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Mormon is a prophet in the Book of Mormon. We dont worship Mormon nor is it his church.
"We love ya'all!" "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." This is what members of any faith or no faith should be able to expect from the true sheep of Christ. Sadly, it is often not so. So thanks for that. We love you right back!
You're not Christians. LDS are the Antichrist.
It is The Church of Jesus Christ of Later-Day Saints. That has been the name of the church since April of 1838. The name was given by Christ Himself to the church. The reason the true name is being re-emphasized today is because other names leave out the name of The Lord and that is not pleasing to Him. Mormon was a great man, but it is not his church. The Latter-Day Saints is just another name for the members, but it is not our church.
Thanks for the information. Good to know the reasoning
Respect for doing this guys. You should talk with Ward Radio!
Nope. LDS is a false religion from the Antichrist.
LDS convert in the UK here. CZcams just put this on my feed. It's so refreshing to hear Evangelical Christians speak kindly of us. Thanks 👍
I think someone else has already answered the question about why we don't refer to ourselves as Mormons. But very simply, our Prophet challenged the worldwide membership a few years back to refer to the full name of the church in our dialogue and interactions with others. Whilst we believe in both the Book of Mormon and the Bible, people really need to know that ultimately we believe in and follow our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 🙂
You're not Christians. LDS are the Antichrist.
Thanks. One thing to understand about Latter-day Saints is that we do consider ourselves Christians. We follow Jesus Christ and He is the center of our faith.
You're not Christians
@@blue-planet-cinema I would never deny you your right to be a follower of Christ. I'm sorry that you can not do the same for me. But that is your issue, not mine. I know who I serve.
@@kylelieb2977 you’re denying it yourself by following a false religion and false prophets that teach a false Christ.
I can tell, by their words, whether Kyle Lieb or "blue-planet-cinema" is more likely to be a follower of the true Jesus Christ.
It's pretty easy to tell: "Therefore by their fruits you will know them."
@@blue-planet-cinema if your test for being a Christian is whether a person accepts a creed, then you are saying that Jesus' disciples were not Christians, because the creeds were decided hundreds of years after they all died.
I’m glad you had the humility to apologize. Not many people have that kind of mentality, much less are willing to say sorry for misleading, intentionally or not, people about our faith and what kind of people we are. In fact this is probably the first apology I’ve ever seen from another Christian influencer.
So many people think that we aren't Christians because of our nicknames (The full name being The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints). Mormon is the name of an ancient prophet who compiled and abridged a book of spiritual and historical records which became known as The Book of Mormon after it was translated by a modern prophet Joseph Smith. The subtitle on The Book of Mormon is literally "Another Testament of Jesus Christ" so when people call us Mormons or LDS I find it a little sad because one of the foremost principals of our gospel is being Disciples of Jesus Christ (plus our prophet has asked us to not remove the name of our Savior when we speak of the church and ourselves).
Thank you for just asking questions and being open to learning more, I just stumbled upon this video but it was great! Thank you!
LDS is a false religion from Satan
Most of us don't mind "mormon" as a term, member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the most accurate. That has always been the case, but we've been more insistent on using the proper name. I think this is because we at least, believe we follow Jesus, and we believe His church should be called in His name. It's a bit of a mouthful, though.
You seem like great people. Most of us don't mind push back on our religion or beliefs either. I'm grateful when other people are concerned for my soul, truly.
Amazing Fellowshipping. Thank you for having such open hearts and being incredible examples of the Savior and his love. :)
Nope. LDS is a false religion from the Antichrist.
Glen beck lives in Texas. See if he will have a chat with you. He,s LDS
Thank you! We may have some doctrinal differences, but we are one in Christ.
Oh that's it! That is IT! You guys mess with us mormons? I'm gonna find you and bring you a plate of cookies! That's what happens when you mess with us! ;)
Mormon mafia 😂
Jonah!! Love you man!
Wazzup Jonah! The professor of all things Apocryphal!
This is hilarious! White chocolate macadamia is my fave lol…. Thanks for the kind respond
LOL such sarcasm
Hi Alex and Ashley,
As a born and raised member of the Mormon/LDS church all my life in the OKC area, I appreciate your great love for others and for business/prosperity. I take interest in business aspects with an emphasis on faith and purpose.
I am an open book and have heard most every argument or question about my faith. So nothing offends me when asked in good nature to simply understand more of my relationship with God.
I’ll share this: growing up in OK I referred to many of my friends as “Indians”. At one point my HS coach asked us to not say “Indian” but instead “Native American” when around his wife. At first I thought it was odd and thought she’s just being too anal. I can relate to her now as our President Russell M. Nelson asked media and others to please reference us/the church other than Mormon.
The label “Indian” (India) really has nothing to do with Native Americans- a mistaken identity. It’s not quite the same but the word Mormon doesn’t truly represent who we actually are. I mean it was a guy’s name back in ancient days. It’s not an offense to refer to Mormon but yes Latter-Day Saints (LDS) or “members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints even reminds myself of who I represent.
I’d love to support you both in the cause for bridging our gaps for understanding and find commonalities to further Christian values in our communities. I’m not too far from north Texas and would be happy to learn from you as well. No egg shells around me. I can even make fun of my own thoughts beliefs but for me I know them to be true and it’s a joy to share as well as learn more from others.
Thank you, Jason
I am really impressed impressed with your bravery to offer this apology, I am a lifelong member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and live in central Texas. I would be happy to share my belief in and about Jesus Christ with you.
Truly no offense is taken, especially when it is apparent that you are both sincere in your ministry. We prefer to be called members of the Church of Jesus Christ or, if you want to say a mouthful, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I am sure someone would be happy to discuss our beliefs in the Savior of the world via Zoom or in studio. Thanks for your kindness!
You guys should also reach out to Ward Radio to talk.
We will check them out!!
I concur.
Reach out to Ward Radio, they would love to have a conversation with you!
It’s takes a humble heart to repent. I love other faiths. We have more in common than we have different. Apology accepted with a virtual hug!
This is so nice and unexpected. Much more Christlike than some other people. Can we be friends?
We are members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST, not the church of the prophet Mormon or the book he compiled. Additionally, in the 1800s when we were being persecuted, our enemies called us Mormons as a derogatory term. I think we tried to reclaim it for a few generations and make it more positive. I think nowadays it is descriptive of culture but not religion.
You're following a false prophet. That is what is important. I pray that God will open your eyes so you can find the truth!
@@cornfedlifeWell our "false" Prophets fulfill prophecies Jesus Christ himself gave as signs of his true followers that no other religious leaders on earth are. Namely "Ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." and "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." If your leaders don't have all manner of evil spoken falsely against them, only when they are caught embezzling church funds or sleeping with someone else's wife etc., then you have to wonder why Satan doesn't care what they teach or do. The Pew Poll has shown that while members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints loves members of other churches more than they love each other, they are the most hated by all other religions across the board. Truly members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints love their enemies, and bless those who curse them, and do good to those that hate them, and pray for those who persecute them and despitefully use them, just like Jesus Christ said to do.
This sort of humility is a rare occurance from personal experience. Thank you for living this Christ-like attribute. I know it's been 6 days at this point, and others have explained, but yes, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is the full and proper name. What you might not know is, with a Modern-day Prophet and Apostles, the Church is a very living thing. So, despite being able to find many wonderful talks and things embracing the nickname "Mormon", the Lord has found it expedient (fit for a purpose), that we embrace and properly utilize the Full-and-Proper name for the Church. From personal experiences, I've found that as I follow the Lord's guidance through a Modern-day Prophet, I receive blessings.
Good choices for people to talk with are:
Ward Radio
Thoughtful Faith
Cwic Media
Christian Homestead
For All The Saints With Ben Hancock
I love this. True fellowship hearts. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
We really love taking notes from other believers as well. So many great things to appreciate from all the various churches. But we're all of the Church of Christ. We love Him and want to follow Him and build the kingdom together.
Also, it's not so much that "Mormon" is so bad. It was used in a derogatory way originally, but Mormon is a prophet from the Book of Mormon (one of the two--- him & his father--- that summarized the many records from all the prophet records in the Americas they kept) and we don't see any need to take his name, as honorable of a man as he was.
0:14 The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints is the correct name
You're not Christians. LDS are the Antichrist.
I am a Latter-day Saints and i will support this channel. I subscribe, like and even share.
A lot of the members of the LDS Church have been missionaries. We've had way worse things yelled, screamed and thrown at us! Lol
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the most accurate term. Because it's a mouthful, people revert LDS short for Latter day Saint (even though technically thats still not perfect though it is a step closer in our minds) The reasoning behind this preference away from Mormon is because our prophet Russell M. Nelson instructed us about 5 years ago to remember the name of our Church having Jesus Christ in it. "Mormon" was always a 3rd party term that was used by those who only knew us by the special Book we had, The Book of Mormon and it inadvertently took our name away from the name of Jesus Christ over time. We are trying to repent from that as well. Appreciate your apology, though to be honest I don't know what it was for.
I love that you all are very open minded!! I’m a member of the LDS church and it’s delightful to have grace from you❣️❣️❣️❣️
Thank you for taking the time to comment and watch! 🫶
Mark 9: 38-40 is one of my favorite verses because we may disagree on some things but we all have one thing in common, that is we believe in Christ and want to share his love with everyone we can.
You guys are great! Ward radio and/or Thoughtful Faith are good places to reach out to.
I just viewed your first video. Congratulations on accepting Jesus and overcoming your addictions. You should look at the videos from David Alexander. He left the hippie drug culture to accept Christ when he was 21 and spent 47 years trying to serve God. After multiple disappointment s, he finally decided to find out what the 'Mormons', believe. His experience could be valuable for you.
Pastor Jeff over at Hello Saints in Utah is a fantastic example of this kind of outreach ministry.
Thanks for your kind words! I think we ALL (on both sides) can do better in striving for more accuracy in our understanding of others' beliefs. Making a video about trying to correct some of those is very mature and Christlike you both. Thanks for leading by example!
Ward Radio would be a perfect guest! That would be a banger collaboration!
This takes a lot of courage, thank you so very much for being sincere.
I’m a Latter Day Saint and Priesthood holder so I love to see other faith leaders bridging gaps! ❤ I’m interested in a video chat to share about the faith if you’re interested.
The term "Mormon" was used derogatorily starting back around the 1830's by some who were antagonistic. It did quickly become somewhat accepted by the actual membership as an okay nickname. Kind of like, "If you're going to keep calling us that in a mean way well then we'll accept it to a degree so that us calling ourselves that or you calling us that is actually okay." And all of that is... okay. Even in all the time from roughly 1830 to 2019 there were admonitions expressed to remember that it's just a nickname and that more importantly we look to Jesus Christ. In 2019 President Nelson especially emphasized that we should really give less attention to the nickname now and really focus on the name of the Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
My actual first name is Christian and I did have times growing up where people asked me why that would be my name if I was a "Mormon," so I know confusion has occurred.
You may have already found someone to speak with but I'll express a willingness to speak with you too on this.
Thank you!
Thank you for the kind feedback Christian. 🙏🏻
Thank you for being so respectful. Myself and many other LDS members see a lot of hate against us, and so I again say thanks for showing respect.
GOD BLESS YOU!! This is genuinely amazing to see true Christ like love!! Frist video ove seen but yall seem like amazing and outstanding people for even just this small video. Definitely need to watch more of yalls videos.
Thank you so much!!
Check out the Hello Saints podcast for more information on how to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints.
As a member of the LDS church, thank you. Just want peace and love with everyone else. We are all just trying to do our best to live by God and spread some joy.
These are true Christian’s. Thank you for your kindness, it’s rare at time but I really appreciate your loving actions to make such a video
It's ok, I live in the United States South. I am so used to being misrepresented it's pretty much expected whenever evangelicals speak about my religion. I just learned to roll my eyes and move on. My kids have all been told by their evangelical fellow students that they are going to hell, their evangelical friends ostracized them when they find out they are LDS. It just is the way it is. I try to not have hard feelings against them, I strive to forgive, but it's hard when it keeps happening.
I love these podcasts
New subscriber here. Not LDS Anglican. But enjoy making friends from all denominations.
Welcome aboard!
Latter-Day Saints are Christians 👍 Just a different denomination of Christianity, just like baptists and lutherans and methodists are different denominations of Christianity 👍
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Jesus Christ part is the most important to us. We take very seriously taking on His name. But we won't hold it against you. That's for sure. We love our fellow Christians even when they don't like us as much back. Not that I'm saying you don't like us, but we love ALL OF YOU!!! ❤❤❤
False church from satan. Not a church of Jesus Christ
I'll come on the podcast
-sans edit-
This was awesome to see. You guys are great. -(member of church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) who doesn’t take offense if you call me a Mormon a couple times but are willing to try to understand why it means a lot to us to be called members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (Even if it seems a bit long 😉)Our current prophet made the prophetic announcement a handful of years ago that we needed to be known as Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, on the most basic level of simply because Jesus Christ is who we worship and serve and seek to emulate and follow and take his name upon us. It is only by and through him and the miracle of hus atoning sacrifice that we can be saved and he is our advocate with The Father. And being known as the Mormons just simply didn’t make much sense to be honest. We don’t worship Mormon, even though we are grateful to him for the Book in which we study and is certainly a very important historical leader to us - but the whole context of The Book of Mormon is to along with the Bible -testify of the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. The history of the his appearance to the ancient peoples of The Americas
I don’t think yall did anything wrong. I think sometimes it might come off a way because people misunderstand
Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, the reason we are adamant for people to stop using "Mormon" is because people try to hide that we are Latter-day Saints of the Church of Jesus Christ.
THANK YOU! This is so refreshing … Jesus has changed me and my life… I need Him, I love Him; He is my Savior & Redeemer. it’s hard when other Christians adamantly tell me that I’m going to hell, that I’m not a Christian & proceed to tell me things about my beliefs that aren’t true, dismissing me when I try to tell them what we really believe. I’m never sure when I meet other Christians if they’re going to be kind or hateful when they find out what church I’m a member of. I’ve encountered both.
FYI, abt our name, the real name of the church has been Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- Day-Saints from its beginning in the 1800s. “Mormon” was a nickname given to us by ppl who persecuted and even killed us in the 1800s (it was actually legal to kill members of our faith in Missouri until 1978, I think… “the Mormon extermination act.” It was meant to be derogatory. For a long while, we just gave into the nickname, but in doing so, others concluded we worship Mormon instead of Jesus Christ, even ppl who aren’t persecutory, but just know nothing of our beliefs. This is a time in history, more than any other, that ppl need to come to Christ, whatever the faith. Consequently, it’s important that ppl know our real name and associate us with our true beliefs and love of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
Nope. LDS is a false religion from the Antichrist.
Ward radio would be great to contact with.
Thank you for your respect. These days I see a lot of hate against our LDS church. 💔
Nope. LDS is a false religion from the Antichrist.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the name of the church given by revelation. We are taught in our scriptures that things from above should be spoken of with care. Our current president of the Church has emphasized that we use the name of the church. We’re not Mormons or the Mormon church, or even the LDS church. It’s the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. For short you could just call us saints or Latter Day Saints, but abbreviations is not considered reverent to what is revealed. Thanks for your kindness.
Hi! The reason we prefer to be called Latter-Day Saints, is because we don't want people to think that we worship Mormon. We worship our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. That is why the name of the church is the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, so when talking about the Church, we like to at least say the church of Jesus Christ, that way we don't leave out his name. When referring to the members we are happy to be called latter-day saints. Saints because that was a word used in Psalms and the New testament to refer to believers of Christ. Latter-day, because we believe we are in the last days. Hope that helps.
Also, super impressed with your apology. Repentance is one thing a true disciple of Christ must engage in. You have a new fan.
The worst thing to do will be to bring on a random "Mormon". The people who wrote those meme observations about "Mormons" (you listed in your last video) rarely give voice to well-educated or well-spoken members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. To do justice, do a collaboration with the likes of Ward Radio or Thoughtful Faith.
Anyway, I appreciate the mad respect despite some misunderstandings.
Thank you for the feedback!! We have been checking out Ward Radio and love those guys
I live just outside of Salt Lake City and, if you all can connect via Zoom, I'd love to help answer and clarify some points for you. Lifelong member of the church, and I took no offense to your effort to fellowship with us!
Your sincere humility is so touching ❤️ We're used to being picked on but strive to be Christlike in all our interactions.
"Mormons" was a nickname given to church members in Joseph Smith's time by those who weren't friendly to our new developing religion. It came from the Book of Mormon. Mormon is actually the name of a prophet in the book. He was in charge of compiling all the different accounts and stories (from the time they left Jerusalem to hundreds of years later) from different prophets in the Book of Mormon, so it got his name. The nickname was used so much that the church ended up adopting it got in the habit of calling themselves Mormons, even though we have always been The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. A few years ago our current prophet said we should stop referring to ourselves as "Mormons" because it takes away from the true mission and name of our church--Jesus Christ's church. We believe Joseph Smith restored Jesus Christ's true church on the earth and that when Jesus Christ comes back to reign on the earth, we will not be handing over "The Mormon church" but the church of JESUS CHRIST. Hope this explanation helps! ❤️
How about just look after your own sins and leave everyone else alone.
I thank you for your apology, but I also realize it doesn't change your sincere view that we LDS hold Satanic beliefs and worship a "different Jesus". I have heard the same representations about our beliefs that you referenced on the list you read from. Some of them were misrepresentations or falsehoods about our beliefs. Other lack context. You didn't take the time to research why or how we hold some of the beliefs we do. You seemed to accept those representations on the list as true, without question or further investigation.
I'd like to address the first subject on your list that "Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers." by sharing with you an explanation and the proper context through a video made by a former evangelical, now current Mormon, Jennifer Roach. She addresses both the evangelical and Mormon views of this matter. Her video can be viewed here: czcams.com/video/bXK3Ci3dgfc/video.htmlsi=lp7t9vNPdns5q9JK&t=2 it's about 24 minutes.
Another video addresses the same subject, here: czcams.com/video/XdQbtpUbfy0/video.htmlsi=s-ZSuq-lWfESBYOb it is only 4 minutes long, but I highly recommend you start with the longer video first.
Thank you for the honest feedback. We could have taken more time to research what we said
Everyone loves the Mormons. But we don't have to apologize to them unless they prove they are right, which they have not.
The Pew Poll shows that the "Mormons" are generally the least loved of all religions by all religions, while loving all religions more than they love each other.
When people come onto your podcast be sure to avoid the tough questions. The truth isn’t something most LDS members are honestly ready for. And to be honest (having been raised in the church) the Jesus of the LDS religion is very, very different from the Jesus of basically every other Christian denomination (this is due to Joseph Smith’s beliefs - and you should definitely not ask about Joseph Smith’s life or history, etc). So be sure to clarify the differences before you agree you’re talking about the same thing.
This comment is exactly the problem if you can't answer the tough question then there are 2 possibilities it's not been revealed yet as the restoration continues until Christ's return, or more learning is to be had it's likely someone knows the answer but you need to be ready to listen to it?
That's correct, the real relationship between God, Jesus and the holy ghost as found in the old and new testaments is not congruent with the creeds to which the "Christians" cling to. That's why God called the creeds an abomination.
I'm a Latter-day Saint and you can ask me the tough questions.
Life long member and not scared of tough questions either
As for the life and history of Joseph Smith Jr., when you vet the sources, taking firsthand accounts and rejecting hostile second and third hand accounts, Joseph Smith Jr. comes out looking really good. But it's no surprise so much evil has been said about him, Jesus Christ said of his true followers that all manner of evil would be said about them falsely. Satan fights hardest against his greatest threat.
Do you also use people's preferred pronouns when they are obviously not correct? Mormons are NOT "Saints", latter day or otherwise, regardless of what they call themselves.
Then why do we behave more Saintly than any other churches and produce far better fruits?
@@bartonbagnes4605 it don’t see it as saintly to deceive. I’ve watched many testimonies of people who have left the Mormon church, including high priests and the common thread that I’ve noticed in all of their testimonies is the deceit that goes on within the LDS church. It makes sense that deceit is a big issue since you are following a man who was known for being deceitful. I challenge you to read the actual Word of God, and it will open your eyes to all of the lies of the book of Mormon. I don’t think that the average Mormon intends to be deceitful, but I do think that the majority of the leaders of the church do it intentionally to further their own means. There’s a CZcams channel called DeLaFe and they just produced two powerful testimonies of a former high priest and his wife, a former BYU professor. I dare you to watch them. They had my wife and I crying. Such beautiful stories about them finding the true Jesus!
Honestly they changed the name from Mormon to LDS or Latter Day Saints because of the fact that the church did some polls a while back and realized that the name had garnered negative connotations. So in order to fool others they changed it. It worked. Mormon/LDS it’s all the same ideology with a different name. It is a church I was raised in the heart of. It was raised up by a man (Joseph Smith,) who happened to be a child SA’er and a polygamist. In the upper echelons of their society they still believe these things are okay. (The general mormons don’t know this,) People who have grown up and left know more truth about the church than the members attending because the church is adamant that no other material other than church/church approved material be read/used by members.
The church owes its members an apology for lying to them, covering up all sorts of abuse, and not using the tithing money it collects from every member for its intended purpose.
Thanks for the info, good to know
@@KingdomBusinessFellowshipNot a word of what he said is true. About 40% of those who leave come back when with better research they learn these things he says aren't true. Jesus Christ himself said of his true followers "Ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake." and "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, AND SAY ALL MANNER OF EVIL AGAINST YOU FALSELY, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you." Satan fights hardest against his greatest threats.
@thoughtfulfaith2020 Jacob Hansen is somebody I respect in the CZcams space, he is your everyday Latter-day Saint and does a good job of explaining doctrine and practices in simple ways.
Also not sure if you said this but I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints, I want to be your friend.
Thank you for the kind words! We would love to be friends
The term "Mormon" was used derogatorily starting back around the 1830's by some who were antagonistic. It did quickly become somewhat accepted by the actual membership as an okay nickname. Kind of like, "If you're going to keep calling us that in a mean way well then we'll accept it to a degree so that us calling ourselves that or you calling us that is actually okay." And all of that is... okay. Even in all the time from roughly 1830 to 2019 there were admonitiobs expressed to remember that it's just a nickname and that more importantly we look to Jesus Christ. In 2019 President Nelson especially emphasized that we should really give less attention to the nickname now and really focus on the name of the Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
My actual first name is Christian and I did have times growing up where people asked me why that would be my name if I was a "Mormon," so I know confusion has occurred.
You may have already found someone to speak with but I'll express a willingness to speak with you too on this.
Thank you!