What is the Worst Starter Pokemon?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- Lots of starter Pokemon are great - but have you ever wondered which is the worst competitively?
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Meganium: Aaah sheet here we go again....
my favourite starter is the worst one, but I don't care, I like my cool plant dinosaur!
Yep, first thing I thought when I saw the video lol
Me too buddy @@gloomy314
Honestly if it just had thick fat it would have more of a niche. As it is, there's no reason to use it
@@gloomy314If it makes you feel better every starter I have ever chosen is on this list xD.
Singles 🤝Doubles
Meganium is the worst starter
Waiting for the return of triple battles
You know I'm waiting for quad battles-
How unfortonate was Meganium actually?
when Meganium gets a mega evolution in Legend's Z-A and becomes the best starter by far >>>>
@@grixan8012No silly the three mega starters will be Mega Incineroar, Mega Charizard z and Mega Charizard A
I have no idea what was the deal with the guy who assigned the stats for the Gen 7 Pokémon. Truly an unhinged individual.
Like, why is everything so slow? Why is Silvally so mid?? And why, for fuck’s sake, did Decidueye’s stat spread absolutely go against its design as an agile archer owl???
I remember when the gen 7 games were just coming out, everyone called it the Aslowla region.
Fr, they did Vikavolt's speed dirty
Well Vikavolt is fast in trickroom so...
I remmember hearing a lot of talk about power creep and them wanting to avoid it. Ironic with how stupidly strong gen 8s box legendarya are and their abilitys that are just a free stat boost ontop of their insane stats and amazing typings.
"Infernape is fast and strong" 104 attack
"Torterra's attack isn't good per se" 109 attack
One's a glass mixed attacker and the other is one of the slowest starters ever with mediocre offensive stats and bad typing. Torterra was done dirty, should've been a rock type.
@@scrittleare the earth rock tho?
@@alexwijaya6857 Rock and Ground types are fairly similar, with the greatest physical difference being their skin texture. I'm sure Gamefreak could've tweaked Torterra's sprite slightly to make it look rockier, it already has a mountain on its back.
In my Radical Red Randomizer game I got a Torterra with Magnet Pull. It completely changed my perception of it. Now it's my steel type remover.
@@AeonQuasarthat game changed my perception about meganium: grass/fairy with triage as ability...trust me, you would not call him the worst lol
It took wolfey 11 seconds to mention incineroar. I think that's a new record.
A record for what? Fastest Incineroar mention or slowest Incineroar mention?
@@Pearl_Blossomfastest
furry bottom feeder
@@Pearl_Blossom slowest, duh. incineroar is made up of 10 letters, so mentioning it in exactly 11 is thinking outside of the box.
I clicked on this video and immediately went looking in the comments for this
*picture of Meganium*
That's it. That's the video.
…
I’m thinking should I destroy people with Meganium
Meganium is trash 🗑️🗑️
my garchomp would rekt this noob
skill issue
Delphox: The most forgettable starter Pokémon ever
The internet: Not according to me
Intelleon and Primarina are the most forgettable starters ever. I consistently forget they exist. They're just not interesting.
Chesaught is the actual least remembered stater I know I literally had to look up its name to write this comment
These replies are bizarre
@@tatecheverria1624 yet you still wrote it wrong😭
Guys... I think you misunderstood the meaning behind this comment
Sceptile is not terrible. He has a lil leaf in his mouth. Making him SSS tier
Meganium is so bad that it doesn't even get Pollen Puff. YES, a pokémon that is a literal pollen-head flower mixed with a dinossaur.
Dude thats just sad.
skill issue
meanwhile amoonguss the mushroom: has both spore and pollen puff
@@Roflmao6173 🥲
Making a 20 minute video where you just say "Meganium Meganium Meganium" was a bold choice but that's just the world champ difference
Making a 20 second comment just to make him/herself feel better was a bold choice just to make him/herself a abit superior bc he thinks otherwise. Lol but yeah , Meganium is bad, really bad.
Ay bruh issa meme
@@WhatNow505what ☠️ have you never been in a youtube comment section??? you would be livid in a fantano comment section 😭
@@souljahwitchluvfantano comment section is wild LOL
I swear you pokepeople speak a foreign fucking language lol
Meganium: _*exists_
Everyone: "You are literally the worst starter."
Team Four Star: "This is Mr. Stake."
Some people: "Perhaps I've treated you too harshly."
They hated him too...at first. Legit went out of their way to get him killed and nothing worked. And by the end, they loved their little lump of stupid so much that Lani named his real dog after him
*do not include me on that, "everyone".*
Sperg
@@BJGvideos They got caught faking the next Nuzlocke wouldn't surprise me if Mr.Stake actually died once or twice offscreen
Hilarious that meganium is only marginally bulkier than serperior but that's somehow its defining characteristics because there's literally nothing else there.
It's like the attention on Ledian's punching moves.
Because of serperior’s speed and access to light screen and reflect its more likely to set up and survive than meganium is anyway since meganium is likely to be sniped. Plus serperior having better speed allows its contrary damage to rise and even before contrary sword dance or coil helped it a lot
Says Meganium has good bulk>proceeds to show footage of it being 1-hit ko.
I think that was the point. It sucks
by an Arbok LOL
And by an ARBOK nontheless
I was hoping that GF would change Meganiums HA to Thick Fat (like they changed Empoleons HA) - we don't have a Thick Fat Grass Pokemon besides Mega Venusaur and it would kinda fit imo. Sure, there is probably more that has to be done, but at least Meganium gets better in what Wolfey mentioned in his video - taking a few hits.
@@bradevit2446 TF wouldnt help meganium almost at all. Its better on a pokemon like Saur because of the poison typing. I honestly dont know what can be done to help Meganium at all. Maybe Fairy typing, or buff leaf guard to weaken spreadmoves in the sun ?
The "What Is The Best Starter Pokémon" video is basically a single 10 minute PNG of Incineroar.
Unless we're talking for the campaign specifically, in which case Swampert takes the crown no contest (Meganium is still the worst in that case lol)
@@MilkyWayGrumpI'd argue Infernape takes the spot for best starter for the story since he's both incredibly fast and hits like a truck, with so much coverage you can reliably sweep even the battles that give it the most trouble.
The only thing Infernape dosen't have over Swampert is bulk, but like, you don't need to tank if the opponent is already dead
Swampert especially shreds if you're playing Ruby/Omega Ruby.
greninja?
@@MilkyWayGrump for campaigns it doesnt even matter really
I feel like this really highlights the differences between singles and VGC, because Samurott-H is absolutely monstrous in singles, and Feraligatr is niche but pretty good.
And emboar was huge for speed running for awhile
Yes, but time sadly keeps going, the model A was probably a beast back in the day…. Too bad nostalgia doesn’t affect stats
Remember Gen 2 where Typhlosion could learn Thunder Punch? Good days.
I was wondering why he didn’t do best starter, and then I remembered *INCINEROAR*
Ash Gren was more broken than Incineroar ever was.
@@SamoIsKing ash gren is not good in vgc and he only talks about vgc
@@SamoIsKing Read the name of the channel. . . Really carefully
@@SamoIsKing ash greninja would never beat mega ray,primal groudon,primal kyogre,and xerneas in terms of usage
@@SamoIsKingyou know we're talking about doubles right?
Says Wo-chien, refuses to elaborate and then named the next grass pokemon.
lol.
Could someone explain that to me? I don't know much about competitive Pokemon.
It just can’t get a break, too many strays to be caught
Wo-chien exist on the field
@@Dabazuka Wo-chien is really bad x4 to bug a lot of weaknesses and cant threaten damage, its very slow but not to slow to run it on trick room
Fissure, Ruination, Sand tomb, yawn. Something like that
Literally all my favorite starters were on this list. Feelsbadman
Incineroar was intentionally designed by Gamefreak to be busted. Even in the anime, Incineroar is described as "the ultimate Fire Pokémon".
does the anime also explain why Blaziken got Speed Boost as a HA and got banned from singles for 3 gens straight?
@@MegaSpamziken1996 first off, that was most likely an oversight. Prior to Gen 5, Gamefreak didn't realize how powerful Speed Boost could be, as the only Pokémon that could get it before Blaziken were Pokémon with bad stats and even worse typing, namely Ninjask ans Yanmega.
Second of all, Gamefreak doesn't balance for singles.
@@arthurfleck4320 fair enough I guess, thanks for the explanation😁
@@arthurfleck4320blaziken without speed boost is still really good though
@@arthurfleck4320 they don't balance for single battles but they knew the oppresive nature of hazards and added heavy duty boots by gen 8. hazards are almost never seen in vgc yet they added it for the singles players
Meganium not being made Fairy type was such an missed opportunity..
Umm. Buddy, have you played any game before gen 6
@@DCchamp-zn9gk maybe I should have clarified:
I meant that they should have given Meganium the Fairy Type like they did to Gardevoir, Azumarill etc :P
@DCchamp-zn9gk i love how arrogant this reply sounds because everyone except you understood they meant adding it in gen 6, not having it by default lmao
@@DCchamp-zn9gkhave you?
@@ijneb1248 yes. I’ve played gen 2 3 and 4. Let’s not argue
Typhlosion is the only Johto starter _and_ the only Hisuian starter to not make this list. What a win
Thats why we roll with cyndaquil
So glad my buddy keeps winning
I just love him
We take these. Typhlosion forever.
Cyndaquil line my ride or die forever ✊
I think it's worth mentioning that Feraligatr is useful in competitive Pokemon GO now
Also meganium was way stronger in the early seasons of GO Battle League
TIL Pokemon GO has a competitive meta as well
So interesting to me to see how a lot of nuzlocke champions made it pretty high onto this list. I haven't delved too deep into VGC content, Wolfey is kind of gateway, so I find these differences super cool.
And then Meganium. Terrible at both. Forsaken by Arceus. But stinking adorable and I'll love her until I die.
Typhlosion being in the thumbnail but not on the list was a jumpscare and a half
Sceptile's the only mon on the thumbnail that actually made it to the video lol
All three on the thumbnail are my regional picks and I nearly had an ulcer
@@laserbeamlightning Bruh same
same bro
Fortunately scarf eruption will never be bad lol
Wolfe: Think about all the good grass pokemon!:
Rillaboom: Sets up Grassy Terrain, tanks damage, deals damage back
Wo-Chien: ...
Ogerpon: Supports its team, does huge damage
Wo Chien part took me out 🤣
That was vile
Live Wo-Chien Reaction:
}øvø{
I'm kinda surprised Ludicolo wasn't on that list. He sweeps in rain and counters water pokemon.
I don't understand the hate for Wo-Chien. It's ability is basically Intimidate, and it doesn't need to switch out for the drop to take effect.
It’s weird that Wolfey never mentions when over looking stats that having an equal amount of your stat pool committed to both special attack and physical attack stats often is what makes these Pokemon lack specialization in all other stats. Almost always it is better to have one type of attack significantly higher than the other to “free up” stats points for other areas.
I say give Meganium fairy as a secondary typing, give it a little more bulk, and access to a bunch of supporting moves that it doesn't already have. Throw in Moonblast for additional coverage
Typholsion: What is my Purpose?
VGC: You use Choice Scarf Erruption
Typhlosion: Ohh my God...
Loved Typhlosion in triples. Fire Gem boosted Eruption in sunlight, wiped literally half my opponent’s team in a single move.
Bro Hisuian Typhy is good if used right though. I've had it deal with Fluttermane,Basculegion, and even managed to get it to one shot Rapid Strike Urshifu with Eruption so it's really really devastating In singles. Yiu just gotta play around it and be clever. If done right you can end up getting into situations where Typhlosion overwhelms the opponent
and Serperior with Contrary Leaf Storm.
she really needs another move to use with it, like Draco Meteor if she were a dragon type
@soaringraven0 Serperior with Draco meteor would be a nightmare I love it. Plus Tera Dragon that thing And yoh got a monster. Plus choice scarf and damn- Flutter Mane would be pissing their non existent pants
But if you use choice scarf instead of heavy duty boots your eruption loses all of its power the second stealth rocks come out.
Hearing that Hisuian Samurott is "worse" than the normal Samurott sounds like an insult towards someone who plays singles i know Wolfey's opinion on Samurott is based on Doubles (who would've guessed) usage but those words still sound so surreal to a person who only plays singles
if this was about singles the incineroar meme on his videos won't exist
@@lillyie I know but its still just weird hearing such stuff of course you cant compare singles with Doubles its already incomparable because of the existence of Moves like Helping hand or Rage powder/Follow Me which only work for doubles while Moves like Spikes,Stealth rock etc which technically work in doubles are mostly used in singles i just wanted to point it out as something showing just how different both Gamemodes are
That's cause his channel name is wolfey "vgc"
Maybe if it wasn't in a format dominated by a Fairy type delete button, and if Rapid didn't exist, it might have eventually found a niche, but yeah, H-Sam just isn't anything special in Doubles
For you non singles players H-Samu is OU (top tier) and normal is *ZU* (the 6th and worst tier). The difference between the 2 is insane
I was so worried about the last slot going to my boy Typhlosion that I forgot Meganium existed.
13 seconds to mention incineroar must be a record, even for Wolfey
Pokemon: breaks the fire and fighting cycle
Wolfe: “Delphox is forgettable”
Me: Always remembers Delphox for that reason lol.
fr Delphox is my fave starter pokemon lmfaoo maybe that’s just cause it was my first starter though
Forgettable was just not fair to call it.
@@vampirelibrarian777 Delphox is the best starter ever and my dead psychic companion
i've always thought people would like it more if it had a better pose in-game, it looks so boring how it's always a-posing, just look at how much cooler it looks on the fanmade animated sprite wolfey used in the video
@@freedom3208 100% agree. So weird that it's just standing up straight, and then the ear fire could've been cool if it was animated or actual fire. Definitely my favorite to use in XY and so disappointing they missed so hard with the 3D model
Meganium: *How many times must I be thrown under the bus...*
Until the end of time itself
Or I could end Time himself with my Meganium, wait for a bit, I’m gonna go destroy Dialga(Again).
Niantic genuinely took pity on the thing lmao
Feraligatr as well for that matter.
We need the fairy type for her if we her in ZA
Hearing this makes me want to make a competitive Meganium. Hell all of them!
19:48 It also travels through vents.
Because it's a mushroom so it has spores.
**Emboar:**
1) _item held:_ *leppa berry*
2) _moveset (in this order bc one move works in a specific order):_
*_• Rest_*
*_• Sleep Talk_*
*_• Bulk up_*
*_• Fire Punch_*
3) _ability:_ *doesn't really matter, but whatever works best with the above moveset)*
4) _primary fully maxed & bred-for stat:_ *Special Defense.*
5) _secondary fully maxed or bred-for stat:_ *Attack.*
This big angy piggy carried many of my teams in gens 5-7. Locally competitively, at that.
emboar lmao
@@lightningvolt3150 xD it's like the Spanish Inquisition: *_"NEUWBOH'Y EHKSPECTS US!!!"_* And I know emboar is garbage but I love to egg breed & super/hyper train horrible Pokémon in cycles to catch competitive players off guard.
But still...
HM, EMBOAR. **Laughs, Sips Blo'Hole Blast**
The ability actually matters, if you're reckless you have no ability, depending on the ability you would change fire punch to flare blitz (you would still be walled really hard by any mon with flash fire or if it resist fire)
@@ruinguardwillcommitacrimea6213 solution: Just have backup. It's why I ran Greninja with 🎲.
@@SevNeijiVee "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites."
Whoa good thing Wo-chien has the Tablets of Ruin. Dude is out here catching strays.
I just noticed that the Hoenn starter's abilities mainly revolves around speed.
Sceptile - Unburden
Blaziken - Speed Boost
Swampert (Mega) - Swift Swim
GO GO GO G-G-G-G-GO GO!
GOTTA GO FAST!
with blaziken mega also having SB
DAMP!!!
Interesting because that game had the mach bike which at the time made the player move faster than ever before previously.
Additionally, all the Kanto Starter's abilities center around the use of Weather.
Venusaur - Chlorophyll, Charizard - Solar Power & Blastoise - Rain Dish
& the abilities of Galar Starters mostly revolve around higher damage output. Rillaboom gets to use boosted Grass moves under the Grassy Terrain, Cinderace is able to receive STAB on any type, & Inteleon with Sniper does increased damage whenever it lands critical hits.
it's almost as if grass is a horrifically weak type in general with as many weaknesses as the other two starter types combined. the only thing grass is useful for is hitting water/ground pokemon
Grass' type matchups aren't really where grass shines though. It's the unique characteristics and abilities grass types have which makes them useful (especially the fact that powder and spore moves don't work at all on grass types)
@@MeargleSchmeargle those are traits that were added later, and none of that matters if you can't survive more than 2 or 3 turns in battle
Unburden felt like a betrayal for Sceptile, especially after Blaziken got Speed Boost. Exactly like you said, Sceptile's already fast out of the gate... What I think would have been the better idea, would've been to give Sceptile Sharpness instead. STAB for 50%, Overgrow for 50%, and Sharpness for 50%, and you'd be looking at a 150% damage increase to certain moves, like Leaf Blade. And for Mega, if Sceptile's had DROUGHT instead of lightning rod, you'd be able to land Solar Blade successively with NO charge up, which stacks with STAB, Overgrow, and Sharpness... on top of that, the dragon type provided with Mega would help defend sceptile from any fire types boosted by the drought effect.
If Swampert gets a new ability, bro will be a huge threat imo
Justice for my Boi swampert
It’s mega ability has taken over national dex in Pokémon showdown, so broken
Like sap sipper?
No for real though, they could give it regenerator
It actually has almost the same stats as Incineroar, 5 more HP, 5 less attack, and 5 more special attacks. Give it regenerator and some decent support moves and it'd be amazing in VGC
Sap sipper :)
@@DiverseComedyGaming sadly it’s not the same for vgc where all he gets is damp
Short answer: inceinaror if it was the worst.
Incineroar vs contrary
the fact that Feraligatr and Torterra are Terrible competively hurts me sooo much
13:26 killing shiny psyduck is a warcrime
Hisuian Samurott is like the epitome of a singles mon. In singles it can change the game, in doubles ur basically already down 3 to 4. But cool otter mustache 😎
Hazards are kind of worthless in Doubles since you don't switch nearly as often as in Singles. In Singles, Hamurott is a menace since it will do a huge chunk of damage + set up spikes 90% of the time. Even max bulk Pelipper is eating 31 - 37% of its HP from a single Ceaseless Edge from a Jolly Samurott. Rillaboom is eating 45 - 53% without bulk investment.
I was about to comment about how good it is in singles. Thanks!
Contrary to popular VGC belief, gamefreak does actually consider competitive singles sometimes when it comes to designing mons and moves.
Incineroar is the opposite of Hamurott, which is funny since they're both dark type starters. The Heel Wrestling cat dominates VGC while in Singles, it's in Neverused tier.
Iirc Feraligatr also has a notable presence in singles
If serperior didn't have contrary, Unova would have the worst starters in competitive
could also say the same about Johto if Typhlosion didn't get a Hisuian form
Honestly I think they're the worst trio of all time and we got stuck with them for two games straight 😭
Nah, its have high speed mid defence, good for supporting
Its have glare, a recovery move(im forget the name but grass type move), and coil. Atleast its do something for me
@@Robscule Synthesis?
When Gen 5 came out, I hacked in a Sandile as my starter, because it was more interesting to me than the starters they offered.
Bayleef is my favorite Pokemon. So I was waiting to hear all about Meganium...
The thumbnail is my favorite starter of each type -_-
9:29 OK but that sprite art of Delphox goes so hard. Way better than it's 3D counterpart, even in SV.
nah I thought the same thing
Why are you watching this crap he's probably a child molester.
What you don't like the unmoving traffic cone?
As someone who had Chikorita as my FIRST Pokémon EVER.
I saw the number one slot coming.
For Delphox, I like to use the Flannery strat which is Overheat + White Herb. This is a good way for me to get use out of Magician but again, it's good for most situations.
I love when creators put it in little sound bytes of other games that I happen to be playing
Wolfey you’re going to start my villain meganium arc. I will win a tournament with meaganium.
as someone who wants to do the same with Blaziken, I hope at least one of us will win and show the world what our starters can REALLY do
I love Fraligator. So I might be willing enough to attempt it one day, just to add to the stat page.
Go ahead
@@alexwijaya6857 not sure about the other guys, but I made a pretty good team and got to the Great Ball tier (I don't have much time to push)
I don’t think I ever registered how similar Meganium’s stats are to Venusaur’s. They basically took 20 of Venusaur’s special attack and put it in defense. That’s obviously massive in VGC where games are so fast-paced, and Venusaur’s Poison typing is mostly helpful. But it’s wild how one of the best Grass types ever looks so statistically similar to the worst Grass-type starter. They really gave Venusaur everything under the sun.
Venu having Sleep Powder, Chlorophyll, and STAB Sludge Bombs goes a loooong way especially with that extra spattk. Not to mention it got both a Mega and GMax to keep it relevant over gens
That's because Meganium and the other gen 2 staters base stats are literally copy pasted from the gen 1 starters. Feraligatr's stats are the same values as Blastoise, just flipped to be offensive and Typhlosion is the exact same as Charizard.
Hehe. Everything under the SUN indeed
@@Mintysaur I didn’t realize the pun until I said it, but I stand by it 😝
Learn something new all the time from wolfey ive had legends arc for a year and totally forgot about hisu samur
I love how he doesn't miss a single opportunity to hate on Incineroar
I love how wolfey mentioned wo-chien just for existing.
There is a non-zero chance that the 8 Starters showcased in this video are the 8 favorite Starters of someone.
That person is unhinged if they exist
and it sucks for them that those pokemon sucks,and they deserve better
I could totally believe all the grass starters here were someone's favourites because they are all really cool
I’d believe it. Majority of what is covered in this video is not relevant to what makes people decide their favorite starter. The start of the video says as much, it’s just looking at competitive viability.
Samurott and Decidueye are my 2 favorite starters. Both were given non sensical trash stat distributions, useless abilities and a mid movepool and nothing to compensate
I found that torterra with leftovers, curse, giga drain, leech seed and whatever 4th move you want is pretty good to get through sinnoh
Chikorita line is so weak that it feels like one of those Grass Types you can just get in early routes (Hoppip, etc)
Charizard: What if I stopped being a flying type?
Typhlosion: 😮
what if I had eruption:
Zard: -What if?- I am gonna get 2 mega evolutions in the next game
The worse thing is people run Bayleaf Eviolite in competitive over meganium 😢
Yep. As someone who likes the line, it get ALL the relevant moves (Reflect, Light Screen, Giga Drain and Heal Pulse if you get it as an Egg Move) with 120 in both defenses being better than Meganium's 100. Like, if you wanted Meganium to Do It's Job, the job its movepool says it should do, cute 40 Speed and a lot of Atk since it uses neither, give that to defenses and SpAtk, put it in Trick Room, and let it be the annoying screen-setter/drainer it WANTS to be.
the kingdom hearts sound effects and kid icarus uprising music are real cool in this video. feels like fun easter eggs
Meganium was my first starter Pokemon so I love it, and it hurts to always know it's going to be listed as the worst starter Pokemon. Already knew it was going to be #1 on this list :/
Maybe one day they'll give it Grass-Fairy regional form with good stats and moves.
I remember a tier list of worst starters and Meganium had its own tier called Meganium
Ironically it was the best starter of the 3 when it came out in gen 2.
@@thundereagle4130 i reaaaaally doubt it
@@iancastro1327 Watch False Swipes Gaming's video about Maganium or look up some Smogon articles about the gen 2 meta game/Meganium.
Tough ''good'' is subjective. All 3 starters where bad. Only Meganium had some good matchups since the gen 2 meta is all about bulk.
In my tier list, it's only one in the F rank and I'm just mad about it.
@@thundereagle4130 That's not when it came out. We didn't get "metas" until ADV. That was when the game as we know it started being played. Everything before then was just using stadium as a medium.
I love how some rom hacks give Meg the Triage ability along with draining kiss and the fairy typing. That plus a little more bulk and shes viable.
You also need to give it Calm Mind and/or Earth Power since it doesn't have them already. Grass and Fairy are both negged by Fire, Poison, and Steel types. Without a way to set up or hit those types for SE damage (I mean, it does have EQ), it's just going to be a particularly fat lizard rather than a real threat.
The stock footage used when Wolfey was describing a toddler driving a ferrari to have it on fire and flying though the air was absolutely mental
While I will agree that Torterra lax, meaningful competitive impact, calling it the worst starter from its generation is down right egregious.
That wo chien slander at 19:56 made me laugh.😂
What makes Long Reach worse is that Spirit Shackle, Decidueye's signature move, already doesn't make contact.
Don't you dare make my boy Typhlosion cry.
13:29 calling Samurott a narwhal made me cringe so fucking hard
That Wo-Chien subtle diss was hilarious.
I love how this isn’t a “Best Starter” video because if you’re familiar with Wolfey, you already know the answer
There's no competition for best double battles Starter.
hint: it's a dual Fire type, introduced after gen 2 and before gen 8, has one of the most broken abilities and used to have a signature move, before it was turned into a TM the following gen
"Delphox is one of the most forgettable starters ever"
Not in certain parts of the internet it's not (though even in that case, it's overshadowed by its pre-evolution)
Did you install the larger windscreen on your Shure SM7B just over top of the small one?
Every pokemon I chose as a starter in every game making this list.
ME TOO HOW
Yeah, that hurts
it's alright. all these mons have their different purposes. Some of them are decent in singles, some are good when playing through the game, and decidueye is really cool in pokemon unite.
It's unfortunate what happened to magnium. It's a sun based grass type born in a gen without abilities or strong weather. As the gens went on it never got the buffs or expanded movepools that other starters got and so it just kinda stayed bad.
Conceptually meganium would be a good mon for running things like bodyslam, synthesis, solar beam, stun spore, leech seed, (follow me if we're talking doubles), rest, maybe even earthquake or some other coverage move for damage. It would basically sit there and deal chip damage while healing in the sun and spreading status. In theory a pretty cool mon.
Could also use a second typing, grass dragon ,or grass fair would work fine.@@FlamingZelda3
proposed new meganium signature ability: flower power
during intense sunlight, all healing is doubled (leech seed, leftovers, giga drain, etc) and passive damage is halved (poison, burn, toxic, etc)
...or they just do what Radical Red did? Make it grass/fairy and give it Comfey's ability of priority on all heal moves? (yes, that includes moves like Giga Drain, meaning prio Giga Drain)
Still trash... it needs better bulk and movepool... i hope they give it a mega form and boost the right stats in that form
@@exgardevior Arguably fairy typing is the best type in the game alongside steel. Sure, it'll not be seen in OU and doubles, but it might at least make it viable in the lower tiers.
@@Dragonoid269 people fangirl fairy typing too much, i don't see it being that good defensively unless paired with another S tier typing (like fairy steel and fairy water) and it also synergizes poorl with grass, they don't compensate each other at all. Honestly i think meganium is a lot cause it would need a major rework, and something that actually matters, should probably start by giving it spore, then maybe something else can start mattering.
@@luigimanzelli3786 It's the math on the type chart that actually says Fairy is way too strong. Defensively, the 5 best types are Steel, Ghost, Poison, Fire, and Fairy according to the math. Fire is held back defensively by being the only type that is weak to BOTH of the top 2 offensive types. For the record, Water and Electric are 6th and 7th, and no other types can reasonably be considered good defensive typings. Offensively, Ground and Rock take the top 2 spots indisuptably, being the only two types with more super effective interactions than resisted/immune, and on top of that ALSO having a large number of super effective interactions. There are only 5 types that have equal numbers on each side, those being Fire, Water, Ice, Flying, and Fairy. Those are the top 7 offensive typings. In addition, there are other good coverages types for seeking neutral/super effective damage, either through having a lot of things it hits for super effective damage like Fighting or by having very few things that it doesn't hit for neutral or better like Dragon or Ghost. Other offensive typings have their niches to be sure, but this is just how the chart breaks down.
If you'll notice there, Fairy, Fire, and Water are the only ones appearing in the top 7 on both sides. But, Fairy also has the distinction of not having negative interactions defensively with any of the good offensive types. The only way to take advantage of its weaknesses is to use bad moves. The reason Fairy is the single best type in the game is because it is good on both offense and defense, without the glaring weaknesses to other top contenders that the rest have. To be fair... Steel is a horrible offensive type, but also by far the best defensive type. As in, if you take every possible type combination, there are 171 possible typings, and the top 15 are all Steel dual typings. It is a contender for best type not by being good at everything, but by being so much better than everything else at what it does that you cannot ignore it.
All this to say... if you're asking what the best type is, the only ones even in contention are Steel, Fairy, and Ground. There isn't a legitimate argument for any of the rest.
A bit wordy here, but since I've done all this breaking down, a few more notes won't hurt. Water and Fire both resist 3 of the top 7 offensive typings, and while Fire has a better balance of weaknesses to resistances it is also weak to both of the top 2 offensive types while water is weak to 0 of the top 7 just like Fairy. However, where Water may have a debatable lead defensively due to how important its specific resistances and weaknesses are by comparison, Fire is the better offensive type to balance that out, both hitting exactly 1 of the top 7 defensive types for super effective damage and Fire's being the objectively best defensive type, while Fire also just hits more total types for super effective damage on top of that.
Short summary... Type chart math. That's what makes Fairy the best type in the game.
You got me with the thumbnail. I was gonna say “no way Typhlosion is worse than Meganium”
Notice there’s no Chesnaught to be seen here- proof that y’all hate him because you’re told to hate him. Keep my squirrel’s name out ya mouth
Thank you fellow Chesnaught fan
Chesnaught Is súper Bulky and got cool support moves , Pretty good my Man
I think chestnaught is hated for it's design not his usefulness it looks like a weird grandpa.
@@gergabbin933 exactly. when first heared the community hated the final evolution of chespin (who is f.cking cool, design-wise), i was like "wht? really?". then its final evo came to my mind, together with greninja&delphox, and i was like "understandable.."
FACTS chesnaught underrated defensive god
Meganium’s comeback in Pokemon ZA is gonna be amazing
Mega evolution with fairy typing
@@thezerowulf2046even better? Give it a new regionsl form and give that a mega too that way even if megas dont come back meganium can still exist.
As an Emboar fan I'll always be so pissed about it having 100 special attack... just WHY ?! It's physical attack is much better and it has the reckless ability so who the hell is gonna run flamethrower on this thing ? It should have 60 S.A and a bonus 20 in both defenses to at least have a different play style than the last two fire starters 💀😭
The fact they didn't give Meganium Flower Veil as soon as they got the chance is wild to me. It's just a straight buff to Leaf Guard that still wouldn't be enough to make it good. I know Meganium technically did have a niche in Gen 2, but yeah, it's really got nothing outside of that short space.
I would be interested in what you think these starters might need to get a niche now though? I feel like Grassy Surge is the only option for Meganium, it'd still be worse than Rillaboom, but it's at least a niche alternative that could be considered, maybe Dragon Dance or Quiver Dance to give it something to do? Samurott is most obviously Shell Smash, right, maybe it would also need Swift Swim to function though for speed changing reasons? I have no idea with Decidueye though... I guess Hoothoot could learn Shift Gear and breed it into Rowlet, but nothing else makes sense to me short of overhauling the stats completely or giving something stupid like Speed Boost?
Solid Rock Torterra and 5+ in Sp. Def could be a nice start
Is it bad that after talking about Samurott and Decidueye I whole heartedly expected number 1 to be my boy Typhlosion COMPLETELY FORGETTING that Meganium existed? lol
The thing is Typhlosion actually has a niche as a fast Eruption user, having great speed and usable SpAtt and access to the aforementioned Eruption, it is actually usable unlike most of the stuff on this list.
@@user-ir1rs7jq6u Hisuian Samurott was done dirty for being an OU pokemon. But then again, he was purely speaking from a VGC standpoint
Magician Delfox was fun in generation 6! I stole so many Assault Vests and survived hits that would have otherwise knocked out Delfox! I was an anti meta player and saw the “communication error has occurred” screen a lot back then XD
Honestly the bit of pronouncing Meganium’s name differently every time you reference it is hilarious
-finds video
-sees typhlosion on the thumbnail
-clicks on video seeing if its on the list
-it’s not
-sigh of relief
At least the Chikorita line redeems itself in Mystery Dungeon where she can be a good enough partner... I guess?
I mean Mystery dungeon balancing is strange, skitty of all Pokémon is the completely over powered starter.
The thumbnail showing the crying Empoleon rlly scared me, just yesterday I was seeing how the ability "competitive" made the little penguin a menace.
weird choice to include him fr lol
Maybe that Empoleon has torrent lol
It’s funny those three thumbnail choices are my three favorites 😂
@4:52 I love how you made it look like you were mocking the person who played Emboar in competitive play but it turns out it WAS all along…
Wolfey never fails to include inceneroar in some form in every video
Hard to say whether it is more ubiquitous in these videos or on VGC teams.
Well, in a starters video with VGC included Is almost imposible not mention Incineroar Lets be real XD
The best part about meganium is that it’s essentially a hard mode for g/s/c/hg/ss
And people said black and white 2 were the first ones to add difficulty settings, god bless gschgss
@@therobotfromirobot I remember as a kid my sister picked chickorita and struggled so hard to get past those first two gyms I felt so bad for her lol
@@lingus1382 Me too, dude. Typhlosion is still hands down my favourite Pokémon ever, but little me loved chikorita in the cartoon and struggled through the game
@@lingus1382 i literally tried a chickorita only run.
Well never got it past Arena 2 😂
typhlosion nowhere on the list?
*SCORE!*
a good day for my beloved basic stage cyndaquil
I am not sure if you'll see this in time but I was wondering if someone can explain something for me. I am going to the LA regionals and noticed that the event is 24th-26th. If the torney proper starts on the 25th what is happening on the 24th? Is it the registration or are there other things to do while there and that first day is a sort of free day? I have never been to a regional so I have no clue.
My beef with Sceptile is how they kinda ruined its identity the next generation. Sceptile was supposed to be a fast PHYSICAL attacker, Leaf Blade and all that, learns good cutting/slashing moves. Oh but now we're in Gen 4 so those moves are useless now cause you're still a special attacker ._. idk why they didn't AT LEAST swap Sceptile's Atk and Spl Atk going into Gen 4. Resulted later in Mega Sceptile being a lizard with a rocket tail ???
This so much. GF's design sense for Sceptile is criminally bad.
Sceptile was never a physical attacker. In gen 3 it was still a special attacker, but grass moves were all special in gen 3 so leaf blade was actually good on it. Then when the physical/special split came in gen 4 they made leaf blade physical which made it a worse option on Sceptile but a good option for the other pokemon that got access to it in gen 4, with Sceptile now having energy ball to replace leaf blade. Energy ball and leaf blade even have the same base power so Sceptile didn't lose anything, if anything it preferres energy ball over leaf blade because of energy ball's chance to lower the target's special defense instead of leaf blade's higher critical hit chance.
@@XC11301991 phys and sp. attack split only came after gen 3 lmao
@@Palosaks facts
Knowing Gamefreak, they probably just didn't want to have all 3 Hoenn starters be physical attackers.
Feraligatr : Disrespected
Inteleon : Missing
Inteleon saw (very very minor) usage in SwSh with Razor Claw Gigantamax Shenagans.
Inteleon may not be amazing, but it's definitely stronger than any of these starters
That's because Feraligator's stats are Too Balanced. It doesn't excel at ANYTHING other water types cannot do. Meanwhile Inteleon goes the opposite direction with amazing speed and special attack but frail af and the attack is only middling at best. Greninja is SLIGHTLY faster but also a weaker special attacker, Primarina is SLIGHTLY higher SpAtk but much slower, while the only other Water Type to beat all three is Iron Bundle as of Gen9. So it has a niche last gen: super fast water special attacker.
@@Kereea inteleon has bad stats, compared to the other Galar Starters. And Primarina is reasonably Slower. And Water Types are considered the Bulkier Type, and Inteleon is not one of the Bulkier mons. And it's sadly isn't a fan-favorite like Feraligatr is.
@@hellothere2570 at least the Mid-Mons would handle Inteleon.
In the Renegade Platinum Rom meant for Nuzlocking, they gave Meganium Fairy typing and Feraligatr Dark, and it did absolute WONDERS for their bulk and versatility
No way you give props to the ugly af bird but don't talk about how cool samurott looks.
The jab at MoxieBoosted’s usage of Wo-Chien at 19:57 still got me laughing
care to explain? I don't know the backstory but sounds fun
MoxieBoosted brings Wo-Chien to every regional