Talking About Dave Chappelle's "The Closer"
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Dude from the USA here: Thank you for your invaluable insight. I do not mean this sarcastically or mockingly. I truly do appreciate the fact that you are able to have these sorts of thoughts and conversations. It feels like anytime this sort of subject comes up, we aren't allowed to voice any opinion that isn't approved by one group or another.
On rotten tomatoes Dave Chappelle: The Closer is 38% Tomatometer while the Audience Score is 96%
wasnt it pretty much the same with his other specials on netflix?
@@markbond08 only the part about his friend that ended themselves. The other parts were fine. But yea The Closer wasn't as good as Sticks and Stones
God I fucking love your takes. I'm trans and I completely agree with you and recognize what you've concluded on. I've always watched your stuff because I love and agree with a lot of what you have to say.
I came into this video knowing you'd be able to put a lot of my thoughts and feelings into words and I am not disappointed. (:
I love that you can recognize the plight of minority groups, but you also call out irrational sjw behavior that does nothing to help those groups. And I like how you don't go off on edgy bigoted rants like a lot of anti-sjw people go on. You're just completely rational.
As a journalist I love your work. As a trans person, I love what you had to say on this topic.
I wish Patrice o Neal was still alive, if he got a Netflix special it would be changing the comedy world
I thought I had a pretty good handle on who was in the right and why on this chappelle thing, incredibly after listening to Lewis I realised I didnt because I didnt really get what was going on in the first place, and why. It''s so easy nowdays to form an unwaivering opinion based on the bits you hear about but its also so hard to remember to not look for right and wrong ,what matters is just to understand where people are coming from.
Lewis you fkn Legend.
As an American I think its really nice to have Richard's commentary on America as someone older than me who can see the forest for the trees (or however the phrase goes).
It's "can't see the forest for the trees." :P
@@ornatus9616 yes so I used it backwards in this case.
Amazing content, as usual Rich. One thing, would it be possible to add the stream day from which these clips are taken in the description? Thank you!
I had soccer coaches in high school and college that would always tear into us if we did something stupid. I wouldn't say I'm the biggest fan of that coaching style but it definitely worked on most people on the team. I liked my coaches overall(mainly bc I never did anything completely dumb) and they were rarely going to lose their shit over something small unless they had a really bad day. Its still pretty uncomfortable when your team is playing like shit or screwed up something we'd practiced a ton and you go off the field at half time to your coach yelling his head off at people. That clip just looks like a coach going off on somebody for something he's probably told them not to do before. I don't know why everything has to be about race, I bet that coach just really likes to scream at people lol. Whether you agree with that coaching style or not is another conversation.
Same situation here, had a soccer coach who would yell so much and get so emotional it was not uncommon for him to get ejected from the field. He had a lot of knowledge and you could tell he was passionate about the game but I would say that style did more harm than good. It was always tense on the sideline when things weren't going well, you knew the next practice was going to suck
Happy to hear this opinion, I always find it so sad how the Left has changed so much - protect the rights of the worker and the downtrodden. That was the calling, now it doesn’t feel so simple
Great Sunday evening content as usual!
It’s afternoon 3head
hits different when you know whats going on in britain with the LGB alliance and richard's history with maria
What’s going on there?
@@blixerie9317 too long to explain you could probably look it up yourself, i wouldnt be able to do it justice
28:04 in the special he says that a black gay dude wouldn't call the police, so he actually mentions that there are black gay people
That would show that Dave may be in a bubble, because I know gay black dudes who called the police when some lads beat the shit out them for being gay.
Reminds me of Ice T, getting shit for having money and a good life, but still making music (eg No Lives Matter with his band Body Count - great song btw) that highlights the shit that black and poorer people get.
Whether one agrees with Chappelle's points, made via comedic delivery, or not, opinions are there to talk about, not shut down and remove.
Thank you so much for explaining jokes in such a clear way.
This is better than any lecture ive been a part of..
Growing up my two best friends who are brothers had natural afros. I always thought it was really cool so one day my dad got me an afro wig and I absolutely loved it. I wanted my hair to be just like theirs. To think people assign inherent mal intent is scary.
It's so ridiculous how these movements tear into one another. Victim mentality drives people mad.
Thank you for the perspective.
This video has more cuts than a deli.
that was unexpected. now I just love Richard even more!!!
Excellent work as always, Richard. A beacon in this mess
Great take, Richard. Summarized my sentiments on the matter pretty well.
Mad Lee
Great topic. Loved the video
Too many cuts, but, I love it dude. Keep up the good work.
It's almost 60 mins and you want it to be longer?
@@mrgreen3002 Yes.
32:00 to me clicking the CZcams link and pressing play is the exact same thing as going to a comedy club. I'm opting in. My world doesn't have that joke in it until I directly take an action that results in me hearing that joke. To me nothing has changed except barrier to entry, but mentally it's identical.
God I love you so much Rich thank u for talking about this. It's such a huge psychological weight.
One thing I noticed from a lot of the criticism on Closer was it came from people openly admitting to not even watching the special.
Good points, man. Also, Bruichladdich makes some great Islays. Been meaning to enjoy my Port Charlotte 10 myself.
If you look at the joke, listed to it, you've opted in.
Nothing is sacred in comedy.
Keep the truth alive Richard
Much love
Chapelle is definitely one of my favorite comedians of all time. There was always some jokes that didn't landed right with me and I think maybe being and the discomfort of some parts is probably intended, but overall I love his style of comedy. One of the few to take heavy topics and not only make it funny while also leaving the thought of "shit, that's not that far off the mark though, is it?". I haven't watched The Closer specifically yet because Netflix's subscription price got really outrageous in my country but I definitely plan to someday, but this one it seems like he definitely shot for something more meta for the twitter clips I've seen. It doesn't seem like his best work from a comedy perspective but "performative art" seems like a perfect way to put it given how every social media bubble collectively lost their marbles.
You didnt watch it tho.
@@mrgreen3002 Like I said, judging from the reactions. Sticks and Stones was pretty much the same, just... less extreme.
@@Raxyz_0 ok then your opinion holds very little weight.
@@mrgreen3002 Hey, it holds enough that you care. That's good enough for me.
y tf has Richard aged -10 years wi that trim ... man's looking fresh
Very thoughtful content as always Richard. Definitely a touch of Stewart Lee in your delivery.
I didn’t recognized that many cuts in your videos before. Was there a reason for it?
Quite often these clips are pulled from Rich's stream and edited down to reduce waffling and transitions between topics and bringing things up on screen.
He drinks a lot between sentences and pauses to read chat and so on.
@@kenobents2741 I actually like the purer and therefore more natural form of his monologues, but I guess this is just me. ;)
@@indigomaterie me 2, but for a CZcams upload it is handy when it's not as big as a file I suppose.
wow, what a great nuanced take
I think comedy has always been the place to say shit nobody else can.
Those Shirts btw are always smashing
I would love a comedy related stream or video I think there is a lot of stuff to talk about uk and us comedy, where its going, its „conflict“ with trans issues, censorship and the list goes on. Great video.
I have watched Richard Lewis' content for over 10 years, yet never knew he was bisexual. Am I the only one?
Its not something he's kept hidden just that the topic hasn't come up often but yeah he's mentioned it a few times in the past (like rajj show and stuff)
They're all over the place because everyone wants things their way. Which clashes wiith other people wanting things their way.
as a transgirl I feel like one of the biggest lacking points today are how little we are informed of the concept of being trans or cis. Like today I'm 17 and I came to the conclution that I'm trans about half a year ago, but during pretty much my entire life I went around feeling like something just wasn't right. And like if we were just introduced to the concept of trans earlier in life I feel like a lot more people would be able to come to a point where they are sure of who they are. I feel like that would also help prevent a lot of depressive episodes in peoples lives, personaly I know it would have helped me.
Same
Fuck yeah, I was hoping you'd make some content on this considering people are bashing him up on it and missing the point. Time to watch!
At 37:19, I don't think the article meant that Dave has white privilege, just that he uses the fact that white privilege exists to excuse his homophobia.
if only they'd know about the swedish 90s kids show 'Bröderna Fluff'
Great video Rich. I like the framing and background. I disagree on how funny the special is, I thought the beginning was good, but the back half really lacked jokes.
I was wondering if you would be open to talk about your opinions on the violations of the humans right in the suppression of peaceful protest against the greenpass laws (which are usually anti-constitutional by themselves) that are coming through in Italy, Germany and other European countries. I would be curious to know what you think about them since I consider you a person who's open to discussion and other ways of thinking and to inform themselves before they take a strict position.
Thank you, idk if some joke a comedian tells me is offensive to me, as long as the guy makes me laugh I'm happy, its not like you actually need to give a shit about his opinions. just my 2 cents.
As a Palestinian who's lived most my life under brutal Israeli occupation, I don't think the "SPace Jews" joke is outrageous whatsoever. I agree with most of your other points, good vid
Jokes are jokes. Taking them seriously and personally will only hurt you in life. Comedy needs to say as comedy. I am trans open for years now. It’s long road but in time I hope with society making jokes will help people move forward.
i have that deftones shirt!!
You’ll be glad to know that Flares in Boro is still going and as shit as ever
Everyone forgets Dave pretty much said, "if you're at home watching this on Netflix remember...YOU CLICKED ON MY FACE."
If you don't find him funny, don't watch him. It's not hard.
Comedians often speak the truth without you realizing it. :)
I love that ur not self righteous about ur sexuality ur just matter of fact and honest about it. Feels normal and not cringe or annoying when u talk about sexuality stuff.
Nice
Watched the special and wasn't surprised to find nothing outrageous or obviously transphobic uttered. Reminds me very much of the JK Rowling stuff where, if you push through all the people claiming bigotry and transphobia to actually get to the content of what the person said, there is just reasonable disagreement at worst and more often even active acceptance and understanding. Too many people haven't contended with real bigotry, it seems. It's this toxic, oppressive response that draws further pushback from the people it affects. How could it not?
47:30
I didn't leave the left, the left left the left.
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Howdy Rich, watched your content for years, started at the Home story cup and used to do reposts to Teamliquid, reddit and other stuff for ya but, then left your content around 2016ish as i drifted pretty far left on the political spectrum and started exploring different ideas.
That said, this video did not go the way i expected it to, and it's clear you've changed a lot as well, seem's we've all changed a lot since the SC2 days haha.
Strangely as a person that is quite left, i think Dave's special had a lot more nuance then the wider conversation on trans issues and i think sadly it might just have been too nuanced for most people to follow, kinda like the old hypothetical conversations and analogies that you used to have with Destiny and Thorin on those various talk shows.
I think the heart of the matter really isn't about the jokes. To be fair to your criticism i do believe Dave fucked up when he used gender and sex interchangeably and the stuff about jk rowling. That has really bad negative effects but i think that's more out a general ignorance and it's something i honestly think he could be reached on. It's an aha moment he just hasn't had because once that concept clicks into place everything else kind of falls into place with understanding the Trans movement and their struggles. The other big one is understanding that Dypshoria is the illness and transition is the treatment.
But i think what he was really getting at all came to a point right at the end. Empathy is bi. To tear others down through cancellations like we've been doing to "protect" a minority has drifted from a self defensive position, to an aggressive, nasty and malicious position as people have lost that empathy and respect for the person they're tearing apart.
We appear to be at a crossroads with trans issues, and i hope we pull back from the brink of ruin for the movement by slowing down the tearing of others that's been so far unchecked across the twitterverse and to a softer more gentle approach lest the gains of the movement be lost in the irrelevant arguments of extremism online.
Last thing we need is lose all the progress we'd gained by repeating the mistakes we made in 2016 when we allowed the alt-right a space in the door for people confused and caught in the crossfire of a rapidly changing social fabric. That'd be shit for us all.
Hope you're well mate, ZizLah
Damn. You just threw me into a time portal to me watching Unfiltered with ChanmanV, Destiny, and Richard.
I don't want to be conspirationist but when you see the end result, rather by byproduct or by design you might want to ask if foreign Chinese money in university and news paper in America might explain a bit more what is happening in America. It's God damn crazy that you can't celebrate the progress of the civil rate movement and the good thing that happen to come to this point without being called a racist.
Wonder how will smith feels about comedy
Daily reminder the sooner we leave social media behind the quicker we can normalise all genders and sexualites.
I don't think I'd enjoy the special personally, as a trans person, but I don't like this idea that it shouldn't be allowed to exist or that Netflix shouldn't have it. I'm happy enough to just not watch it myself and to let people who want to enjoy it do so. Hearing it might get pulled makes me want to check it out too, since I think I have a thick enough skin to deal with a few bad jokes if it's otherwise funny and making a good point.
Hey rich I think this comment section is infested with crypto bots, just wanna let you know, fishy as fuck. Great video on the actual subject btw. Very good insight.
Crypto is the new gold cyberfilth.
This is just another case of people needing thicker skin. My trans friends don't need constant validation and they make jokes about their own identity. They're comfortable with who and what they are, they've accepted it. I understand that not everyone can be like that for various reasons, but what can we even do? We can't just walk on eggshells our whole lives to accommodate people we don't know who might feel some sort of genuine trauma or anxiety.
I used to use the "Tranny." Term with my two transgender friends, and one day. They just corrected me and said it bothered them, they didnt scream at me or belittle me, they just simply said they consider it offensive and I stopped using it, I think if more often. We had considerate and polite corrections. We would probably be in a better place, socially. That is.
@@KOHoxton most of us are reasonable. The picture painted by afew instances that are sensationalised by right wing media makes u think otherwise, unless someone’s being outwardly hostile towards me for being trans I’m not really gonna go off at them, repeated misgendering after I tell them my pronouns and il just stop speaking to them if I can
I have a friend who is veeerryy white and he has fluffy curly hair and had a natural afro in high school! Is that racist for being born with it?
people have lost control of their emotions and the pandemic has made it worse. everything is made about race now and days even when it has nothing to do with it because people have been brain washed because people are being broadcasted so much of the bad stuff but its really only a very small % of interactions
It’s crazy to me that some of my friends have told me they don’t believe cancel culture is real. It makes me question what rock have they been living under.
I use to be of the firm opinion cancel culture is real, but I think that its more complicated then people give it credit for.
You have to ask yourself what is cancel culture?
And when did it begin?
And the answers are... not easy.
When we look just at the 20th century alone we can find many many many examples of cancel culture, the difference was who was empowered to do the canceling.
I think you could argue our culture began to shift in the 60s/70s and it began to really show in the 90s with punk rock etc etc.
And then the internet.
I feel like the internet has caused culture to shift so dramatically so quickly its almost at a break neck speed that forces our 20th century culture and 21st century culture to co-exist in a way I'm not sure culture has ever had to do before in a society.
My best guess is neither culture will survive and a 3rd culture will rise. Maybe it will be a merging of the two even. We won't really know for decades though and this is where I think worrying about the culture war becomes a mistake. These things sort themselves out with time, in the meantime we should focus on being a good person.
While I love Dave, I really hate his beyond meat joke. I'm not even trans and that fucking hurt. I think he crossed the line from joking to bullying there. That's my line, not cAnCeL cUlTuRes line.
I really hope Dave can somehow turn this into a healthy conversation because so far he's stirring a pot just to make his critics mad. Which is trolling and I get it, but really odd for the most successful comedian to do, especially when he says he wants a conversation.
@@Damious100 He did come out and say he was willing to have a conversation with the people trying to cancel him but they’ve been ducking him since it came out that their head figure for the “Anti Dave Chapelle Movement” had made some transphobic remarks. The irony of it all is astonishing.
@@Damious100 Also I see your point 👍🏾.
Why put the label on yourself? "I'm this I'm that"
Not really labels when that's simply what you are. It's not like all labels are bad, some are used as qualifiers. I doubt you'd say the same thing if someone was saying "I'm a redhead", feels like it's the sexuality part that struck a nerve.
@@GenerationalDisappointment No it's because we are human beings and putting a label on that HUMAN BEING makes it more than what we are rather than appreciating us for who we are. It's like having pride in the name your parents give you and taking it seriously rather than just being a name for people to call you by.
@@seren451 The term "human being" is actually a label created by man. We are what we are, no label needed.
@@GenerationalDisappointment Fair you got me there, i guess it's the taking "pride" in doing what we do and looking the way we look that I don't understand.
@@seren451 I completely understand what you're getting at and id tend to agree. I do think some labels are useful in certain situations though like when Richard says he's bi, it's to qualify his experiences and opinions so that people understand where he's coming from. Can't stand it when people do it for no reason though. I was just being difficult earlier haha
Stole his jokes blatantly from Owen Benjamin
I used to watch Owen a lot years ago, he was always talking sh*t and would list off a lot of jokes he claimed to have created but couldn't actually prove any of it. Sometimes he'd pull up a clip where he'd have a joke with the same premise but that's not enough to say they were stolen.
Regarding the dear white people writer you see this all the time with “uncle toms” etc where its fine to down talk a black person (or any other minority group) if they dont walk the line.
As for the trans person in netflix can we stop pretending that all people of one category would do and think the same? That was partially his point about his trans friend and again what would happen to a trans person if they let something through that doesnt walk the line?
Algorithm comment.
I believe what makes you rare is that, with all your experiences, you keep your emotions in check and allow yourself to have a think about it before snapping into some holier-than-thou biting reflex. While I wish you were not the exception, you are. That makes you special and our life and times... not so much, unfortunately.
to the point on the Trans movement, there is a developing country that has figured it all out decades ago, where the country is notorious partly because of its' trans population, where they work in all sectors and are very visible, accepted and safe - Thailand. Yet America and the individualists there have made themselves the epicentre of this great new struggle, when they could look for solutions elsewhere, if they knew anywhere else in the world existed. Bear in mind that the attitudes towards trans people is very different there (TH), in that they are generally well accepted, especially by the younger generations. But Thailand (and many countries in Asia) are much more about the collective than the individual. The in-your-face-ness of the approach in the US and somewhat the UK, to me, is repulsive, where a natural transition of ideas and beliefs is being stifled. Whatever the transition period looked like in Thailand when it happened, I don't know. But now at least, trans (i.e. ladyboys) there just blend into society with the acceptance that they can live their life like anyone else. I just don't get the sense that that is the end goal for a lot of the American trans people, where the goal seems to be claiming themselves to equal to biological men, or women, when they just be their own unique thing and get on living. Another final thing to consider; being trans there often doesn't involve making life-altering changes to your body i.e. a lot of them don't undergo surgery. That includes tom-boys which you also see a lot more of there. Whatever it is, they are doing it absolutely right. Hence why I think it isn't really about finding a solution, and more about a new way to claim victim status (not in all cases, but the loudest voices perhaps)
I think Dave made a good point earlier though that you're welcome to your beliefs but where am I obligated to part of your identity.
The critcism of Chappelle's statement about 'everyone passing through the legs of a woman' is totally absurd, and his statement holds regardless of surgical 'c-section' interventions.
_Because even if they didn't COME OUT 'through the legs of a woman', _*_THAT'S CERTAINLY HOW THEY WENT IN! (during the act of insemination.)_*
Chappelle's 'legs of a woman' point still holds true.
(So CHECKMATE 'writer of that idiotic article'.)
_Although with an absurd 'over-reach' like that, I find myself wondering whether the author has ever considered a new career in basketball?_ Because tbh, serious journalism really doesn't seem to be 'their bag'.
It's not the ultraliberal vs the ultraracist, it's the ultraracist vs the ultraracist.
Richard I hate to say this but you are always going to be canceled. It doesn't take you having had an afro to do that.
It just hurts to see, how are Americans so bad at dealing with their history ?
For trans people the only aim I have right now with how the conversation is being handled is to not be a topic. Don't care to be clumped in with radical activists or even nonbinary people since its a whole different situation. There is a lot to be talked about with mixed people but dont think were ready to move past black and white boxes cant even come up with a good category for mestizo/hispanic/latino/native people in the US
Imo, truely great comedians can be funny even without making you think, too much. My love and may he rest in peace is Norm MacDonald and his comedy was purely delivery and not caring for the placed in "systems".
“Ultra liberal and then there’s ultra racist” same exact thing my friend
One things that bothers me Rich, is that you refer to the far right as racist but the far the left. Both horseshoe theory and reality show us the far ends of the spectrum are closer ideologically than they are to the middle. That means whatever negativity you see from one is also from the other. This is the same trick the media tries to play with "reverse discrimination."
You're so close and yet so far.
Also I wouldn't be surprised to see you delete my comment and block me just for having a different viewpoint and ideology. Tis the far lefts way.
Do you think I am "far left?"
I like how you conflate race with class constantly in this video. Dave is black, but he is a wealthy black person, part of the "1%", so main complain seems to be that a wealthy black man is making fun of an oppressed group. Ironically is an oppressed group that is thirstier for power than feminists ever were.
I would say people just needs to stand back and just enjoy Oppression Olympics.
I hear you, but after seeing the special, I dont think anyone has a doubt in their minds that Dave is somewhat transphobic for real. Especially trans women, because of the old and true terf mentality that they only exist to co opt the woman experience and are impersonating them. You dont cancel him over it, but If im a trans woman Im not fucking hanging out with Dave chapelle
I mean the whole bit at the end of Dave's special. Sure the jokes are transphobic, but as a person he obviously built a great friendship with Daphne. She had no issue hanging out with Dave. Letting her open shows. Him setting up a trust fund for the daughter, and saying your father was one hell of a woman. None of that is transphobic and I feel sorry for his loss. A few jokes don't outright paint a picture of who we are as people.
@@kinkykenny1971 im not talking about the jokes. Did you watch it?
@@emilelocas5496 Yea i did. Jokes aside what makes you think he is transphobic?
@@kinkykenny1971 did you not read my comment? The "im team terf" isnt a joke. Hes team terf
@@emilelocas5496 Yet he still had a great friendship with someone who is trans. He has said he doesnt have a problem with trans people. Being a terf doesnt make you explicitly transphobic. Why is there no grey area anymore? Every issue is either black or white.
Also Dave C. is 100% no1 likes the Ts...
Ahhh how dare people be different!
tbf there are reasonable Ts out there, like Dave's Daphne, but just like the same case that happened the majority drowns their voices.
@@trishula-8037 diffrent ? or mental ? if you dont help mentally ill people, they go crazy... proof me wrong. my proof is Twitter and Tumblr
@@RaveSaulthonestly i dont know ... i know maybe 1 or 2 in media who seem normal... like blair white ..
I have two trans friends, I love them to death. But they are full on hysterically left, so we've basically agreed to never discuss politics, because that shit will drive a massive wedge between us.
There's nothing inherently wrong with segregation.
Inherently no because that would be the organic form of it, the issue is when it's sanctioned.
@@GenerationalDisappointment not an issue either of both parties agree.