Jack Reacts | Ex-Mormon Girls Camp Podcast
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In this episode Jackson reacts to an episode of the @Girlscamppodcast a growing Ex-mormon podcast produced by Hayley Rawle.
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I'm a convert and my family and friends cut me off entirely because I joined the church. This isn't a church issue this is a people issue.
Exactly.
I would also add that to my knowledge the overwhelming example we are taught is to reach out to people and to love them.
See Lehi, Alma the Elder and others as examples.
But yeah, shunning a person is a human thing. It’s natural. And something we should learn to not do.
Absolutely correct! I am a convert in the NorthEast, so I understand I have a blind spot to the experiences of past generations or those in other regions that might have a more robust church population, but from the examples I have seen in my ward and stake (my wife’s family included), I have not seen any our the members disown or cut off their friends and family who have left the church, but I have seen some examples of the opposite. I have seen children who have left the church forbid their parents from seeing their grandchildren. Some of the loveliest and humblest people I have met, unable to visit with their grandchildren, solely on the basis of their faith. Even though they accept that their child has walked a different path and respect their child’s decision to raise their children the way they want. I have seen wonderful people ridiculed or abandoned by friends and family who have walked away. Again, not saying members of the church dont or wouldnt do this, but I’m echoing that it is not a behavior taught in the gospel, and it’s rather opposed to what we are taught all together.
@jakeconnell6417 that makes sense about it also being regional. I'm a convert in Arkansas, which is the Bible belt. I lived in Utah briefly, I liked it. However, one thing I will say is that the difference between Utah and other high lds places and the Bible belt is only if they read the BoM or not.
You see, my experience in both places is that they are both full of good people strong in their faiths but both peoples are afraid to mingle with one another because of unearthly consequences. The truth is that Jesus gave 2 commandments and neither can be achieved if we do not first accept when someone finds faith their own way. Whether they're right or wrong, we shouldn't choose to be wrong by no longer loving our neighbor because they found faith another way.
@neodigremo strangely enough, the lady first claims that her beef with the church is the teaching that the natural man is an enemy of God.
The second beef that she has is that natural man is an enemy of God by natural man using feelings to make decisions to push others away simply over disagreements or personal faith crisis.
When I left the church in my mid teens I had similar feelings to this, but it was just simply not true.
My family stood by me through all my mistakes, my destructive behaviour and addictions. Never pressuring me to return, but there whenever I needed and the only thing offered from my Dad was a blessing when I was really struggling.
Which for some reason I always took him up on.
If it wasn't for them following Christ's example I wouldn't be alive today. And now after almost 3 decades not active, I am back at church with all my children and my husband all baptised and have never had more joy in my life. I love the Temple and have never felt more peace in my life from attending.
It breaks my heart to some people's experiences, but shunning is not the Saviour's way.
Love to hear this!
wow, so awesome.
amazing example and experience!!
Your comment made me cry. I'm so happy for you. And hopeful for others who leave.
I got teary eyes reading this.. Thank you
Romans 8:5-7 is another good Bible verse. The natural man is not just a "Mormon" thing.
Great scripture. Thank you!!
Like the Ward Radio women said: these women often say "the church" when they mean 'their dad'.
“Sex is bad” is largely a strawman argument, it’s all about doing it righteously and not indulging in immensely destructive hedonism
Yeah. Absolutely no one in the Church taught me that "sex is bad." Hoes mad.
Facts! Bridle our passions... not suppress our passions lol
I think the Church teaches that sex is great, within marriage.
Ben Shapiro, a practicing Jew, talks about this topic all the time.
He says his kids are naturally selfish and how they need to be taught to be good and think of others.
Jordan Peterson too. He uses a different vocabulary but same thing.
This is just so sad to me.
These people are kicking so hard against the pricks.
But like who actually is kicking so hard against the pricks...?? Hopefully you have enough intellectual integrity to introspect and be honest, watch the actual video this TEENAGER (wait is he 24 idk he's acting like he has the intelligence level of a 17 year old) is off the cuff responding too without any real thought!!!!!!!!. (spoiler alert, real people are honest and real and you are not in some unique bubble where only you and your "guidance" know the truth...how convenient for them....this is a common tactic of cults...pay attention and be true to reality!!
@@jacobdevitry1570 Thank you for your eloquent clarity on this. I could not agree more.
Fools mock but they shall mourn.
@@zissler1 Ah yes how Misa mocked people for "kicking against the pricks" when its just standing up for basic human decency, Misa will mourn, good call my dude. Your fear mongering only works for those who haven't had enough opportunity to grow beyond your cultish tactics. I encourage you to read and learn and grow from other perspectives than your own. Hopefully that's not too terrifying and forbidden for you!
@@jacobdevitry1570 It's not fear mongering. If you against truths eventually the time will come when things don't work out. You will see, one day.
Nobody teaches it's evil. They know it too. Overcoming the natural man is the most important process to undertake in this life.
My son left the church seceral years ago. We still kept a good relationship until three years ago. He started wanting me to read and watch anti stuff. He started knocking down the church, people I love. He was so upset I wouldn't go his way that he cut off all relationships. I still text him about one a month, letting him know anything new or interesting in the family. I send a birthday gift each year on his birthday On Christmas. I send a box w.ith presents for him and his best friend. His friend is not close to his family and doesn't hear from them at Christmas or anytime. I make the Christmas treats we made when the kids were little and growing up. I never get any acknowledgment, thank you, or comment back on my text. I will keep it up so he knows we love him. .
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So sorry you are going through this with a beloved son. My daughter also left the church, and I do the best I can to keep in touch with her and let her know I love her. I pray for your family and for mine. 💚
I'm so sorry. There will come a day when you will see the results of your continual love.
One of my favorite parts of America the Beautiful song: “confirm thy soul in self control, thy liberty in law.”
God loves us. We believe we are his children. He knows we are happy and at peace when we find balance in bridling our passions.
I understand that many of these perspectives come from those who have been dealing with shame and guilt. I know that Christ takes our shame and guilty and teaches paths that have the best eternal consequence. I THANK GOD that I was taught to control myself and be disciplined. My marriage is thriving because of our foundation on Christ's teachings! God is good. God forgives. God loves you!
Please keep up on responding to these ex Mormons.
tbh, I don't think sex ever even came to mind when reading those scriptures about the natural man. If you had asked me if sexual sin fell under that category I would've said yes, but usually what sprung to mind was just pride and dishonesty and a tendency to be nasty to other people.
Often its things that are even more benign than those things that trip us all up. a generous helping of humility is needed for all of us.
Many have joined the church and been cut off from their families, too. it is all about love whether we are coming or going. And thats not a Mormon thing, thats a people thing.
The teachings of the church on sex don't say it's bad. It just says it's reserved for certain time and place and person. Such as after marriage and only with the person you're married to.
Fidelity in marriage? oh the horror. There is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth at a traditional family from secular Marxist harpies
My son is gay. He’s no longer a Mormon because of church policies. I still love him no matter what.
Romans Chapter 1
@AnnieWinter148 Absolutely! You should love him and we should all love him and show kindness and acceptance and not ever give him this chapter to read unless the Holy Ghost directs you to😂 although I'm sure this person meant well. If the fruit of the Tree of Life is the love of God, then it only makes sense that we draw near to it because we want to be better to that feeling. We recognize love because He loves us first❤️ May the Lord be with you to help you and your son feel happiness and strengthen your relationship!!
These types of videos are just reasons to chase after temporary happiness. This type of happiness is temporary because once the dopamine rush wears off, you don’t feel that reward. Once I returned to church, rebaptized on April 20th, 2024, I experienced true joy… lasting joy… and my marriage has never been better.
Welcome back brother!
I guess I had good examples growing up because my extended family accepted everyone regardless of their church membership and attendance. My grandma led the way and was such a good example. What really frustrates me is when those same people who have left the church, that we continued to love and accept, proceed to trash on those who have stayed. Who speak rude and hateful things to your face, when you would never do anything like that back to them. And they continue to do it repeatedly so it really makes you not want to hang out as much, even though you actually still really want to be around them just without the hate, and you just want to continue to be family. And that's what Jesus wants is for us to love others. Sometimes they make it hard but we keep on trying.
The cutting off someone who leaves your belief system is super common and not just something that ExMos have to deal with. My wife’s father was very mad when she joined the church, thankfully he came around, but it took time. I’ve lost close friends and family by simply becoming Christian, not even specifically that I became LDS.
I am glad that you mentioned it because many ExMos don’t just leave the church, they leave and then they start bashing it. That will definitely cause a rift.
What in the world. Is up with these people. They don't understand it is a matter of control
This is a quote from Neil A Maxwell's April 1999 talk - quoting Joseph Smith: In one degree or another we all struggle with selfishness. Since it is so common, why worry about selfishness anyway? Because selfishness is really self-destruction in slow motion. No wonder the Prophet Joseph Smith urged, “Let every selfish feeling be not only buried, but annihilated”
Everyone should read this talk - this quote keeps going.. it's awesome!!
Jackson, I’m a new convert & going to be in Utah in a couple weeks to take my son to BYU football camp. I’d really like to go to the temple with you guys that Tuesday morning in Draper. It’ll be my second time ever in the temple and I’m excited about it.
No natural process is evil, it's only the misuse of something that can have negative consequences. Why it's important to understand what has a positive effect and a negative effect on our environment is because we're all connected... and one action can ripple outwards.
So short story about me… my mother was a convert to the church. I got baptized into it when I was very young and didn’t fully understand the commitment so I was making so of course. Eventually I began screwing up and making mistakes. It did not help that my father despised the church with a passion. by the time I was a young man and was totally giving into the natural man, I made some serious mistakes and ended up losing my place in the church. The worst part was, I was madly in love with a woman who I really wanted to marry. Because we made some poor choices, and did not do what we should have done and wait until we were married, I ended up losing her. She left the church, and I ended up being disciplined and got the boot. It was a very painful chapter in my life. I spent the next 25 years drifting. Did a tour in the military. Traveled around. Tried it all kinds of different spiritual practices and beliefs and churches, but never truly found anything that felt deep enough to immerse my heart. Eventually, after a lot of prayers from my wonderful mother and my sister, who was joined to her eternal companion in the temple… I guess the prayers paid off, and I made my way back to the church. I never felt the anger and bitterness against the church as some of the people I see on the Internet. It’s incredible. I’ve never seen a group of people, so dedicated to attacking and tearing something down as I do the people who are post LDS. As if they have nothing else better to do in their lives. To me that is just sour grapes. People are angry because they have been hurt somehow and they want to hurt someone back. I totally get it. One of the reasons why I stayed away from the church was because of some of the people who were members that were very self-righteous, or they would hang out in social groups or clicks. It just didn’t seem very Christlike to me, and I couldn’t find myself believing in a church where the people conducted themselves in that way. Thankfully, changes have been made over the years as to how the members do things and conduct themselves. Some will still do whatever they want to do but that is on them. They were also big changes made in my own heart and mind, and I am wiser now than I was 30 years ago. I’m slowly, but surely walking away from the thorny path back onto the covenant path little by little. With help from people around me who care. There are so many hidden treasures within the gospel of Jesus Christ that he has opened my eyes and my heart to, that I don’t think I could ever go back to being a totally natural man again. I still have my struggles daily and weekly believe me. Being a recovered addict means that you are never truly recovered. It’s always a fight. So, my message to all the people who are throwing away the gospel, and all of its beauty, with both hands is this… until you have stood in the darkness as long as I have, you can never truly appreciate the light that you had. I suppose whatever will be will be. Parable of the tin versions says only half the members of the church will be ready. That means at least half. The people in the church aren’t truly dedicated to the gospel. They bear the name of the church, but they don’t bear the name of Christ on their heart. Just my opinion.
All I can say is thank you, Jack! Keep speaking the truth.
My kids disowned me because I refuse to leave the church. They insist that im a brainwashed cult member. They resent that I pay tithing to the cult but are perfectly happy with the food and money the church gave them growing up
Elder Maxwell: "individuals who lecture the rest of us about Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves, of course, they leave the Church, but they cannot leave the Church alone"
All these folks who claim that “shunning“ happens in the LDS church and is one of our teachings are absolutely full of it. Just because someone expresses disappointment because their loved one has turned their back on everything that they’ve been taught, Doesn’t mean that they’re being kicked out of the family. The story quoted here was merely this girls fear/claim. nothing had even happened to her. It is very naïve and quite frankly selfish to think that you’re gonna shake things up and everyone else is supposed to just smile about it. There’s naturally got to be some time for grieving and adaptation. But yes, the relationship will change in some significant ways. That’s not your parents doing. You did that. it doesn’t mean anyone is less loved. So tired of cry bullies.
Exactly. Total strawman argument here. Not to say that this has never happened. It just hasn't happened in the quoted example.
There are simultaneous complaints that the church "harasses" them with letters & invitations to activities.
@@CrankyScientist
Yes, it’s like they want to attribute ill motive to everyone but themselves.
Obviously there are times that people do that, but considering shunning isn't part of the doctrine, it's a people issue
Why don't we see ex Baptist or ex Lutheran or ex Methodist podcasts? Even ex Catholic, ex Jehovah witness, and ex Muslim podcasts are less common.
It is interesting to see that. I mean, people make a whole career out of being ex-Mormon because of how lucrative it can be. It's not nearly as prevalent in other religions or denominations of Christianity. Really makes you think... I've always played around with the idea that there's probably so much anti because the LDS church must be the most right 😅 Satan wouldn't work that hard if it wasn't true. It doesn't work that way, but the thought pops up from time to time.
Alma 24:30 And thus we can plainly discern, that after a people have been once enlightened by the Spirit of God, and have had great knowledge of things pertaining to righteousness, and then have fallen away into sin and transgression, they become more hardened, and thus their state becomes worse than though they had never known these things.
Alma 47:36 Now these dissenters, having the same instruction and the same information of the Nephites, yea, having been instructed in the same knowledge of the Lord, nevertheless, it is strange to relate, not long after their dissensions they became more hardened and impenitent, and more wild, wicked and ferocious than the Lamanites--drinking in with the traditions of the Lamanites; giving way to indolence, and all manner of lasciviousness; yea,
entirely forgetting the Lord their God.
Because if a Baptist or Lutheran leaves their church and goes to a different church, their relationship with Christ still remains intact. If you leave Mormonism, your relationship with Christ is tied directly to the church.
@@Trevor_BL but a majority who leave, don't join another faith. Most of these leave faith altogether.
They're out there. It's just not on YOUR algorithm because you have different beliefs.
I agree completely that we as members of the LDS church should love and respect others no matter their beliefs, especially family member. It is a two-way street where, as you say, we need to set boundaries that neither side will cross. It can be hard sometimes, especially during holidays such as Christmas, when they may not want to participate in certain religious traditions anymore. But you can make it work if you are willing to compromise and respect each other. So many people are not willing to compromise at all.
This is by far one of the best episodes I’ve ever seen from you guys. Thanks for putting it up!
Podcasts like Girls Camp i believe know they are misrepresenting the facts of the teachings of the gospel. It comes down to the same tactics used against the Savior and Laman to his children to be angry and hate the Nephites... Bear false witness. The twisting of our beliefs is strong with them. I truly feel bad for people who do this... the wake up call will be a difficult experience.
Hi Jackson, great to see you again. Where have you been, bro? Anyway, so many "ex-mormon" videos are chocking my CZcams feed.
There is an Allison Grenfell (?), who is an ex-member, that is revealing everything that is SACRED, not secret, in our temple worship, including the wording of the ordinances, the clothing, and the requirements of the temple (that excluded some of her family from attending her wedding) and not being able to wear the wedding dress of her choice. Not to mention all the ex-church haters that support her and who are of a likeminded attitude.
Just so you know, I had no such trouble wearing the wedding dress of my choosing, for my sealing, that I bought from a well known, non-church, bridal boutique, and wore for my wedding the year before I joined the church. It was of the same standard as a temple dress, without the train. Makes me wonder what kind of dress it was that it did not meet temple standards. I think it was a question of sleeve length. I have seen faux arm sleeves made for such dresses for the temple ceremony that could be removed outside the temple to reveal the short sleeves. No problem. I think the other problem was that her sister of Young Womens age, a member, was not allowed to attend the temple ceremony, not to mention the non-member family and friends that could not attended the temple ceremony.
NewNameNoah, is a wolf is sheep's clothing that takes videos of all temple ordinances that he participates in, in various temples, even in the Celestial rooms, and uploads these videos to his channel.
So many ex-members with gripes about the church that seem to stem from their own understanding, or misunderstandings, about Christ's Gospel. These people are resentful and hateful. It makes me upset that they can throw it all away because they lack knowledge and understanding, coupled with the ignorance and pride of their natural being. We ALL have to stand accountable for our words, thoughts and deeds, our sins, but I would seriously hate to be in their shoes come judgement day. 😔❤️🙏🇦🇺
All five of my children are non - active, and two of my husband’s three are non- active. We still have a great relationship with all of our children. Yet we pray for them, and regularly put their names in the temple. Their father, and their mother do too. We’re all good friends.
To the woman that is afraid of losing the relationship with her mother. My daughter left the church and then left our family. I'm not allowed to go to her house. She blocked us from her social media. I have asked for her forgiveness for over a year. I cannot believe her mother would abandon her. I so miss my daughter and long to hug her. I yearn to hear her voice. Yes it hurts when a child leaves the church but love doesn't leave. My other daughter left the church and all is well with her and she knows I love her.
And just so you know the most animal thing people do is eat! I still struggle with fasting and would be around 300 pounds if I gave into the urge to eat!!!
Animal thing a person can do is eat!!! I still struggle with fasting and would be around 300 pds if I ate all I want to!
Just starting this and excited to hear you try to refute the claims made in GC episode.
So much great advice in this video. I especially liked the part where you said that if someone ridicules us for our beliefs that a proper response would be to tell them you accept their decision to not follow the same path you are on but by the same token they should respect the fact that you have chosen to continue to follow the this path
Thanks for the vid❤🎉
I would say, in my experiences, it is not the active member that pulls away and divides the relationship, but that the abuse and constant hateful thread of communications that come from the person leaving, that forces the divide!
I’ve been having withdrawals without having Jack on the channel
Guess Paul was a Mormon:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Romans 7
Glad to see you back. Keep up the good work… this is so hard to watch, unfortunately I think it’s just the beginning. We need to counteract it with good CZcams/ podcasts like yours! The more the better!
Jack, welcome back! Well--spoken. We missed you in Ohio in April 2024 for the eclipse and Book of Mormon Land Tour.
This channel ROCKS!!
Live the videos guys! Where do you get the awesome shirts at??
We are looking forward to your next video.
Newer to this channel. I just wanted to say that it is refreshing to see a Christlike reaction to an "anti" video. finding common ground but also clarifying or correcting ideas and statements that aren't true to doctrine. I think it's important to acknowledge the unique struggles individuals might have experienced in the church which lead them to want to leave (I do believe those experiences and emotions are real in most cases). I can think back to many things my parents have said or taught that wasn't quite aligned with the true doctrine of Christ (well intentioned as it was) that I am still in some ways unlearning or re-learning. In a world full of very imperfect, but mostly well-meaning people, I feel like it is so so so important to personally develop a deep understanding of and relationship with God and Jesus Christ. They are the source of pure and undefiled truth, and ONLY through them can our wounds be fully healed.
Well said Jack. Great video.
My son left the church. But myself and my wife have never treated him differently. We are always there for him even when he’s made poor choices. It doesn’t mean we agree with his choices, but we won’t stop loving him and helping him whenever we can, within our ability. Everyone should do the same. That is what Jesus taught.
Well said! Thank you.
The natural man, outside of the common understanding of such within the church -- associating the state of being as being one that is sinful -- is one who does not improve himself beyond anything more than what a common animal would live for. That being, among few other things: eating, sleeping, mating, and defending.
I appreciate your sharing her message.
Your take on this and testimony are beautiful and rational, thank you for sharing. You are clearly genuine in your faith which brings to mind my own very similar belief My testimony transformed similarly narrowing down to Jesus and Grace although it can take awhile to recognize that you no longer fit the faith you claim.
My once LDS wife made a mistake in high school resulting in an out of wedlock child. She was shunned by her LDS friends and treated like scum. Only her non LDS friends stayed by her side. She left the LDS faith after that and never looked back. That was 40 years ago. I’ve never been LDS but was horrified by that level of severe toxic judgement based on a single act.
Were her friends adults or other high school kids?
@@ignaciodelgado889 it was both. Small town. Her parents sided with their daughter and encouraged her to have her son and not give him up for adoption which was the church’s recommendation. She’s maintained life long friendships with those that supported her. She never wants to be associated with any religion ever again.
Kids don’t know how respond well - they’re kids!!!
Thats the thing now, you do you, discover your true authentic self, etc. in the frame of bettering yourself which I throw in with this topic of the natural man
Amen, good brother!!!
This video was excellent, and I would be more than happy to discuss some of these ideas as an academic researcher if you're interested.
Email us!!
Something I heard on ward radio, so much of this “the church teaches” or “the church taught Me” is ACTUALLY “my dad”
I feel bad if they were taught that sex is bad. But it’s not what the church teaches. I hate when people impose their “understanding” of what the church teaches on what the church actually teaches
If we were all to give in to the natural man we would be sleeping around with everyone, eating whatever we wanted, never exercising, doing drugs, stealing and taking what we want, hurting other people, tc., etc., etc!
The doctrine isn't to suppress our passion, but bridle our passions!
I believe there are those in the church who shun their kids or other family members who leave the church, but ive found in my 60 years of life that most of those have a very shallow understanding of the gospel. I was raised in an inactive family but i got a testimony and have been active but our two oldest kids have left the church and its they who have cut off communication with us despite our assurance of love and understanding. We've even seen their posts on social media where they declared that we shut them out of our lives so they can be the victim and be accepted by their new friends. Yes parents have done this to their children but im willing to bet that the opposite is the norm especially in our society now where its a badge of honor to be a bictim
My daughter made decisions at 12 years old I didn't want for her. She had friends who told her we would hate, shun , and kick her out of the house. These individuals claimed they were telling her this because they cared for her, but they removed the only source of support she'd ever known. She rejected us and put us at arms length for the next two years while he struggled with ideas of suicide and immersed herself in other ideas. Through all of this we continually repeated that we didn't need to agree on things to love one another. It was only after a suicide attempt and calling police where I came to meet her that she finally realized we love her. Its been another two years, and she hasn't returned to the gospel, but our relationship has been much better. She still struggles with things but she knows we are here for her.
These type of claims cause more hurt and serious consequences than the reality. We don't have to unconditionally accept and agree on all ideas to perpetuate our love within our families. There can be a lot of fear on both sides of these issues, but we can find our way to the other side. No one can demand perfection from either perspective, but only working things out while maintaining love.
It’s very funny for me to hear all of these “problems” LDS people have sometimes. If you don’t grow up in Utah or are a convert, this talk all sounds silly. Seems like an Utah culture thing (sorry Utah). Anyway, stay strong everyone, the adversary is working harder than ever.
I hear this a lot too. Having spent most of my life in Utah I believe that this does happen from time to time (members are people and are certainly not perfect), but the majority of what I have witnessed is that people who make mistakes are not shunned, not pushed away, not rejected. They are still loved and treated as children of God who have made mistakes just like the rest of us. Unfortunately, those few cases of negative reactions echo louder than the positive ones. And it is certainly a favorite tactic among enemies of the church to claim that this is common practice, even something that is taught or encouraged. More often what I have seen is that the person has adopted a lifestyle that is in direct conflict with the Gospel and they are mad at the church for not allowing them to be in good standing, hold a temple recommend, callings, etc. They will then claim they have been shunned and go on social media against the church.
GALATIANS 5:24-25 “And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit”.
Her long draw with upward inflection ending each sentence with the sound of a question, is INFURIATING.
Antis aren’t just anti church, they’re usually anti Christian and anti religion in general. There’s no reputable religion that endorses sex at will. There’s no real religion that teaches that all your animal instincts are good or should be acted upon.
It's so sad to hear that anyone would cut off a family member for leaving their faith. That has not been my experience with family or friends. I respect all my family and friends to choose what they want out of life. I have seen my lds friends bend over backwards to respect the choices of others without the same respect in return, many are seriously judged and verbally slain in the public square of social media and keep silent about it. Its really sad. WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT.
Keep it up!! Your content is so critical to overcoming the negative. I don't even see critical content in my feeds anymore after regularly blocking it and watch pro-lds content.
The critique of Mosiah 3:19 is laughable. What human can't recognize their natural tendencies are self-destructive?? I actually believe the second criticism is also subtly deceptive. Most sincere LDS families continue to love and support family members that leave the church - but acting like it isn't a challenging situation for all parties to navigate isn't sincere.
I believe sex without marriage and out of marriage is evil. If you can't control yourself, it is addiction. There is time and a place for all things.
But it's she mixing up feelings of sadness knowing that some of their choices are going to lead them down a horrendous path.
My experience working with and responding to anti-Saints is that they'll fine ANYTHING they can to gripe about Christ's teachings, and the church. I call out their religious bigotry, when they attack the church, its leaders and/or members, as we're all free to disagree with other's beliefs, but shouldn't attack them or lie about them, which creates hatred, vilification and demonization of people, which leads to excommunication orders and Holocausts. We should ALWAYS call out and report illegal acts and practices. I don't believe in the philosophy of Islam, but I'll leave it at that, I don't believe in it but do love Muslims, and people of all beliefs.
Regarding the video about leaving the Church, I agree as well. It shouldn't be shunning or ridicule. If they're apostates, if they feel they don't belong, if they're faking it, it's right that everyone should know and they should leave. However family should still love them and try to bring them back (with love and good example). Anf if for it all, they refuse, still love them. The biggest gift the Lord blessed us with was choice, it's their choice.
I will say however, for me, anybody that left or moved away from the belief, the relationship was broken. I was good to them, kind, etc. But I feel they have denied that which is best and most important to me and I cannot have a strong relationship with anyone who does not love the Lord more than they love me. And I take that in any and every relationship I have or will ever have. I can be good and kind, I will love them, but it will never be the same.
Shame is good. It's called godly sorrow. It starts the engine, but it isn't the fuel long term.
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Hey and thank you guys for all you do. I’m a 17 year old about to serve my mission later this year, and it’s people like you guys that help to share the light of Christ in such a dark and confused world. Thanks for the courage you guys take to do this. It means more than you know.
If a family member or friend cuts all ties with someone, did they really love them to begin with? Or was it a relationship or convenience? Most definitely the person that does the cutting is putting something else above that relationship, whether it is fear, or pride
Bravo
In my youth and as a young adult I can directly relate to those feelings of having to pretend to be someone I wasn't. But I came to find out that I wasn't ready to become the person that my family wanted me to be because the world was far more enticing and I wanted a "normal" life. I had a "home" me and a "school" me and when I became an adult I fully rebelled to the point where I hopped on a Greyhound bus and moved 2000 miles to live with my online fiance. I did everything I wanted to do that was against the "rules". Did any of it truly make me happy? Sometimes, but I was a child in the world of adults and I realized that the person I was didn't come from what I enjoyed or covered up with a false sense of fun. I couldn't understand why I was only friends with the guys at church and why the guys I had no interest in or I could see going nowhere because of their own decisions wanted to date me. It only came much later in my life when I finally listened to what my mother had told me years ago, you marry the person you are, you marry those who are on your level. Whether it's education, lifestyle, or knowledge, you marry the person who meets you at your current level. I married a bum the first time around because I was a bum. The next time, I had gotten my life, spirit, and journey back on course and I married someone who complimented me and provided that level of spiritual and intellectual bonding.
I strongly suggest everyone read " And They Were Not Ashamed". This book addressed the sexual issue that most everyone gets stuck on. Procreation and bonding physically with our spouses is not bad, but Satan has decided to corrupt all things and if he can corrupt our physical bodies to where we deaden ourselves to the true purpose of it then it becomes a sin.
You are spot on that we can do anything, but we need to learn to control ourselves. The one lesson the Lord has taught me over my whole life is to be patient. Patience sucks but I try to find things to do to keep me from dwelling on the waiting.
Thanks for reading my book of a comment if you did. Have a lovely day!
It is ironic that the sex shame they are rebelling against is actually a function of the natural man. The adversary entices shame into our minds for sexual desires. The Spirit entices us to see the beauty and gift of waiting for the proper time. So their very response is demonstrative of a natural man response. People do feel a sense of release when they let go of the shame around sex, but that isn't because indulgence at all levels is acceptable. It is because shame around sex is a destructive natural man response
God is completely holy beyond anything we can comprehend. Viewing the natural man as an enemy of God helps us to reverence that holiness and desire to love Him through purity.
Mosiah 3:19 is top 5 in best verses in the book of mormon. one of the only verses I have memorized.
The best way to stop Walker from pushing Lainey is to give Lainey extra attention when he does it and completely ignore him. When he realizes his actions create the opposite of his desires he will stop.
I disagree. What is really needed is for Walker to be taught to love his sister. This can be done by mommy and daddy loving them both at the same time, and showing Walker that they love them both exactly the same. Then help him give her a big hug, and say he’s sorry for pushing her. Ignoring him more will only cause him to feel more unloved, frustrated, confused, and more angry at his baby sister.
@@shireecox122 this technique has been shown to be the most effective by child psychologist. You are correct that walker needs to be taught to love his sister and feel loved. That should be done at other times an as often as possible.
Can you also do a reaction video about the south park talking about the church
I agree with your statements except nothing was mentioned about how sex is sensual. Even in a committed marriage , sex is very sensual. I have wondered this myself, how am I not following the natural man during sex, especially if my goal for this sexual encounter with my husband is an orgasm. I know this is a little much to talk about on a podcast like this and keep an upright composure. But sex with our spouse does require the natural man. Thoughts?
Thanks for making this video
James 1:12-15
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death
I think she is correct that church culture really pushes that virtue = worth. Sex therapists who are faithful mention this problem all the time and it's mostly for women who feel this way. I don't see why she says it's the most damaging thing we teach. There's much more to life than sex. So what she said may not be explicitly taught but it's certainly believed by women.
I have 6 children and 18 grandchildren. Of those 6, only 2 are active and in the Church. Have my husband and I disowned the other 4? NO! We love our kids, and they love us. They know our views and faith and respect that, just as we respect them. Last Christmas, we spent with our daughter and her family where we went to Mass, worshipped with them, and had a wonderful time. Our grandsons were in the Nativity, and our granddaughter was in the choir. If we had refused to go, we would have missed an awesome program. I would rather be with my family than stand on some false moral high ground. They know I love Jesus and believe that I do because I am trying to be like Him. Do I wish all my children embraced the Gospel? Yes. Do they know that? Yes. But withholding my love from them seems counterproductive. I have faith that one day all things will be set right and my family will be in tact when that happens. It will be a great day. Until then, I'll support my kids and grandkids in their righteous endeavors even if they're not what I wished.
Perhaps the 4 that left are right? If you really want to understand them, you need to have the courage to consider that.
It would give me pause if 60% of my kids (I have 6 as well), started doing something that so fully was in opposition to what I believed in.
Just sayin'...
@rodneyjamesmcguire my belief in the Gospel of Jesus Christ is very important to me, just as my kids' belief in something else is important to them. I don't base my belief on anyone but the Savior. I'm a convert, I searched many different faiths and the one I chose is closest to my heart. I don't fault anyone for their beliefs and hope people will do the same for me.
@@kimberlyolsen9416 Very glad to hear that. Take care.
1. External locus of control - notice the passive voice she and many women adopt. They think of themselves as things being acted upon. It’s never “I learned…” it’s “we are taught…” This creates spiritual blindness because we are in fact commanded to act, not be acted upon. It’s refusing responsibility and accountability to oneself.
2. Avoiding shame points to therapy culture which denies the usefulness of pain in stirring one to repentance and a closer relationship with God. The psychoanalysts of the past better understood that suffering avoided is merely suffering prolonged and multiplied. Lean into it and be healed by Christ.
3. Divine potential vs. divine nature - women tend to struggle with establishing an individual identity, opting for their identity to be solely in relation to others. When it all becomes too much and the work of figuring out who you really are begins, women tend to focus on their nature more than their potential. Focusing on “Who am I?” More than “Who can I become?” tends to perpetuate poor mental health because we aren’t here to only figure out who we are. We’re here to become ourselves.
I've never been taught sex is evil. It's special and reserved for a time and place. The longer you've been off the old boat Sion the crazier your views get. She's a good example.
When I went in to get my first temple recommend, my stake president told me if he had known sex was so great he would have gotten married sooner. 😅 I think my face turned 3 shades of red..
5:58 Aleister Crowley taught, "Do what thou wilt shall be tho whole of the law." This is the same hedonist doctrine girlscamppodcast is teaching in their video.
Hey Brother, I absolutely love that I found this channel, I wanted to share a talk that Brigham Young gave about the natural man, I really like his take on it, journals of discourses, volume 9 pages 305-308. Let me know what you think.
Why is that considered toxic? Why is it wrong to want to be chaste and spiritually pure??
1 Corinthians 2:10-14(-16) says that the natural man is the antithesis of the Spirit of God, so she's not just rebelling against LDS doctrine, she's rejecting basic, fundamental doctrines from all Christian faiths.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, for they are spiritually discerned."
I’d like to also see not only fill this channels comment section with reply, but please go to the actually video and drop them there too! Flood that comment section with these same replies.
My goodness… it really bothers me when people say things like this it truly shows they are ignorant on any true depth of understanding!
Her notion is false in every way… they only thing I would say is yes… there are probably families in a rural Utah town that have weird ways of avoiding the subject or teaching their children incorrectly but that isn’t the church it’s not even the culture at large.
It’s the parents fault first and if they are going to leave the responsibility of it to the church and how it can be culturally taught sometimes, that’s on them.
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Matthew 10:34-36
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."
Thank you for selling merch. Definitely not priest craft.
Could you please define priestcraft for me.
Sorry, what was that thing Paul said in the New Testament about how "the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them for their spiritually discerned"? It's things like this when people say "I don't believe the church is true anymore" but really they don't seem to know the scriptures well enough for that to be called a credible or intelligent decision in the first place.
Exactly. These philosophies go against all scripture, not just LDS scripture. The sad thing is there are many who just don't know and are being influenced by these false teachings because it appeals to their natural desires. "Wickedness never was happiness" - Alma 41:10. Bridle your passions, bear your cross, etc. These teachings are true and the wise will seek to follow them. The foolish will seek to satisfy every carnal desire and will end up in misery. The world is trending in this direction. Sad to see it happening and to see so many false prophets preaching it. Even more sad to see young people duped into believing these things who otherwise may not have.
Do these people realize "natural sex" passes around STDs, while sex within a marriage is the most safe for both partners and children.
She lost all credibility when said that we are “animals”. And if we were animals, then she is right. She doesn’t understand identity as children of God.
Her push for sex sounds like a page from Korihor’s playbook.
Neither fornicators nor adulterers shall inherit the kingdom of God, 1 Cor. 6:9-10.
She’s missing so much more about the natural man. Prejudice is part of the natural man. Attacking people for their beliefs is part of the natural man. Thinking you are better than everyone else is part of the natural man. So is she advocating we should just be allowed to harm other people because of our fear of them?
As soon as I hear the word 'toxic' I turn off to the message. It's become commonplace to cut family off for having differing ideas and the younger generations are viciously estranging loved ones then justifying their actions by calling them 'toxic'. Lehi and Sariah would have been considered 'toxic' parents by today's standards.
If you wonder if the natural man is really an enemy to God, just look at an undisciplined child. Civilized society is learned through hard work and discipline
The natural man is not sex. That definition regarding the fall of Adam is very short-sighted. The natural man is putting our will before God’s will. That’s the definition of natural man. It has to do with so many more topics (or sins) than just the right to have sex.