Is Leica Really 5x Better Than Fujifilm? My Detailed Comparison
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 23. 07. 2024
- In this video I look at the Leica M11 and Fujifilm X-Pro3, and given the price difference, is the former five times better than the latter.
00:00 The Montage
00:34 The Introduction
02:01 The Metrics
02:18 Image Quality
03:24 Feature Set
04:18 Design
05:40 Ergonomics
07:29 Usability
08:50 Lens Ecosystem
09:45 Connectivity
10:54 Reliability
12:13 Customer Support
13:50 Community
17:26 Final Thoughts
18:08 Is Leica 5x better?
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Great video!
The thing that come to mind is, at what point does a photographer feel like they are receiving diminishing returns? At what point does the incremental improvement, functions or features donât feel worth the price tag? I believe that a professional that generates a good income and client base can more easily justify the incremental improvement. For others, especially those with financial limitations, good enough is more than enough. My takeaway from this episode is to know your art and the set of brushes that will allow you to create your masterpiece.
Well said, thank you for sharing đđŸ
Also, I think since Fuji is going after that feel/essence that Leica has kept all this time, and thatâs why the two will eternally be compared, Fuji should take some risks and make Fujinon manual focus lenses, even if they outsource them. That would be just amazing .
There's already a Voigtlander 35mm X mount manual lens and I've heard great things about it from people who own it. Definitely has a vintage look to the photos. That lens and an X-Pro 3 and you have a 'wallet friendly Leica' đ for about a fifth of the price.
Pair any Voightlander m mount lens with an adapter and youâve got the coveted Leica look. Concentrate on developing your eye and the name on the camera doesnât matter at all.
@@Seeattle Not gonna happen, that would mean an entirely new mount and camera line, and theyâve deliberately kept out of the FF battle. Hence their GFX âlarger than full frameâ strategy. If rumour is anything to go by, they are about to introduce a 40Mp XH2. Hence their new XT lenses having such high resolving power.
The reason why Leica works so well with the manual lenses, is the fact that they have an actual rangefinder mechanism, that was perfected during the last century. Fuji doesn't have that. Sure, their split manual focus view is good, where you're looking at a full image, and a zoomed in image right next to it, but it doesn't even come close to an actual rangefinder. It just wouldn't work, and the way I see it, it's not worth the resources when there are so many amazing AF lenses out there for the XF mount. I think the commitment should be getting rid of the LCD on the X-Pro line altogether, like an m10-d. Now that would be a message, and they sort of already did it with the hidden screen.
@@Seeattle absolutely unneeded, from a r&d viewpoint, and also, it doesn't make sense for the customers either. Yeah, full frame is great, and all that, but for most of the time, you can't tell the difference. All my clients are absolutely happy with the images they get out of my X-T3, be it weddings, or portraits, or working for a local newspaper. Not one complaint about the image quality ever.
Real talk. Love the video. As with all many of your videos, you put stuff in context and you do it a very articulate and well-thought out manner. Very respectful to everyoneâs creative/photography journey. Always looking forward to more of your content! More power. đ
I appreciate that, thank you âđŸ
Another amazing and insightful video!
I think it's a testament to Fujifilm's inventiveness and ability to create rich shooting experiences that the X-Pro3, a supposedly "inferior" APS-C camera, is even being compared to a camera like the Leica M11. The fact that its design, aesthetic language and usability can even be considered as a competitor to a kit 5x the cost, shows that even if the X-Pro3 is not exactly (but extremely close to being) equal to the M11 on the Creative Execution scale, it's still an insanely good value.
At the end of the day, the reasons for buying either camera is so subjective and contingent on your specific needs, that value is almost impossible to quantify and that's what makes a Leica worth it for some people.
It's also worth mentioning that given the crazy product cycles that cameras and other gear go through these days, with updates almost every year, a Leica may have longer "staying power" that could translate into using that camera 5x longer than using an X-Pro3 (before the next iteration comes and the inevitable GAS kicks in).
Well said, and also resale value could make the investment tip the scales a bit but again, real-world value is still a tight race. Thanks for watching Larry!
Truly appreciated this, especially breaking down the problems with doing such A vs. B comparisons.
There was one thing that came to mind for me, however: not all of us are able to get our hands on a Leica to give that tool a try, to put it through our average and daily reps, to see for ourselves whether the investment is in fact worth it. I have used a variety of cameras, film & digital, different brands, and truly love the Fujiâs I have & use for what I do. I have never touched a Leica. I have only read about or heard of their status and legendary greatness. And one thing I cannot afford to do is pay a substantial amount up front to test those waters. So while I agree with you that we canât really know if a tool will work for us until we get our hands on them, some of us will never know because of the limitations on our access to those tools.
Although I believe I can do quality work with the tools I have, I have long questioned, as your scale touched on, could I push further if I had this particular camera that folks, whose opinions and perspectives I respect highly, seem to promote? (Not saying Woe is me, by the way. I havenât prioritized saving the funds for such an investment.)
Again, truly appreciated this video. Thanks so much.
You raise a good point. I appreciate the honesty. I wonder what the market is like for Leica rentals because outside of sitting with a friend in the space, that would be the best route to get your feet wet.
A rental is how I got into Leica...I was curious about what the Leica experience was all about. I gotta say I was hooked. It changed the way I feel about cameras and what a user experience should be. That sounds like hyperbole but it's true. But I also understand why people who won't ever try Leica's often bash them, or just don't understand the value for the money. It's not everyone's cup of tea...but it's mine. They aren't worth X-times more than other cameras on paper, but they are the only camera company offering that experience and with extremely high quality products.
Best bet is to rent unfortunately.
A very well balanced, honest comparison. I actually agree with you.
I am an amateur photographer. I do not have an M11 but rather a M-D 262. I grew up shooting an M2 but only DSLR's were available when I lost my access to a darkroom and the cost of film was becoming too much for my needs. Fuji solved that for me with the X-E1. I became a Fuji addict and loved what their cameras and lenses did for my photography. I was fortunate enough to have both the money and the opportunity to purchase my digital Leica two years ago and it has replaced all my Fuji gear but what I require for wildlife and bird photography (X-T4 and 70-300mm).
I think what you say is true, Leica and Fuji are VERY similar across the board. For me it was aligning the rangefinder patch, getting the shot I want, the return of my M2 film experience with digital, the learning experience, the simplicity that led to the Fujis being becoming unused and eventually sold.
I appreciate you sharing this Peter. Thanks for watching.
I agree totally with your final assessment. Which camera works best for the creative process and satisfying final results of the photographer must be weighted far more than other considerations. Use cases are also important when one considers sports, wildlfe and action photography. The one wee picky point I have is taking exception to giving the lens ecosystem nod to Leica. Just about every SLR and DSLR and Leica M lens ever made, can be used with simple adapters on Fujifilm cameras as well Sony full frame cameras for that matter. Yes most must be manually focused, but so must all lenses for the Leica M11. Great video sir!
Well said. Thanks for watching!
Awesome considered review! Love it! On an aside, how did you end up choosing the black over silver M11? Would value your insight on this! Thank You!
Silver is classic but black is timeless. At least in my opinion đ Thanks for watching!
Where did you get your shutter button. I'm looking for one for my Q3
Fantastic video. While I was a bit skeptical when you started going down the categories... similar many other X vs. Y reviews (which you normally don't do), you did not let us down in the end.
Once again, your final segment of the video is spot-on, where you brought the whole story home in the context of what is the value to the photographer in the context of their workflows and their needs - and not just comparing features or whatnot.
Mad respect to you Mr. Gajan Balan, thanks for taking the time to make these videos! :)
I truly appreciate you taking the time to share that Todd, thank you.
Itâs all about the journey and using what inspires and will get one to pick up a camera to shoot. Iâve said this once and Iâll say it again, as a former Nikon shooter, Nikon got me into photography, but when I switched to Fuji, it made me a photographer. Iâve seen street and portrait photographers use Polaroid instant cameras professionally. Itâs a bit niche, but if it works for them and they make a living out of it, then great! More power. For you, if the Leica helps your workflow, inspires you, and gets the type of image you vision, then great! More power to you.
Well said Daniel. Thanks for watching.
Man, I'm not in the market for either and probably won't be for a while (if ever) and I find myself sitting here watching till the end. Gajan, you make great videos man, appreciate you brother!
Haha, I truly appreciate that Mike. Thanks for watching âđŸ
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My X-Pro 3 lives to see another day. I canât stress how much my X-Pro 3 has inspired me to get up and shoot. I hope to get a Leica one day but for now Iâm well content for what I have and what I can create with it. Thanks for the video Gajan! We appreciate you bro đ
well said brother, and that x-pro3 can go toe-to-toe with most cameras on the market and still hold its own. Thanks for watching!
Well said...
But what is that strap on your xPro3?
Looks really nice
Another great review from you!âïž
Your hair is always perfect, that's the real winner IMO. loved this comparison, great video bro. I personally like the fuji myself but that's just me. Keep these videos coming man!
Haha, thanks âđŸ
I gave my Q2 to my training assistant to take some shots of me and some pupils. I set it on touch and focus release! Simples! She just touched my face the LCDscreen. It focused and shot in a second. Great feature.
Excellent review and clarification of your vision.
Great comparison. After years of laying dormant from the analog world, I jumped into the digital game. I scrutinized all options. Each brand has their positives and negatives. Canon? Cannot beat their autofocus. But I don't care for the characterless and clinical image they tend to yield. (Good for sports and nature maybe). Add to that, the molded body with menus and buttons that just don't connect me to the product. Sony and Nikon? Similar to Cannon.
When it came to Fuji, I immediately felt at home with the manual dials. And then that red dot Leica was looking at me too. No question a fine tool. Considering I had just come into a small amount of money... I could have gone with Leica but the price difference was far too great. I found the XT-4 with the classic 16mm 1.4 was giving me some pretty damn good results, especially for street work. (I took it into 2 hurricanes without issue). I will admit though, sometimes I wish it was a Leica but once I get into editing, I can really get close, if not spot on to the Leica look. It usually boils down to nailing contrast and the blacks. In any event, I appreciate both cameras. You can produce good work with either.
Great video Gajan! Applying your scorecard, in addition the creative vision scale, has me contemplating the gear I would use myself plus what would be best for my wife. I bought her a rugged, waterproof camera that goes unused. The camera is easy enough to use but she is technophobic, so she doesn't know how transfer the images to her phone, nor does she have any desire to learn how to do that. But she likes taking pictures and has a good eye for composition. so to maximize her creative vision I need to find system that has extremely simple connectivity or get her the best cell phone camera I can find.
Currently without a camera just sold my R5 because I canât deal with large camera systems with big lenses anymore. So these both seem intriguing
Very thorough and honest comparison! Bravo!
It's that small margin of specialty that makes a difference for the creator. Makes perfect sense!! That's why these companies are able to charge so much for their gear. The true professional needs this small margin. Very well spoken and well thought out comparison.
Thanks for watching đđŸ
A beautiful round-up, and I totally agree about your exponential degree observations of price versus certain qualities. It applies in almost aspects of life and the individual's passion and hobbies - Cars, Boats, Cameras, Fancy Chef Ovens - at some point that last 10%, does it matter to the individual? Maybe. Want it? But rest assured - You'll be $paying$ for it..
Well said! Thanks for watching âđŸ
Very cool video. I like how you laid things out and gave your opinions based on your experiences. I do agree with pretty much all your points, the pros and cons of each brand.
While I can see and understand the value a Leica may provide for others, for me and my work, it is not worth the money, and provides zero benefit over what my X-Pro3 offers.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for watching đđŸ
As a Fujifilm shooter; kudos on remaining unbiased and analytical in your determinations on this professional comparison.
This is not an easy thing to do when removing the emotional response to shooting and focusing on the benefits from a professional standpoint.
A true, and intelligent conclusion.
For me, I'm not on your professional level, but, I am aspiring to save and fulfill my leica destiny. Leica will, eventually, be in my arsenal alongside my beloved Fujifilm's.
Love it đ.
Great video, Gajan. Excellent attention to detail. Thank you.
Thanks for watching âđŸ
I would add one more category: availability/portability. This would not only apply to bulk but also to risk. The M11 and the X-Pro3 seem to be about the same size. But there are places I would take the Fuji rather than the Leica because of the risk factor.
Off topic. I note you are firing your strobes when using the M11 with a Godox X Pro Fuji model. Does it work OK?
I'm firing my strobe with an EOS R5 using the Godox X Pro fuji. It works except the ttl (which I don't care).
Yep, just using them in manual mode.
Thank you for the balanced comparison. And Haha, always reminds me of the Pareto principle - youâll get 80% done with 20% effort. But the the remaining 20% take 80% of effort. Translates well to camera gear, Iâve found. As a non pro shooter who doesnât baby his gear, I have an additional metric: âhow much am I f***ed if the camera gets destroyed/stolen etcâ and âdoes this keep me from taking it out?â. Probably depends on your financial situation (and insurance), but I feel much more comfortable throwing a Fuji into my backpack than I would with a 10k camera đ
Haha, great point. I mean, itâll definitely hurt should anything happen to my pricier equipment but at some point you gotta just suck it up and push the gear. Like taking a 911 to a few track days đ
Love this review! You hit on the key topic...what tool gets you to where you want to go! Price with Leica's is a factor, but that aside Leica makes wonderful cameras. I've been looking to go back to an M body from my Q. This video makes me want an M even more. I rented an M10P recently and it's just better for me in so many ways. I used to own a Pro-3 and a 100V as well....this may sound weird but most cameras have too many features for me. I love the minimalist shooting experience Leica provides.
Well said. Thanks for sharing!
A very helpful video, đ. I would be fascinated to hear what features are in your 10 point gap
More or less I agree. :) How is M11 black paint finish going? Is that durable as they say? Or is there any sign of wear after some time?
It's quite durable, it had a "bad" scratch when I had one of my tools scrape it while removing the Leica logo, but the it only left a very faint line that's almost imperceptible. Seriously impressed by this coating but lets see what it looks like in a year. Thanks for watching!
â@@GajanBalan Awesome, thank you for the reply. Btw, the black badge looks pretty damn good. Congrats. :)
Can you please make a video and talk about the issue of the new samyang 12mm af f2 lens. Concerning the problem with the ibis when used in combination with the x-s10. Because for some reason, the ibis stops working. Fujifilm and samyang are not doing anything to fix this, but maybe if we get enough people talking about it, they will address the problem. Thank you.
Which camera do you pick up, take with you and use? I have the GFX 100s, xPro3, Xt-3 and x100v. In studio I use the GFX hands down but outside the studio I take my x100v. Simple, portable, beautiful, outstanding output....
GFX is for work, largely in the studio. M11 has been my companion where the X100V is at home, or a second camera with the WCL for longer days.
@@GajanBalan which lenses do you use on your M11?
@@bankersbanker7301 primarily itâs the 35mm F2.4 Summarit. I have a 90 F2.4 for unique situations, looking to add a 50 Summilux at some point.
Ultimately an interesting take. For me it's as easy as whether the better image quality from the Leica is worth the purchase price. Then it's just a matter of mortgaging your house!
There is another perspective thatâs worthwhile considering. The process of mastering a new tool can lead to unexpected creative growth. So, it is not only how much closer one or the other will lead you toward your creative goal but also how radical a departure is the tool from your current experience. Of course, this pushing you outside your comfort zone is the luxury of the non professional.
Gajan completely agree with your concluding remarks. Ultimately any camera is a tool and itâs value (as opposed to its price) will be determined by its user and their creative needs. If I could afford it I would love to own an M11 (and moreover the Monochrom) but I also know that the skill level I have together with the limited amount of time I could devote to practice means that my results from a Fuji and the Leica would be largely on par. The only thing Iâve learnt from my last 10 years of photography is stop chasing for the next new tool and master the tool that you have. Thank you again for a great video
a nice fair video comparing the two cameras and points where fuji can be better in certain situations but they still have room for improvements like their phone app.
just wondering from using the leica where you able to test the different mega-pixel modes and whether it delivers better dynamic range they claim it delivers?
Thanks and no, I haven't yet seen a noticeable jump in dynamic range or noise performance yet but I'm going to use it in more street situations to see if there's something tangible here. Thanks for watching!
For the lens ecosystem I would say there's a huge advantage to Fuji on which you can adapt plethora of lenses including Leica's one, even Fuji have their M adapter.
For the reliability and customer service, I'd say Leica. In their warranty/repair system, they clearly say (I read it on the website) that their mechanical cameras for exemple, have a 30 years spare parts availability. That's just huge. When you know you can give them your 30 year old camera and have it checked and tweaked for 300âŹ/$ that's a huge plus.
Also for the community, Leica is sometimes a bit elitist. But I find both communities to be interesting as you can always find someone to help you and you can find inspiring people.
Yes, Leica has a very good service. But only if you can wait a long time for repairs and it is quite costly compared to other companies.
Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this, thought your approach was highly intelligent and very interesting at the end and have some questions:
1. What was it specifically about the Leica for you and the way you practice the art of photography that took it to 95 as opposed to 85?
2. Can you do one of these videos on Leica glass. Summilux vs Summicron or whatever you shoot and what you prefer or what you see is being best for when?
3. For you, as a very experienced user, which of the 2 was the easiest to shoot with from a workflow and functionality perspective. Please ignore the app and anything post taking the photo in answering this Q?
4. When would you prefer to use the bigger GFX100s which you mentioned you liked? Which is the better for formal portraiture? And which is the better landscape camera? Can you give some thoughts on this as you use both?
I'd been a Fuji user ( and still am) but bought the Leica T after watching a Mattias Burling video at a bargain price (for less than X100F money) and used it. I began to understand the Leica ethos - clean, elegant and reliable. Sooner or later I'll pick up a q2--- I'll still continue to use and love my x t-3, and x-e3 but sometimes I want what one gives, sometimes the other. Btw Kudos on your bookcase- Ed Catmull-- Creativity Inc, Gordon Parks-the new tide and Magnum Contact Sheets-- all essential. You should do a video on your books sometime.
Thanks for watching and yes, I hope to diverge from the review content soon. To be frank, the goal is to leverage these gear videos to get to 50K, while doing in with our style and detail, then begin doing more experimental videos that are personal to me. I appreciate you noticing.
About the lens systems. I can use all Leica M mount or LTM glass (with M adapter) and Fujifilm glass on my Fujifilm cameras much easier than going the other way.. Focus peaking works much better on the Fuji cameras since they have an EVF. Just my 2 cents.. I shoot both Leica and Fujifilm and enjoy both.
Great video Gajan
That's a fair point. Thanks for watching!
@@GajanBalan I'm sure sensor size may play a role in how the images look with these lenses...
I'm agreeing with Gajan mostly, but not sure having 1000 50mm options is better than covering an equivalent of 12mm to 600mm...
Nice review! Loved the âdeceptionâ there hahaha.
I have owned and shot the M6 and I own a xpro3 and for me it would be difficult to shoot a digital leica, although Iâd certainly love to try.
One thing that worries me is exposing properly. With film its super easy for me to get the right exposure with a leica because you just expose for the shadows and take your shot with negative film, or do âaverageâ exposure with slide film. With a fuji, exposing properly without using wysiwyg is hard, but the histogram helps a ton. With Leica? I have no idea, I would just have to trust the camera and yolo it, or shoot and chimp to checkâŠ.
The leica/cosina/chinese glass is nice because the lenses are good compact and have DOF scales printed on them, but quality-wise they are comparable to fuji glass or maybe even worse. Still, shooting with a rangefinder is a nice experience so Iâd still get one if I had the chance, if anything just to try!
Maybe at some point think about getting a film leica, I can 100% recommend them đ
oooooooh Gaj hitting the topics !!
Haha, thanks for watching as always brother!
I think what you are saying makes a lot of sense. For me, with a focus on architecture the GFX 100S, and the ability to use 645 and 66 lenses with tilt shift adapters as well as Canon and Laowa shift lenses makes the GFX a premiere tool. Probably with more points than the Phase One.
Another analogy might be using high end British or Japanese wood saws. Once you have used a truly high end tool, itâs hard to use anything else.
That being said I probably will be getting one of even two X Pro 3 in the near future.
Great video, well explained.
Coming back and watching this again after a handful of months. Months that were spent with my Q2 Monochrom, my x100v, and my X-T3. Months also spent with two of those cameras sitting almost the entire time while the one came with me everywhere on every shoot. Yes, the Q2 cost the same as both of the Fuji's with the lenses for the X-T3 together... and it was the one tool for me that got me closest to what I wanted to shoot and how I wanted to shoot. So much so that this past week I sold my X-T3 and my x100v might be sold this week.
The M11 and lenses are simply out of my reach financially, but the Q2 in a colour? That may just be my second shooter. Because at the end of the day, these are the tools that bring my joy of shooting to the highest levels I've had so far.
Bruh, you rock that Tony Northrup hair...lol Seriously though, nice video. I use Fuji for digital, and also use Leica lenses on sometimes. I shoot an old Leica M2 for film.
Youâve insulted me and my barber, how dare you đ
Thanks for watching âđŸ
An interesting review but would love that you do a sample comparison but with an GFX 50 II
Really great video. My main concern about the Leica M series is the undertone assumption that the camera WILL need to be sent back for regular maintenance. At the price, regular servicing should be designed out, so is the legendary Leica reliability only propped up by the willingness of users to accept this further hit to the wallet? This is something generally not heard about the Fuji unless there is a fault.
I think what adds to this is that you could have an incredibly old Leica (except for an M8 and that unique sensor) and still have it serviced whereas that isn't commonplace with Fujifilm.
@@GajanBalan fair comment, but if either of these two cameras was to be the only camera, with which you had to complete all your photography, no second bodies, no other systems? How might you revisit the point of value for money?
Great lineup. I agree on service and support. Leica sadly lacks a pro-support program (Fuji has FPS), and some repairs require you to send the camera to Germany and some will take months to repair. That definitely needs to be improved. Otherwise Leica is a great camera.
Youâre right! I actually completely forgot to mention FPS as well, big differentiator for pros.
Ciao Gajan, video molto interessante, grazie. Saluti dall' Italia. Hi Gajan, very interesting video, thank you. Greetings from Italy.
Grazie Adriano đđŸ
I might take exception to the available lens since you can adapt m-mount to the fuji along with many other lens. But agree if your talking native lenes. Good comparison and I think it was a fair assessment.
I meant native lenses but I shouldâve explicitly mentioned it in the video. Thanks for watching âđŸ
Canât wait for the Nikon Zfc series to gradually come into this comparison over the years once it gets new lenses and updated specs.
Which Godox flash trigger is compatible with the Leica?
None unfortunately. This is the Fujifilm transmitter in manual mode.
@@GajanBalan does it allow high sync shooting I use my Olympus trigger on my X100V
Still watching but I gotta point out that you can adapt m mount lenses to fuji right? That would make fuji the winner of that point.
X-Trans is amazing. The Fuji system delivers clarity. However, the biggest limiting factor is the APS-C sensor size. Larger sensors have a more open feel. Try comparing GFX to the Leica M.
Interesting comparison, definitely both are inspiring cameras to go out shooting with and that's where the similarities stop in my opinion.
Would love to see the Leica lens mounted on the Fuji body with a side-by-side comparison and photographs, as you know the lenses give your photography character and I know like of lenses have a very unique character and how they render images. Personally I shoot Fujifilm and a lot of my lenses are vintage Nikon lenses, coming from Nikon for frame I have really enjoyed the switch.
If you could only have one, would you choose your GFX100s or M11? That's my current dilemma
Fuck thatâs tough, haha. I can only speak for myself but I went after the GFX to further my professional career and it led me being able to get an M11. So, it really comes down to whether you follow your head or your heart đ
I'm curious, since you own Fujifilm's GFX line of cameras. It will be quite interesting when you compare it with the leica m11
If I had to run the metrics, the GFX would win out but it'll just come back to the end point of the video which is, none of it matters lol.
@@GajanBalan I'm just curious =))), GFX is 5X better than leica M11 =)), I don't care who wins. I just watched your video and I already know that leica wins for sure when compared to xpro3, but the meaning of the video is how far is the difference between the winners and the losers, it makes me curious. You did a great episode.
Agree on every point. I think to even start to make this kind of comparison people need to actually USE the cameras how they are intended. Only after that do you formulate a true opinion. Everything else is meaningless conjecture until you get out there and do the damn thing.
I agree. It's often easy to spot the people that haven't had the hands-on experience. Thanks for watching brother!
Oh... Alex! :) I am so sorry , Alex, but only M11 owners are allowed to comment here. #StayFrosty
I own a Leica Q and several Fuji cameras and customer support for Leica if you go to their store in London, they are amazing.
Art is the gift of making emotions tangible and a form of craft that uses tools to emphasise its subjectivity rather than its efficiency
Amazing close headshots in move... exif??
I left Fuji after experiencing intermittent shutter release issues with the X-T2 not firing. The battery grip also sometimes would not engage and disconnect electronically from the body eventhough the screw lock was in tight. I loved Fuji starting with the X-E1 and X100S, but felt quality was lacking in their pro bodies due to my experience.
Thatâs fair. I feel like the QC has been getting better but sometimes itâs just the luck of the draw. Thanks for watching âđŸ
Shouldn't the X-Pro3 win in ecosystem since m-mount(among other mounts) adapters exist making the entire m mount ecosystem available to it in addition to the autofocus lenses that the Leica would never have the option to use?
Thatâs not how I weighted the category. Iâm looking at native lens options.
superb thank you
Excellent, informative, and candid presentation. You made the daunting task of comparing the subject cameras easy! Cheers.
I appreciate that Steve, thank you.
The first camera I had was the Fuji xt3 then I got the Leica sl2 and the Leica m10r
I want to see a rematch when the x-pro 4 comes out đŹ
Good vid. I wonder if this is it worth it discussion happens in other spaces? Like are there people commenting on vids about Lambos saying a BMW 3 series is just as good and nothing justifies the price? I mean if you want something, have the money, and it's worth it to you then I say go for it. I find most of this whole convo silly honestly.
Thatâs kinda the point when you watch til the end of the video đ€·đœââïž
Sounds like Pareto principle or 80-20 rule. Essential 80 percent of results come from 20 percent of effort. To move beyond an 80 percent consequence or result requires increasing (and ultimately) logarithmic effort. I try and apply this thinking in lots of my decision making. Sometimes and in some use cases that increased effort or cost is worth it
What a great video Gajan - I particularly resonated with the logarithmic scale you mentioned, which is pertinent to so many things in life. I guess you just have to decide where your sweet spot is on that scale and be happy with choosing a camera that satisfies it.
I have never even picked up a Leica, but I just KNOW it will be like no camera Iâve ever used in the past - thatâs the superpower those cameras have. Until, and if, I can afford one I will continue to use my Xpro2, until I can afford an Xpro3!
I appreciate that Mark and I wouldnât be so quick to replace that XP2, itâs still such a great camera!
Thanks for the comparison video.
I shoot a Leica M10 digital rangefinder with the following lenses:
Leica 21mm f/1.4 Summilux-M
Zeiss 35mm f/1.4 Distagon ZM
Leica 90mm f/2 Summicron
I also shoot a Fuji X-Pro2 digital mirrorless with the following Fujinon lenses:
56mm f/1.2
23mm f/1.4
16mm f/1.4
16-55mm f/2.8
50-140mm f/2.8
If I could select two features from my M10 and add them to my X-Pro2, it would be the rangefinder manual focusing and the ability to produce high quality 24x36mm images with the M-mount lenses I already own.
If I could select two features from my X-Pro2 and add them to my M10, it would be the reasonable price and twin memory card slots.
I use to scoff at Leica and went with the mindset of bigger is better. Not only that, I thought I could achieve the same results with a similar or dslr set up. Silly me because now that I own a Leica m6 it makes me understand the philosophy behind it. Why people shoot with the system.
Thought there was a grip for the M11.
I agree on all point except lens eco system since fuji can use m mount lenses with adaptors and have a bigger acsess to adapted lenses. The fuji also use m lenses really good since those adaptors are small and almost makes the lens looks native..
I hear you, I was solely looking at native options.
On "Community" I tend to agree with you. With Leica being a total manual camera, the push is more about the end product, i.e., the image and its subject{s}. But, as with most of your elements, it is very subjective.
But I did enjoy your subjective analysis and you make some very good points for me.
Thanks for watching đđŸ
Even though the Leica is a perfectly good workhorse it is, at the end of the day, an optional luxury item for enthusiasts that want one and can justify and afford the cost.
I totally hear you on the 85% and 95% and understand the non-linear value of the last 10%
My question though is: wasnât the X-pro 3 the necessary step stone that go you to this 85% plateau and the M11 went the extra valuable mile ?
In other words, had you started with the M-11 would you have got to this level now? I gather you could have plateau-ed just a tiny bit beyond 85% ?
Thatâs an interesting question. I would have to think about it more, but I think I would have accelerated to that 85 marker faster and moved beyond it, had I started with Leica. Because it would be required.
Zone focusing and relying on my intuition for nearly 3 years on an M system would make for some serious muscle memory that was non-existent using Fujifilm. Thatâs not a knock though, just a difference.
@@GajanBalan very fair point in such case. Iâm coming from a different path having used film Leica Ms for the past 2 years and just stepping into digital to experiment. The x-pro3 setup with OVF and an M lens adaptor is as close as it gets to the M system in such configuration (with manual focus, zone focus and guess-timating exposure without relying on EVF) albeit at a lower cost. Time will tell thoughâŠ
Did Fuji ever address your concerns with your xpro3?
What's funny is that I cut that piece out of this video. I had a 5 minute segment updating the situation but cut it out to streamline this video. I'm going to update the comment of that video with what happened but in short, they went above and beyond and took care of the issue as far as I can tell.
Thanks for that reply. I was going to get an XPro3 but was scared off by your experience and then finding many more folks with similar problems. Eager to hear the resolution of this disappointing scenario.
Good video and comparison. These are very subjective to the photographer. Thanks
I shoot Fuji and Leica. Love both for different reasons. Donât plan on selling any of my bodies as well. Surprised the Xpro3 price has not really dropped. Awaiting the XH2 for pre-order. Great times in the tog world.
thanks for great explanation, of course Leica has a very special touch and feeling but it doesnt mean you should be rich to get one, its about your priorities. even an average income like me experienced it and felt I do really want one of these beautiful ones and just got it because simply photography matters to me and its just your personal decision. I still have my Nikon cameras and glasses but to enjoy more I take portraits and landscapes by Leica sometimes just for feeling it.
Sure its not the best but I like it most, so just its your taste.
Thank you for this, really.
For now, a simple technical question: on the the subject of connectivity, is this applicable to iPhone users only? .. or would I have to dump my Samsung to benefit from it. (I did make the move from Microsoft to Mac some years ago, and will never return.) However ..
I will respond to the discussion as a whole, again soon. We are very different, workflow/age etc., but embrace the same core values. đ
⥠found you only today as I search for intelligent discussions on Leica cameras and lenses. I own and use a bunch of film Leicas, old and new.
Cheers, Kevin.
Thanks for watching Kevin, and yes there is an Android app as well.
I am so old film school that I couldn't deal with the buttons or unlimited options on the X100V. Maybe I am dumb but I couldn't predict in my thought process what the camera will give me as a result. I sold it in less than 2 months and bit the bullet for the M11. I prefer the total control over my gear. It is actually a simple camera. It also teaches you to not machine gun every shot and I haven't even set any buttons to my own user preference.
After a few years with nearly every ILC Fuji, APS-C and GFX, I bought the M11 (monochrome). The difference in image depth and tonality is staggering.
I love the detail the GFX gives, but the files still look 2-dimensional, for lack of a better word.
I never liked any of the Fuji APS-C images, they looked like iPhone images on steroids. Something cheap and plastic about them.
The M11, paired with a Leica or Voigtlander lens, offers such rich and textured images, it's all about the nuance and small details. I felt like I had stepped back into an 8x10 shot, but without the dust and wet processing/scanning/spotting work. That's as close as i can describe it, a large format feeling in a small camera. Depth, detail, smoothness, sharpness, separation of tones and subject. It's all there.
What's that worth? $200? $1000? $5000? That's up to you.
great video, I will now show this to my wife who might contact you for further convincing!
Results may vary đđđ
Love this video,.. Even though i disagree đ... But we find inspiration in different ways!.. and it's okey!... Because that's what we do!.. Inspire our selves to create!...
For fast moving street photography I'd suggest the Fuji X-T4 (or 100V) as that processor is better than the Pro 3 and closer to the Leica. And it's got a tiltable screen which is one big negative for all Leicas - and the reason I sold my SL. It's a great camera but for street photography the Fuji system is just better imo
Those Fuji cameras share the same processor and sensor. And again, better for some people. Depends on how and what you capture.
@@GajanBalan My bad...
Back in the days of film I was heavy into R's and M's. Not so much for the body's (quite frankly I had more mechanical problems with the R's than I ever had with Canon and Nikon). But, the glass... Man, that glass was something else. Jump forward to digital... I can't do it. With PS and other post processing it's totally subjective. Maybe if I had WAY deeper pockets than I do I could justify it, but, with retirement looming it simply isn't worth the small gains (again subjective) "to me".
Fair and well said. Thanks for watching âđŸ
I go back and forth between using my Leica TL2 and the Xpro 3. As far as these 2 models go, it's really apples and oranges. But as a whole, I can see the differences between the two. The Fuji has a TON of features built in and it's incredibly impressive the depth that they allow you to alter pretty much anything and everything in the photo processing. The OVF is a really nice touch and the handling is great, as well. The lenses are a great bargain for the prices...weather sealed, fast AF, compact in size, and nice optics. Where it starts to lose me is in the details. You can see certain places where they cut some corners (door flaps feel kind of cheap and aren't that solid, buttons are clicky, etc). The Leica is solid as a tank. It's not heavy, it's just dense from being a solid block of machined and hand polished aluminum. It's about as simple as it gets...a couple of thumb wheels, a shutter button with a power on/off switch, and the rest is large touch screen. The optics give a certain look to them that my fuji camera and lenses just don't have. There's a certain realness and pop to the subject in the photos, whereas the Fuji is sharp, but the subjects tend to feel flat and blend in with everything else (I don't blame all Fuji lenses, just the ones I've used can't compare to the Leica lenses). The trade off on the Leica is obviously the $$$. I was fortunate enough to get the TL2 when Leica discontinued the system and could get the TL2 brand new for less than a new Fuji camera body. The lenses also are 2x-3x the price of the Fuji's, so they SHOULD be better with all things considered and they also don't have weather sealing on the lenses I have. Also, you get lumped into being a doctor, lawyer, or Hollywood celebrity with too much money to burn.....
I've always been in the camp of you get what you pay for, to a certain extent. There's a certain look and feel to the Leica photos, but it's really up to the user to decide if the price on that equipment is really that important to you when compared to others, like Fuji. Pretty much every camera in 2023 is capable of taking some truly incredible photos. Even more importantly, it's the hands and the eyes behind the camera, not the camera itself. I've seen jaw dropping photos from people using a Kodak disposable, and I've seen...questionable...photos from people using the highest priced Hasselblads. The person behind the camera is infinitely more important than the camera itself and you just have to know well the tools you're working with.
I wanted to add in that I use both of my cameras for different purposes. I ride a motorcycle very often and the TL2 is absolutely awesome because of the big live view screen on it, I can take photos of the bike or the location all while not having to take my helmet off to do it. It would be impossible with the Xpro3. The Xpro3 has the OVF and has infinitely better AF than the TL2. It's really that much of a difference in AF speeds that it's not even a comparison. When I don't feel like shooting manual mode and want to MAKE SURE I get the object that's moving, it's the Xpro3 all day. I won't even risk it with the TL2.
Please do the same for GFX100s and Leica. Make more sense
As an owner of a FujiX100F, Fuji XPro2, Leica M Monochrom Typ 246, Leica Q2, and Leica Q2 Monochrom, I think your comparison analysis was spot on. You're not crazy. Value is difficult to rate when there is so much subjective, emotional, and just gut feel involved in this craft. I appreciate that you made the video and provided caveats. My Leicas were worth the extra coin and no one can tell me differently. I love my Fuji cameras and continue to use them.
my god you are rich
@@gibson1005 goals lol
if fuji would make an Xpro4 Full Frame with the new processor and a 40-60MP sensor, I think they would be closing the gap and in some instances beating the Leica M11 in many ways. And this comes from a Leica Mainly shooter than owns an Xpro3 and X100V. The only issue would be the lack of lenses if they decide to go full frame but since they have opened their mount to third party manufacturers that shouldn't be a problem for long. as long as they have a 23, 50mm and an 24-70 equivalent that's enough for me to get one!
I have to differ on how you gave a point to the Leica on lenses.
On B&H there are 150 lenses listed for M mount.
The same site shows 259 for X-mount. Sure there are decades of vintage lenses you can get. Bu the Xpro can easily mount a lot of vintage glass with an adapter. I use M42 speedboosters for my collection of Takumars and Helios with a Meyer-Optik Görlitz as well.
Even with new lenses from Light Lens Labs and TTartisan that falls short of what you can get for an Xpro. And those X mount lenses are ALL multicoated, with no mold, separation or oily iris blades.
I do have to agree on the Fuji app.
A while back I was covering a protest event at Washington Square Park, and I was trying to upload to a website in a timely fashion.
No dice. I spent 30 minutes then finally had to catch the train home to use my computer.
Ended up missing out on a fun group dinner because of that!
Very interesting, well thought out, and a very nice video. Thank you.
I would like to see a video about your journey in how you have adjusted / developed skills in the way you take photos with the M11, for me I am clueless with Leica. Get real technical & geeky of needs be đ
I appreciate the feedback, Iâm hoping to inject a good amount of that story in the videos to come this summer. Thanks for watching đđŸ
Should both experience with M lenses