Jacob Hansen | The Nature of God and Christ in The Book of Mormon.

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  • @djenntt
    @djenntt Před 2 měsíci +180

    Read the Book of Mormon when I was 14 and questioned everything. Went to study all the other major religions, and discovered a connection with all of them, but felt something was missing. Returned to the Book of Mormon and got baptized at 33.

    • @shibainferno
      @shibainferno Před 2 měsíci +11

      Took the scenic route but still found it. Welcome back!

    • @StevenRetz
      @StevenRetz Před 2 měsíci +6

      BoM is my favorite book, it brought me to Yeshua and to His Torah.
      czcams.com/video/jgUl1lclZAc/video.html

    • @chuckintexas
      @chuckintexas Před 2 měsíci +7

      I rejected and avoided EVERYTHING "Mormon" until Our Father had PREPARED ME in my life , as HE did YOU .
      Having been thus *PREPARED* , I was _ready_ when two guys in white shirts & ties knocked on my door . I challenged them to PROVE that what they were teaching was TRUE .
      As my challenge was itself pure, and that I genuinely conceded that _IF_ so , what _other_ choice COULD I make , but Baptism ?
      Thus was I prepared to receive The Spirit in my learning - the Spirit of God which those two had brought with them , into my home and into my LIFE !
      Thus I resumed the mist wonderful journey of my eternal LIFE !

    • @Aaron-SLC
      @Aaron-SLC Před 2 měsíci +2

      Youre that naive. Did you actual read the writings of early church fathers?

    • @StevenRetz
      @StevenRetz Před 2 měsíci

      @@Aaron-SLC catholic church fathers mix paganism into the religion

  • @ElizabethPearch
    @ElizabethPearch Před 2 měsíci +65

    I agree Jacob. Now what about after establishing a belief and understanding of the Restoration? I left the church for more than 20 years. When I came back, I spent all my time building my beliefand testimony from the bottom up, like you said. After going through the logic of the steps you mention, the next big "leap" for me was the Second Coming of Christ. I remember early in my reactivation thinking "okay, Christ is real. The stories are real. The Book of Mormon is real. Those were real people. It's all real. Now that means Christ is coming again. If that past is real, the future is real." THAT is so hard for me to wrap my tiny brain around. This topic is not one I hear many LDS, in my circles at least, really talk about in depth - or take as seriously and I think might be warrented. And I admit, sometimes I feel a little foolish talking about the Millenium being here soon. It's hard to articulate what I'm thinking. I guess I'd like to talk more about specifically preparing for Christ's return and what that looks like. I'm beyond converstations about wearing garments correctly and other topics about keeping basic commandments and covanants. I'm there. I'm all in already. I want to talk about Christ coming.

    • @Icanonlyimagn7891
      @Icanonlyimagn7891 Před 2 měsíci

      If you go through the past two to three conferences and reread the prophet and apostles talks, and read the footnotes in their talks, that’s all they are talking about. From what I gather, the millennium is here, those who have prepared their lamps are being invited to witness the greatest miracles.
      Why is the prophet building temples at such a massive pace? Why is he encouraging and pleading with us to attend often?
      Christ is manifesting Himself to the pure in heart in His holy houses. He is also “marking” through covenant His people and preparing them for His return.
      If you go to Matt Jeppson “Spiritual survival for the last days” CZcams, he goes over President Nelson’s pleadings and talks about the Second Coming!
      It’s real, things are happening right before our eyes! It’s so exciting!
      Matt Jeppson is a humble guy. An attorney for career, but feels so strongly the Lord is preparing the world. Those with eyes to see. Matt does not claim any special ability or knowledge, but goes over what prophets have been saying about our day. He also encourages us to seek. His posts have lit a fire under me! ❤️🙏🏻☀️
      Even though the prophecies of our days are scary, Matt always talks about fear and faith and the amazing love God has for us.
      Happy to hear you’re back and all in! I believe the wedding feast is not too far off, and we don’t want to miss it! 🔥

    • @tdijon7
      @tdijon7 Před 2 měsíci

      I feel this. Deeply. I crave the meat.

    • @StaceyMayer
      @StaceyMayer Před 2 měsíci +10

      You're sitting up front with me. ❤❤❤

    • @ElizabethPearch
      @ElizabethPearch Před 2 měsíci +6

      @@StaceyMayer Yes and amen😊

    • @alisonshupe1874
      @alisonshupe1874 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Read The Triumph of Zion by John Pontius and read putting on Christ by Steven Bishop

  • @AnalogKid2112
    @AnalogKid2112 Před 23 dny +3

    Once again, Jacob knocks it out of the park!
    I like to say “Any intelligent thinking person who takes his religious epistemology seriously will eventually arrive at Latter-day Saint ontology.”
    As Jacob said, you START with the question of “Who am I?”, then move onto the nature of reality, then the nature of God. If you create a logically coherent framework from this base, it is virtually inevitable to arrive at a view of the world that is in line with the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • @charlottegardenhire6408
    @charlottegardenhire6408 Před 2 měsíci +16

    When Jacob was talking about the “First Apostasy” I couldn’t help but think how that first apostasy created the conditions for Jesus to be crucified. Such a necessarily thing out of something so tragic. God sure does work on mysterious ways and turns all things for our good.

    • @thekolobsociety
      @thekolobsociety Před 2 měsíci +1

      Great insight.

    • @anvldiy28
      @anvldiy28 Před 2 měsíci +1

      And how the second apostasy was needed to usher in the restoration. And how this last apostasy will be required to usher in The Christ.

  • @chuckintexas
    @chuckintexas Před 2 měsíci +15

    I rejected and avoided EVERYTHING "Mormon" until Our Father had PREPARED ME in my life , as HE did YOU .
    Having been thus *PREPARED* , I was _ready_ when two guys in white shirts & ties knocked on my door . I challenged them to PROVE that what they were teaching was TRUE .
    As my challenge was itself pure, and that I genuinely conceded that _IF_ so , what _other_ choice COULD I make , but Baptism ?
    Thus was I prepared to receive The Spirit in my learning - the Spirit of God which those two had brought with them , into my home and into my LIFE !
    Thus I resumed the mist wonderful journey of my eternal LIFE !

    • @blusheep2
      @blusheep2 Před 2 měsíci

      So how did they go about "proving" that what they were teaching was real?

  • @andrewbfrost7021
    @andrewbfrost7021 Před 2 měsíci +17

    The other restored doctrine that solves the problem of evil is the doctrine of the pre-mortal realm. That doctrine solves the problem of evil through consent. We consented to the conditions of life and the suffering that would come with it. The restored gospel is amazing.

    • @StaceyMayer
      @StaceyMayer Před 2 měsíci +3

      Exactly! Amen.

    • @roachemani
      @roachemani Před 2 měsíci +2

      yes my exact thoughts as well. There’s a saying that ‘you can’t taste the sweet without the bitter’ implying that we can’t know happiness without misery or suffering. If only the world had an open mind and heart to the simple plain doctrines of Christs gospel, life would become less miserable and more hopeful and comprehensible.

    • @ItsSnagret
      @ItsSnagret Před 2 měsíci +2

      In addition to consent, we are coeternal with God as intelligences. This means he didn’t create our fundamental essence, and thus we are responsible for our agency.

    • @andrewbfrost7021
      @andrewbfrost7021 Před 2 měsíci

      @@ItsSnagret I like it.

  • @HaleStorm49
    @HaleStorm49 Před 2 měsíci +37

    In the sense of whether the Mormon Jesus is:
    More powerfu?
    More loving?
    More capable?
    More knowledgeable?
    Yes.
    _Different_ is too vague. Superior? Certainly.

    • @user-ux3vb5zg1p
      @user-ux3vb5zg1p Před 2 měsíci +7

      Latterday day saints believe in the right Jesus because Joseph Smith seen Him and He is the same Jesus of the bible John ch3 vs16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who soever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life we believe God the Father and GodHis son who is Jesus are 2 seperate people but the same in purpose

    • @PrairieChristianOutreach
      @PrairieChristianOutreach Před 2 měsíci

      How are you coming to that conclusion? What is your premise?
      Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh. He is part of the Godhead. He is a member of the eternal family of God. He is the creator of all, the Law incarnate, the only source of life, and the only way to connect to God.
      How is any other understanding above this ontological understanding?

    • @kaduyantv2857
      @kaduyantv2857 Před 2 měsíci

      In 3 Nephi 11, Jesus visited the inhabitants of Ancient America. Jesus declare this" Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world."
      Please read the Book of Mormon, for it testifies of Jesus Christ. ​@@PrairieChristianOutreach

    • @HaleStorm49
      @HaleStorm49 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@PrairieChristianOutreach What is the greatest gift that God can give you?

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice Před 2 měsíci

      @@user-ux3vb5zg1p I an confirm that, read Joel 3;14-20 its all there in the bible about where the Lord will be speaking his words from in the last days and
      what location he will be sending out all his latter-day revelations from it will be from out of Zion and later on from out of Jerusalem.
      If the Lord was not speaking his voice from out of Zion in the last days as the prophet Joel is telling us he will be doing so then there would be no Restoration of the gospel back on the earth to restore back the prophets again to speak for the Lord in these last days. But the lord has restored back the prophets again and that's why he speak his voice from out of Zion. For Zion was set up to be a standard to the nations. Zion has the Lord's standards.. Zion is that stone kingom that Daniel and john the revelator saw in vision.
      I can also confirm that its 2 separate people having the same in purpose because Daniel the prophet also saw the two lords appear to him just as Stephen and Joseph saw them and they were talking to him Daniel to face so both the Lords could be seen by Daniel so they were NOT invisible. and one of the two lords picked Daniel up with his own hands so we already know one of the lords already had a resurrected tangible body BEFORE Jesus Christ was even sent to earth to be resurrected in the flesh, someone else had a body of fleseh and bones to interact personally with daniel.
      And again in Jeremiah Chapter 1 we see the same tangible interaction again when the Lord had touched jeremiah with his finger on Jeremiah's Lip an invisible spirit cannot do that. And this is before the time that Jesus was sent to earth in the flesh.

  • @Drollls
    @Drollls Před 2 měsíci +17

    Havent seen Jacob much lately😢 Hope his studio is coming along well. Much love

  • @MartinLizamaMioni
    @MartinLizamaMioni Před 2 měsíci +9

    For me the basic theme and testimony of The Book of Mormon is the Atonement of Jesus Christ, He is the way to return to our heavenly home, to the Kingdom of God.

  • @UtahKent
    @UtahKent Před 2 měsíci +4

    Jacob gets the Calvinists. I wish he had an hour to just discuss the monstrous implications of 5 point Calvinism.

  • @amandaspencer4686
    @amandaspencer4686 Před 2 měsíci +22

    I love Jacob Hansen. He is one of the 1st ppl I started listening to when I was struggling with my testimony & so many times his videos were an answer to very specific prayers. And this video is no exception. Thank you, Chris, for your comments about those who are struggling to submit to God. Those words have been so much on my heart the last few years, weeks, and even specifically days as we've been reading in Mosiah. Thank you so much. Love & appreciate you all, and love this channel so, so much. Can't wait until I get my hand on & mind in The Language of Adam.

  • @handson2022
    @handson2022 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Loved this conversation. It has been so fulfilling the last couple years for me to learn more about the various philosophical problems and how our theology addresses them, as taught in the Book of Mormon. The restoration of the gospel through Joseph Smith is truly a marvelous work and a wonder. Loved everything shared here!

  • @anichols2760
    @anichols2760 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Great discussion and presentation. I felt the Spirit and extreme charity filled me while listening. I had an additional thought based on my own life experiences. As much as I have loved people in my heart, i have had occasions where church leaders, family who were church leaders and other members did not have the Spirit of Charity and Christs oneness and instead have exhibited elements of pride in a way that have hurt me tremendously. Ive also seen others poorly mistreated on occasion. I bring this up because i was brought up in a family culture where leaders were placed on pedestals which has away of tearing apart ones mental and emotional reality when leaders and/or members dont act in Christian-like ways. I bring this up in hopes that others like me wont struggle when a leader exhibits natural-man-like tendencies. The scripture "many are called but few are chosen" from d&c section 121 indicates that we place our faith in Christ and not in men. In doing so we allow Christ to rule over our hearts and spirits which provides grace that enables us to pray for leaders when they are weak. Reminds me of Moses when he had servants holding up his hands so they could prevail in battle. When he was weak the progress of the battle failed but when his hands were raised the children of Israel gained the upper hand. Supporting weak leaders who fail us and a ward or stake demonstrates our commitment to have the mindset and compassion of the Lord. But for heavens sake, i hope no other member experiences the pain, heartache, and horrific results that i have suffered due to several weak, uninspired, and uncaring leaders who acted as hirelings rather than as shepherds. I had to learn to pray for them. So i think the Lords judgment begins in his own house as he attempts to clean up some of the pride, ego, and lack of love of those who he allowed to be called but who took no effort in becoming chosen by neglecting desires to seek the Lords will and develop the Lords attributes.

  • @harmonillustration
    @harmonillustration Před 2 měsíci +13

    I watch/listen to a lot of LDS content here on CZcams. Stick of Joseph, Thoughtful Faith, Ward Radio, Saints Unscripted, etc. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say this: This episode/discussion was one of the BEST things I have heard in a WHILE! Thank you! This was absolutely amazing!
    Now when an Evangelical tells me that I worship a "different Jesus", I'm going to respond with a "Yes, I do! Thank God!"

  • @mounga100
    @mounga100 Před 3 dny

    We love you Jacob for your work...

  • @karcxus7312
    @karcxus7312 Před 2 měsíci +10

    This is the best thing I’ve heard in a long time.

  • @tammigarlick1234
    @tammigarlick1234 Před 2 měsíci +7

    One of the best discussions I’ve ever listened to! Brilliant!

  • @John-jh9ud
    @John-jh9ud Před 2 měsíci +9

    Wake up people, "Mormons" preach the spirit of prophecy. WE CAN KNOW JESUS CHRIST!

    • @jamesbrooks3664
      @jamesbrooks3664 Před 2 měsíci

      False sorry not sorry.

    • @John-jh9ud
      @John-jh9ud Před 2 měsíci

      @@jamesbrooks3664your disbelief doesn't change anything my friend

  • @kaduyantv2857
    @kaduyantv2857 Před 2 měsíci +8

    In the Book of Mormon we read in 3 Nephi 11:14, eye witnesses heard and recorded this words from Jesus "Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world."

  • @UVJ_Scott
    @UVJ_Scott Před 2 měsíci +5

    The only thing that ultimately matters is, how do I change, absolutely change, my personality, my point of view, my thinking, my whole being, to become like Christ? Any attempt to give up on faith is simply a way to avoid the necessary change. As CS Lewis stated, “The terrible thing, the almost impossible thing, is to hand over your whole self-all your wishes and precautions-to Christ.”
    But it is far easier than what we are all trying to do instead.”

  • @nancylowe2692
    @nancylowe2692 Před měsícem +2

    Can you imagine the joy of brotherhood & sisterhood we hsve ahead? To meet & talk to Prophets & faithful from the beginning of time up to the present!

  • @godsoffspring4195
    @godsoffspring4195 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Zion = FAMILY :>)

  • @jessewilson7809
    @jessewilson7809 Před 2 měsíci +3

    It's rare that I feel the spirit on CZcams but this upload really got me in the feels. I love the content you guys put out and especially the temple and book of mormon stuff but it was also nice to have an episode like this to help me examine my own spiritual progression a little bit more. Thanks for having Jacob Hansen on. It was a very edifying video

  • @connorbrown1603
    @connorbrown1603 Před 2 měsíci +4

    I don't know how I just found your channel this week, but I have loved every second. Ingested a huge chunk of your content for the last 7 days. Grateful you guys' are having these conversations and filling these spaces with such positive and thoughtful content.

  • @gustavoabalos3783
    @gustavoabalos3783 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Jacob a great men, lives up to his name very well!!!!

  • @Jamo12
    @Jamo12 Před 2 měsíci +6

    Faith, hope, charity. In order, those are the answer. Each section of temple correlates to those. Those are the steps to unity. Those are the steps to become celestial.
    Faith is needed for the covenants. The covenants give us hope. The fruit of that hope is charity. It will come from every pore if we fully submit and it will sanctify.

  • @misssue1824
    @misssue1824 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Fascinating discussion. No wonder God is one.

  • @tracys9265
    @tracys9265 Před 2 měsíci +3

    I love the symphony analogy! We can all play whatever we want, but if we play together according to the sheet music, we can make a beautifully harmonic symphony. 💕

  • @deborahclark6264
    @deborahclark6264 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thank you for questions, insights and your beautiful testimonies. I have been enlighten and edified.

  • @readwriter
    @readwriter Před 2 měsíci +6

    Dear 2050's:
    When you get around to it, please consider Jacob Hansen for 1st Prez.

  • @rconger24
    @rconger24 Před 2 měsíci +5

    10:15. "Spirituality" is a sandy foundation.
    16:11 ;)
    23:05 _anti ex-nihilo_
    32:20 different Jesus
    35:30 _two_ great apostacies
    41:44 submission to the will of God / Segway to covenant making
    45:10 An inner change in each person that "subverts the need for the kingdoms of men.
    48:00 together and playing the songs of zion.

  • @smirg1591
    @smirg1591 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Thank you for sharing this thought provoking and uplifting conversation. More please!

  • @ThoseOneGuysInc
    @ThoseOneGuysInc Před 2 měsíci +1

    Loved this one! Thanks Stick of Joseph and Jacob!

  • @brendamartin3444
    @brendamartin3444 Před 2 měsíci +5

    In the 90’s I explained to my four sons that the word “God” in heaven, is like the word “Eagle Scout” on earth, the process is the same… Jesus Christ was just the first of all us Children of Heavenly Father to get his eagle, the rest of us are all attempting to follow him and get ours too
    I then asked my boys… so what was Christ’s Eagle Scout project…

  • @doghousr3534
    @doghousr3534 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Love this quote by President Spencer W. Kimball: “I have learned that where there is a prayerful heart, a hungering after righteousness, a forsaking of sins, and obedience to the commandments of God, the Lord pours out more and more light until there is finally power to pierce the heavenly veil and to know more than man knows. A person of such righteousness has the priceless promise that one day he shall see the Lord’s face and know that he is.” (“Give the Lord Your Loyalty,” Ensign, Mar. 1980, p. 4.)

  • @lw1959
    @lw1959 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Such a great episode!
    Thank you for making this!❤

  • @sabrinamacey1422
    @sabrinamacey1422 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Great conversation. Many validating talking points.

  • @olliewolff1996
    @olliewolff1996 Před 2 měsíci +1

    What an awesome video. Thankyou!

  • @sophiamcl
    @sophiamcl Před 12 dny +1

    While listening to your discussion about how "opposition or opposites" is a principle woven into the fabric of the universe, it struck me that one could argue that creation is in some ways presented by Mosee as an act of DIFFERENTIATION. God divided the light from the darkness, the land from the sea and so on. Fascinating stuff!

  • @elizabethpeterson9914
    @elizabethpeterson9914 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Excellent episode!

  • @hungryjoebbq
    @hungryjoebbq Před 2 měsíci +1

    Loved this episode! Another one that basically confirms the thoughts and feelings I've been having myself as of late! Love this channel and how much goodness you guys are spreading! I keep wanting to write novels of my own thoughts and experiences and how they relate to these videos in these comment sections, but I think it's just enough to say thank you!

  • @holidayrap
    @holidayrap Před 2 měsíci +5

    Therefore, let us glory, yea, we will glory in the Lord; yea, we will rejoice, for our joy is full; yea, we will praise our God forever. Behold, who can glory too much in the Lord? Yea, who can say too much of his great power, and of his mercy, and of his long-suffering towards the children of men? Behold, I say unto you, I cannot say the smallest part which I feel.

  • @AnaliliB
    @AnaliliB Před 2 měsíci

    I appreciate listening in to your conversation. Thank you! ❤

  • @seanandsaraannestorms
    @seanandsaraannestorms Před měsícem

    There is so much in this episode, I’ve listened 3 times and will probably listen another 3 times. Great work

  • @shaunnasparks8405
    @shaunnasparks8405 Před měsícem

    This is among one of my favorite episodes! Thanks to all 3 of you. So much to think about and it really gave me some insights that I had never thought of before!! So freaking good!!

  • @user-ux3vb5zg1p
    @user-ux3vb5zg1p Před 2 měsíci +5

    They try to tell us we have a different Jesus to deny the fact that Joseph Smith seen Him otherwise i cant understand what part of Him they think is different our Jesus is the one in the bible who prayed to His Father not a strange type of 3 in 1 person

  • @nancylowe2692
    @nancylowe2692 Před měsícem

    John 17 has always been my favorite scripture, too! ❤❤❤
    It takes a few readings to get the flow of it. It it touches my heart like no other.❤❤❤

  • @troymeacham8001
    @troymeacham8001 Před 2 měsíci +2

    We all need to condescend our neighbors and communities and serve as God does for all of use.

  • @peterblair4448
    @peterblair4448 Před 2 měsíci

    Love this discussion!!

  • @6barbers
    @6barbers Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great discussion !! Loved it

  • @Lightseeker333
    @Lightseeker333 Před 2 měsíci

    Fantastic discussion!

  • @colbyboothe7576
    @colbyboothe7576 Před měsícem

    Love the content you guys put out. I've just recently started watching, and you've already earned a subscribtion from me. I loved the paraphrased quote that Chris gave about being given glimpses into your future in the Celestial kingdom. I'd like to add that that's also possible for the past as well. As I've studied the gospel, prayed, and searched for who I WAS, I feel that I've received small glimpses or impressions of who I was in the pre-existance, which has given me strength and understanding on who I am, and who I will be given I follow the teachings of Christ

  • @TylerChapman-sh7jc
    @TylerChapman-sh7jc Před měsícem +1

    I did not want this episode to end

  • @grneal26
    @grneal26 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Jacob is great.

  • @rconger24
    @rconger24 Před 2 měsíci +15

    From here the audio is coming just fine.
    Card carrying Brighamite here.
    I believe in a "different" Jesus that creates souls that are given a _fair opportunity_ to learn about and recieve Him in a _fair and ethical_ way.
    I believe in a "different" Jesus that values our soveriegn will or "agency" and that set-up a plan of salvation _respecting_ this trait and that goes to considerable work to preserve it.
    I believe in a "different" Jesus that does not send his children to hell just for *_being born at the wrong time or place_* when or where they would never even have heared about Him.
    In short, I believe in a Jesus that gives me a Divine _Informed_ Consent.
    _CONVERSELY_
    I do not believe in a calvanist or westminster "jesus" that would create souls in the hundreds of billions only to torture and destroy them. I cannot imagine that sort of "jesus" producing the goodness and faith in souls necessary to lift the children-of-men out of the _fallen_ condition we find ourselves in.

    • @chuckintexas
      @chuckintexas Před 2 měsíci

      Wow . MASYERFULLY stated .
      Thanks !

    • @talea9593
      @talea9593 Před 2 měsíci

      I'm guessing you're not LDS because we don't believe that Jesus created our souls. God the Father created our souls including Jesus' soul. Jesus is our Brother who died for our sins.

  • @Irvingdector
    @Irvingdector Před měsícem

    Amazing episode!

  • @ziggy1xgaming
    @ziggy1xgaming Před 2 měsíci +1

    This was an incredible interview.

  • @BookWarden
    @BookWarden Před 2 měsíci +10

    Yes! I recently found Jacob Hansen on CZcams, originally from a debate between him and Hayden Carroll and Apologia. I enjoy when you have visitors on. BTW, when are you guys going to get David Alexander or David Boice on?(No offense intended)

    • @rconger24
      @rconger24 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yes David Alexander

    • @BookWarden
      @BookWarden Před 2 měsíci

      By the way, @thestickofjoseph, is the docuseries out already, like on netflix or something? We don't have much streaming services, so I don't know where it would come out on. keep up the great work!

  • @DannyAGray
    @DannyAGray Před 2 měsíci +5

    This is deaf defining!

    • @thestickofjoseph
      @thestickofjoseph  Před 2 měsíci +3

      Reload the page. Sometimes it does that if you are one of the first to click.

  • @captainsirk1173
    @captainsirk1173 Před 2 měsíci +5

    I’m kind of surprised that so many evangelicals jump on stuff like Jesus being satan’s brother when one of the implications of our doctrine is the idea that there are some things that God just can’t do. You’d think that’d be more controversial, but maybe it has the advantage of being self evident. God couldn’t save mankind without sending Jesus Christ. There are some things that God could not teach us without sending us here.
    I do have one interesting question for the “God created demons and evil people” crowd.” Do evil people deserve the chance to exist? Would it have been right for God to say, “well I know this person will never be like me, and will never overcome any of the selfish and perverse ideas of their heart, so I guess I just won’t let them live.”

    • @HaleStorm49
      @HaleStorm49 Před 2 měsíci +5

      They already believe there are things God can't do. Ask them why they don't believe in Exaltation.
      God either lacks the power or the will.

  • @laynehansen6216
    @laynehansen6216 Před 2 měsíci

    Great content y'all.

  • @outof_obscurity
    @outof_obscurity Před 2 měsíci +2

    34:00 yes I agree. It's more so the old testament that was lost. It's pretty obvious when reading the new testament they had other books of scripture they quote in the nt we don't have today to refer to.

  • @garrymoss8021
    @garrymoss8021 Před 2 měsíci +9

    Have you seen the haters who hate the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints! Yes, it is obvious to me that I definitely have a different Jesus than they do, nor would I ever consider following that kind of Jesus.

    • @ItsSnagret
      @ItsSnagret Před 2 měsíci

      Yes! I don’t want to follow their monster of Jesus

  • @harambeboy
    @harambeboy Před 2 měsíci

    the domes on this episode are top tier

  • @seanandsaraannestorms
    @seanandsaraannestorms Před měsícem

    ❤❤❤

  • @AnthonyYandow
    @AnthonyYandow Před 2 měsíci +1

    Take a look at "The Ancient Tradition" podcast. Id like to hear your take on it. I love Jacob's perspective on most things. Thanks for having him on.

  • @JohnSmith-lm9gr
    @JohnSmith-lm9gr Před 2 měsíci +2

    11:08 finally somone else said it. Lucifer's plan wasn't to make pupits of everyone. No one would agree to that. His plan was do whatever you want. No consequences. Everyone gets a prize. If your choice doesn't matter, did you ever have a choice? No, and that is how he would have destroyed the agency of man. He didn't change his plan when he was rejected.
    He went to the garden and tried to fulfill the role of the God in giving the fruit to Adam & Eve. Now they are his followers, he gets to be the Savior. He still teaches his plan, if he gets enough people to follow, Father will have to repent. I think that is what he is going for.
    Strange how too much mercy is no mercy at all. There must be justice, and pain, and consequences. If we stay silent to spare someone's feelings, or give everyone a trophy so they don't feel bad, whose plan are we following.

  • @ItsSnagret
    @ItsSnagret Před 2 měsíci +1

    Slaycob Hansen at it again 💪🏻

  • @chuckintexas
    @chuckintexas Před 2 měsíci +1

    "Getting rid of standards ..." I'd never considered _that_ , my free will being so important to me . Not sacrificing my testimony of Moral Agency on the altar of personal speculation, I see also the place in truth - for the concept of the removal of standards in the Doctrine of The Fall - an extension of the Fall in the pre-existent War against God , and against US .

  • @woodwarddlw
    @woodwarddlw Před měsícem +1

    I was certified by John Covey, Stephen's brother who help him develop the 7 habits. When John found out I was a member, he pulled me aside and told me the 7 habits are the gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • @cantdance9786
    @cantdance9786 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I can hear! I can hear! No for real though. Sounds great! 👍

  • @eveelane2806
    @eveelane2806 Před 10 hodinami

  • @Mrs.Watcher
    @Mrs.Watcher Před měsícem

    I just watched a video today about Christianity in Japan in the early 1600's. And something really stick out to me that relates to this discussion.
    And I'm paraphrasing here, but the leaders in Japan seeking to eradicate the Christians basically Said "Your Christian God created all the suffering on earth, no wonder you nailed him to a cross and killed him"
    This stuck out to me because of the irony that Christ would give his life for our suffering, at the hands of people taking his life for our suffering.

  • @oooee
    @oooee Před měsícem +1

    If you liked Covey's 7 Habits, you should read Covey's The Divine Center which explains the habits in the context of the Gospel.

  • @gustavoabalos3783
    @gustavoabalos3783 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Jacob write a book about " God is not the problem" will be great!!!

  • @JakeHansenMusic1996
    @JakeHansenMusic1996 Před 2 měsíci

    Would’ve loved to hear you guys get into what the law actually is. so much to unpack in that and even what justice means.

  • @BishopofBayeux
    @BishopofBayeux Před měsícem

    Great discussion thank you. Around the 46 min mark you were discussing the kingdom of heaven. It was said that it is a utopian vision. I don’t like this but I can accept it. As was pointed out, modern attempts at utopia have ended in violence. I see a modern attempt in full swing in our education system. D.E.I. Is neo Marxism. When I speak with advocates for this ideology they clearly state that government systems need to be in place to change society. Exactly as was said in your discussion. I find it so interesting that this ideology professes to desire a society where everyone loves and accepts each other but they believe that can achieve it through force. I love D&C 121:37 authority is s lost when an individual exercises control, dominion or compulsion on others. I appreciated Luke 17:21 that the kingdom is in our hearts. It happens from the inside out.
    Why is it that many people truly desire the peace and love of the kingdom yet refuse to even entertain the idea of Christ and organized religion?

  • @deerjerkydave
    @deerjerkydave Před 2 měsíci

    Because nobody knows the future with absolute certainty, all choices with desired outcomes are made in faith.

  • @teti_99
    @teti_99 Před 2 měsíci

    Love to see it. Jesus is the Christ. The Son of God. The book is blue, the church is true 💯🫡🤝🏽

  • @Bloomsewing_studio
    @Bloomsewing_studio Před 2 měsíci +3

    Wow never been the first to the video or the comments.

  • @KendraAndTheLaw
    @KendraAndTheLaw Před 8 dny

    Answer: yes

  • @jimwettstein6312
    @jimwettstein6312 Před 2 měsíci +2

    We must understand that even God the Father must adhere to eternal laws of godhood and the celestial realm, for He is a celestial being. If he doesn't he will no longer be God. Thus, within those encompassing laws, the sinful are lost and cannot return to his presence, UNLESS the Atonement and a Savior was established, which meets the laws of justice, and introduces the laws of mercy that allow Jesus Christ to claim us, and cover our sins, if we repent and embrace his atonement for ourselves. Otherwise we remain fallen and list until we change or pay for our own sins ourselves.

  • @dmitrynikiforov1986
    @dmitrynikiforov1986 Před 2 měsíci

    I love your channel, guys, thank you for what you do. I enjoy it a lot. But those wires, man, please hide them, they are a distraction 😅

  • @toriagardner1365
    @toriagardner1365 Před 2 měsíci +1

    How do I get the David Butler book?

  • @godsoffspring4195
    @godsoffspring4195 Před 2 měsíci +4

    The Book of Mormon and the Bible teach that Jesus is the one eternal God who is the principle creator of the earth and it's heaven. There is no other. Neither book says Jesus is the only God in the Universe. In fact... both Books tell us He has a Father!! :>)

  • @gbengoosewuru4139
    @gbengoosewuru4139 Před 2 měsíci +8

    Non-LDS Christians dont believe in a different Jesus. They just dont know him as well as LDS do.
    Because we know him so well, they think it's a different Jesus.

    • @Azriel640
      @Azriel640 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I have that same view. We just know more about Him and invite others to do the same

    • @chuckintexas
      @chuckintexas Před 2 měsíci +1

      Simple and to the point. Well said .

    • @tomaswmitchellphotography
      @tomaswmitchellphotography Před 2 měsíci

      To some extent I disagree. They believe in the Trinity, we don’t. They believe Jesus was the earthly manifestation of God on earth, we don’t. They can not explain the nature of God and Christ, we can. Yes we both worship a Jesus that suffered and died on the cross for our sins but they worship a Christ who is the same being as the Father, we worship a Christ who is the spiritual and earthly Son of the Father. We worship a different Jesus than they do. Just accept it for what it is and why they don’t like us.

  • @derek_davidson
    @derek_davidson Před 2 měsíci +5

    Anybody else not have audio?

    • @thestickofjoseph
      @thestickofjoseph  Před 2 měsíci +3

      Reload the page. Sometimes it does that if you are one of the first to click.

    • @MemyzelphandI
      @MemyzelphandI Před 2 měsíci +1

      You're lucky!

  • @TheJanesaw
    @TheJanesaw Před 2 měsíci

    1:04:58 Jacob shares the stated objective found in the title page and this is a great example of how the BofM can have many themes. The upcoming book that these guys have written from what I have watched has a different BofM theme and perspective. Can they both be true? I say yes.

  • @ponkerfickledude3852
    @ponkerfickledude3852 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I love everybody in this comment section

  • @sevilnatas
    @sevilnatas Před 2 měsíci

    Kookoo!!

  • @MrMocheeks
    @MrMocheeks Před 2 měsíci +1

    Is the book gonna be digital?

  • @Tofflemire5
    @Tofflemire5 Před 2 měsíci +2

    They believe in the correct one. If you believe in a God and Christ different than the LDS, read and study more.

  • @ronbrewer4632
    @ronbrewer4632 Před 2 měsíci

    Here is some thinking .you could not develop faith if you new everything and If you new everything you would be a God. You are not a God but neather is a baby an adult. This is why I say that the essence or purposes of life is growth and becoming and to overcome .christ overcome the world and so can we. Covenants great job guys .

  • @eternalskywalker9440
    @eternalskywalker9440 Před měsícem

    Brother Covey wrote another book before 7 Habits. It was called Spiritual Roots of Human Relationships. Same principles. Not nearly as popular.

  • @kenton6804
    @kenton6804 Před měsícem +1

    When is Jacob going to write a book?

  • @CuriousThinker1776
    @CuriousThinker1776 Před 20 dny +1

    At the 15:40 mark, Jacob says people are falling away and lumps Baptists with atheists and vague spiritualists and says they lack the foundation in Christ. Is he saying he doesn't think Baptists are Christians? BTW, I am LDS , not Baptist. I am just confused how he groups them together like that.

  • @zionmama150
    @zionmama150 Před 2 měsíci +1

    23:40 although, Christ did say that he is the “law”…

  • @whyisgamora3721
    @whyisgamora3721 Před 2 měsíci +3

    Communication has two parts: content and delivery. Often delivery is of greater importance than the content. Some friendly unsolicited feedback to Brother Hansen: I like a lot of what you say, but I suggest you think more about putting the spirit of the message at the top of your own priority tree so that your logical appeals will go farther.

    • @tdijon7
      @tdijon7 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I think he does that quite well.

  • @NKDV76
    @NKDV76 Před 2 měsíci

    So millions by now have seen the secret recorded videos of inside the temple ceremonies. WHOOPS

  • @KC12248
    @KC12248 Před 25 dny +1

    My Mormon friends tell me they believe in Jesus of Nazareth which is the same Jesus that all other Christians believe. Just because one Christian sect believes differently doesn’t mean that others should then say they believe in a different Jesus. They just believe in different principles than you do! That’s it! Christians all of sects/faiths should be rallying together right now and not dividing given the world we are living in!!

    • @richarner3856
      @richarner3856 Před 25 dny

      The LDS Jesus had to earn his way to Godhood like all the other gods before him..
      John 1:1-3 shows us who Jesus truly is❤

    • @BrentSohlden
      @BrentSohlden Před 19 dny

      Jesus is both

    • @BrentSohlden
      @BrentSohlden Před 19 dny

      But satan's firstborn son does go out there deceiving many Believers. This copycat Jesus deceives many churches

    • @BrentSohlden
      @BrentSohlden Před 19 dny

      Son not sin

    • @BrentSohlden
      @BrentSohlden Před 19 dny

      We will not be big G gods