Pokémon Emerald is Worse Than You Remember
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I have ten but I've cut it down to five.
1- Rivals: Post game final battle with Brendan/May and give Wally the last starter.
2- Champion: Make it a player's choice on who ends up being the champion.
3- Feebas / Trendy Phrase House: Hated this mechanic, so please make Feebas easier to find and evolve and repurpose the Dewford TP House into a place you can trade items and Pokemon. Evo items, TMS, Kanto and Johto Pokemon and Lucky eggs.
4- Secret Bases Search: Have you staff's characters and characters from past games have secret bases you can find and battle in, with clues to the final base location.
5- Pokeballs: Pretty sure this is not plausible but how about having traded and gift Pokemon Pokeballs be something other than the generic red/white one.
It seems that, I'm going to miss Wallace as Champion in Pokémon Emerald Legacy. The votes were very disheartening. Out of the two Hoenn Champion people preferred, it's very disheartening to see Wallace get a pathetic 6% out of all the total votes. It really upset me that Steven got 94% out of all the total votes for preferred Hoenn League Champion. It's not fair many people voted for Steven because Wallace's team is super effective against Steven's Pokémon and most people voted for Steven only because of nostalgia. The preferred Hoenn League Champion poll you made was rigged right from the start. You shouldn't have made that poll.
As miniscule as it is to list this as a change. Change the Zigzagoon that chases Professor Birch in Emerald back to a Poochyena like it was in Ruby and Sapphire.
Do you know what would be a really cool idea I know you mentioned towards the end of the video that you wish that Emerald had a few more double battles in it well what about this idea since gen 3 was the birthplace of double battles why not give every single trainer/gym leader/evil team member/elite four members/champion a “Yes or No” prompt before you start the battle with them asking if you want to participate in a single battle or a double battle? I just think that would be so cool and gen 3 would be the perfect gen to do it with sense like I said before double battles were created there so theoretically every single trainer in that region in a real world scenario would be up for doing a double battle of course you don’t have to make every single team including random trainers double battle ready/specialist but just getting the option to pick different people to double battle that we couldn’t double battle before would be insanely cool like imagine going through the entire game choosing to pick the option to double battle everybody that would create a totally new and awesome experience for people to participate in it almost reminds me of how the old gamecube Colosseum and Gale of darkness (which both games were gen 3 by the way) was to where you had to go through the whole game doing double battles but in those ones you were forced to have double battles but in this Emerald game at least having the option to double battle or single battle anybody would be incredible like a imagine being able to have the option to double battle Stephen as the champion like that would be crazy.
Is not that people don't like Wallace. It's that people really love steven
Tbh I was just bored of water trainers by then.
After the 7th gym its all team aqua, then a water gym, then 3rd member of E4 is majority water and then a water champion.
True, after all the Aqua, and like third of the world map being ocean and thus swimmer's, and a water gym, last thing we want is a water champion.
An entire near-endgame with water.
Team aqua needing to be taken down.
A final water gym leader AND Wallace, as well as
Sydney having 1 water type.
Glacia having 3 water types.
Drake having 1 water type.
Steves pokemon were also "rarer" to see, and much more exciting.
Yeah Wallace was meh and just another water type trainer. He didn't have nearly as much of an identity as Steven.
No, i don't like Wallace
Make Groudon’s half of the screen land instead of putting him on a rock in the middle of the ocean 💀
They really said Water Supremacy
Groudon:"You overgrown fish are still on your mission to spite me, aren't you!?"
Overgrown Fish:"Heh. Maybe."
Well Groudon can create land under its feet, so it's fine.
The way i see it kyogre is sarrounded, what's under the ocean that's right more land
Maybe Groudon creates a volcanic island that grows a little bit during the cutscene.
"I'm not a nerd. I'm an experienced ass player"
So.. a Nerd?
Nerds come in many shapes and sizes
A nerd's nerd
no just an experienced ass player
@@JohnnyVincent420So...a nerd.
*copium*
The thing that gets me about the rival caring more about completing the Pokedex than battling is you would think they would at least have a full team and maybe get new party members regularly. Imagine if like N they had new team members each fight along with their starter.
I thought your rival's impotence was a perfect analogy for the weak sauce they used to build this game.
This is a great idea. You'd never know what to expect, which adds a different type of challenge.
Don't N just use whatever Poke is found in the area you are battling him?
Here's my take on the champion situation - Steven should be the champion initially. After you defeat him, he takes a step back from the Elite Four and goes back to his house to geek out over fossils. Wallace then takes over as champion for all the rematches.
You can have a rematch with Steven in his home. You're his bro, he would always make time for you. I think this would be satisfying for players, and makes perfect sense story wise.
Edit: Some people have mentioned the rematch with Steven taking place at Meteor Falls or in some post game event story. I think this setting would be a lot more exciting than going to his house, thanks for the idea!
This…actually makes a ton of sense and sounds amazing
that makes a ton of sense actually, i really like that
What about the new area in Meteor Falls you get to fight Steven in the main game? I'd still probably move his second fight there and then all rematches could be in his house.
@@AedraRising Yeah man I like that! If they end up adding all the event content for the post game you could add Steven in to the story beats (if he wasn't there before) and battle him again too!
I actually typed out this idea before looking through the comments lmao. I think this would be a really good way to go about it
One thing that I find downright criminal in Hoenn is that they made a Bug/Water type and then took it away by turning it into just another Bug/Flying type.
Yes. Surskit should have stayed Bug-Water type when he evolves. It was a unique type combination at the time.
Surskit is extremely hard to even find in Emerald. You have to trade it in from Ruby and Sapphire or use the enigmatic newsflash system to find it
The evolved form even has water puns in its Japanese name as well as the English name. It is made to be a Water type.
They did this with Nincada too. Yes at least there's Shedinja, but Ninjask is, again, Bug/Flying while Nincada was Bug/Ground! To this day our only fully evolved Bug/Ground type is Sand Cloak wormadam; and I get why a cicada wouldn't keep the ground type; but they made 2 unique type combos for the time and both Surskit and Nincada then gained a type seen multiple times before AND elsewhere in the game. Lunacy
I didn't know that masquerain wasn't a water type! That is a really dumb decision, especially because it would buff his water moves that he learns.
This is my own personal nitpick, but GOD I wish that we could combine the Mach and Acro bike, or at least have the option to "upgrade" during the story so that you don't need to backtrack halfway across the region to access one hyper-specific spot on the map !!!
It's in Mauville City near the Pokemon Center. Not hard to find and Fly makes it easy to get to. You saying "hyper-specific" makes it sound like it's in a secret location on one of the routes.
@@nicholascooney it's more getting back to the point where the other bike is needed that's the annoying part
@@nicholascooney i believe they meant you're in the middle of a long ass cave and have to backtrack all the way and then making all the way again into the cave or into the forest and stuff
Honestly, one of the ways you could make Emerald better is by expanding the dex a bit.
Balance out the huge gaps in type distribution by throwing in some more Kanto and Johto mons at reasonable spawn rates.
1: I’d love to see a Winstrate family rematch that scales with your gym Badges.
2: Gym leader rematches with the option to choose single or double battles
I did always like that the mentioned WInstrate son shows up in Victory Road, that was such a cool payoff
@@dvillines26 now I’m thinking the son should also show up for the final battle along with the rest of the family for a 1 v 5
Having the Winstrate family be repeatable after each badge would be nice. A little bit of extra cash. then to see the son be an actual beast in Victory road would be nice.
@@dvillines26 the problem is it's kinda underwhelming iirc, and there's nothing that comes of it once you beat him, no acknowledgement of it from the family they keep going on about how he'll destroy you, even long after you destroyed him
Their strongest trainer should also appear he appeared in the anime he showed a shiny swellow and Alakazam
Other difficult normal trainer battle: Just after Fortree, there are two trainers set up to spot you simultaneously for a double battle. It’s naturally raining, and they have a Milotic and a thunder Manectric.
My Nuzlockes have lost way too many friends to this pair ^^
Some of the trainers in Norman's Gym can be problematic, like the guy with Swords Dancing Zangoose.
I believe in emerald the Milotic got changed to a rain form castform
Cooltrainer Jennifer had a Milotic in the rain on Route 120 in Ruby and Sapphire. Needless to say, that was a very rough fight. Her sole Milotic is downgraded to Sableye in Emerald.
The only other normal trainers that gave me any challenge were because of running suboptimal teams. Winstrate Vicky on Route 111 was only tough because my team could not handle Hi Jump Kick Meditite at the end of three consecutive fights. Psychic Kayla at Mt. Pyre leads with a Wobbuffet that is only hard because Shadow Tag was introduced.
one thing that i felt emerald did REALLY WELL was the gym puzzles. its so unique for each gym and not to mention things like the trick house, strength boulder puzzles that really sit with me till this day. i still remember trying to figure out the rotating puzzle from Winnona's gym and the correct pattern for Juan's gym, its amazing
"As a pro" Sir, your opinion is discarded. Nostalgia wins the day.
I wish you could find Bagon more realistically without just *knowing* where to look. It's only in a single tiny room you normally only cross three tiles in. It feels like it should be present at a lower encounter rate (2%?) throughout the whole basement.
Same for Feebas.
Eh, I think it makes sense. Pseudo legendaries in the earlier gens were supposed to be very rare. There's a reason why Dratini was only available through the Game Corner and the Safari Zone in the Kanto games and why Gible is in a very well hidden cave in Sinnoh.
@aedrarising2760 Dratini is available in the Game Corner as you said, Larvitar is in a much larger cave, and Gible is in the entire basement, and not even a rare encounter down there.
In contrast, Bagon is only found in a secret area that's far too small to even imply you might find different pokemon there, in the back of an already secret area barred by Waterfall.
To make Bagon comparable to the others, I think it's fair to put it throughout the basement area where you need Waterfall to get to it, and leave it at a lower encounter rate. Then, where Bagon is originally found, you can also add a small chance of finding Shelgon. (Dragonair and Pupitar could similarly be found).
Also, Gabite is pretty common in Victory Road in Platinum, too. Which is fair game to compare since we're talking about Emerald here. And it would definitely make sense to find Shelgon in Victory Road as well.
Also, let's not forget that Beldum is outright *given* to you. Beldum should've been found in Victory Road or Meteor Falls as well.
I agree, but I think is like, ok. Since I have the information I can get it easily. The worst is Feebas that you suffer to get EVEN WITH INFORMATION.
@@aurafox1 I use walk through walls to hit that location as soon as I can!
One part of the game I loved was fighting the winstrate family back to back. They let you know what you're about to get into, and they aren't half bad. But if you could revamp their team a little as well as their moved set, I always thought the grandmother should have more than a meditite.
I remember the NPC with the Milotic in the rainy route to Lilycove. That was surprisingly challenging
As far as the Battle System specifically is concerned, I would strongly argue that Gen4 is the 1.0 version, at least of the ruleset.
We went from OG -> Special stat split & held items -> abilities and double battles -> physical/special split. Gen5 and onwards didn't introduce any groundbreaking permanent changes. Gen5 gave us hidden abilities (or dream world abilities back then) and then we got a gimmick that only applies to select Pokémon with Mega evo, Z moves that are an improvement in so far as they apply to every one, and then a hybrid of the latter two that also replaced them.
Outside of that, reusable TMs are an incredibly impactful feature which encourages you to actually experiment with movesets instead of giving you an item you'll never use because it's unique and non renewable and you don't want to waste it, and that's a Gen5 change. Gen7 got rid of HMs.
Overall I'd say that Gen4 is the finished version of the game because the combat rules are the core mechanic of these games everything else is built around.
Gen 6 added a new type, and otherwise changed the type chart. Coupled with being a new timeline, you might want to call it 2.0.
Let me cook...
Imagine Steven as champion &...
Juan and Wallace Tag Battle gym fight with Wally as your tag battle partner!
This idea has got to be the best! I hope it gets seen.
I get the feeling he wants to move Glacia to the 8th gym (it does have a very icy feel) and demote Wallace to E4. Maybe Juan gets a cameo or something.
But, the problem with that @KayJordan17, is that the gym battle before Sootopolis is also a double battle with Tate and Liza, and it would be too drastic to make a double battle fight with an NPC character on your side to fight with against Juan and Wallace. The point that he's trying to do with the Legacy series is to keep most of what the original games have, while adding things that would make sense and would not be too drastic. A new and unique double-format gym battle would not make sense at all for the purposes that I've said earlier.
LET THIS MAN COOK!
ooh now this is an awesome idea!
That is pretty epic
Honestly, introducing Wallace with the contests makes sense for his character. The first city with a contest, you run into him, he gives a brief synopsis about contests, how they work, etc etc, but he doesn’t bring up the fact that he’s a champion. Sometimes you’ll see him standing by a contest stadium and he’ll give tips about them or something, but I’m just spitballing.
Somewhat like seeing cynthia around for the first time and knowing nothing about her
I got this idea from Wallace being Ruby’s mentor in the PKmN Adventures Comics
Makes perfect sense to me. 👍
Doesn’t really work in Emerald, I’m afraid. Three of the four contest halls got converted into the way less interesting Battle Tents in Emerald leaving only the Lilycove Contest Hall. With only one Hall and it being so late in the game, it wouldn’t provide enough opportunities to meet with Wallace. It’d still be better than the nothing we currently have, but not nearly as good as it would have been in Ruby/Sapphire where there are four Halls to work with.
@@FireFog44 Very good point actually. Maybe meeting him somewhat early just at *random*, (just because I have no idea how or why you would run into him early), but he introduces the existence OF a contest which could leave new players wondering “What in the world is he talking about”, until they reach Lilycove. Maybe have an NPC or two bring up Wallace’s name just to show the player that he has SOME relevance
I always thought it would be so cool if Wally and your rival had an interaction around the point where your rival takes a step back as a way to remind you that Wally is training and coming for the title
YES, maybe Wally has just beaten Norman when you show up to fight him!
He should appear in the power plant without saying too much
@@steegen101 That honestly sounds kind of genius! A reunion at the place where you two first met, and having him say he just beat your dad would help establish his growing strength before the fight, showing that he has come a long way since that catching tutorial, just as you have. I've also heard others suggest giving him the Whismur line, since it's found in Rusturf Tunnel and also sort of mirrors his growth from timid boy to strong trainer.
"That was the team everyone ran as a kid right?" My dude most kids teams consisted of their starter and hm/revive fodder taking up the other 5 slots until getting Rayquaza
The thing is, if Glacia was running hail strats, they could have given her Castform. Sure, Castform is weak, but it would have at least been unique compared to 2 Sealeo and 2 Glalie
I know it's probably outside the scope of the project, but I also always wanted to see a sandstorm form for Castform
Castform could also offer great coverage, with Flamethrower and Thunderbolt.
They also could've given Castform a Sand stream Form
Castform should automatically set the weather move in his 4th moveslot.
@@renatoramos8834 Or 1st, since we already have a move dependent on the 1st moveslot (Conversion)
Couple things:
1. With how many HMs are needed here, I recommend incorporating a feature that allows the use of HMs without teaching them, as long as you have a Pokemon with you that could learn them. There is a tutorial online for adding that to the decomp.
2. I really like the idea of giving Wally a Whismur. He goes to live with his family in the town that Rusturf Tunnel connects to, and I feel its line really fits his story of a weak, shy boy coming into his own. An early battle with Ralts and Whismur would contrast nicely with a final battle including Gardevoir and Exploud.
36:55 I think Gamefreak's obsession with making ice type a late game thing is two-fold: 1) Ice was originally the only weakness to dragons, and early gen dragons were intentionally designed to be the Pseudo-legendaries, making ice a late game typing makes it so they reveal this right before dragons, 2) Mountains are seen as difficult to traverse and therefore more challenging, so icy mountains are seen as something you need experience to go to, not just something any kid can do easily. I'd love to see a game where you start in a mountain, and have to deal with ice types early on.
Would be interesting if you played in a colder region, similar to Sinnoh, or you start in the north of the region to justify seeing a lot of ice pokemon early on.
The ice gym was actually kind of tough in GEN four.
It’s more difficult than the eighth.
Pokemon unbound is very similar to what sort of game you wish for
also from a mechanical standpoint, Ice is one of if, if not the best offensive type in the game, with so many powerhouse Pokemon being 2x or 4x weak to it. It's just downright atrocious defensively to balance it out, which is ironic considering Game Freak's obsession with making defensive ice types with relatively weak offensive stats. Personally I think Ice fits best as an early-midgame gym, where its strong offensive potential is threatening and the natural restriction in team options mean its lacking defenses aren't as prominent
My biggest pet peeve is the bike music. It immediately knocks out all the regional ost and I can only start the bike next to a route border
Lots of really unique pokemon in this game that needed more love. Whismur, Mawile, Castform, Tropius and more all felt like there should have been some crazy strategy that made them really scary, but Gamefreak forgot to put it in the game
If we're talking story, Exploud is more than viable with access to a wide TM pool and decent stats. No buff needed
Castform is a gimmick and can't change very much, but maybe making it so not all of its stats are 70 would be good
Mawile can be found relatively early and doesn't evolve but that shouldn't be a reason for it to be below average. Best things it got for itself are its mediocre Attack and Defense stats which are 85 and the rest are 50/55. Making it so it has a bit more of a balanced range would be a good start, and give it actual STAB while you're at it, like Iron Tail or at the very least Metal Claw
Aaaaaand I've got nothing for Tropius that thing has no reason to be this bad
@@CheeseBlaster I think you missed his point that the whole issue IS that they made castform a gimmick rather than a cool and rare pokemon with unique battle features that weren't fully realized. He only needs buffed a little bit though I'd say. I'm no expert in how that works though or how much to buff them. I'd say probably 10-15 stats more at least.
@@50zezimaOne cool element of Castform is that it is the only ice type available for Winona unless you delay her gym a lot.
@@CheeseBlasterpretty sure mawile in emerald can only be found in victory road. It was version exclusive with sableye in ruby/saphire where they both would have been found in dewford. In emerald sableye got to stay in dewford cave but mawile got bumped to victory road, which with its stats made it totally unplayable that late in the game.
And Plusle and Minun
and somehow gorebyss, huntail, lanturn, and relicant arent used! juan deserved them
Especially since you have to dive to get to Sootopolis!
Gorebyss would’ve fit him so well! It’s a beautiful Pokémon but also a little creepy from its dex entries. Gorebyss also is nothing to snuff at. I used one in a Ruby nuzlocke and it was really strong
@Radiogumdand and Gorebyss kinda fit with Wallace's Milotic in terms of looks
Y'know, beautiful water type pokemon, and Juan and Wallace are all about beauty
Someone on victory road uses a lanturn... with earthquake...
Lanturn is more of a wattson Pokémon
I Gave wattson a chinchou
To FIX gym 8 make that A DOUBLE BATTLE with rival Wally as your partner vs Juan n Wallace
Bold n it's in the spirit of gen 3
You could delete Juan and replace him with Wallace and make Steven champ then have his champ fight be a rematch.
I actually think the rival's unevolved starter in the final battle is really thematically appropriate. While it's a bit sad to not get to see that evolution, that just helps to drive home the fact that you and your rival simply don't share the same values. I just think the rival's story should be accelerated, so we don't get that disappointing fight at the end of the game.
A more out there change would be to lean into the fact Sidney has two grass types and make him a grass type elite 4. Breloom and sceptile both fit his aesthetic.
Would be a good way to challenge Swampert as well
nutshell: we shouldnt fight AGAINST wally more than in the OG games, but he could make for a great double-battle teammate mid-game. he could also pop up in increasingly random places, showing his growing confidence and his ability to explore and enjoy the outside world.
details: i like the idea of wally as a surprising big fight, so having a fight against him in the mid-game feels counter that. he works best as a surprising titan. the sickly boy turned force of nature.
so...what if we get one mid-game fight with him... but as an ally. we stumble upon him getting cornered by evil team grunts. we jump in to save him, but before the fight begins, he interjects, asking to fight alongside you. its a relatively low stakes fight for you, but big progress for him. he has a kirlia now, and maybe one other early evo of his final team. still no good movesets yet, but he is starting to branch out. after the fight, he says he's happy he stood up for himself, but you are so far above him.
in later encounters, you see him in the world map... if he sees you, he gets the trainer battle exclamation point and rushes to you... but then he's just happy to see you. he asks if its okay if you DONT fight, claiming he's not ready yet. but maybe one day. in the meantime, he remarks about the beauty of the area, and comments about rare pokemon he has seen there (this helps as a red-herring. giving him dex/exploration purpose instead of combat). maybe he tosses you a decent nature/culture themed item. lava cookies, rare berries, and the herbal medicines, are all on theme. estsblish him as a support. someone who admires and learns from you. but after the loss in front of gym 3, he never talks about challenging you. you are too far above him.
and maybe the exploration theme can help in the late game. pacifidlog town is oddly entirely optional in the story. what if at some point, he calls you and asks to meet there?
in pacifidlog town, he small talks about the thrill of riding the currents, but then brings up sky tower. something amazing is there, but its too dangerous for him/he cant figure out how to get in. nobody else believes him about the place being special, but he trusts you. maybe you can check it out sometime? this helps him/the town be relevant in-story without being a spotlight. if i recall correctly, at the time wallace asks you where to find Rayquay, you can say Sky Tower without ever having been there. this wally scene helps fix that.
and then, next you see him, is victory road, with a scary team of some of the best the region has to offer.
obviously, these are hefty changes. i dont blame your team if you dont go this route, but i hope this can at least help ideation.
Wally as a double battle partner against Aqua/Magma IS the play, absolutely. I agree he shouldn't actually be fought until the end, but having him as a doubles partner allows you to see his growth as a trainer without coming up against him.
Love this idea!
No, Steven should still be Champ.
Okay potentially crazy idea for the Wally fight: All he’s got is a single Kirlia. The battle starts with 2 opposing Mightyena. He’ll start by firing off a confusion on one of them, not realizing it’s immune. He’ll then get really needy and just spam Calm Mind, trying to get a grip after being able to do nothing. Yes, he’ll be useless in this double battle, but the enemies don’t have to be strong. Having essentially a 2v1 could make for an interesting fight against low-level grunts, while advancing Wally’s story.
I like this idea but as someone making their own emerald rom hack I can attest that making team up double battles is next to impossible without using decomps, whereas Smith and team are using binary hacking from what I can tell. The sprites exist for you to do double battles with Wally, your rival and Steven (obviously) but the game's code treats the Steven team up battle as a special event that can't easily be replicated. I hope they can pull it off because it's something I wanted to implement but don't get your hopes up as it's not as easy as you'd think it should be.
If i was making my perfect emerald for myself, one of my requirements would be preserving my ability to play with friends which is a lot more restrictive than it seems at first (no type changes, no moves on obtainable pokemon that can't be learned by TM/tutor/FRLG/HM/egg, no illegal pokemon, no new pokemon, no physical/sepcial split, etc).
I would so love the tweaks you're getting at with trainer/leader/elites team composition, maybe also an update to the wild pokemon* and trainer AI to make them feel a bit smarter (*at least against pokemon similar to the others found on its route), and tweaks to make the story feel better. maybe even giving the elite 4 some pokemon from the national dex to fill out their parties...
other than that, I would mostly just want QOL features like: better menu navigation (pls let me wrap around to the bottom/top of a list), better interaction with things in the world like berries, earlier access to HM removal or a way to bypass the need for HM slaves, streamlined repels, sending excess items to PC like it does with pokemon, buying extra copies of TMs, pokeball replacement when possible, better swapping between bikes, more details about IVs/EVs/SID (maybe with devon scope), making some rare events more common like the lilycove sale or mirage island, auto turnaround when using the pokecentre, not needing to backtrack for the exp share or having a story cue to backtrack, some kind of hint at which tiles are feebas tiles, etc...
the QOL features are sooooo needed, especially a way to bypass needing HM slaves
sending extra items to the pc rather than just not letting you pick it up would be *amazing* (maybe could add similar for the fossil pokemon, and other events like it, rather than being required to have open slot in your party?) it would be nice to be able to send daycare pokemon/eggs to the pc too imo..?
I totally agree that rare events need to be made more common, its so frustrating that items needed to expand a bunch of secret base layouts are restricted to chance.
Similar with the feebas tiles its just needlessly hard to get one without knowing how to find the tiles, maybe attaching a functionality similar to the itemfinder to something like the devon scope like you suggested for details on IVs/EVs/SID?
Emerald is a masterpiece. Not having this absoloute slander.
The biggest issue with Brawly is that he literally can't touch you if you use a Sableye.
Rock Tomb has entered the chat- HP Rock would be cool too.
I honestly don't see this as an issue. I see this as one of those rewarding things.
I wouldn't call Sableye a good Pokemon other than the fact that it has a good type matching. What this does mechanically is show type matchups and that if you look around the area, you'll be able to find something to help you out.
That is where I think Watson falls flat though. I don't think making you backtrack proves anything. They could has easily added a cave nearby for you to be able to get a Geodude there for the ground typing against his electric typing
Don't forget that Dustox and Beautifly are also available and (especially the former) turn him into a complete joke thanks to supereffective moves and quad-resisting every attack his team has.
norman also has serious difficulty with a toxic sableye
To be fair, Ice types are generally shafted. The first time you can truly do an ice type nuzlocke is gen 8 with the wild area. The ice routes, if they even exist, are always at the end of the game. Arguably the only early one is the cold complex in gen 5. And let's be honest, the fact that basically all water types learn Ice Beam or something equivalent makes ice types never a desired type for playthroughs anyway.
That just gives more of a reason for them to be an early gym leader instead of a later gym/elite 4 member
The strangest thing is that Ice types aren't that bad. Articuno is cracked in Gen 1, Regice (if you could be bothered to slog through all that) is really powerful once you get a decent moveset on it, etc. For example, Ice is super effective against Grass, Flying, Ground, and Dragon, which is an excellent offensive spread, as it can hit both common and early game types like grass and flying while destroying later game and more competitive threats like Dragon and Ground. Its weaknesses aren't as bad as most make them out to be, either: Rock, Steel, Fire, Fighting. Fire and steel types you usually see coming, and Rock and Fighting are also somewhat predictable. The only major flaw in Ice types, type balance-wise, is that the only resistance it has is against Ice itself, so it takes neutral damage against anything that isn't Ice or super-effective. Even Normal type has more defenses, and that is saying something.
The real problems are that 1, Ice types, stat distribution-wise, are almost always slow, special defensive/special attackers, where their weaknesses are (before the physical/special split) mostly attack-based (fighting, rock, steel). Also, two of those types are THE most common secondary types to ground, and practically all ground types learn moves from them (plus fighting) regardless of being that type, so they can't safely take advantage of that super-effective typing either. Ice also suffers from water types being incredibly common, and said water types are the best walls against Ice types in the game, not to mention they also ALL learn Ice Beam, thus negating the purpose of an Ice type entirely. Just look at fire types, for example: while not quite as rare, and definitely earlier to access in the game, fire shares a lot of similarities in terms of coverage and weakness (super effective against grass/bug/ice/steel, two early game common types and two late game competitive types [ice being more theoretical here], and weak to water/ground/rock), but the key difference is here: the pokemon that are fire type, have decent stats particularly in either offensive speed or bulk (Camerupt and Magcargo being a notable exception, being 4x weak to water in an ocean sim game) and are ACTUALLY available for a large portion of the game.
Which brings us to the 2nd issue: Ice type pokemon are both rare and late game. They could be taken out of the game and it wouldn't matter (which should not be a thing). The type is practically only existing for Ice Beam and Blizzard to counter Dragon types, and since there are practically no Ice types, they felt obliged to give access to those moves to the myriad of water pokemon. What is the point of obtaining a pokemon type you have not seen before in all of the game (except maybe a castform?) that the best member of its roster is ANOTHER water type pokemon. Most first-time players of pokemon don't even realize there is an Ice type in the game until THE ELITE FOUR. For example, in every generation, almost everyone forgets that Shellder and Dewgong actually evolve into part Ice types (mostly because these also tend to be a late game addition, and sub-par to boot). So basically, there are no Ice types that aren't water, and the best "Ice types" aren't Ice at all, since Ice is super weak defensively and strong offensively.
And lastly, 3rd: Their movepools always seem to be utter trash. Typically, their move selection is weak, the possible strategies with them are also weak, they don't have other common secondary types in their movesets other than normal, and as stated beforehand, their two strongest moves are easily and readily available for practically every water type in the game. Game Freak basically just gave them the shaft since they needed a counter to Dragon types, but couldn't think of how to implement the type outside of cold caves. It's not like seasons exist, do they?
The best ways I see to fix Ice types would be to offer more utility for them. Let them resist Grass, Water, and Dragon at the very least (because that makes logical sense, and is actually more confusing as to why it didn't in the first place), find more places earlier on to find them (too bad adding a season mechanic would be excessive, but caves and maybe at night will have to do), and either make Ice type pokemon faster, or more bulky (especially in terms of defense, after all, isn't ice supposed to be kind of hard?). Also, hail should be a much scarier weather condition, or else it has no point even existing. I would go so far as to say that hail should be painful enough to consider counters to it (like perhaps an additional 30% damage for Ice, and weakening everything that isn't Ice, Rock, Steel by a similar amount [why rock and steel? Because, why would they get weakened? They are hard and more inorganic, so hail and the chill wouldn't affect them very much], so a sandstorm strat would also be a good option against them, and thus weather would be a good balancing tool. Sandstorm could then raise accuracy of the affiliated types while lowering everything else, for example, as well. Sun could hurt/weaken Ghost and Ice, and rain could also boost Ice a smaller amount, etc.).
I've always loved Ice types, but it is hard to love using them when the representatives of the type are always either unavailable until the late game, somewhat weak and underwhelming, and their roles are outclassed by the most common type (we're looking at you, Water) in practically every game.
@@adamwalker3560someone give me a TLDR
@@ciskeone Ice types could be good if placed earlier in the game with better movesets. Also give them some resistances
In Gen 5's case, it helps that you don't get an Ice Beam TM until post game, only Blizzard, so if you want a reliable Ice move, you kinda _need_ an Ice type that naturally learns it or accept that you're going to miss 30% of the time (or you could use a move reminder on Stoutland to teach it Ice Fang, I guess). Not to mention that - at least in my opinion - most of Unova's Water types feel a bit... underwhelming? Jellicent is great, Samurott and Carracosta are solid, Seismitoad, Simipour and Swanna (huh, all S) are... ok, while Basculin and Alomomola are "undesireable".
Then again, the Ice types aren't much better. I used Vanniluxe on my first playthrough and it was... alright, though it takes a while to become usable (I doubt it'd be of much help for Clay). Then you have Beartic, who has to rely on Icicle Crash, which is prone to missing, or Cryogonal, which seems alright too but has paper-thin physical defense.
"I would create a game that my nostalgia remembers"
I remember beating Wattson as an 8 year old by catching Minun and teaching it Rollout...I felt so smart! I even kept it for the whole run because I bonded with it over that gym. I think difficulties like that are good and rewarding, I had to think outside the box (as far as a kid can).
I did have an idea on how to fix the champion problem, and it involves taking inspiration from ORAS. So, like in Ruby and Sapphire, Steven will be the champion you fight at the end of the game.
However, once you beat him, he decides to go exploring in order to train, and so out of necessity, he appoints Wallace the champion in his place, and he's who you'll fight in the rematch. Meanwhile, after completing a certain post game event (maybe capturing Deoxys), you'll get a call from Mr Stone informing you that Steven is currently training in Meteor Falls, and has requested that you go there to battle him. You go, with a requirement to have beaten Wallace and sone other criteria, and you fight Steven again, maybe this time with a new Pokémon.
I like that
And it's not like Gamefreak is opposed to having different champions in the same game. In Black and White, you fight the E4 and then N is the champion (and there's a Ghetsis fight too), then in rematches with the E4 it's Alder as the champion.
@@DrMemeD302 Precisely. This makes both crowds happy, as both get to be champions.
This is a good solution to the Wallace and Steven issue
@@vajukal Thank you.
Give me that Steven Wallace double champion battle.
Would be amazing I love how this generation introduced doubles and having a champion double battle would free up some mons for my boy Juan!!
Also water steel work great together!
Us and May/Wally vs the double Champions.
OMG
this just makes too much sense. bringing in the new champ PLUS the old one with the new game mechanic introduced in this gen? Yes please.
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I think you're overestimating Tate and Lisa too much. You can cheese the whole fight with just two Dark types.
God I hate it when people claim they fix the "problems" and then proceed to only name completely subjective things that like no one agrees with.
The one thing I reall want to see is fixed level-up learnsets for pokemon. Hoenn really leaned into the idea of hiding moves on lower stage pokemon, so that you can get them if you hold off on evolving them. Encouraging you to have a little more challenge now for a stronger payoff later.
Unfortunately, they went way too far. Expecting you to keep Nincada until lvl 38 to learn Metal Claw, or have Trapinch learn Dig naturally at lvl 41, or let Treecko learn Giga Drain at lvl 45.
It's an interesting CONCEPT that Shroomish learns all the Grass moves and Breloom learns all the Fighting moves, but your Rival showcases why a late-game Shroomish is a bad idea. And holding off until level 54 just to get Spore is absurd.
This is an aspect of Gen 3 movesets that I appreciate, but they definitely went overboard. It's the sort of thing where it might make sense waiting 5 levels for a better move, but the cases where it's nearly 20 levels is absurd.
Like if Shroomish got Giga Drain at say, level 26, and then Spore at 30, I could see people being more willing to hold out. Though it'd also be nice if Breloom did eventually learn Spore regardless, even if it was at level 60 or something, just so you're not completely screwed out of getting it.
Spore Breloom is kind of busted though, so I comprehend why they'd want to hide that from all but the most dedicated players.
Golem learns Earthquake, Explosion, and Double Edge too late in Gen 3. I am playing Pokémon Sapphire and I plan on trading him to Pokémon Leaf Green so that he can learn Explosion and Double Edge earlier. They should have kept the same idea from Gen 2 for Golem's Gen 3 learnset.
@@dvillines26 I can understand the desire, but in practice it just means that most players would never figure out how to teach Breloom spore without a guide. And those that read a guide still probably wouldn't use it during a playthrough.
At that point even putting a Move Tutor for Spore hidden on an island somewhere feels preferable if it's meant to be a secret. Like how you can only get Softboiled in Kanto by backtracking to Celadon with Surf.
@@dvillines26 If by dedicated players you mean bringing a Shroomish to the Elite Four and evolving it in time for the Champion. Then sure.
One idea I had, that addresses the Steven-Wallace-Juan conundrum AND solves the issue of there being several Water-type specialists in the region:
Canonically, Juan was the Sootopolis Gym Leader prior to Wallace. More specifically, he was Wallace’s teacher. Emerald Legacy could do something similar to what Yellow Legacy did (ie. having Janine as a Fuchsia Gym trainer). When the player finally reaches the Sootopolis Gym leader, they arrive to find Wallace and Juan training. The player, upon interacting with Juan, is informed that Wallace is currently being trained as his successor. Juan decides to use the player as an opportunity to test Wallace, and asks the player if they would be interested in a double battle with both himself and Wallace.
This allows Emerald Legacy to retain Steven as Champion, and have both Juan and Wallace as a Gym fight. Not only this, but it capitalizes on the newly-introduced (and sorely under-utilized) double battle mechanic, with the potential for some interesting strategies. Like having a fast Rain Dance setup Pokémon (like Kingdra) partnered with Rain Dish Ludicolo.
Some other ideas I had:
- Give Flannery a Ninetales with Solar Beam so that it can take advantage of Sunny Day setup and punish Rock, Ground, and Water sweepers (ex. Marshtomp).
- Give Norman a Girafarig with Calm Mind and Psychic. It being part Psychic means that it can wall Fighting-types. It’s also a fun nod to Norman being from the Johto region. (You could even go a step further and have him send out the Girafarig in an Apricorn ball.)
- Have wild Beldum available at New Mauville. Thematically, it fits the location, and it allows the player to have early access to it (rather than having to wait until the post-game).
- Combine the functionality of the Mach and Acro bikes into one, and make it so that the player can switch between them via button press.
- Reduce the encounter rate for the water routes, and change NPC rosters so that they feature teams consisting of more than just Water-types. If you want to preserve Swimmers using exclusively Water teams, then maybe have other trainer classes appear on water routes, and have them surfing on a Wailmer silhouette (similar to the player).
- As for improvements to a specific Pokémon, why not give Tropius Thick Fat in order to reduce its x2 Fire and x4 Ice weakness?
I had other ideas, but in the interest of maintaining a pretense of brevity, I'll end it here. (Also, it goes without saying, but I'm so hyped for Emerald Legacy. Good luck to you and your team! I'm sure it'll be incredible!)
Not one of those was poorly thought out, so I hope they get noticed!
Gen 4 combined the Mach and Acro Bikes into one which was such a nice QoL feature and I'm surprised not many Emerald hacks have capitalized on 'porting' this over, or at least allowing you to get both bikes so you don't have to keep going to the shop over and over if you want to access the side paths that require a specific bike to access.
All great/thoughtful/balanced ideas pal 👌 Makes you realise how easy and great it would be to outsource even just some of pokemon's development to fans like you who care
I love this double battle idea! I think it'd pair really well with the idea someone else commented of having Steven retire and Wallace appear as the post-game champion, which would mean that Juan would appear solo for the gym leader rematch.
@@mikosan6 Thanks! Emerald is near and dear to my wretched black heart, so I couldn't not toss out some ideas.
Umm Tate and Liza is super easy if you use the Thunder Armor strat by having your Pikachu thunder bolt your Swallow
When I replayed Emerald, I wondered why meeting Wally's foster family in verdanturf wasn't treated as a more important character moment. He's not even there and you can walk right past it.
Also the evil teams are a lot more bumbling than I remembered, like the aqua grunts blocking the way to the lilycove hideout. "OOPS did I say our evil plan OUT LOUD??" It's goofy in a fun way but I kinda wish I had to do something for that information, or learned it by listening in as part of a cool cutscene or something.
Please dont neglect all the side content when refining the game! Contests, berry cubes, the challenge houses (Winstrate, Trick House...) are all a big part of the immaculate vibes in Gen 3. It was the first game where it really felt like a place, because of all these different things going on. The first two games really did just feel like a straight line of running between battles.
ABSOLUTELY
"immaculate vibes in Gen 3" LMAOOOOO.
Oh wait, you are serious.....LET ME LAUGH EVEN HARDER!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@gordonhuskin Great counter argument
You can prop up Gen 3 without crapping on the first two Gens. Like wow, Final Fantasy 4 has a more living world than FF1-3 on previous-gen hardware... No one saw that coming...
Gen 1 and especially 2 were literally hitting the limits of the system they were on.
For me, Gen 3 played like a refined Gen 1 retread with this weird new double battle focus, which I didn't enjoy as a kid and doesn't really make much sense outside of a competitive play. Gen 3 being a Gen 1 retread is great for the kids who were too young for the first two generations when they came out, but respect your elders guys, come on.
As a kid, it really sucked not being able to trade into Gen 3 when 1 and 2 could trade between each other (any of the original 151 can be traded back from GSC to RBY, which has never happened since) and going back to a single region felt like regressing, even if it was more scalable for the series in the long run. I'll always carry that disappointment with me, even if as an adult I can now appreciate what Gen 3 was trying to do. (Keyword: trying, mostly unsuccessfully -- see the sales drop from Gen 2 to 3, then the explosion in Gen 4.)
I don't think that Wallca is massively DISLIKED, just people like Steven MORE. Wallace is still a good fight but Steven just feels more like the champion.
As for changes.... a big shake up in gym leaders / E4 ordering and such? Like... Steven as Champion again, maybe make Wallace an E4 member and shift an E4 member to a gym leader? That's probably a bit too out there, but it feels like it could solve some issues with lack of challenge in spots.
And more diverse teams on the grunts, dear lord.
Glaica fits perfectly into gym 8, with it being an ice puzzle and all. Wouldn't surprise me if an ice gym leader was the original gym 8. Might need to add sneasel or delibird to the game or something so she has a slightly more fun team. Or just give glacia some random ass pokemon like a relicanth, gorebyss and huntail (not used in any major battle).
I actually really like this. I do think a grass leader needs to be somewhere tho
Give some of the grunts (or at least the Admins) Solrock or Lunatone depending on the team. The moon is what causes tidal waves, so it fits Team Aqua just fine (and I don't need to explain why Solrock fits Magma).
@@LogicalleapingI think gym 7 actually is better
Move the ice puzzle to mossdeep
Give glacia a sealeo castform glalie n walrein
@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 OH castform is a fantastic idea. If Hail is buffed to actually have utility having a hail gym would be cool. I think thematically Mossdeep having the moon and sun pokemon is better than it being an ice gym though.
Man, you really helped me take off the nostalgia glasses for this game. It's honestly my favorite of the first 3, but good god, are there some blatant missteps. I'm very excited about the rom hack because under all these balancing errors is an outstanding game. Godspeed Smith!
Since Gen 3 is the one that really started adding "events" whereas Gen 2 only had the Celebi thing, I would really love it if you could find a way to tie in the event items/places for Deoxys etc. into the post-game. Not even much! But it would just make it feel much more fitting for a "completed" version, in my eyes, to tie every feature together. Except the Altering Cave, lol.
Grovyle being stuck with Absorb until level 29 always felt very bad compared to Combusken and Marshtomp getting a reliable STAB option for the early and mid game (Double Kick and Mud Shot) at level 16.
An easy fix is giving to all the Treecko line access to Mega Drain and Giga Drain via level up, and making Grovyle learn Mega Drain at 16 instead of Fury Cutter. It is still a weaker option compared to Double Kick and Mud Shot, but should feel way better than being stuck with a 20 BP move until it gets Leaf Blade. Also having a 40BP Grass move with recover will make the May fight on Route 110 a bit harder for Mudkip users.
Also Leaf Blade definitely needs to be 90BP in order to be on par with Blaze Kick and Muddy Water.
Edit: also Leech Seed and Crunch (both egg moves) could be added to its level up learnset instead of terrible moves such as Screech and Slam.
You the saddest part about this? Treeko does get Giga Drain via level up, but only if you don't evolve it.
Kinda like Spore on Shroomish...
Sceptile is just bad compared to the other two
@@buffgarfield3231 That's basically it. Leaf Blade is just too weak late game
I think making Steven the champion and putting Wallace back as the 8th gym leader just makes too much sense
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"LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH"
Hey friend! Just wondering where you find the HD animated sprites for these vids? I can’t seem to find them anywhere 😅 love the content and excited to see where you take Emerald :)
One thing that I hate about Emerald is how they completely removed Courtney, I hope you can add her back in Emerald Legacy
Who?
@@stanbrule9357
I said that "who?" Then I check bulbapedia, she is the female admin of team magma(that never show up in emerald)
Courtney is so underrated!!
I'd love to see Courtney return as well
Somehow I never noticed that. That is so weird.
Yet you fight Tabitha like three times or something.
If you're a dumb kid trying to take out Roxanne's Nosepass with just Normal-type moves, making you fight a member of the Aron family would just be cruel.
Kid's gotta learn somehow
Good thing downloading this hack requires one to already be deep enough in Pokemon to want a fix hack lol
Aron's a very good choice
lol
All of the starters do at least neutral damage to Aron, so I don’t think it would be a problem
Corraction: It’s A-aron.
I have this really cool idea where Wallace is kept as the final champion and Steven can be inserted as the 8th gym leader. That would help give meaning to his numerous appearances and it would also be cool to have that steel type gym maybe. It would also be a cool surprise of sorts, like maybe you could have Wallace appear once in early game and then continue with the regular Steven encounters, and then after the 8th gym reveal where you're thinking, "ok, that guy was the last gym leader, now whos the champ," it would be mostly Wallace encounters where Steven would be all leading upto that final challenge.
So a thought occured to me when looking at a few of the other comments here. someone suggested switching Phoebe and Brawley which I like, and someone else suggested making Sydney a grass trainer. That I"m not fully sold on but I do like the idea of all three of the starters being present in E4 matches.
While we're moving stuff around, for gym 8, if we're keeping Wallace as champion or moving him to the E4 somewhere, I think the 8th leader could either be an ice type, though as previously mentioned this has problems, or... what if you just actually gave them a team that's built around contests? Instead of making them a monotype trainer or gym, you could make it so that the gym trainers are all focused around one of the five aesthetics with their mons and then have the gym leader have a team where each of them is based off one of the aesthetics.
It would probably be a bit challenging to have to reference the contest stats when building move sets but it would be incredibly rewarding by making the gym probably the most unique and dynamic in the entire series.
Someone else suggested putting non-swimmer trainers in the water routes on their own surfing pokemon and I actually really love that idea. Making the water routes more interesting and dynamic would make them feel a lot better than just surfing your way straight through all of them.
My guy putting Torkoal, Whiscash and Tropius as the "good" 'mons. And coming from someone whose favorite games are the Sinnoh ones, Emerald isn't nearly as bad when it comes to team building options when 99% of DP teams consist of your starter, Staraptor, Luxray, Lucario, Gastrodon/Floatzel and Roserade/Garchomp/old gen mon
Counterpoint, Platinum has much better team building options than Emerald. Which I count more since it's the definitive version of Gen 4 Sinnoh.
RSE has some heat in its Pokedex but it makes you work for the great mons. Most Hoen teams I've seen are even weaker than the standard DP team.
@Shari362 Counter-counterpoint, Sinnoh teams seem stronger than RSE because it's pretty clear-cut what works in DPPt and what sucks. You almost have to rely on Staraptor for Fly as the other Fly options come mid to late game or, in the case of Pearl and Platinum, loses to version exclusivity (Murkrow line). Floatzel is your go-to option without ol'reliable Gyarados. Fire type? LMAO. Or and good luck with Rock Climb targets. For some reason, there's not a lot of NATIVE Pokémon to Sinnoh to teach that move to. So your Starter usually gotta eat shit by getting a move which isn't very good.
@@D-Havoc Plat teams don't seem stronger, they are stronger lol. You can very easily run Crobat or Togekiss in place of Staraptor. All three are great. You can run Vaporeon instead of Floatzel of Gyrados, all three very strong options. For fire types you have Houdooom, Flareon, Magmar and Rapidsh outside of Infernape. And that's off the top of my head. You also have access to:
Garchomp, Espeon, Jolteon, Lucario, Tentacruel, Weavile, Gliscor, Gardevoir, Gallade, and Rhydon. If you have friends you can get Scizor, Alakazam, Gengar, Machamp, Electrivire etc. If you have patience to deal with the trees you can get Snowlax and Heracross. The Platinum dex doesn't seem better than Emerald's, its just significantly better. If you see someone run a standard Staraptor-Luxray team in Plat thats on them. I've made some insane teams in my Plat runs. Plat easily has the best regional team building options up until BW2.
@@Shari362 To be fair, he definetly didn't really talk about the wobufet in the room. Silly little dude makes the rest of the game trivial if you know how the battle script works.
@@D-Havoc generation 4 teams as a whole are stronger because of bigger, better, and more diverse movepools, + the addition of the physical/special split truly unlocking the potential of many pokemon.
There is a normal trainer I will never forget: after you leave Meteor Falls & head south to Rustboro you encounter a trainer with a Zangoose. This guy swept half of my team with that monster, so now if I’m doing another run I always have to prep in advance.
Other than that you’re 100% correct on all this. In my most recent play-through I was particularly shocked by how bad the grass types were. Seedot’s only attacking move is nature power, Oddish only learns acid and absorb until you fully evolve it, Cacnea can’t be caught until after the 4th gym-so if you don’t pick the starter your best option is Shroomish or Lotad. Not great considering how many water types are in the game.
Gen 3 Grass Type was designed better than Gen 2 Grass Type. The Bullet Seed TM is available before the first gym. Teaching Treecko Bullet Seed means he does not have to rely on the weak Absorb to defeat Roxanne. The TMs for Giga Drain and Solarbeam are available earlier in Gen 3 than in Gen 2.
That is in no way a negative about the game lol. And you conveniently leave out TMs, and saying Lotad or Shroomish are "not great" when they are some of the strongest.
@@JayceCH. Yes. IDK why people are ignoring the Bullet Seed TM. Unlike GSC, Grass Type Pokémon are not stuck with their level up learnsets in RSE. Bullet Seed is enough for Grovyle until he learns Leaf Blade at Level 29. Also, there is no need to delay Treecko's evolution. Sceptile can learn Giga Drain later in the game when the player gets the TM in Route 123.
Breloom isn’t a great grass type because it’s a physical attacker and all grass moves are special prior to gen 4. Tropius has a similar issue.
If you look at Lotad’s moveset it’s terrible. Absorb is the best you got until it’s in the 40s. Your TM options are the two turn solar beam, the inconsistent bullet seed, or base 60 giga drain after the 4th gym. Besides, Pokémon shouldn’t have to rely on TMs to be any good.
@@jbserver1334 Ignoring Spore or Grass STAB, the best moveset for Breloom in Gen 3 might be: Leech Seed, Stun Spore, Sky Uppercut, and Mach Punch or Bulk Up. Breloom is more of a Fighting Type than a Grass Type in Gen 3.
Relying on TMs is not a problem. Relying on Egg moves is a different story. Lotad would have been good if he started with Water Gun instead of Astonish. Lombre not having Water STAB until Surf is bad.
“I played a children’s game as an adult and was upset it wasn’t competitively balanced!!!! 😭”
I think you should look into level-up movesets that got altered/improved in FRLG. Crawdaunt, for example, only gets 1 STAB dark move in knock-off while in hoenn, however, if you trade it to FRLG, it learns crunch thru level-up. Charmander learning metal claw is another one that comes to mind. Not entirely sure how many pokemon in gen 3 are affected by this, but it's definitely worth checking out.
Title: how to fix emerald
Real title: how to indirectly nerf swampert
Jokes aside. Giving more grass mons in the gyms and field it would help balance the game out overall.
Nothing indirect about it. We nerfin swampert
Just not more with stun spore please. There are routes in the game with Oddish and Electrike where you get para'd EVERY DAMN ENCOUNTER 😂.
??? Dont be a bot. Pokemon games do not need to "balance the roster types." All that does is make the game easier by giving you more choices.
@@JayceCH. What is this even supposed to mean lmao
@@JayceCH. I apologise but I don't understand your point here. If you don't make an effort to balance the roster, you'll end up in a gen 2 situation where Meganium is /barely/ chosen as Feraligator and Typhlosion are objectively better picks in almost every regard.
GIVE THE FOSSILS EARLIER! Anorith and Lileep are so interesting, but their stats and movesets are way outclassed after Flannery.
Honestly I think some tweaks to events like Steven, Wally, and Wallace would really help, and while it shoots a bit ahead of the typical Legacy romhack, the goal remains the same. In addition, looking at the improvements ORAS made would really help. Not sure if Wally can get his custom battle theme and Gallade since it's Gen 3 but that would be peak.
I'm sure someone somewhere has a GBA walley theme on CZcams somewhere lol
One thing I wish was different would be the inclusion of a Vs Seeker function in the PokeNav. I know that the PokeNav has a step counter attached to it, but it would be more convenient to be able to pick and choose who you try to rematch rather than hoping that the game selects the trainer you want to battle.
Treecko hurts the most because even in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire where they finally have a Physical/Special Split and he gets a Mega they doubled down on making him bad. They flood his movepool with Physical Attacks and then his Mega gets boosted Special instead, which makes sense when only looking at Sceptiles stats. But Leaf Blade was his signature attack in Gen 3, it was a Special Move cause Grass was Special but now its Physical and they kept giving him more and more Physical Attacks like Dragon Claw and X-Scissor but he can barely use them and you have to find a way to breed a Treecko with Dragonbreath or find a tutor for Dragon Pulse to use his new Type as a Mega, it was just all sorts of crap ontop of a badly dealt hand already.
I agree it needs physical Leaf Blade (so do Breloom and Shiftry), especially since it already gets Swords Dance.
Issues I have with Emerald:
1) Trainer rematches don’t start until after you get the fifth badge.
2) Some Gym Leaders can be nigh impossible to beat without the right Pokémon especially early on. Wattson is a prominent example as only Marshtomp and Geodude have any chance at walling him.
3) On a somewhat related note massive level jumps between bosses and their underlings.
4) Some Pokémon such as Grimer, Skitty, and Seedot have low encounter rates.
5) Gym Leader rematches are an absolute nightmare to trigger.
6) Many good Pokémon such as Medicham, Zangoose, Lunatone, and Masquerain are not available.
7) The Safari Zone
What's wrong with Skitty having a low encounter rate? It's intended to be rare.
I forgot Grimer is in the game. :/
> many good Pokemon such as (...) *Masquerain*
😐 (X) Doubt
@@AedraRising 2% rare
Also just found out two more issues
(8) Only 1 Moon Stone in the game because there is no Lunatone to use Thief on so you can only evolve Skitty or Jigglypuff and not both.
(9) The 5% chance of Shards on certain Pokémon to get the other stones. Relicanth is especially rare so good luck getting Leaf Stones.
@@robertlupa8273 Masquerain has Intimidate and Stun Spore for level up.
@@nedrostram2360 ...which it doesn't get until level 40, while Beautifly (who is actually _faster,_ though also frailer) learns it at 17 and Breloom/Shroomish gets it at 7. Before then, it doesn't really do anything besides Intimidating.
If it were to be changed to get it at similarly low levels however, I could see it being useful, so it's likely that Smith will buff it this way.
I was gonna mention Black Belt Hideki from Dewford Gym as a difficult fight but then remembered he’s from ORAS. I think it would be cool to honor that fight/difficult non-boss battle by including it in your ROM hack. Specifically, Hideki has a Machop with straight 28 IVs. It also has Focus Energy, so you can randomly get swept if you did not build your team right.
I taught Gardevoir Thief. Kept that through the entire run. It was a godsend. Stole important held items like strategy lynchpin berries and power up items.
Contests were shafted until Lily Cove towards the end of the game. The battle factory was cool in the Battle Frontier but not at the beginning of the game. It made learning contest moves kind of irrelevant because you would have to keep useless moves until Lily Cove. It would be cool if there was a side story with Wallace and Contests as well as some sort of reward for perusing it.
Aside from putting some of the Contest Halls back where they were, it really feels like there should be more rewards for it. Like getting some of the rarer berries or some of the TMs which you otherwise only get one of. As it stands, I think the only actual reward is Luxury Balls for repeatedly winning Master Rank contests, which is neat, but not that exciting.
If they wanted to be simple, getting some coins for the Game Corner would be a pretty nice reward to help get the powerful TMs there.
I would love putting contests early and giving out a feebas
I'm glad you mentioned battle facilities. I skip the three Battle Tents because the single item rewards make too little difference to a playthrough. Locking Trainer Hill to after the Elite Four is extremely underwhelming when it has to compete with the 7 facilities of the Battle Frontier for your attention.
I remember picking torchic in my first emerald game and crying cause my pokemon is 1-2 levels ahead of manectric in wattson’s gym and still getting destroyed lmao😂😂
Hilarious that Hoenn, known for having too much water, has too many water types.
A little late to the party, but for the Champion situation, I would essentially just rotate the fight positions of Wallace, Steven, and Juan.
1. Wallace goes back to being the Sootopolis Gym Leader, replacing his team with a scaled-down version of his Emerald Champion fight.
2. Steven goes back to being the Champion, using a refined version of his R/S Champion fight team.
3. Juan is now the secret endgame fight that you could fight in the postgame. Maybe have Wallace call you on the PokeNav after becoming Champion and lead you in his direction, telling you that Juan was the one who taught him everything he knows and should prepare for a rough fight.
This could ultimately be a different character entirely... Juan is such a nothing character in Emerald.
To put into context the point about gamefreaks obsession with late game ice type specialists
Gen 1 - E4
Gen 2 - 7th gym
Gen 3 - E4
Gen 4 - 7th gtm
Gen 5 - 7th gym
Gen 6 - 8th gym
Gen 8 - 6th gym
Gen 9 - 8th gym
Game freak REALLY likes their late game ice specialists
And none of them are a challenge...
Melony is the only one I'd be able to call a challenge (I can't fight because I'm very distracted by her enormous-
Which really works against it because having it early could help to alleviate ice’s problems; early game means less Pokémon available with a type advantage against ice, and your Pokemon won’t be fully evolved giving the gym leader a chance for a higher BST edge
@@connormackay7098 I'd say Candice and Melony can be pretty tough if you can't play around their strategy can just try to brute force
@@kirbyofthestarsfan Lapras?
Praises Flannery for being a fire-type trainer before all the water-types show up. Admonishes Winona having 2 quad ice weaknesses before ice pokemon show up.
Prepare for standards, and make them double.
@j.d.714 Right. But in the same vein, you have Swampert, Gyarados, Tentacruel, Pelliper, and even Azumarill. All available before the fire gym. Camrupt ironically, is also a good counter as well.
Also bold of him to say it's easy to set up on Swablu when it comes with Perish Song to stop that nonsense in its tracks.
I love your SpongeBob reference to Weenie Hut Jr’s LOL!!!!
Fun fact: you can catch a Sableye in Dewford Cave and Brawly literally can’t hit you
If you give Sceptile Dragon type I'll give every dev member a kiss on the mouth.
I second this idea
Let's make Grass/Dragon the new Fire/Fighting, and give it to Meganium and Serperior too! :D
/hj
Considering the amount of watertypes in the Game, being Dragon Grass isnt even that good i mean you could eat an icebeam at any Corner 😅
Check out Inclement Emerald, absolutely insane rom hack
I think Smith already gave Sceptile the Grass/Dragon typing in a previous video. So he might bring it back for Emerald legacy.
Honestly, my biggest killjoy for the later part of the game is the absolute ABUNDANCE of needing to use HMs. It really just ruins the momentum the game has going for it for me sometimes, especially with places like the Magma Hideout or Aqua Hideout. I know the concept of HM slaves is always a go to for a lot of people, but if I have to give up a slot on my team for a Pokemon that I will NEVER use and is just fodder, I find it to be a fundamental flaw of Gamefreak’s game design that kind of permeates through most of the early Pokemon games. I would much prefer if HMs were used to make an area easier to traverse, not a requirement unless in certain situations I.E. needing rock smash for north of Mauville City.
Honestly, I heavily disagree, although I’m probably in the minority and you’re in the majority. I’ve always felt that, Gamefreak deciding to remove the reliance of HMs from gen 5 onwards was a STEP DOWN, as it made the game feel even easier than a typical pokemon game already is. To me, having to figure out which of your pokemon should learn this subpar HM move was part of the challenge. You either have to sacrifice some move slots which by default make your pokemon weaker and hence makes the battles harder… or, have an HM only pokemon which makes you have a 5 pkmn team instead of 6.. hence making battles harder! Also, I really miss the HM strength puzzles which, to me as a kid at least, were neat little challenging/satisfying twist to the game. Like, going through victory road in FR/LG or finding articuno by having to push the rocks through holes to be able to traverse through the floor below… I COULD NOT figure that out as a 9 year old and it was so satisfying to finally do it. Also, needing Dive in RSE to even get to Sootopolis or the Aqua hideout. I can go on and on. On one hand, it’s “tedious”. On another, it’s a neat twist that the latest pokemon generations lack completely
at least gen 3 has Zigzagoon/Linoone that could learn most of the HMs and had the pickup ability to generate random items. Perfect HM mule IMO
To me you DO use your hm slave. No it's not a beast in battle but that pokemon alone is helping you travel all over the world. I'll always love my linoone in gen 3 and my bibarel in gen 4 to get places
@@Pwjdjskw i do get you regarding the overall lack of challenge in pkmn games and that is objectively bad game design, but so were hms. hms making the game feel more challenging seems more like an accident than anything else, really. i mean, if you really wanna make pkmn games harder, you could just... make it harder. rom hackers figured that out ages ago with boss fights in general having six pkmn, decent movesets and enhanced ai. seems lazy to just limit base power available to the player instead of, like, maybe making bosses switch pkmn once in a while
good game design means creating difficulty through challenges that are engaging and fun. puzzles are nice and engaging, yes. as for the need for hms... nah, just a massive pain in the ass. you don't really need hms to have puzzles or really any overworld interactions in general. in fact, i can't think of any other games with this approach as most just do it through items. hms made things just a bit harder (not even enough to make pkmn games feel like a real challenge anyway) by being massively annoying to deal with. it's the opposite of what you want in good game design and exactly why most good videogames abandoned things like grinding for levels - it's boring, time consuming, lazy, a pain in the ass and not engaging or fun whatsoever. challenges should be hard *and* fun, not hard by virtue of obnoxiousness
I think the best point in favor of HMs is that it can help make it feel like your team choice matters, where you do need to account for traversal when picking which pokemon to use. That helps lean into aspects of exploration.
It's hardly executed perfectly in Hoenn though. Rock Smash being so weak and Dive/Waterfall both being mostly worse versions of Surf just makes it feel worse.
Strength at least has a puzzle aspect, but Rock Smash really should be handled more like Cut where it's an optional obstacle to block off items. Just look at Seafloor Cavern and Victory Road and ask yourself what would change if some of those Rocksmash rocks were removed. In most cases the answer is 'not very much'.
If Rock Smash was mainly used to block off items/shortcuts, then that would condense the necessary HMs to Strength/Surf/Dive to get through Seafloor Cavern, and Strength/Surf/Waterfall to get through Victory Road.
Given that Rock Smash, Cut, and Watefall were changed for Crystal Legacy though, I wouldn't be surprised to see similar changes to those, as well as potentially to Dive/Strength/Flash to make them more appealing to have on movesets as well.
If the ability to readily forget HM moves is also retained, then it may be even less of an issue. If nothing else, the Move Deleter being placed in Mauville would be an improvement to avoid being stuck with Cut/Flash/Rock Smash until Lilycove.
My main suggestion for Emerald Legacy would be to pull more double battles into the game. You mentioned it in the video, but I would love to see each Gym feature a moderately tough double battle or the gym leader themselves become a double battle, to capture that new double battle flair.
I think since Shedinja was such a weird and notable pokemon, having at least one trainer that kinda... showcases the very limited uses Shedinja has would be neat. Maybe if Phoebe were to have a shedinja in some capacity on her team, it might be a cool little cameo for a niche pokemon. (Though, it would probably be weird to put a niche pokemon in what it supposed to be a challenging fight. I just feel like there are some unusual outlier pokemon that don't show up unless you really go digging for them and shedinja has a place in my heart.)
against phoebe likely going to have a pokémon with a super effective move against ghost, so the shedinja’s gimmick likely won’t be able to be seen. i would like a random cool trainer or hex maniac to have one though
I kinda wanted the Winstrate Family to have a bigger payoff. I would have loved for the son to be a tough Victory Road battle or something.
he is in Victory Road tho
@@dvillines26 I know, but I wanted a more satisfying battle from him than what I got. It felt anti-climatic.
@@ElsaRochelle His entire purpose was to be a red herring.
@@AedraRising It just would have been nice if one of them was actually strong. Like maybe the oldest child left because he discovered he actually wanted to get stronger.
I think one thing that would fix the game is more Pokémon that are low on types. Don’t go to crazy but put a murkrow here and a misdrivus there. Just adding a few Pokémon to increase the roster so we have more team building options and give some lack luster Pokémon some more time to shine.
Yes, it could be similar to Platinum Dex-Expansion.
Gastly/Misdreavus in Mt. Pyre, Seel/Jynx in Shoal Cave, Clefairy in Meteor Falls, Growlithe in Route 112, etc.
@@ghozt3167 I would like to see more gen 2 representation because gen 1 has been used a lot between the first two games. So poloswine, murkrow, misdrevius, forretress, and sneasel would be more of what I’d focus on. That way we can have a different experience.
@@jasperclark1122 In this case, a good solution could be unlock the Safari extra zone before Elite Four. Even though you can find trash Pokémon like Ariados, Ledian, Gligar, etc; also you can get good mons like Ampharos, Houndoom or Ursaring.
Otherwise, re-distribute the species in Safari Zone locating Johtomon in regular sections and change the extra with Kanto species.
However, some gen 1 Pokémon should be necessary in that expansion bc cross-gen evos, since in that case only would have trashmon like Unown, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Delibird, Yanma (exception Tyranitar or Miltank).
@@ghozt3167 I’m not saying all of them need to be gen 2. I just want to see different Pokemon that we could use so, teams don’t look the same from gen 1 and 2. Just some underrated Pokemon could be used to fill the gaps in types.
Yeah, like, add 1-2 more lines to Fighting, Fire, Electric, Dark, and Ghost, for steel make 2/3 of Fortress, Scizor, and Steelix available, and Ice needs 3-4 more options
I believe it’s called altering cave, was supposed to have e-reader functionality but went basically unused and only has Zubat. I believe that has a lot of potential to house specific Johto Pokemon or even a 1% early Beldum encounter. Also would love to have Aerial Ace be bumped to 70 or 75 base power
That one house where you had to fight an entire family back to back without time to take a break and go to heal, just north of Mauville city was imo pretty challenging
Wally’s badass theme from ORAS reorchestrated for the GBA and implemented in his final fight. I can die happy then.
Juan Wallace double battle. Steven as champion. A grass E4 member. Glacia getting benched. Phoebe getting Shedinja. Enemy trainers using spikes and shit.
Pokemon run and bun shows how you can craft exciting battles without needing a million mechanics.
Juan/Wallace Double battle is an exceptional idea...
I saw another comment that suggested we battle Juan/Wallace together with Wally - And we both get the gym badge together...
So now we can expect Wally in the Victory road....
Glacia n Tate/liza swap places
Phoebe n Winona swap
Sidney n brawly swap places
PUT BOTH calm mind n bulk up at victory road to prevent abuse cases
"Forget about your bug and flying moves"
>Overlooks Ninjask having Bug moves compared to the others shown.
Seeing as Hoenn has technically has no icy areas(Kanto had Seafoam Islands and Johto had the Ice Path), I'm not surprised that there's as few Ice type pokemon as there were.
Wanna say the reason why they gave the grunts the supposedly lackluster mons is they're fodder and are meant to waste your resources.
Whats frustrating to me about Wallace is that we just fought a water gym before coming to the league... I like champs like Cynthia or Blue that have mixed and complex teams with unique mons...
Also, past the keckleon on the bridge there is a rain double battle against a thunder manectric and a castform that can be quite scary haha
Don't do this entirely but take some inspiration from ORAS. I understand that ORAS was too faithful to Ruby and Sapphire in some aspects so keep the Emerald Improvement and whatever was good before ORAS made worse for some reason, but include things like stairs for certain secret bases, the improved narrative, improved learnsets, making hidden abilities available, ability to carry both bikes, ability to fly to any route, and some other stuff I'm probably forgetting. Aside from that, a substitute for HMs would be really great so you wouldn't need 8 moveslots from your team to be taken up by them
I don't think adding Hidden Abilities is possible without using one of those highly advanced ROM bases (whatever's used in those recent-ish super advanced Gen 3 hacks) and I doubt Smith is good enough at coding to do it. Remember, hidden abilities weren't added until Gen 5.
@@robertlupa8273 I know, I was just thinking if a Pokemon has a bad ability it can be replaced with it's hidden ability or have some way for there to be 3 possible abilities instead of 2
ORAS was never "too faithful" lmfao. Thats only shill arguments for not having Battle Frontier. Look at every other thing, and you'll see they are through and through many changes.
@@JayceCH. I like ORAS more than the originals and Emerald, but by "too faithful" to the originals I mean things like using the usually worse Ruby and Sapphire gym leader teams and the evil teams still using pretty much the same small pool of Pokemon as before
Having hidden abilities and a substitute for HMs wouldn’t make it feel like Gen 3 anymore
Emerald Legacy is COOKING.
FR CANT WAIT
Aww yeah! And he’s giving out free schmells now lol
@@KashikizuImagine defining something as an "issue" because your vision doesnt allign with the vision from the creator. Pure entitlement. The only issue i can see are people breaking copyright law because of said entitlement. You can be sure that i forward this to the company doing takedowns for Nintendo. After all these so called "fixes" are a financial gain for that Smith guy while insulting the franchise
@@denis2381 I see. Oh well
@@denis2381 beasting
Having Roxanne with the 2 fossil pokemon and nosepass would make her a serious and fun threat for the first gym leader. That would be awesome
Lowkey, wishing Emerald Legacy doubles down on the Double Battle element or at least make the Final Elite 4 battle a Double One with Wallace and Steven.
Pokerogue showed me what a Wallace&Steven Double Battle could be as a Final Challenge and how fitting of the region that brought us Doubles for the first time as the main competitive mode this could've been! And seeing Aqua and Magma team up at the very start, just so at the end both teams split apart as their goals clash would be really fun too!
Definitely think Wally and May/Brendan need a bigger role. I think Wally getting his own battle theme in ORAS, and May/Brendan getting another battle in ORAS made big differences. Also always wanted to play a version of emerald with updated evos, probopass, roserade (make roselia able to be found in the first place), magnezone, farigaraf, dusknoir, etc. Adding frosslass and dusknoir also gives E4 more choices. I think looking at a lot of the ORAS changes in general could be helpful. Good luck, can’t wait to play the completed version!
One of the biggest issues with Hoenn pokemon is that many fall into two categories, mixed attackers or "I will be good in Gen 4" because of the physical special split. I definitely think some pokemon need the Flareon special from Crystal Legacy. I do think that most of the dual dark types in this game have a special second type so I think keep Dark special and shift stats to highlight special. Imagine Sharpedo with 120 special attack. Even Absol comes out on top because it's only dark type move is bite and it gets ice beam, TBolt and Flamethrower off of 130 special. Just an idea.
Seeing as Dark has been physical in the other Legacy hack I imagine that will happen here too. Seeing as houndoom is the only Dark type with more spatk than attack it seem fair. But spatk Absol does sound sick.
nah, Dark being physical makes more sense for myriad reasons and requires far fewer stat changes. just have mixed attackers, and some Pokemon that simply don't need to use their other STAB. Crawdaunt never even needed STAB to be good, nobody really considers it but it's a beast with Earthquake and Brick Break. Return, Aerial Ace, Rock Tomb, and Sludge Bomb as a specific fuck you to Ludicolo. buff Knock Off to 60 base power and now it works as physical STAB, and Crawdaunt becomes a top tier pick.
Sharpedo already wants to be a mixed attacker, so having it get both a physical and special STAB is great
At this point it makes more sense to advocate for the split. It should have happened in gen 3 anyway.
@@NeightrixPrime eh personally I love gen 3 without the split. the fun of using pokemon in different ways is great. annoying but makes situations that wouldn't happen in newer games.
I still remember my first time beating Norman. I was 8.
I had combusken, wingull, roselia, aron, and electrike.
combusken plowed through his first two, I switched out to roselia and slept the linoone...and then slaking came out. Roselia did a tiny amount of damage, went down instantly. Brought out wingull, confused it, then did some chip. Slaking killed it. So I brought in Aron with growl. Slaking hit itself on the next two attacks, letting little Aron reduce its ATK to nothing and chip it down.
I think part of why Emerald is so fondly remembered is because it’s so easy to mod, and because it’s a fantastic nuzloke.
They clearly tried to make Steven into the new Red. This of course does not work for several reasons. There's no air of mystery surrounding this legendary trainer; you meet him as early as the 2nd gym. He's there every step of the way, so it makes way more sense to have a climactic battle with him during the story rather than hiding him away in some dungeon. There's also nothing telling you that there's anything special waiting for you in Meteor Falls now, whereas you did have an incentive to explore Mt. Silver, with it being your reward for beating all the kanto gyms. If you had already cleared Meteor Falls the moment you got Waterfall, you'd probably never find Steven there.
There should be an early battle before the 2nd Gym as well where Steven always gets the type matchup advantage on your starter!
Mr.Stone tells you that Steven is probably somewhere in a cave looking for cool rocks.
You get a f*cking meteorite at the top of Mt.Chimney
It's a key item
Who loves cool rocks?
Where can I apply this key item/find someone that would love to have a Meteorite in their collection?
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Problem solving and deductions are not a difficult task dude.
@@Dr.Ruffles The meteorite you get on Mt. Chimney has nothing to do with Steven. You give it to a guy in Fallarbor in exchange for a TM.
Mr. Stone's comment can easily be interpreted as explaining why Steven isn't in the game anymore. Tons of NPCs make similar comments; it's silly to assume this one is special if you don't know that Steven is in Meteor Falls.
@@ashleyvanbeek7045 damn, so you're telling me that it was sheer luck I just connected both of those together?
@@Dr.Ruffles it was definitely dumb luck that you connected the meteor with Steven. Without that, the most logical cave to look for Steven in would be Granite Cave, as we've seen him there before. So yeah, i would say it was dumb luck that you found Steven based on these things.
What I’d love to see:
-More wallace
-Sunny day routes, like there are rain routes (maybe around the volcano or beaches)
-Snow/hail overworld spot?? (it’s in the game code but never used)
-No miss blizzard
-More double battles
-Better magma/aqua teams
-Better e4 teams (consider a mon or two outside of their primary type specialty like in Gen 1 and 2’s e4s)
Fix around some abilities? (pelipper drizzle and torkoal drought? Illuminate, pickup in battle Etc)
-Actual day/night cycle, with actual darkness for the evening/night
-more incentives for making secret bases
-more convenient ways to check the time/clock
- add something significant or cool (like a battle or cool item) for pacifilog town
-Just one single Courtney battle
Day/night is dumb
@@radaf4429 great input!
It has already been said that this duo of weather abilities will remain exclusive to their legendaries.
@@amiciyopre I think they mean overworld weather, like the sandstorm in the desert and the rain on route 120.
@@amiciyopre I was just listing a couple examples of ability switch ups I’d personally like to see, makes sense to keep it exclusive.
I'm interested in your experience of which Pokemon are viable because it differs greatly from mine. You definitely identified the top 5 that appear on everyone's team and perfectly summarized the starters, but I've always felt that one of Emerald's strengths was the variety of Pokemon that can work. Outside of the guys you listed off the top of my head, Azumarill, Pelipper, Carvanha, Heracross, Vileplume, and Absol can all put in some serious work in Emerald, and I've even had fun experiences running some guys like Swalot (Yawn, Toxic, Body Slam, and Sludge Bomb, all naturally learned, are a ton of fun to spread status in some harder fights). Meanwhile some of the ones you listed as good come pretty late (Wailord, Walrein, Kingdra, Salamence), or are near impossible to get (Milotic, also Kingdra), or are not fun to raise because of speed/weaknesses/garbage movepool (Flygon, Aggron). Still really looking forward to this as it develops but curious about some of the changes to these Pokemon.