Hunden Banned Again But This Time He Wants To Take Heroic Down With Him
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One of the most insane parts of Hunden's story is about the anti-strats segment. He was accused of sharing the teams strat book and says "All I did was share anti-strats" as if that makes it okay and him not guilty. They're literally 1/2 of the strategy as a team. That's why they're called anti-strats. It's what your team does vs what their team does to make the plan for the match.
What a wild story.
Well, to be fair, its a bit more complex than how you lay it out. A Danish podcast debated whether or not what HUNDEN did was wrong. All of this is of course speculative as we dont know exactly what he shared. ESIC themselves actually admitted to being lazy and they didnt even review the entire material. In my own opinion what HUNDEN did was disloyal, but ESIC's handling of the case is poorly at best.
If HUNDEN were sharing his principles, his philosophies and how he thinks of the game which is something Heroic has build their strategy around - however how can Heroic have copyright on HUNDEN's own theories, thoughts and mentality ?
If a club in football signs Mourinho - they get one philosophy, if they sign Guardiola they get another philosophy. Does that mean that Roma or Manchester City owns those ideas now? No, it doenst.
It would be like if Mourinho or Guardiola goes on TV-broadcast and discuss how they want their team to build up play, press etc. You can actually find interviews of such things - you cant however find lawsuits against coaches for doing that.
There are coaching meetings where coaches discuss these things in details together.
HUNDEN created the "danish playstyle" together with Glalve while they worked together along time ago - way before Heroic - and those ideas are his own ideas aswell. Therefor it is more complex. then again it is hugely disloyal sharing it with rival teams.
@@marcuschristiansen8961 exactly
@@marcuschristiansen8961 but if he did share any strats it would be like bill belichick sharing his playbook against a rival team before monday might football. Wich would be extremely punishable even if it only contained how they as a team respond to double coverage against a certain player. Because it could influence the following game.
@@lopelle1 But then why werent Astralis punished? Because they decided the match integrity werent compromised as the folder werent opened by the receiving end.
Either the match integrity were compromised and then I agree with you completely or it wasnt - and ESIC decided it wasnt and when thats the case, Then I seriously wonder how come there still is a case against HUNDEN because of the arguments I make in the first post.
@@marcuschristiansen8961 If hunden tries ro compromise match integrity it is basis for a ban should it be penalised less severily maybe but you do penalise attempted arson, murder, bribery etc. No mattee if the cop took the bribes or not. or if the perp managed to burn the premise.
now that Smooya has grown out of his old rodent ways, is it time to appoint a new rat king?
Absolutely no mercy.
Sixnine family ties lol
Shame that wasn't a BTN question
The rat god maybe?
What happened with smooya?
Are the people saying that the sentence is too long ignoring the fact that Hunden is a multiple offender at this point? In isolation I'd agree that 2 years seems a bit harsh but the guy's already a cheater and has shown a complete disregard for competitive integrity by sharing these "counter-strats bro" with Astralis. Fuck him, ESIC doing the lord's work yet again.
I was thinking the same thing. He cheated once, violated integrity once (potentially for monetary gain), and THEN proceeded to lie about pretty much everything. The guy is proven to have bad character. Fuck 'em. I say make it a life time ban for real.
Also, one of the things the twitter creatures don't realize is that Hunden leaked what they WOULD DO. From demos you only learn what the team HAS DONE and you have no guarantee that they won't change it up. Hunden essentially was fine letting astralis straight up know what would (would, not could) happen in their next brawl.
Anti-strat even has the fucking thing in the name....a strat to counter their strat. It is by definition a strat....
mouth droolers tend not to have the best reading comprehension skills and understanding meaning of words overall though..
"Oh looks HUNDEN's being active on social media, everybody hop in the clown car let's say dumb shit to defend him!" - CS fans on twitter
Richard on the thumbnail: 🤨
If what Hunden says is true it's perjury. If what Hunden says is not true, it's perjury and defamation. Lose/Lose. This guy should be never be in a position to coach or play in a team again. In some universe, he can be some kind of talent scout instead, hopefully not this one. I hope he packs his crap up and retires permanently.
I don't have much love for Valorant, but the penalty should follow the person around in my view.
The dumbest Story in ESport in the last 2 months continues.
It's gonna be a great video!
55:57 perfect comedic delivery on the ray rice reference LOL
I think the 2 years ban is on point since this is not his first offence. Seems like he has to be punished harder to learn.
Also he was lying and tried to manipulate people and the investigation by saying he just shared the antistrats.
He deserves this 2 year ban.
This time no matter how long the ban would have been his career was over anyway.
Ahhh the hunden scumbag arc, next is flusha’s massive weight loss and Chad arc
@@PALbub nothing beats good cs, but the drama is spicy
@Krullet no Chad is like the jock or stud man, the stereotype of an alpha male
@Krullet lol I can dig that
I've always believed in real life and any punishments they should stack and therefore increase as you commit more
Absolutely but for me it's an issue of relativity. If you murder someone, serve your sentence and get caught robbing your employer the robbery shouldn't be punished like it was a murder. It should be punished harder than an ordinary robbery without pre conviction, that's for sure. Fundamentally it remains a robbery though and shouldn't be punished like murder.
@@MuunNii hunden has commuted offences before
I hate to correct Rich here, but he missed a page from the books. Sam goes to the undying lands as well after his wife dies. In fact.. apart from Aragorn (becomes king), Boromir (dead), only Pippin and Merry remain in middle-earth from the fellowship.
Took me a hot minute to realise the Sam you are talking about is Hobbit Sam and not Producer Sam...
@@phinnos1130 They may be the same person..
Cant wait for Hundens appearance on the Richard Lewis show
Love the content Rich, Im all in favour for Hundens 2 year ban given the fact that he is a convicted cheater. It shows a massive flaw in him as a person, and atleast acts as a deterrent to someone that if they do not show the ability to reform through their actions, they are liable to lose their position/livelihood. Being relatively new to counter-strike, I dont know the importance of Hunden to the Danish scene, but from what I have gathered from BTN, it seems a mighty shame that Hunden decided to take this path
I’m not sure how new you are to CS but I’ll give you the very basics of it. Astralis are the greatest team of all time. In the Danish scene the most competition they’ve had recently has been Heroic. Zonic the Astralis coach and Hunden the Heroic coach are widely considered the two best Danish coaches ever in CS and are both up there for the best in the world. A lot of Danish pros have accredited at least some of their success to Hunden and he’s done a lot to advance the game as a whole.
As launders put it “Hunden is like your grandmother that’s a mean cook, but also a massive racist” , it’s almost impossible to discredit what he’s done, but he’s doing his best to ruin his legacy
The part of the title my phone showed me was: „Hunden Banned Again But This Time He Wants To Take Heroi...“
That must be the craziest unintentional clickbait ever
Hmmm...
On 3. sep. 2021, 21:04 TV2Sporten has put up an article where they show a bit of a serverlog, that shows one of the players logging in, and apparently according to Hunden helped him prepare for the bug ;)
thought the title was Hunden Banned Again But This Time He Wants To Take Heroin
thx for this RL
Everyone hear that mic drop at the end? Love you Rich!
good points about the "it's just anti-strats, bro" insane logic
Another hltv article just came out about hunden revealing his evidence and forwarding it to Esic. Let's hope some more cheaters get banned.
Would almost be a slightly redeeming thing if it wasn't for the fact this is months later and obviously just out of spite.
Dr. Wolf, what are you doing here?
Great content!
Richard Varys, got a nice ring to it.
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new richard content
Heroic the team itself knew of him using the bug... theres no world where they didnt knew
It’s basically impossible that no one in the org knew. Like the level of stupidity they would need to not to be able to figure out that he was cheating in some way is insane
Agreed. There’s no way the org and players didn’t know. No way in hell. With so many coaches doing it, it was probably expected of some of the coaches to partake in the cheating. And as the orgs are bigger than the individual coaches they throw them under the bus once they’re caught and make the coaches the villains.
Honestly. I disagree with the fact that 2 years is too much. If anything, it would be too little in my opinion.
I would judge this offense on the same level as the coaching bug. They are different, but I think that in some ways, this was worse, since you're actively going against your own team to benefit another team (and mainly yourself as an individual). This would get out of hand if you don't punish hard enough for that stuff.
So that would put the sentence to one year maybe. But then you should also consider that (in contrast to how he handled the coaching bug) he actively went AGAINST ESIC to undermine their investigation trough public channels. I'm pretty sure that could be considered as making the offense worse.
And let's not forget that he's a repeat offender, showing that he hasn't learned anything from his first ban, because it wasn't long enough. You cannot look at Hunden without looking at the fact that he used the coaching bug. This is already the second time he's challenged the integrity of the games. He SHOULD be getting a worse ban than for just doing something once.
There’s no way the org and players didn’t know. No way in hell. With so many coaches doing it, it was probably expected of some of the coaches to partake in the cheating. And as the orgs are bigger than the individual coaches they throw them under the bus once they’re caught and make the coaches the villains.
Why can't something be a breach of contract AND a breach of integrity? People seem to be generally picking one camp or the other...
Imagine astralis are paying Hunden to build a narrative that Heroic should be banned so that they get through because of placement
I love the fact Huden gets compared to Starscream
what a glorious day in esports.
Implying the anti-strats shared weren’t their’s against astralis.
I'm surprised the ban isn't longer, personally. This is some egregious shit, in my eyes.
Well considering hundens age and track record by now I doubt he will find some new org. Maybe if the org is as corrupt as him..
1:01:20 LMAO is it any wonder why the British CSGO scene is in shambles??
They are underestimating importance of analyst in team and how much theh get paid to do it for them.
With sharing strats, wouldn’t any coach be expected to analyse opposing teams’ strats . If he knew heroics strats is he supposed to forget them or pretend he has no clue if he moves teams? Or is the problem because he leaked them before he left heroic?
Richard Lewis is nail on the head. bubble should pop how on earth are there 27 coaches banned and players not knowing what they did. okay heroic coach gets angry and burns team or team and coach are guilty and sparks will fires, they could lose everything. Big elephant in the room almost like every team should be aware of this can you not a shocker. ESIC COC Article 2 - Offences 2.2.8 , 2.3.3 and a few more. Codes are broken.
Oh lord the hunden leaks coming as I'm half way in this
48:20 i fucked pissed myself
The most important thing isn't taking someone's word. It's evidence. Prove what you have to say. Claims don't mean shit.
What would a potential punishment for the Heroic players be if evidence is shown that they were aware of the coach bug? a few games? A monetary fine?
Did I miss anything about the FBI NA matchfixing story?
Maybe im wrong but all ropz was saying is that, They shouldnt "think" its wrong but it def. was wrong, no thinking needed. Thats how i understood it atleast.
Thank you for sharing your views! I find your video quite informative and more objective than most. However, I think at times you at least appear to be influenced by emotions rather than facts, but you back up most of it with hard facts and your experience in the scene is vast, so won't take any credibility from your arguments and opinions. Thanks again for providing valuable opinions and good facts that provokes reflection.
2nd offence, 2 years seems fine to me.
2yrs in eSports is like 5yrs in the real world, He deserves it and shouldn't be in eSports at all. Imagine not only getting a chance to PLAY but after being a meme a team gave him a coaching opportunity and a second shot in the Pro League.
Soooo, essentially he is out until the game has died completly
Wait, it's all strats?
Always has been.
I dont think Rops is entirely wrong, ESIC should be audited (by a 3rd party if they aren't currently) but not investigated as per his wording.
9:54 Imagine if he wasn't delicate. 😂
''It's just anti-strats bro'' xD
On anti-strats, I used to play for London Leopards u16s, I once was chatting with a close friend from another team and told him how to beat the team they were playing the following week, based upon work I had done with our coach.
My coach overheard and told me if I gave away our work again I'd be benched.
Big Mt. Gox vibes, fucker looks like him too 💀
o shiii
It is interesting how many of us who follow you don't even watch CS or eSports due to time / interest, etc but we still tune for you to tell us "It's a fucking shitshow".
Maybe he watched captain subaza when they played Vs the school team that used antistrata a computer made. And then subaza changed up. Goal keeper goes in front. Subaza in defense and everything fell apart. So Hunden and others logic is. Let the awp be entry and the other team will be like : " ok we don't know what to do lets loose" . To the kids that don't get it. Sorry that's a boomer kids TV show.
algo
I need that shirt
In all honesty if you ask me with all that’s coming out 2 years sounds a little kind to me. The amount of crap he’s done on he’s way out the amount of information he’s shared alone side who and why he shared it. He deserves 3 years as Richard said if he wants really badly he could go to valorant not that I want that cheating piece of ass in the game I’m passionate about but it’s crazy to me how so much of the community defends him after day by day the amount of shit that keeps coming out and the way he tries to subvert the communities belief and understanding of the situation.
It's just anti-strats bruv!
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Hunden - The Rat Emperor
Hunden should serve jail time
I'm not defending Hunden, but to me it seems pretty stupid/naive/ridiculous to store your whole stratbook only in one place, in this case Google Drive. If I understood right Heroic saying Hunden had blocked their access to the strats.
So... trade secret theft charge incoming?
I doubt very much it would squeeze through the legal definition of being a trade secret, so highly unlikely. Much more likely is standard contract stuff.
imagine being so privileged to make a living in esports and fucking it up
Incredible
The excuses about the anti-strats honestly had me in tears for at least 10 minutes. 'Anti-strats are less important!'
*HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA*
Sean Peyton paid his players to intentionally injure opposing players and only got one year in the NFL. Is that worse? I don’t know. I’m not taking a stance on either side I’m just sharing something interesting.
It pains me that Richard has to repeatedly explain why something anti-competitive is in fact anti-competitive. This is not rocket surgery. The meme bullshit responses on twitter are why I don't have that shit installed on my phone. But yes, twitter geniuses, it's completely useless knowing exactly how a team thinks, from their perspective, in their words.
I used to respect hunden very much... Wtf...
2 years might be harsh but Hunden is a repeat offender and if he gets off lightly then I wouldn’t be surprised if he cheats again
To be frank, Hunden is a repeat offender and deserves the 2 year ban.
Could you please unblock me on twitter? Never did any harmful towards you
"esports baby" ahaha
Too bad he didn't say misogynistic shit, I'll be banned forever.
He is a repeat offender, so therefore his sentence should be longer. Im not opposed to 2 years personally
his career is over.He couls have been banned for 1 month only, it would have been the same thing.Nobody will take him again.