remember this podcast. This was waaaaayyyyyy back when their were hardly any podcasts. It was epic
Joe definitely doesn't believe they went to the moon lol
Penn is about to do the disappearing sausage trick
wow Jesus these comments lol
That made me involuntarily laugh. You must be proud
David Knell I swear
Bravo 😂😂
he did before the camera rolled
Penn says 1000 words to make one point, that my friends - is self indulgence.
Another person skilled at making a minutes worth of content last 15 minutes
Revisit? Moon landing? I see where this is going.
I think the head of NASA shot JFK for telling everyone we were going to the moon😂
CIA killed him because he wanted to end The Federal Reserve.
Doug Hemmen Israel for opposing their covert nuke program. Look into it.
@Michael Mc you the real MVP
It'd be nice if Penn demonstrated the ability to change his mind, drop the satirical/caricaturing act, and followed logical arguments versus clinging to ego and toeing the party line.
If he wins it's because of how he just described Joe's approach
Both have ego, one is simply more subtle ! 😉
I love the fact that joe checks himself about knowledge more than anyone of his guests his opinion is formed based on knot knowing enough.... His point in any conversation is the fact that he just wants to learn what he doesnt know and he positions all the conversations in that manner i love it
What makes Joe great? Well for a start, he is not afraid to openly admit that he does not know everything. If he does not fully understand a thing he says I do not know. That is real wisdom.
I can't wait for the podcast with Teller.
Penn is a gift to humanity.
I made it my mission to go see their show in Vegas. I thought I most likely will not be in Vegas for a very long time so why not go see Penn and Teller.
It was well worth it. At one point they pass around a book of jokes and Penn suddenly says stop and the person with the book is asked to describe themselves and he can guess what joke you chose.
The book landed on me!!! I was part of the show albeit from my seat.
Penn did correctly guess what joke I chose. I didn’t examine the book but for all I know the same jokes repeat every three pages. It was a great show.
Tf?
The reason you can't send birds to space and have them live is because bird diaphragms need gravity to function, unlike the autonomic muscular process mammals have.
Penn strokes Joe to completion
Verbal blow jobs
Ooooooowe..never seen so much dancing, misdirection and deflection in my life.
Like a boxing match with Ali.
6:27 Earth orbit, not Earth's orbit.
"the magic bullet theory in the Kennedy assisination" is a myth propagated by the JFK film which didn't take account of the fact that the back seat and front seat were on different heights and different horizontal alignments. So when you line up the chairs in a perfectly parallel square (like the movies did) the bullet appears to swerve.
Edit: Here is one of the best 3D animations I have seen which show the actual straight line path of the bullet: czcams.com/video/-nUvSPFKJ3o/video.htmlm35s
That's not true. They only line up if you move Kennedy's back wound up about 5 inches to the base of his hairline. And nobody has exactly replicated Oswald's 'shot.' Carlos Hathcock couldn't do it ffs. If Hathcock says the shot is impossible, it's freaking impossible. This man killed someone with a sniper rifle from more than a mile away. Nobody on Earth is pulling off Oswald's shooting 'feat' with a shitty WW2 bolt action rifle, with a badly fitted and unaligned scope. Nobody. The world's best shooters need multiple attempts (with a fully functioning Manlicher Carcano) to even get close. According to the Government Oswald supposedly got off two perfect shots, about a second after the worst shot in history, not only missing the President, not only missing the Limo, but missing the entire street! Its horseshit.
czcams.com/video/-nUvSPFKJ3o/video.htmlm35s
@@bydesign3169 I know all about Dale Myers man. His rendering of Kennedy in that animation is physiologically preposterous. His head, neck and shoulders have been specifically blown out of all proportion to try to ensure the trajectory somewhat works. The best authority on the JFK case is Jim DiEugenio. The man knows more about the case than any other living person. He's even gone as far as reading the entire Warren Commission volumes, multiple times, as well as the Church Committee, the House Select Committee on Assassinations and The Association Records Review Board.
@@garymck5181 the 3D model looks pretty proportional to me, do you have a better 3D model?
Go sell insanity somewhere else.
The beauty is not the topic, but the discourse. Efficient, thoughtful conversations.
This interview hits differently in 2023. So many conspiracy theories have been proven to be TRUE now lol.
One of the biggest things that makes me skeptical of the moon landing is NASA saying we've lost the technology to do it again . Really ? In 69 we could but in 2021 we can't ? With all our advancements in technology ?
What?
NASA has never said they can't return.
There is another rocket (called Artemis), sitting on the launchpad right now that is the first step of returning men and women to the moon.
Sigh … it was on the internet , has to be true
If you understand the apollo program from the complexity of the saturn IV rocket, to the revolutionary redundant AGC (Apollo Suidance Computer), and the Lunar Module (LEM), than you'd know it was well within mans engineering and technical capacity to send humans to the moon. Landing on the moon was another issue, because how can NASA replicate 1/8th gravity, and design an aircraft that can and was only meant to be flown on the moon? The deisgn of the LEM was simple, but would it work was the real issue plaguing reality at the time. Buzz Aldrin was selected to be LEM commander and pilot because his college thesis was centred around "Line-of-Sight Guidance Techniques for Manned Orbital Renezvous."
It’s just so f’n stupid man. I’m sorry .
Imagine making 3d printing available in the 80's or 90's.
Imagine a trip to the Moon in 1969.
I don’t think there’s anything fascinating or poetic about finding out the government lies to you about 90% of everything
But they don't. You're simply told that they do.
Should we trust our governments? No. Patriotism, as far as I am concerned, involves distrusting the government. Keep them in check. They are our employees...they are to represent us, yet they are frequently self-serving. But that distrust is pointless if we're fooled into thinking that our government is always up to something and yet we can't discern when it is, and when it isn't - or detracts from genuine corruption or duplicity. Of course governments lie, deceive and conspire. No one in their right mind would suggest otherwise. But simply because they do that does not then logically follow that any random conspiracy theory of one's arbitrary choosing, devising or consequence of personal bias/agenda should automatically be assumed to be true.
And meanwhile online conspiracy theory is entirely and unfailingly honest, accurate and consistent, not in the least bit intentionally deceptive, misleading, fallacious, exploitative, opportunistic or manipulative and with your best interests at heart is entirely free of vested interest and agenda?
Wait ... does Joe really believe NASA was putting doctored images online in 1964?
sure the internet was running online in 53 they forgot to tell us humans
@@psiklops71 Gives new meaning to the acronym 'AOL'.
@Ginger Ginger That's not the problem
No he is referring to a doctored photo that was run in newspapers
@Ginger Ginger It was a joke about the internet being referenced as in use in 1964.
You figure there would be a way for them to show us satellite images of the shit they left on the moon, like the flag, etc. There has to be a convincing, realistic way of doing this.
Are you really so simple minded? Omg…
They do lol. They even have a mirror they shine lazers on to check distance & speed of light etc.
If the aim the Hubble telescope at the moon it would clear everything up quickly but they can’t because they never went to the moon they could have landed something on the moon’s surface so they can bounce back a laser from the moon . But they show them driving space buggy’s and and running them all over the surface of the moon in the sixties but the can’t land a man now to build a small space station????
Na they lied the moons fake but the landing is real🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Owo
most woke comment
Would it be at all possible for a mafucka (me) to request a URL of any sort which, once clicked upon, will take me down the rabbit hole we all know I'm after.
"I know zero astrophysics. But I do know fuckery.."
Joe Rogan
Penn Jillette doesn't have an open mind and is trying to justify it with poetry arguments.
I didn't knew Penn was carrying a bodycam. :-O
Great podcast by the way!
In regards to the Kennedy assassination, I believe their were multiple shooters. Each shooter was told that someone else would take the fall (including Oswald). When the witnesses said the shots came from the book depository the men that orchestrated the assassination decided Oswald would take the heat.
When Oswald was confronted by the press he said he was just a "patsy." I believe this statement alluded to a larger conspiracy. If I were blamed for killing someone (especially the president) I would probably say that I was innocent and had nothing to do with it. I can't rationalize why Oswald claimed he was a patsy unless there were others involved and he believed he wasn't supposed to be the fall guy.
Also, Jack Ruby knew Oswald. This has been proven. The whole assassination played out like a conspiracy. I think that if Oswald decided to stay in bed that day, President Kennedy would have still ended up dead. Don't forget this; the Warren Commission came up with the single shooter theory, but the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations believed that multiple shooters were involved.
Imagine if that happened today? There would have been so much video footage that we would have known for sure what actually happened.
What you believe means nothing. Most witnesses heard 3 shots. 3 spent shells were found in the Book depository and Oswald's rifle was found in the same room. Oswald was found hiding in a movie theater after he killed Officer JD Tippit in front of MULTIPLE witnesses.
"The whole assassination played out like a conspiracy." Looks more like a bad movie to me.