FAILED IN WCW | Wrestlers that Flopped!
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- FAILED IN WCW | Wrestlers that Flopped!
In a prior video we talked about wrestlers who for one reason or another never managed to succeed in WWE. But world wrestling entertainment isn’t the only place where great performers have failed, as the exact same thing happened many times in WCW. But what are the biggest examples of wrestlers totally flopping in this once great promotion? Well, that’s exactly what we’re going to be looking at today.
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WCW/WWE Cruiserweight Division (90s/2000s): Where Are They Now?
There’s a correction needed here……. Jake “The Snake” Roberts isn’t from Texas, he’s from Georgia.
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RIP Virgil 🙏
Meat Sauce
Soul Train Jones
And Ole
@@jasonnapier2942Forget that racist
Fuck em.
RIP Virgil. The only wrestler to interact with me online. Full of personality. Hell always be remembered in my mind
Don’t be saying rip when nobody took him seriously and never got his autograph
FACTS He’s probably in heaven right now selling 25 dollar 8X10 pictures.
Ya know, when I think of wrestling legends, the only Virgil that comes to mind is Virgil Runnels aka Dusty Rhodes. Michael Jones, aka Virgil aka Vincent among others, only comes to mind when I'm thinking of comedy gimmick characters who sometimes play a utility role. I feel like applying the term Legend to someone like that, for better or worse, is watering down the term that should be reserved for people who actually made an impact on the business.
@@dwaynejpeterkin, STFU! Virgil was very cool with me. I got a picture taken with him and an 8x10 photo signed by him as well.
@@crewdawg2008 aw man, shoot. I'll do better next time when I decide to remember someone I have a fond memory of. I'm sowwyyy
British Bulldogs spot on the WCW card in 1993 compared to his spot in 1999 is day and night.
Bulldog in 1993: Still relatively young, agile, could work and would've been World Champion had it not been for the Nightclub altercation
Bulldog in 1999: A way past his prime drug addict who couldn't even move anymore.
In both instances, his spot on the card was a good fit for what he brought to the table.
WCW with the signing of Bret Hart could of been the final nail in the coffin for WWF back then they had so much star power it was a joke they dropped the ball badly!
WCW definitely mishandled Bret when he joined, but Stone Cold was already a runaway train at that point. Nothing was going to stop him from taking over the industry.
@@jcwareham81 WCW at this point was still winning the rating war and was at their peak at Starcade 97 if they just didn’t both the finish and used Brett well who knows what could of happened Stone Cold probably still would of made WWF take the lead and work out the same but it would of been a close call if they used Brett correct and didn’t both the Sting vs Hogan match
Good grief dude, you spelled both his names incorrectly.
Bret “The Hitman” Hart. Not Brett Heart👎
@@BonesJJ haha sorry only just realised I just edited it
could have. could of doesn't exist.
Bret Hart didnt fail in Wcw. Wcw failed to use Bret Hart as the incredible talent he was. Hart made millions in wcw either way.
I heard one problem was that Bischoff promised him a match with Hogan, but Hollywood Hogan nixed it.
There was not much use in the worst drawing WWF Champion of the 90's, who wrecked Canadian Cities and american venues (best example: drawing 2,000 at the Meadowlands, the worst attendance any WWF Champion ever drew there) for the WWF in 1994 (most specifically, the Calgary Saddledome, Bret drew so badly there as Champion, the WWF just removed the city from their touring schedule for 2 years), who still holds the distinction of main eventing the worst drawing WWF PPV of all time. He just wasn't a draw, not even with the momentum of the Montreal Screwjob (it seemingly all went to Vince, who ran with it and never looked back)
It's best examplified by his Nitro debut. It drew a 4.1. The previous week got a 4.3
@@dhenderson1810 "that doesn't work for me, brother"
Yes winning all the three titles in such a small amount of time doesn't mean failure
@@ShadowAngel606nope.
Bret Hart did well but Bischoff and Hogan absolutely screwed his chances because they were jealous or at least Hogan was a complete asshole towards him.
You've really gotta make a distinction between people who failed in WCW (Warrior, Ray Traylor) and people who WCW failed (Bret, Mike Awesome).
Totally agree with you brother!!
Ray Traylor first used the name/character Big Bubba Rogers in Jim Crockett Promotions before going to the WWF the first time. He was brought into the company as the bodyguard of Jim Cornette. The Ultimate Warrior was only brought into WCW so Hogan could get his win back.
That's right about that Hogan/Warrior match
Actually, while Warrior was brought in to have a Hogan rematch, they DID try and get something out of him money-wise. His One Warrior Nation (OWN) was meant to take on the NWO. They had an entire program planned with Warrior, filled with tie-in merchandise. Unfortunately it was another WWE 1996 debacle and they quickly learned that he wouldn't help their brand in ratings or ticket revenue. Still, the pairing of WCW and Warrior seemed appealing from the outset and looked like a dream match on paper.
Bret Hart run in WCW was definitely the worst he had so much momentum coming off the Montreal screw job, and they wasted him
Bret is probably the only wrestler whos won multiple world titles, us titles, tag titles and be considered a failure in the company
@ericdemby4644 Also, the other wrestlers made sure Bret wasn't going to succeed, and when Goldberg injured him, he wrestled few more weeks without knowing how hurt he was
FACTS dude.
Bret never drew a dime anywhere. Look over the attendances he drew, the cities he destroyed, the negative records from the WWF he still holds to this very day (So many "lowest attendance drawn as WWF Champion" records)
He had no momentum. He never did. The fact that his Nitro debut completely bombed and the show overall drew a worse rating (by 0.2) than the previous week says everything you need to know.
British Bulldog had a successful WCW run in the early 90s actually. But his 2nd one kind of sucked. He would go back to the WWF shortly afterwards where he would eventually die. Mind you he wasn't really doing shit there either. The Clique made it where anyone Hart related was going to have a rough time. Klique politics in both companies was pretty brutal in the mid to late 90s
The fact that WCW failed talents as diverse as Bret Hart, Ultimate Warrior and the Sandman proves that they were capable of stripping what's special about anyone.
Sandman and warrior were not great performers by any stretch
They had personally to make up for their lack of ring skills
I never felt anyone would get a fair shake in WCW as long as Hogan was around.
Russo messed up a lot but at least he forced the move off Hogan. Which allowed Jeff Jarrett, Scott Steiner, & Booker T to capture gold.
I enjoy watching the perfect plex every single time.
I don't remember Sabu being there
It lasted only a couple matches in late 1995 before he got fired for being too reckless. Altough Sabu claims he lost out on a 400,000 dollar contract because his mother had a heart attack and he flew to the hospital, signing the contract "too late". Of course that's nonsense considering only Flair, Nash, Luger and Hogan made more than 400,000 in 1996 (Yes, not even Sting, not DDP, not Piper, not Scott Hall, not even the Giant or Arn Anderson)
Incidentally, I grew up with Tyler Fullington, the Sandman's son. Hak was Sandman's nickname in the neighborhood before he went to ECW
I forgot the Anvil was in WCW
If the Big Boss Man had come back as Bubba Rogers instead of the Guardian Angle, he might have gotten over the 2nd time with the character like the first time Bubba Rogers debuted.............
Yeah, it’s kind of unfair not to even mention Big Ray’s first WCW run, when he was Big Bubba Rogers, the enforcer for the Midnight Express.
@@zlinedavid he took that chair shot; I said run Dusty 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What's a Guardian Angle?
@tanyairwin3695 it's a guardian who can protect you from every angle! 💁♂️
@@tanyairwin3695 A person that guards the Percocet.
It is crazy how they dropped the ball on Bret. Poor guy gets screwed in one company just to go to the competition and get screwed by Hogan and Eric lol
FACTS bret was the hottest wrestler after the montreal screw job and wcw did nothing with him and made him another wrestler on the roster.
@@cliffordjackson3 Falcons !!
Bret screwed bret. He was an idiot thinking he could leave the company as the champion
@@Whocaresabouthandlesonyoutube Well yes, but he didn’t screw himself in WCW.
@@LRM5195 he wasn't interested in wcw and it showed watching back then was painfull
Goodbye Virgil so sad
Excellent video, Excellent choices . Made my day, really
Big Boss Man should've gone by "Man" after being stopped from using "Boss".
WCW could’ve just let Bret come out every week & rip Vince McMahon and it would’ve been gold
Actually informative and factual,nice job, earned yourself a sub mste
It’s hard to say Bret “flopped”. I would say he performed below expectations . But that doesn’t mean he flopped or had a terrible run. He was always in the mix and stayed involved in stuff. And did some good matches with mid card talent as well.
I’m a huge Bret Hart fan. I just think politicking in with Hogan and later Nash messed up his run. I think he would have been a good post NWO pivot point.
But I also think Bret was pretty demotivated at this point too. Despite the bad booking he just didn’t really have the same work ethic he displayed in WWF. It was literally just a paycheck for him. Lots of Bret Hart storylines were centered around Hart family stuff in the WWF. And that was never going to be a thing since WCW isn’t as connected to the Stu Hart organization as WWF was. So I think he was also hard to use
My favourite WCW Bret Hart match was against Chris Benoit at the Kemper Arena, on the one year anniversary Owen died.
The emotion between the two men, and in the audience, was palpable.
Bret's accomplishes in the WWF and WCW:
- Lowest drawing WWF Champion in the 90's (best shown with the House Show averages: (3,703, even Nash drew bigger with 4,464)
- Demolished Calgary with 2 horrendous shows (4,300 and 6,000 in the 20k Saddledome) leading the WWF dropping the city from their tour calendar for 2 years
- Lowest attendance any WWF Champion ever drew at the Maple Leaf Garden (3,500), Meadowlands (2,000) and MSG (4,300)
- Main eventing the lowest drawing WWF PPV of all time (IYH 5, barely 80,000 buys, again, even Nash did better with 100k buys at IYH4)
- The 1994 Hart Attack Tour was the first WWF Tour in Germany that wasn't a complete sell out.
- World Champion for the second lowest drawing Wrestlemania (12) of all time
- His debut on Nitro bombed so badly, the rating dropped by 0.2 compared to the previous week
WCW would've been foolish to push him even more than they already did.
@@ShadowAngel606 it’s weird to see that he drew bad in Canada. I would have thought he would have always drew well there. I can understand other tours as champion not being as great for him. He had big shoes to fill with Hulk Hogan. And yes compared to Hogan Bret was just not at that level. Very hard act to follow.
Anyway his WCW run isn’t really that much works than his WWF run honestly. Like I said he was always getting pushed and always kept a belt around his waist. I don’t think he was capable of any more. Clearly WCW knew he wasn’t a guy you can build your whole brand around. So why bother?
The Shockmaster stormtrooper gimmick would've been a better fit for the Hogan vs. Dungeon of Doom mid 90s angle.
Forget about all the other talent WCW had on their roster. Literally all it would have taken to put Vince McMahon and the WWF out of business would have been for Turner to use Bret Hart, Steve Austin, and Mick Foley correctly when they had the chance to do so.
Brutus the barber was one of the biggest names in the wwf from 1987 to 1991. Vice creates and legend while Eric bithoff and wcw have absolutely zero clue and no idea exactly what to do with him. See the difference
It didn't look right at all when they tried to transplant the ECW stuff into WWE and WCW shows with their sanitized environments and huge production budgets.
Eric should have put the Heart Foundation back over
I would have cut half the roster. Waaaaay too many contracts for useless guys. The NWO was out of hand with the number of below average wrestlers. You could have saved millions and still had the deepest roster ever put together. I don't know how they screwed that goldmine up.
I recall hearing WCW being described as the result of “the inmates taking over the asylum.” Hogan, Nash, Bishoff and a few others accumulated so much backstage mojo that they booked everything to their own personal gain. Evidently, they cut a lot of promising “upper mid-card” wrestlers like Jericho and Benoit off at the knees (“No heavyweight title shot for you!”) or checked the possible rise of other big name stars from other promotions where they could….unless you were Sting or Ric Flair, two guys with long and storied careers in WCW or even NWA.
I don’t know how much weight this story should have though. IMO, WCW for whatever reason signed some guys they legit DIDN’T know what to do with. Sabu, Sandman are cases in point. The “suits” knew damn well they’d never allow these guys to 100% “flash back” to the brutality of their ECW days but I hope they still paid well.
Anybody else ever heard the “Hogan-Nash” angle?
@@tonyjones1560In some cases, it is called "warehousing".
You sign a talent and store them, more to hurt your competitor than benefiting yourself.
Some of these signing were simply to stick it to WWE or ECW rather than any grand plan.
@@dhenderson1810 Thanks, that makes sense! It never occurred to me that “warehousing” could have been the case. Never even heard the term, honestly. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to me though.
14:57 BEER CAN!!!
Drugs were the issue with Bulldog and Anvil. It’s on record. By the way both men had chances in 1993 there too.
15:00 that throw at Kurts head was just.... How do you say?.... Perfect😎
Jake was known more for being from Georgia, not Texas.
1:11 Debra Wilson...seems like she's in every video game these days.
The 1993-Run from Davey was a quite good one…
Jake Roberts had two major issues in WCW.. He said in shoot interviews he was promised a good payday from Bill Watts but when Watts was fired, he lost that amount with whom ever the next boss was. The Halloween Havoc1992 Spin he Wheel Make the Deal angle match vs Sring SUCKED only because a "coal miners glove match" was selected. WTF out of how many other gimmick matches. True he was doing more promos than matches
I put Bulldog flopping in WCW less on Bischoff and more on Davey being at the height of his drug issues
I will never understand why they botched Mike Awesome so badly. Hell he was my favorite ECW wrestler because yeah he was flippin awesome! But when WCW got him......geez wtf were they thinking?
Because Vince Russo said all talented needed to have character and couldn’t just be someone that gets over with in ring work. He is also the guy to blame for the 3 minute matches and short attention span. He claims that ppl don’t want a match that needs to be two segments
I can’t help but think that Mike Awesome was *buried* in WCW. He went from doing running Awesome Bombing opponents into the back of ambulances in Japan, to ECW champion, to…That 70s Guy. The Fat Chick Thrilla. I’m legit not sure that he could have outrun this mess even had he returned to Japan or gone anywhere else?
At least WCW paid him, unlike ECW, where the talent were living on empty promises by Paul Heyman.
I hope before Heyman goes into the HoF, he has paid out all the back pay he owed everyone in ECW.
When Bret went over to WCW who had the most pull with management. I would argue Hogan. The same hogan that screwed Brett in the WWF and said that they weren’t on the same level. So if hogan didn’t want Brett to be a serious contender in WCW why was Brett hired? Simply because doing so would possibly hurt WWF.
It’s the same thing they did with Alondra Blaze. Had her come over, bin the title and then did nothing with her. All to spit in Vince’s eye.
Bulldog likely got let go due to drug abuse
Which started with painkillers he started taking after the trapdoor incident.
Davey Boy had another run with WCW before this and the main reason he didn't do anything in his last run was that he was a drug addict.
So many of these stars are no longer with us....Good lord that's depressing....
They could have used the Bulldog’s first run in 93’ as well.
Back when he tagged with Sting to face Sid Vicious & Big Van Vader.
They didn’t do squat with him then either.
It was the 2nd run in WCW for both Anvil and Daveyboy.
I forgot about hardcore hak lol
I read that WCW regret giving Awesome that huge contract but he wouldn't quit. So they gave him those gimmicks so he would quit
Are you F#@%ing kidding me? Big Boss Man with Jim Corvette is some of the best work Ray Trailer was known for. That was so over in the beginning.
HHH should be on there. Tera Ryzing indeed
RIP Mike Awesome, as he was one of my favorite wrestlers I didn't see near enough of. So talented, he never got half his due.
I can see why putting Curt Henning on the list makes sense and I am not really going to argue it but for me this may be my personal thing. His swerve for me was the most heartbreaking betrayal ever. So for that I wouldn't call it a fail I would call it unfulfilled.
He was one of the top NWO guys at first, and the Rednecks thing got organically over. He did get lost in the shuffle a time or two though.
Davey Boy Smith was a main eventer/challenger against WCW Champion Vader and TV Champion Lord Steven Regal in his first run in WCW in the early 90s but this doesn´t count or what?
So 95% of WCW talent failed 😂
I liked how brett trolled everyone by calling out el dandy
You kinda left out a key factor to Davey Boy Smith's failure in WCW; he was highly "medicated" so to speak...
I think if bret hart destroyed the nwo the wrestling world might be a little different
They didn't fail in WCW, WCW failed them.
You should rename the Video , Wrestlers failed by WCW
I cant see Warrior without hearing him say "HOKE HOGAN!"
R. I. P ole and virgil!!!!
Virgil gone to the big convention in the sky. Hopefully the line at lonely Virgil's table goes on for miles
Do you people do any research? Davey was in awful shape and in deep with his addiction
Curt hennigs perfect plex on the big show in wcw is easily one of the most impressive feats in wrestling history. Of no one has seen it search for it. It was simply amazing
I think the fact that Bret and Jim flopped because they didn't have the Hart family legacy to both live up to and rely on for popularity. In WWF, they were kings; in WCW, it was year-zero for them.
He shoulda reformed a version of the hart foundation with lance storm and Chris Benoit
Benoit jumped to WWE soon after.
So glad DDP got to Jake the Snake to assist him with his issues.
Great video keep up the good work
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I miss wrestler gimmicks,it ran its course back in the day but i wish theyd bring it back
Ray Traylor aka Big Bossman, used Big Bubba Rogers before his first WWF run. It was created/thought up by Jim Cornette and Dusty Rhodes.
There’s no reason Bulldog wouldn’t be a major player in WCW? Maybe they didn’t do anything with British Bulldog because he was a full blown junkie at the time…just maybe
You’re most likely right and with his bad vices they probably didn’t have any faith in giving him a title
And being that Bret was there I’m sure he told them about the match at Summerslam and how he had to help bulldog with his spots since Davey was hammered
This was Bulldog’s second run in WCW. Why does that get no mention?
But at that time when Paul Heyman was supposedly paying his talent until the checks start bouncing. That's when alot of his talent started jumping ship to either WCW or WWF to get paid better money under contracts.
There was too much talent and ego in WCW at the time. I mean, if you give the US title to Bulldog, what about guys like Benoit, DDP, Eddie, Booket T, etc? I'm not even sure what they cluld have done with Hart exactly except be a tweener, which is what they did.
Davey Boy was well past his prime. he looked so out of shape in WCW.
Mr. Perfect should've been a Four Horsemen instead of turning on them & joining the nWo. He was a "perfect" fit for that group
I don't blame the wrestlers.
It just goes to show you how poorly wcw was ran.
0:18 that barbed body halo would be a cool created wrestler piece
Why wasn’t Roddy Piper included in this?
Because Roddy was shrewed business wise and didn't do jobs for anybody. Looking back at the stuff before my time Roddy was awesome as a heel in the 80's, however I never understood his appeal.in the mix, late 90's
Bret hart vs sting should have been a top 10 match of all time
You just know WCW thought the war was over once they signed Bret
I felt like that both the British Bulldog (if he hadn't furtherly injured his knee) & Jim the Anvil Neidhart should have been molded & made WCW World Tag Team champions. But at that time The Outsiders clung onto those belts & they weren't going to strip them off either Hall & Nash to hand them over to Bulldog or Neidhart.
Most started in Memphis thanks to Jerry"The King"Lawler
Big Bubba Rogers was Bossman's original gimmick as Jim Cornette's bodyguard. WCW didn't invent it
Oh god, I completely forgot Curt Hennig was in WCW. And now that I remember, I now remember his feud with Master P's No Limit Soldiers after proclaiming his hatred for rap to the point that he did make country music. Man, his run there was so weird.
I do remember them playing "Hoodie Hoo" at one show. Do miss Master P and his marble swimming pool. His ramen isn't bad though.
As I recall, the storyline with Master P just fizzled out?
@@tonyjones1560 It was barely anything. He did one live performance and nothing else. His No Limit Soldiers, I don't remember any of them except for a big black guy named 4 x 4. They weren't anything, just like Brian Adams as The Kiss Demon
@@MoonSpiritChannel Thanks. I really couldn’t remember much detail but I thought a “country vs rap” angle had some potential had it been done correctly…
@@MoonSpiritChannelI think Rey Mysterio Jr was part of the No Limit Soldiers at one stage.
The anvil was wack without brett
RIP LONELY VIRGIL
He's eating olive garden in heaven now...
RIP VIRGIL/VINCENT. He was a big part of my childhood in both companies and had one of my favourite moments in winning the million dollar title.
Make one for AEW and TNA next since you did one for WWE and WCW.
Tbh I think Curt Henning did fairly well in WCW how can you forget he was in the Four Horsemen
Bret Hart when he showed up in WCW at the time was the hottest star in the industry after the screwjob and they dropped the ball. The poor guy got screwed over there too.
Granted, I see your point that WCW should have pushed Bret the Hitman Hart better than what they did. But he was the WCW United States Heavyweight champion & I really relished & liked that as a fan during that time. & I will never forget seeing both Rowdy Roddy Piper & Bret the Hitman Hart rekindling their old feud & especially when Piper defeated the Hitman for the WCW United States Heavyweight championship that made some headlines & news.
As bad as Mike Awesome’s WCW run was at least he was making money there as ECW wasn’t paying him well despite being booked similar to his Japan (FMW-E) run.
Didn't warrior tear his tricep it why he wore his coat while matching with Sting and doing nothing in the match.
All The Harts failing at WCW,? lol
Vince McMahon was rigjt about Bret Hart in WCW. They wouldnt know how to use him.
A bit like Vince with quite a lot of talent that went his way
All they had to do to make $$ with bret was have him beat the crap out of hogan the crowd would have eaten it up
Ray traylor didnt fail in nwa. Big bubba landed a gig as the bossman. Wcw failed when they had talent like kevin nash, steve austin and triple h and scott hall . Slapping them with stupid gimmicks.
next 2 mn show all the ones who did not flop
Hak was a nickname.
WCW HAD AWESOME TALENTS LIKE: The Harts and The NWO, BUT THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE FORESIGHT & THE CREATIVITY to survive The Monday Night Wars!!