Top 40 Plotholes in Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker!
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These are all the Plotholes/Stupid Moments we discovered in the disastrous conclusion to the Epic Skywalker Saga!
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Getting a lot of crying from Rise of Skywalker Fans over my Star Wars Plotholes list. Perhaps I should change to "Top 13 Plotholes and 27 Stupidest Moments (that aren't necessarily massive plotholes but still go against canon & hurt the film)". Do you think that would help?
Perhaps I should title it Top 40 Stupidest Moments?
AngryJoeShow no you shouldn’t
AngryJoeShow let the diehard fans of the new trilogy rant and rave and say this movie is perfect and good and has no problems
Do it.
I read this with a tone of heavy sarcasm, and I hope I was right in doing so.
I vote for a f***'em
Rumour has it that an after credit scene exists where it shows Kylo Rens lightsaber being pulled to someone’s hand and the next thing we hear is
*”Fine, meesa do it myself”*
Movie would have been 10 times better if it ended like that.
Honestly, I think everyone would have cheered for JarJar at that point. How the mighty have fallen.
Or lifting it out of the water where it was thrown *"dersa always a bigga feesh..."*
In one day Jar Jar ruined the republic and got the jedi genocided, he's more effective as a villain than anyone in this trilogy with the amount of emotional damage he caused
Episode 10 the jar jar saga
All of these visual dictionaries remind me of something Joe said during his Destiny review:
"If I have to go outside the game to understand the story, you have FAILED as a writer."
Yes. Exactly what I was thinking. I was telling my buddies after we saw the movie that we would probably have to buy the books as DLC to understand the story 😂.
Interestingly, you go outside of these films and understand less about the story and the universe itself.
you can still understand the story, this is just explanation for plot holes, Destiny barely had a story
For a video game, yes. There is more wiggle room for a movie.
Exactly how I felt.
Vader: Kills millions of people. Luke: I know there is good in him, we must save him. ... Kylo: Has bad dream. Luke: I must murder him in his sleep
THIS. Good point
Not just kills, but fully commits his entire life to hunting down and assassinating countless people.
Luke can’t stand little brats. Got that from his dad 😝
Luke walks into a teenage boys/nephews bedroom late at night grabbing his "lightsaber" tight and is shamed into exile when the child wakes up...
Seems legit reason to me
Fucking golden point right there.
Finn was a stormtrooper and he didn't know they could fly? Really?!
"ThEy FLy Now?"
They fly now !
Nobody can stop Jar Jar Abrams cringy attempt at humor
Lol exactly not to mention jetpacks have been around since before the Old Republic era it's not some fancy new technology.
Super secret jetpack stormtroopers
Episode 8: Your parents were nobodies.
Episode 9: Your parents were nobodies BUT your grandfather was an evil space wizard.
blood lines dont determine ability! anyone can be a jedi or sith! the skywalkers arent the only interesting family! forget the past! wait wait remember the past! you're a palpatine!
@@danielroden9424 Also, are we going to just accept that the dark side of the force is hereditary apparently? It was my understanding that the dark and light side were both paths that were learned and were more akin to religions than bloodline bullshit.
NOT a plothole. Whatsoever. No more so than Obi Wan telling Luke that a sith killed his father.
How/why does Kylo even know who Rey's parents were?
@@Crazieyboy15 quite. the dark and light; both are the force. dark and light are simply terms and aspects used by those who cannot understand it in its entirety.
force sensitivity itself can be hereditary, and predispositions can exist if one is born under the influence of one aspect, such as the Sith race being largely pre-disposed towards the dark due to generations of Sith sorcery meddling in their bloodlines, but they are not absolute. outside of that most extreme example, predispositions are akin to mutations due to exposure or racial traits, not inherited from specific individuals..
Qui Gon: "Force heal me Obi Wan"
Obi Wan: "Sorry master we trained Jedi haven't learned that yet"
Who determined that Kenobi was powerful enough to do it or even new how to do it
Rafael Rodriguez you’re seriously gonna think that Rey Palpatine is more advanced in the force than Obi Wan who was trained by Qui gon and presumably as a youngling by the likes of Yoda? That brings up another plot hole. Why isn’t healing the first thing taught? It would minimize deaths and injuries.
Rafael Rodriguez ya boi Ben kenobi was one of the most powerful Jedi Masters and single handily beat grievous, darth maul, and anakin skywalker... so if your boi Ben couldn’t do it...
@@tylermassey3638 he was one of the best lightsaber duellists but not one of the most powerful force users
@@grannydeg9728 well he did turn into a ghost, so it means he has probably mastered the force, idk
41: Kylo Ren kills his dad who was trying to save him from himself, kills his mom because she contacts him via “force ghost” which sacrifices herself to do so, tries to blow up his own master AND UNCLE because he was in his way and he ends up using all his power doing nothing and yet Kylo finally becomes good and sacrifices himself for good not because his dad, mom or uncle convinced him to but because of some random girl he met this one time and every time they cross paths they try to KILL EACH OTHER?!?!?!?!
Technically Han came back from the dead and convinced Ben to be a good boy.
Joshua Willis ur he was a memory even though he had a full on conversation it should’ve been anakin
@@sammcdermott78 yeah, good point! It should've been Annakin. Ren idolized Annakin and is the most familiar with his situation of turning from light to dark and back to light. Ren barely even talked to Han
Easily explainable. Rey was so good that her goodness rubbed off on Kylo to be a goodie goodie two lightsabers.
Answer: simp
Major plot hole i just discovered:
If Palpatine broadcasted a message saying that in 16 hours he would wipe out the galaxy or whatever, why did General Hux need to betray the first order in order to get them that information? When it was broadcasting to the entire galaxy? Everyone already knew. The opening crawl said that the whole galaxy knew, but they said it was information they had to decode. They literally retconned their own movie in their movie.
Lando: help
Everyone: frick no they have like hundreds of portable death stars
Lando: [Speech 100] pls
Everyone: k
You drive a hard bargain..ok
You son of a bitch! I'm in.
Lando has broken charisma.
I mean, I'd go for Lando to the edge of the Galaxy and back... And die as they all should have on this red thingie, wich was too tight even for a fucking "blockade runner" Corvette, and they had like MonCal cruisers and shit...
Landon has the smooth talker perk.and his mustache gives him a plus 5 to charisma
“There are at least 40 plot holes.”
“I know, spooky right?”- JJ Abrams
😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao
Jar Jar Abrams
😂
😂
Star Wars Theme: Be Proud of who you are.... unless your 1 person in your entire family is like REALLY bad, then just be proud of another family and pretend you are part of it.
Han solo literally said: "Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova." When talking about hyperspace.
Or worse.
Stranger - who are you?
*Jar Jar smiles at Rey*
Rey,
Rey Binks
this would have bumped the movie up 2 points out of 10 for me
@@MrVince329 same with me
Lmfao 😂
LMAO!! Honestly fuck it...they should've thrown in Jar Jar
@@MrVince329 So 2/10.
“Who are you?”
“Im Rey”
“Rey who?”
“Rey Mysterio”
BOOYAKAH BOOYAKAH
@@jeeristueo3539 619
Lol, that would make for a good movie
Remember that time Rey quadruple huricanrana'd Palpatine into an exploding star?
N. Word Scissorhands lmao
I'll just ignore this trilogy from being cannon.
This is the way
@@MMA_INF I used to be indifferent to this trilogy, never liked it but didn’t care enough to hate it. After watching season 2 of the mandalorian and seen what type of stuff we could’ve gotten instead tho let’s just say I’ve grown quite distateful of it. This it the way.
This is the way
This is the way
This is the way
My favorite part is that Rey says the knife has a long dark history WHILE SHE IS HOLDING THE LIGHTSABER THAT SLAUGHTERED UNTOLD AMOUNTS OF CHILDREN.
And droids. And tuskens. And Lord Tryanus. And separatist leaders.
Kylo ren: * uses force-heal to bring rey back from the DEAD *
All of the people who died near jedis: ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU???
okay maybe only those two were able to do it and kylo died afterwards...not the biggest of plotholes imo. But there are enough left.
Anakin turned the the Darkside to learn abilities to keep people from dying. But across the street there's Jedi healers.
Every time a new force ability is introduced this happens force heal existed for a long time even baby yoda can do it disney just gave a stupid explanation for it force heal speeds up body's healing process not transfer life force
*iTs tHe dYaDE*
@@m3ntal_c0re baby yoda can do it and it's quite literally just a child
“REYYYY!” 75% of Fins’ lines in the movie
In the entire trilogy
She is my queen!
And we're supposed to believe that he wasn't trying to tell her that he loved her? Smh
@@Radu93Z idunwannit
POE! Was 25%
For me, the mainline Star Wars movies end with Episode 6. Disney and those who worked on the final trilogy completely failed, leaving us fans disgusted and bored. You ruined your characters, destroyed your story, alienated your long-time fans, and left one of the most beloved series in history with an inane, nonsensical conclusion. I hope none of you have a hand in ANY Star Wars media going forwards.
Next their going to ruin Obi Wan Kenobi..
They just need some better writers and Disney needs to take their money grubbing hands off the story and make star wars not for kids again and make it more serious
Rogue one was the only film they didn’t fuck up. They should of had those writers and that director do the trilogy.
@@user-xo7go4rr7g True. I should amend my earlier comments to point out that I was referring to the numbered episodes when I wrote "mainline movies." I really found Rogue One compelling. Solo was OK, and the Mandalorian is great. My opinions.
There is literally 11 star wars shows coming to disneyplus from those same people.
Best argument of those who love the new trilogy:
"Well, if you just sit back and stare at the screen, not paying attention to what's actually happening, it's a pretty good movie. Idk why poeple don't like it"
That's literally what everyone I know that likes these despicable movies say. I just didn't think about it and had fun
You see Disney has to be inclusive of everyone, so they made a trilogy aimed for ppl with metal disability, its perfect for brain dead ppl
@@Alva_Lombax honestly this feels like a movie for stupid people. You literally have to have a very low brain function to enjoy any of these movies
@@Soccercrazyigboman bruh, only fanboys watch star wars for the story the rest watches it to be entertained by the spaceships and shit
@@lennylalamba5366 lol found one of the morons that completely lacks story comprehension skills. You literally just admitted that you have low brainpower.
Anikan’s force ghost watching Rey use force heal: “Woooooowww”
C Anakin*
*Looks at hands, chest, and legs* fuck
@@eat_me_b34n59 hahahaha
"WOooooooW a first Jedi Mary Sue!"
**Qui-Gon Forceghost gives Obi-Wan's Forceghost a pretty accusing look**
“Who are you?”
“I’m Rey”
“Rey who?”
“Rey’d Shadow Legends is one of the most ambitious RPG projects of 2019. Just look at the level of detail of these characters! If you use the code in the description you can start with 50,000 silver and join the Special Launch Tournament!”
Crice Nt comment of the week
This is about to blow up bruh 😂
LMFAOOOO
This is good 😂😂
You win the internet, sir.
A HUGE #41. For all of Palpatine's existence he has always lived by THE RULE OF TWO. A Master and an Apprentice. Continuing, Palpatine has always had someone UNDER him, an Apprentice or servant, but always keeping himself alive and at the top no matter what. From Darth Maul, to Dooku and Grevious, to Darth freaking Vader, they have everytime been there to serve him, specifically, with him being alive. Now here is the problem. Palpatine's goal is to get Rey to strike him down so his life force will live in her. WHAT THE F...? This contradicts Palpatine's entire entire life motivation. His goal wasn't to live on in someone else, his goal was to always be at the top, never die, and always have someone serving him, henceforth the rule of 2.
Doesn’t him living inside her give him control, so technically there is now a single being, Palpatine, who’s got a fresh young body to take on a new apprentice?
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm I disagree, I believe the idea is him actually living. What would Rey do, just resist the temptation of listening to his motives and ideas? That's not good enough for Palpatine, he desires absolute power forever with an apprentice beneath him, that's how he's always operated. I get your point about the fresh new body to essentially take over, but in my opinion there is no star system in the star wars universe where Palpatine would willingly want to be killed.
@@ethanstechworld207 to be honest, i didnt watch the movie, but hearing a lot of the stuff it sounds a lot like they tried to copy of the old republic (which does not work for Palpatine and the rule of two)
Like palpatine want to get strike down so he can take over rey's body sounds a lot like Valkorion wanting to die to take over the Outlanders body.
Palpatine building a secret army sounds exactly like Vitiate/Valkorions ancient Sith Army on Dromund Kaas.
Its ridiculous how they just stole ideas from the Old republic thinking it would have the same effect and would make sense for Palpatine and the movies. They literally dont know what they are doing at Disney.
19:15 “In that case.....I am a Jedi.” -other Joe.
“ oh cool!” -Alex
“Thank you.”
😂😂😂 I love these guys so much.
Kylo: *uses force heal to bring Rey BACK TO LIFE*
Kylo: *is dying*
Rey: oh well
He became basically “one with the force” and vapored before she could heal him too..:.
Does that confirmes Jar Jar Abrams looked into theories about Padme's life force being what kept Anakin alive?
@@viniciusvyller9458 yes but the way they did it makes no sense, Palpatine got it because his master taught it him, it is possible that Kylo was taught this by Palpatine but they seemed to meet the firs time in Episode 9, and Rey wasnt taught it at all...
An explanation that could have fixed this was that they're a force diad, tied to the force and can only heal each other, but she heals a giant snake so no.
I just watched it today and this is by far the best comment I have seen 🤣
Then kylo gets dusted by thanos's snap for no fucking reason.
It took 4 days to travel between Tatooine to Alderaan but the whole galaxy got to Exogol in an hour.
Lol
41 plotholes now
I always thought you couldn't hyperspeed jump into an atmosphere.
maybe huff some paint or wood glue and this movie will make more sense!
@@camdonking1919 They did it in the Force Awakens to get onto Starkiller Base. This trilogy hasn't been consistent with lore since the start.
39. With the ghosts i would have been billions and billions of time more happy that Anakin's ghost fights Palpatine, wins and completes his legacy... Then the title rise of the Skywalker would have made sense.
Extra bit to add on, Anakin's Ghost could protect or possess Rey/Kylo which then allows them to kill Palpatine without his soul transfering into them.
What if i told you tht they actually got Hayden to return as anakin, as a force ghost, to help train rey, and tht he was in 2 acts of tht movie?
Well, thts actually wut happened. They literally brought the actor back to play anakin, and then cut him out because Kathleen said "hed take too much time away from our original characters".
Worse still, hayden was about the age anakin was when he died in RoTJ. He was literally the perfect age to play anakins force ghost, and they scrapped it. Unbelievable
@Cryer24597 haydens acting was fine, but even if your opinion was fact, thts irrelevant. They had him come on for 2 acts of the movie, then scrapped him in favor of their even shittier characters.
The movie is called rise of skywalker, and didnt even include anakin. What in the fck? I have a hard time believing yoda would appear as a force ghost to luke, but not anakin. At all. Let alone for his grandson who fell down the same path he did.
Cutting him from the movie was a dumb decision, whether or not you like haydens acting
@Cryer24597 lmao ok. Just disregard my other points then. You dont like an actor therefore every other point i made is mute. Gotcha.
Anakin was a slave essentially kidnapped by a cultist order and then told to never display emotions, all in the while having a poorly written romance thrown in.
How in tf was he supposed to portray tht any better? The directors told him what to do, and he did it. Your issue should be with the directors decision making, not the execution from the actor.
Clearly he did what the director wanted him too, otherwise the director would have chosen a different cut. Shitting on the actor is like blaming a paint brush for a painting being shit. Is it the brush's fault or the painters?
But im sure youll just respond with a lazy one or two sentence "gotcha" and keep on ignoring my points
@Cryer24597 you didnt exactly make tht clear. Well my apologies, we can agree to disagree on his acting abilities then
Remember, when you force heal someone. Yell from the top of your lungs, "SENZU BEAN"!
Kylo forgot to do that, And He's Dead.
Do you wanna Be Dead? No?
Then Do it.
SENZU BEAN
Don't forget to toss a dog biscuit to anyone you decapitate.
"You have to buy seven books for these movies to still not make sense"
FTFY
That's how Disney gets you
Palpatines body remained 95% intact after getting nuked but was completely obliterated from sticking his fingers into a power outlet.
@@LowKiiSavage well from the film Palpatine looked like he was completely unharmed by the explosion and he was decomposing while keeping himself alive with technology more than the dark side of the force much like Darth Scion from the old republic.
* mentioned this above, but it's a good place to note it again * = It's clear that they used the Dark Empire comics series as a strong basis for Rise of Skywalker. In that series, Emperor Palpatine had basically become so powerful in the Dark Side of the Force, that he had 'found out' the way to do what he'd hinted to Anakin back in Ep-III (cheat death / live forever) // sort of. By using the Dark Side power of "Transfer Life Essence" - Palps was able to expel his 'soul' from his aged and sickly body, and move into specially prepared Clones. He would "awaken" - looking like his younger self again, in that new form - essentially "living on". The catch, as with much Dark Side powers, is that it corrupts the user (and Palps is especially wicked and powerful in the Dark Side, so the effect is even greater) and his Clone bodies would fail and turn withered (like he is in Rise at the start) faster than a "real" Human ever would. So it's not perfect. /// In the Dark Empire series, Palps explains he was just barely able to use the power, seconds before his physical body was destroyed in that reactor shaft on the Death Star, where Vader tossed him -- but the lack of preparation for the surprise attack, and the fact the station blew apart minutes later, meant that his 'soul' was scattered and disjointed - and it took him many years to "float through the void of space" (so to speak) to finally reach the hidden world where his Dark Side / Sith acolytes had prepared the Clone bodies for him. //// The Rise of Skywalker movie only VERY BRIEFLY hints at what I just laid out there, with the lines about "Unnatural Dark Side Powers / Sith Alchemy / Clones" - - but I think J.J. should have had at least a minute long monologue by Palpatine to Kylo, when they first meet, where he actually SAYS all that I just said above. It would have made Rise a LOT more understandable for many fans - especially those who never read Dark Empire, by Dark Horse comics - all those years ago :-)
The palpatine you see is actually a clone that's holding the force essence of the dark lord. That clone is incapable of holding all that raw power and is such decaying. That's why he needed Rey. To transfer his essence to her.
he pulled a Leia
UNLIMITED POWAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaa
Don’t forget that since Leia, Luke, and Ben were all Skywalkers, then they killed them all off, that means that there are no more Skywalkers in Star Wars.
Thank you Disney, you killed off all of what the main movies in the other trilogies were about.
it's kinda good.... means we can move forward and fast forward 10-50 or 100 + years later , without any skywalker BS like this movie showed and ruined everything from the past 8 films made
Daniel Doiron Star Wars isn’t very good without a Skywalker. They’re literally the main characters of the story. Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywalker and his fall to darkness. Only to have his son step in and save him. I have no interest in Star Wars without some relation to the main story. I couldn’t care less about and side lore.
@Haku infinite Han is not a skywalker. Him being dead or alive is irrelevant. If you want more skywalkers then Leia needs to have a child we don't know about or Luke had one. Everyone else is irrelevant.
@Haku infinite you're not skywalker by marriage how does that work? You have to inherit the genes and force thats the point
Maybe Luke and Leia have a distant cousin out there. Like, Shmi Skywalker's grandpappy had multiple kids, who had kids, who had kids. Episode X could be about one of these cousins.
But seriously, I understand a lot of people love Star Wars for the lore, but for me it's all about the characters. That's a big reason why the OT will always be the best for me, because Star Wars for me is those main characters, and the PT and ST are not. So the fact that all the Skywalkers are gone seems like a corporate move to get us to care about Disney's original characters and not the ones on which the entire franchise was built.
The Death Star was vaporised, so how come there were large parts of it sitting on a planet??
Gordon Barrie it is scientifically possible for some parts of the Death Star to be a launched at such a speed that it doesn’t appear in frame. An example of this was when a nuke was blown underground and the metal seal on top got launched so fast it could have left earth almost instantly
@@entitledkidyourtoysaremine930 so you say that the death star above yavin or endor blow up shot a piece so fast way it land on a planet that wasnt even in the system of endor or yavin? thats a rare chance isnt it?
suilles it’s not zero
@@entitledkidyourtoysaremine930 it was very lucky it was just the piece of the death star they need that got shot away to a planet far away that lay in perfect place to use that knife to line up right...
also its the throne room that was on the planet right. so how did that shoot away to a planet to land there? because problem is that the throne room was looking the way of the rebel fleet. remember luke having to look at his fleet getting shot while in the throne room?
so it shot the throne room so fast away that no one saw it go away past all of the fleet ships to land on a planet. thats 0% chance... it cant be that nothing would of got hit in that whole fleet.
The same reason that Alderaan was 'vaporized' and yet the Milennium Falcon still flew through chunks of it. Because it wasn't vaporized, it was blown up
Old lady on tatooine: who are you?
Rey: *looks off into the distance*
Rey: Severus Albus Potter
Star Wars fans to Rey during the final scene: How dare you stand where he stood?
Rey: I'm Rey Skywalker.
Old woman: Any relation to the Jedi that murdered younglings?
Rey feels awkward
Rey: Nah, Luke Skywalker
OW: you mean that boy that hated everyday on this planet.
Rey: I'm Rey Organa
@@TheLIStorm43 OW: Oh you mean that woman that failed to keep the first order from rising.
@@Joe-bob And was exposed as Darth Vaders daughter with her brother Luke?
How did they get horses on a Star Destroyer in Space, and how are those guys breathing air in Space?!?
And fin was a former storm trooper why the hell is he suprised that they fly now
Because "They fly now"
Even though Troopers have Flew since the Clone Wars.....
Been asking myself that for a while now. After all, he knows everything about Starkiller Base & how the First Order works top to bottom, just by working in sanitation. But that First Order troops have jet packs must have been the day he overslept or something.
if finn was a former trooper and apparently many others defected and are just normal people then how come he has no issues or remorse killing the shit out of them like its a game?
who cares, thats such an irrelevant thing to complain about
This sequel Trilogy is like my poorly thrown together D&D homebrew Campaign, except worse.
Laughing my ass off every time Joe goes "Hellooo??!? Hellooo!??" xD
think, mcfly, think!
Plot Hole: Disney Star Wars.
Eventually, references to Disney Star Wars will become the cinematic equivalent to Godwin's law.
That's more of a plot Black Hole.
Imagine if they had some balls and brought us Darth Jar Jar
robot chicken has more balls then disney
@@adad87821 *than
I've always wanted Darth jar jar, but I wouldn't want any of these hacks touching that idea.
Honestly it would have been a better ending than the crap we got
I feel like George would've gone through with it if he didn't get the Jar Jar backlash
plot hole master 43:
Call the movie "Rise of Skywalker", kills ALL THE SKYWALKERS and let the last living PALPATINE took everything from them.
Palpatine wins.
People forget that Identity Theft is a crime
"32C. Luke and Lando couldn't see the Black Sand in the middle of a Brown sand area!"
How would you expect Luke to have any idea what sand and deserts are like? He's from Tattooine!
My favorite moment is when the emperor said “do it”
Pabish Dew it*
The Do didn't feel like the "dew" when I heard it
My favorite was the bass boosted lightning
The placement of that line during Rey's meeting with Emperor baffles me...It was supposed to be a tension-filled ritual with Rey waiting on Ben to come help, but then having Sheev say the Meme line just kills the mood. Like, were they trying to make us laugh with that?
You mean the grim reaper from Bill & Ted
Joe: "why not put your essence into your son"
In the backround: F.B.I. OPEN UP!!
Because he wasn’t force sensitive...
"Hey Palpy, I'm Chris Hansen, why don't you take a seat right over there?"
Daddy Darth Sidious blasts son with "Force" ropes
If rey is dead, and kylo survives, i will accept this "rise of skywalker" more acceptable
Anakin:" I need to figure out how to stop my wife's death im even willing to turn to the dark side"
*Force healing exist and is easy to learn*
Anakin:"Im gonna ignore that"
There are comics that show that mainly jedi concelers (probably spelt that wrong)were able to master force healing which was a hard ability to master and Anikin tried to force heal and failed.
@@austinmodeen7108
Then how the fuck was Rey and Ben able to force heal?
@@lewisconnor8672 Just bad writing and complete ignorance of Jedi lore...
Palpatine in the beggining :
Kill Rey
In the middle:
Kill her or i kill you
In the End:
Thank God ALL my plans didnt work, you both alive, now im gonna rule again.
To be fair, this is Palpatine we're talking about. He's been manipulating Kylo for years. I believe he knew what Kylo would do so it was part of his plan.
Tyler Richardson But what if Kylo did kill Rey then palpating would just be like WELL SHIT
@@tylerrichardson3034 I think the point is Palp DID NOT KNOW they were dyad - if Kylo did kil Rey he would be dead - that's a pretty risky or stupid plan. Palps is supposed to be smarter than that. And everywhere else he is pretty cautious too. Completely out of character.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 You mean like when he told Luke to kill him in RoTJ, knowing full well he would try? He was putting his faith in Vader to protect him, and he was right. It's incredibly in character for him.
@@tylerrichardson3034 Honestly I am no big fan of Luke so I have no interest in arguing the point so I will defer to you. But just imo I read the scene that Luke backs off because he sees Vaders mechanical body and is horrified by what he could become. You may be right but the FILMING implies he was going to kill because as I remember it he was going nuts whacking Vader and destroyed his arm. I read it as him only backing off at last second a couple more swing and Vader would've been gone but Palps has to be stupid and say something and THEN Luke stops
Force healing was the premise behind the entire reason anakin turns to the dark side. The ability to stop death. Rey does this on auto pilot.
@unknowning unknown
Rey wasn't the chosen one, Luke was, right?
@unknowning unknown Anakin is the chosen one.
She doesn't resurrect anyone.😒 It's literally healing. Kylo does the same with her as she's DYING not DEAD.
MrMejia187 she has her eyes completely still and open. She is DEAD. Ben brings her back from the dead 😒
Omfg I didn’t even think of that BUT YOU’RE RIGHT
When you realize that all of that MacGuffin hunting for the wayfinder could be avoided if Kylo Ren had just given Rey the coordinates to Exegol (or even his wayfinder at least) through their Force dyad conversations.
But noooooo. Rey doesn’t want reach out Kylo’s hand and only Ben’s
The most DEFINITIVE indication you will EVER need that this is NOT star wars: They didn't have a funeral in the movie for Princess/General Lea.
Even for a soulless corporate appliance like this that's COLD.
How do I keep finding new dimensions to my disgust with this movie. I have watched a lot of content on this video and this is the first time I stopped to think about that.
I guess I'm still trying to figure out why Chewbacca's "death" passed the cutting room floor. Why did they make us sit through that. It was pointless.
George Lucas had respect and appreciation for his creation. Disney just sees it as a financial opportunity and think people will buy garbage if it has Star Wars stamped on it. The characters and stories meant nothing to them unless they bring in the money.
@@ZE0Shadow So TRUE. disney also has an ant-Semitic streak that you see from time to time so could be influencing their decision too seeing as George Lucas is Jewish himself.
@@pacershark452 Great point. I didn't know George Lucas was Jewish but now that I think about it, we don't see any Disney movies directed by Steven Spielberg either and he would be perfect to direct a Disney film.
@@ZE0Shadow Uh-huh. we should keep a beady eye on disney.
How did Palatine survive?
Disney: yes
Honestly, had they said it was him transfering his soul into a clone body I would take that as an okay answer
It's clear that they used the Dark Empire comics series as a strong basis for Rise of Skywalker. In that series, Emperor Palpatine had basically become so powerful in the Dark Side of the Force, that he had 'found out' the way to do what he'd hinted to Anakin back in Ep-III (cheat death / live forever) // sort of. By using the Dark Side power of "Transfer Life Essence" - Palps was able to expel his 'soul' from his aged and sickly body, and move into specially prepared Clones. He would "awaken" - looking like his younger self again, in that new form - essentially "living on". The catch, as with much Dark Side powers, is that it corrupts the user (and Palps is especially wicked and powerful in the Dark Side, so the effect is even greater) and his Clone bodies would fail and turn withered (like he is in Rise at the start) faster than a "real" Human ever would. So it's not perfect. /// In the Dark Empire series, Palps explains he was just barely able to use the power, seconds before his physical body was destroyed in that reactor shaft on the Death Star, where Vader tossed him -- but the lack of preparation for the surprise attack, and the fact the station blew apart minutes later, meant that his 'soul' was scattered and disjointed - and it took him many years to "float through the void of space" (so to speak) to finally reach the hidden world where his Dark Side / Sith acolytes had prepared the Clone bodies for him. //// The Rise of Skywalker movie only VERY BRIEFLY hints at what I just laid out there, with the lines about "Unnatural Dark Side Powers / Sith Alchemy / Clones" - - but I think J.J. should have had at least a minute long monologue by Palpatine to Kylo, when they first meet, where he actually SAYS all that I just said above. It would have made Rise a LOT more understandable for many fans - especially those who never read Dark Empire, by Dark Horse comics - all those years ago :-)
@@AlekTrev006 ya that's true. But even with all the plot wholes I feel it was still a better movie then Last Jedi
@@AlekTrev006 with how badly Ryan and KK fucked up this trilogy, which DID have a decent start in Force Awakens. I hope they just go back to the old EU and re-canonize most of it, only throwing out the really stupid and inconsistent shit to streamline it a bit. and basically just re-canonize it, but as 1 of 2 official timelines. and for video games they can go back and remaster old one. like remake them with better graphics and mechanics but keeping the same story imagine how awesome KOTOR 1 and 2 would be with current graphics. The only way they can regain the fanbase is by catering to BOTH the old EU fans, and those who like some of the stuff Disney is doing. unfortunately these movies are canon.
the force saved him
Rian: Hey, remember that force sensitive kid with the broom?
J.J: yeah, no...
J.J: Remember Snoke wanting to complete Kylo's training?
Rian: Was that important?
George: Remember that I wrote a cool story, that lead to 6 films, and a multi-billion dollar franchise?
J.J. & Rian: Yeah, we're probably just gonna do our own thing over here...
@@thebackup2121 Well, tbf, rian fucked over the sequels. 7 was good, and 8 was utter trash and ruined 9.
@@unusualkmc 7 was a complete copy of ANH and it fucked over the ST, screw RJ for trying something new amirite? /s
watch them make 6 movies about it
Number 18. I remember Lucas saying that Yoda learned from Qui Gon how to live through the force. He spent his time and Obi Wan's time in exile training Obi Wan to do the same. This took years.
Because Qui Gon had trained for years, and hadn't trained enough to be a force ghost, but just a disembodied voice.
Then when Anakin died, redeemed and having brought balance (yes, he DID bring balance, these movies are not canon to me), the combined efforts of Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Yoda came together to quickly speak to him as he died, and helped to pull him through so he could be around for Luke in the future. Because he had finally deserved it. And Luke deserved to have his dad around at last I guess.
This was from Lucas himself. I think it was on the episode 3 extras if I remember right.
There are 2 books that backs Lucas's words up also. In "Life and Legends of Obi Wan Kenobi", and "Rise and fall of Darth Vader", Obi Wan reaches out to Anakin as he dies. Anakin starts apologizing for everything, but obi wan cuts him off because he has to teach him before his consciousness fades. It's actually a really cool part of both books.
@@mysite1012 Another thing Lucas said a few years back, before the sale to Disney, was about Obi Wan in the time between episode 3 and 4.
They were writing books, wanting to know if they could do something about Obi Wan leaving Tatooine during this time, to go on certain missions or adventures, or if Lucas thought Kenobi had spent his entire time on that planet and never left it.
Lucas said he had pretty much spent all his time on Tatooine, but said he would allow that he left perhaps a single time for some mission, if the stakes were high enough and the problem was dire enough that he felt he had no choice. But he said he would only have left a single time, and not for long.
I think maybe this throws that awful new Kenobi show under the bus right away.
@@w0bbl3r It definitely does. The obi show is awful.
Nice pfp
In the Legends continuity, Force Heal doesn't actually bring people back from the dead. What it does is it ACCELERATES the body's healing processes, essentially, allowing the Force-user to "heal faster" than your average person.
Also, it seems that Jar Jar Abrams has stolen another Force ability from Legends. This one is called Essence Transfer. In Legends, it was explained that in-order for a Dark Side-user to use this ability, their soul has to become a Dark Side entity. To do that, they must execute a ritual of Sith Magic which can consume the life-force of an entire planet. (it happened when an ancient Sith Lord called Darth Vitiate did it, he ascended into becoming a Dark Side entity)
Once that is done, the Dark Sider-user can now use this ability to transfer their soul into any targeted body or perhaps linger on in space as a Dark Side entity while searching for a body to possess. When Darth Vitiate died, he transferred his soul into a guy named Valkorion who lived on the planet Zakuul (which is located at the very far end of the galaxy).
Also, the whole idea of Darth Sidious cloning himself and using Essence Transfer to hop from clone body to clone body was literally stolen straight from the Dark Empire trilogy.
God, this trilogy is full of stolen concepts. Even Johnson stole a few concepts from the KOTOR series.
The sad part about all of this is that before the ST was even concluded, Disney canon's fans harped on about how Legends canon sucks and that they're "glad" it was decanonized so that new folks over at Lucasfilm can come up with better concepts or ideas. Hell, Kathleen Kennedy promised that this new continuity would be fresh and new.
I used to agree with those people, but knowing how this trilogy ends now... I can say that I've completely switched sides. Disney canon is disappointing, Legends canon's fans were right but people made fun of them and called them gatekeepers.
This continuity is literally rehashing the old one in a different way. Had I known this earlier, I would've supported Legends canon more. God, the SW fandom can be full of hypocritical idiots sometimes...
Finn-"they fly now?" So you gonna act like you weren't a stormtrooper before? 😐
@Logan Legend you're really stupid
@Logan Legend They LITERALLY show you the comic pages in the video my guy. Those are First Order Stormtroopers.
Logan Legend he was a storm trooper like half a month ago they didn’t design and make and train new jet packs with new troopers in the span of 2 weeks
@Logan Legend Either way their point still stands. Po literally fought a flying storm trooper. There is no way Finn never saw a flying storm trooper before or at least know that they exist out there.
Finn's story is irrelevant by this point so they're like fuck it.
All the force ghosts when they saw force heal: Bruh
You can create Life out of nothing with the Force and fight off death. Healing doesn't seem like a far stretch.
Then Rey is using the Dark side of the force LMFAO she is no Jedi
@@4pfBulmond Mace Windu harnassed the Dark Side of the Force as well.
Edit: He didn't harnass the Dark Side but he utilised a Saber combat style that was prone to devolving to the Dark Side. Since it requires the user to be angry to master it.
@@Stellermeerkat not really, he just liked combat and was more of a risk to succumb to the dark side if not for the fighting style he created for himself
@@4pfBulmond I'll admit I'm not too knowledgeable about Mace Windu
Though I will add that Force Healing in the games is typically a light side ability and if you take into account what Force Healing is vs. say, resurrection and prolonging life. That makes sense.
I finally watched the film and turned it off with 20 minutes left after I saw palpatine use force lighting on hundreds of ships and did not destroy them when rey destroyed a ship earlier with her lighting.
Another plot hole: How is Fin and the other rebels able to breath while on the exterior of the Star destroyer? Even if the planet had an oxygen rich atmosphere they were at a tremendous altitude... 🤷♂️
Exactly.
Here's a plot hole, Alex is a phedofheg bhear, how does he still work here??
The knights of Ren, what was the point of their existence?
Good question
Cementing Ben Solo's redemption was a pretty significant utility if you ask me.
Toy sales
"Wouldn't they be cool guys" Thats pretty much it.
Day Be Trippin to look cool. And sell toys. Like everything else in Star Wars 😂😂
"How did they fix Anakin's Lightsaber"
"Flextape"
Ron Dove but we’ve seen canon sources stating that lightsabers can be repaired, how is that a plot hole
@@justafanofz well, it's a hole because it never gets answered, not even mentioned, how and when they did it.
RadyTV and where is it mentioned for anikin?
SMG Hero well let’s think about it, anakin had his cut in half in a droid factory which was then destroyed in a major battle, how did he get the pieces?
Catholic_thinker you’re talking about a time when the Jedi were a common force in the galaxy. Shortly after both Anakin and Kenobi are given new ones.
"Why did the lightsaber call to Rey...?" Let's remember that weapon committed three acts of mass murder. Maybe it isn't the hero's weapon we were led to believe.
Every time I hear Snoke
In my head I hear
“Snokey wants Smosh Smosh”
#41: Palpatine: “if you kill me you’ll become the Sith!”
Rey: “I won’t kill you!”
*5 minutes later kills Palpatine but doesn’t become the Sith.*
Guess he was just bluffing?
Or she did become Sidious and then he decided to keep it a secret.
or was it because he was killed by his own lightning so it doesn't count
My horrible explanation for that is she didn’t strike him down out of hate she was defending herself to finally beat him
He killed himself with the lightning fingers
+ITsCosmic4
You know the scriptwriter done messed it up when people in the comments have to invent a characters motivations themselves to make sense of the story. :(
Disappointing that the Knights of Ren were defeated in like one minute tbh what bs is that
Ikr like they didn't even do anything. The baddest shit they did in the entire movie was capture chewy. Then they slap kylo around for a bit and then die. Completely pointless characters
Reproducing the Boba Fett moments pf the OT. Cool looking characters with minimum screen time. They are wishing to replicate the success this had -- somehow. Remember Boba captures Han, KOR kidnap Chewie. With none of the backstory
Yeah I guess that sounds about right. But at least boba was present in the other movies. A recurring bg character is better than one-off nobodies
At least we saw them, for once. Although, it's probably so they can sell toys.
They existed to walk around and die.
Dave Filoni has to come back and fix this like he usually does
Palpatine is old so he has lightning incontinence.
or maybe it's a let's say 30 second skill, so when you start to use it, you can't turn it off, you have to wait for the timer to end
*Rise of Skywalker credits roll*
*George Lucas* : “..Jar Jar ain’t so bad now lmfao”
I would take a Jedi Master Jar Jar over this horseshit.
The Prequel are so much better then the sequels...
I’d much rather take prequels over sequels because at least the prequels expanded the characters/world from the original trilogy and didn’t cheapen the efforts of the Rebellion.
Honestly, Jar Jar Binks is really Awfull.
He embodied the end of the good star wars and made room for what was to come?
Jar Jar was the chosen one all along
Now that we have every character being overpowered, we can bring Force Unleashed into the canon. At least the history and narrative are good.
Finn - "They fly now?... Man, a lot has changed since I was a stormtrooper, all the years of training. Just didn't notice we had jetpacks during those years. I'm still kinda scared of weapons too and amazed at all the stuff the order has!"
Another plot hole: Palpatines plan is for rey to kill him so he can possess her, which is exactly what she does and she doesn't get possessed
SkaterBlades she didn’t kill him. He killed himself. She merely reflected his own lighting onto himself. Still stupid tho. I agree it’s kinda ridiculous but that’s the “logic” behind it
@@Fencepost55 that logic still makes no sense tho. if a jedi deflect a blaster bolt back to its shooter, killing him, is that suicide by the shooter then??
He can't do it without a consent form.
boop deeb I agree that’s why the movie is kinda ridiculous lmao
It goes deeper than that. She was going there to kill him in the first place. If he had just sat there and said nothing she would've killed him. But he told her that he was gonna take her over and then she didn't kill him (until she did it at the end).
But hey, this is the genius that broadcasted to the galaxy that we was gonna attack them in 16 hours when there was zero tactical reason to do so
I could’ve tolerated a bad trilogy but they had to takeaway from the past trilogy by making Darth Vader’s sacrifice useless
Ya I wouldn't say it was meaningless per say, sense he still saved his son
@Jordan Miller it was useless, since Palpatine survived just fine and not transfer his soul into a clone body like legends.
Got 30 or so years with no sith. Considering they existed for 20000 years beforehand I'd say that Anakins legacy was intact. It was also his bloodline that made the sacrifice again to save the galaxy. Again. Intact legacy
Just don't consider it Canon
Darth Vader suffered from original sin, aka being a male, so screwing up his story was completely justified in eyes of the Kathleen "force is female" Kennedy.
41. HOW DID PALPATINE GET LAID?!
Force sex
He was the most powerful being in the galaxy for over two decades. Pretty sure he could get some pussy.
The official answer is that Palpatine’s “son” was actually a failed clone.
27:19 *had me dying AJ 😂 because I thought the same thing why didn’t he just stop using his lightning attack.*
There's one you missed: Finn says that Endor is where the last war ended, even though it is established that the final battle of the Galactic Civil War was on Jakku... which is a planet and backstory that JJ Abrams HIMSELF CREATED.
Facepalm.
So dumb
To be fair Finn didn't know Storm Troopers had Jet Packs; despite being a former Storm Trooper and pretty much all of Star Wars long establishing Jet Packs as a thing. So Finn isn't the sharpest child soldier......in fact JJ pretty much forgets Finn is a child soldier; hell even in "The Force Awakens" Finn acts nothing how I would expect a child soldier to act so yea JJ can't do lore/world building for shit.
RIDICULOUS as this whole trilogy.
DNC Chair Tom Perez no now you’re being an idiot he means the last “actual” battle just shutup
So you're telling me that the Resistance killed 290 million people in the final battle on Exogal
Bloody commies.
Why not? They all complained that the Holdor manoeuvre should be done all the time as well. Star Wars clearly needs more suicide bombers according to the crying fanbois like Joe
Luke killed about a million when he destroyed the first Death Star, including civilians.
@@tilapiastew6784 dont bring your logic here boy. We're here to hate a movie for any reason we can think of and deny other possibilities!
@@RGBeanie Because you can't simply program a droid to do it, or make specialized small ships to do it automated, no, it's required to have suicide bombers.
In my opinion, Rey would have been a better character if they made her a clone that was originally planned to be a new and more powerful body for Palpatine. Her "parents" could have been a pair of scientists that grew a conscience and smuggled her away from Palpatine's watch. This fixes the whole her parents are nobody issue and her op force powers as she could have been flash trained while in the cloning vat. It would even tie into her "dark side cave" scene where she only sees herself. Also "Dark Rey" could have been another clone that she had to fight for real rather than that 30-second "fight" we actually got. It even makes her choice to be Rey Skywalker have more meaning as she literally had no family name.
Really cool idea
The fact that AJ, OJ and Alex have officially dubbed Palpatine's absorb ability as "Force suck" is amazing. In going to call it that from now on
Palatine didn't survive, George Lucas said so.
Disney: That name has no power here!!!
Correct...This is a clone of Palpatine.
TZoningHard read Dark Empire. May not be canon now, but it tells the Palpatine clone story a lot better
The old cloning excuse, gotta hate it...
@@Timbo6669 if it's a clone it should be aged 30 with no scars...again it makes no sense. If someone clones you the clone is a baby not the same age and it wouldn't have the same injuries 🤣
Alex had the perfect answer.
Alex: "How did Maz get Luke's lightsaber?"
Joe: "It was explained in a comic."
Alex: "Who cares?"
Just perfect. If you need a comic to explain your movie; your movie is trash.
@Bladezeromus PREACH!
Comics, books, games etc should be used to enhance the lore, and bring the universe to life. Not explain away plot holes.
Not to mention Disney announced all of that comic or tv series none canon so who give a fuck anymore
The funny thing I noticed is when they call on the comics and peripheral shows to explain why ROS had some of the issues it did. It's appears as though "comics shouldn't be needed to explain the movie's decisions. However, they should've used these instances of lore and information in the comics to make this make sense." I think the problem with that mindset is that someone, somewhere had to read the comics to understand the implications they posses. Being as that is the case, either the people who didnt read comics or watch shows or buy visual dictionaries will be confused because things are decided before they watch the movie and arent let in on the information OR people who did read the comics, watch the shows, and buy the visual dictionaries are flipping their shit because the movie resolves things within itself that use none of that tertiary information. There doesn't seem to be a way out of that loop of logic.
@@metalsaur3896
The logic loop turns into a fucking moebius strip when you realize that it seems Disney made the EU noncanon just so that they could steal ideas then poorly implement them.
This is what happens when you change directors for every movie
I have one thats always baffled me how come Palpy shoots that massive burst of force lightning right up into the atmosphere, and it immobilizes all of the Resistance ships, yet earlier on in the movie Rey accidentally shot a small burst of force lighting and that immediately blew up the First Order transport ship (she thought Chewie was on)??
Ion lightning 😂😂😂
"the force unleashed is not canon because starkiller is too overpowered" also star wars "rey can revive anyone,emperor is zeus on crack"
Yup my thoughts exactly
Unlike Rey, the game did not treat Starkiller nicely.
Not to defend the film but force storms are an established thing. It's never confirmed but heavily speculated that Palpatine has so much dark energy that it basically just manifests itself.
Lol No I thought force storms were apparently wormholes?
@@lolno6562 Force storms were only established in what disney now calls "Legends" just as force heal is. so no, disney got rid of it, they shouldn't have stolen it from the rightful creators.
Disney's fanfiction sequel is not canon. Case closed.
Canon: only the mitochondri- *ahem*, I mean mitichlorians matter.
"Authentic" doesn't always mean good.
@Madam Meouff madam
Cannon is a dumb concept anyway, It's ALL fantasy.
@@lennynero8614 will never be canon. Case closed, no matter how many times the Mouse says it.
Legends is more canon.
@@floatingpointz5903 U do realize they basically brought back midiclorians? That's their explanation to how Rey is a Mary Sue lmao.
"I identify as Jedi, and a Skywalker as well."- Ray whatever
I'm dying laughing at how ridiculous the plot holes are and the reactions. I feel like I'm listening to the banter from my friends about the film. I love this!!
The locals: You can't go. the waves are to violent.
Rey: *is from a desert planet and has never sailed before* Hold my beer
Aquaman is drinking beer. Ray is drinking a concentrated blue cocktail of MDMA, speed, coke and 75% sugar.
@@GholaTleilaxu So, in a nutshell, she's drinking the Kool-Aid?
@Ghola Tleilaxu
Don't you just love American culture?
It's the kind of culture that should never leave a Petri dish.
(and no, I have no clue why it mangles your name when I hit reply)
@@0x777 Nope. I had to search for "drinking the kool-aid" murikan expression and I found only craziness and death.
Rey is Jesus in this movie.
Palpatine was cloned. "I shall call him... MINI ME!"
Mini me like chocolate
REY DONT
Then Mini me snored.
Palpatine: "or Snork"
Then Mini me ate it.
Palpatine: "bleah, it's Snoke then" xd
Yeah, this whole movie felt like a bad Austin Powers crossover .
Fun fact: Did you know the sequel movies aren't cannon? Yeah they were actually written buy my little sister. THAT I JUST FLIPPIN MADE UP!!!!!!!!!
I like this new, taller, chad version of joe in blue.
Huge shoutout to Adam Driver:
In episode 7 he was one of the main things people complained about
to episode 9 where he is the best part of the entire trilogy by far
Disney messed up so bad. Ben solo should not have died. He should have tried to heal rey but failed. Rey should have died and it would be the rise of skywalker. Ben solo would finally be the jedi we expected anakin and luke to be.
Also, the memory of han solo meeting with ben was stupid. Force ghost Anakin should have turned Ben solo to the light side of force.
@@sagnorm1863 thank you thank you Palatine should have took over kylo's body and killed Rey causing Anakin's force ghost and maybe even Luke's to come and fight Palatine they expel palpatine from kylo's body and etc
This comments right here, made a much more understandable, interesting and compelling story.
But we have to put up with this Star Wars: Rise of a Poser.
He is the only one walking out of this mess with clean hands. I kinda liked him as Ben not gonna lie, the light side fits him better.
But strong Wamen
"Death is a concept invented by the Jedi."
ドラゴン "I don't even know how to spell it!"
You old sponge
“Death is a social construct.”
Bob Bobson in yoda voice
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Oh no!
"Palpatine powers up"
Kylo- His power level is over 9000!
Rey-I need your energy! (starts summoning spirit bomb)
How is this not DragonBall?
Nice video Joe answering these questions has made me like the movie even more so far ima watch it again.
C3PO: Taking one last look sir… at my friends
Me: Your friends?! This is the first movie we see you with them
Carl Isaksson it was obvious he was referring to the audience, that’s why he’s looking In the camera
@@untouchableghost1156 That makes it even worse
Then half way through the movie he has his memory restored. Making that whole scene pointless.
Such a missed opportunity!! He could have just flashed back to a scene of Han, Luke, and Leia and the scene would have had more meaning.
and everyone was mean to him. at least han treated him with some humanity. poe was just “gaawd.. fuck off 3p0!”
I love how much Joe HATES this movie, its so intense. "The hate is strong with this one."
He would make a good sith.
Karl Dilkington goood, gooood. Let the hate flow through you
To fuck up star wars is sacrilegious. Atleast episodes 1-3 had a cohesive story.
Andrew Gardner yess let the hate flow through you
Andrew Gardner strike me down and your journey towards the darkside will be complete
I have another set of plot holes/stupid moments for you...
You did say... How did that big piece of the Death Star survive but was it under water that whole time? Uunder water for over 30 years and no water got in and it didn't rust?
First it was blown up ( some parts remained around Endor - seen it in Battlefront 2 ) but that big chunk was blown beyond Endor's gravity and kept flying until it hit some other moon/planet?
It wouldn't be shielded so why didn't it burn up passing through that atmosphere or smash into the ground creating a massive explosion? Because it landed in water? That water would have to be as deep as a great ocean and even then the Death Star piece woulda superheated the water as it sunk to the bottom so it woulda been like hitting land anyway plus it woulda made a real big splash flooding the land. Most of all, everything in it woulda been broken on impact or tossed out in space as it flew to the next world or at the very least that stupid space map thing woulda fell over and not be in the very same place it was before so how could the knife line up perfectly to show where it is 30+ years later. Wouldn't water have gotten in the Death Star as the tides shifted and the space map get washed awaym? When was that knife made and by who? Why didn't Luke go to that Death Star chunk? Who made the space map devices and when? Was it before or after the battle of Endor? If the map was made before, why didn't Palpatine leave it in a safer place? How did he know the marks on the knife would still work years later? If the knife was made years later, after Endor, then why didn't Palps just send the map to people? Why make a knife only Sith could read? Sith is a dead/ancient language taught to Sith by other Sith. You don't get your language at birth, you have to lean it as you grow, from your parents talking to you and in school.
Palpatine's child should have the Force. If Anakin's kids got it and Lia's kid got it then that means each generation gets it so Palps kid would get it.
This trilogy is just getting worse and worse with age. It’s fascinating discussing it. It’s a direct contrast with marvel, which, say what you will about how formulaic they can be, were meticulously planned out over 25+ movies. Disney couldn’t plan just one trilogy, just THREE movies
Motto of this film:
“Let the past die...kill it if you have to..”
literally
That's from TLJ
This one is more like: "No one's ever really gone..."
That was the plot for the entire Sequel trilogy. The way Han just goes. I knew the path star wars was going after that.
Makes me wonder if they originally planned to kill off chewbacca
Saying that's the motto is like saying g child murder is okay because Anakin did it. Y'all know you're quoting the villain right? Hell Rey is literally all the Jedi.
i wouldn't mind seeing the whole sequel trilogy being retconed tbh.
I wouldn't mind seeing everything after ESB retconned.
frieza65 nah, Return of the Jedi was good
@@batspam1013 Good...eh (the intro is so dumb and long). Passable though.
To me it's Legends from ROTJ on
I think only the prequel should be cannon
Also about plotholenumber one. In revenge of the sith when palpatine was telling Anakin about the "unnatural abilities" he clearly said in the story he told that it's possible to stop others from dying but you can't stop yourself from dying.
well its never said you cant. the master of palpatine got very close to it but then he killed the master before he could fully learn it. its explained in the book. but to even do something like that was alots of training and understanding of the force. only one was able to use the force to bring back a person also the person its body was alive but not fully. like he was braindead but alive thats how far he got with the whole study. so even if palpatine learn the sercret to bring someone back they wouldnt be back just the body would be so he couldnt be back alive and rule again with that power.
This is the best! Thank you so much.