Lambo V12 makes 90 NA AWHP with 1 WEIRD exhaust! Concept Aventador system dyno w/ INSANE results!
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Don’t comment till you hear 23:11 🔊⬆️🤯
is it broken? Why is it so raspy?
Commenting before 23:11
Tell me you used to twist wires together when you were younger in the middle of summer without telling me you used to twist wires together, when you were younger in the middle of summer. I know wire is expensive these days but goodlord man. Make the wire longer and charge for gas to get it.
@@0WhyNot3 the microphone is the problem and the v12 is really loud
@0WhyNot3 honestly I don't get why people aren't being honest. It sounds awful... it sounds like a motocross bike at idle and low rpm and it has no high rpm pitch at all it's loud but awful
i still dislike it lol. and no, it doesnt "sound like an f1 car". (but to be fair i generally dislike the sounds of lamborghini v12), HP gains are nice tho :)
Growing up and being in the car scene in late 90’s to mid 2000’s, turbocharged cars were rare and very lusted after. Now that everything is turbocharged, i lust after these NA screamers.
Exhaust is a work of art!
Long live the V12
I've always been about NA because of the sound, smooth power delivery and I'm not trying to go fast so idc about power, turbos are def the future when it comes to efficiency but NA experience is just different and a lot more enjoyable.
Same.
V12 will never die, it's automotive tradition. They will make anything like EV just able to make V12.
@@GF-mf7mlprobably. I hate EVs but as long as N/A engines are around, i dont care.
na hybrid 🤓 lighter more power, torque from 0 to 3500 depending on design. keep the growl, and never be stranded. some can run ev only by choice and use regeneration from brakes and motion as well as heat. then the engine only runs to charge battery.
most are multifuel as well. able to run nitromethane and alchol.
0:45 Incredible that this is the first time in all of the youtube videos I've watched where someone recording loud exhaust (or other automotive noise) has noticed that the audio is completely blown out and clipped.
Insane gains for NA especially on a car that comes pretty high strung from the factory
It comes restrained from the factory
@@gated6 yes all cars do… usually Aventadors only gain 40-60 crank from exhaust & tune. This much AWHP gain without forced induction is wild especially on a dyno dynamics!
@@donnydumper2879 I had a slightly bigger gain with only exhaust and tune, on a mustang dyno
Absolutely insane. And drivability is even more insane I'm sure.
I can't imagine what this sounds like in person... never heard an aventador v12 breathe so freely
Just as an FYI: VW AG does not stand for „Volkswagen Audi Group“ but „Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft“
Danke
Volkswagen Stock Corporation
In America, it's the Volkswagen Group of America, also *commonly* referred to as Volkswagen Audi Group (or VAG), even though that's not an official name.
Understanding that foreign brands rebrand or even change their name when they venture into other countries is pretty important. I've seen a lot of Germans online get upset about American pronunciations of German words and brands, but that's how they were originally marketed in the US, and that's what stuck.
@@jameshaulenbeek5931 selber
For me 10/10 all across the board, well done, very good work and very professional.
You guys are checking all the boxes! Unique sound, efficient power gains through entire rev range, and innovative Fab work! 👌👍
It honestly was “what can we do that nobody else is doing that still could theoretically improve power?” We didn’t expect these numbers and were kinda just 🙏 it made the same or a bit more power than other systems tested. We are glad it worked out cause it would have been an expensive mistake 😮💨😆
Car sounds AMAZING when actually moving down the road and wicking the throttle up!!🔥🔥🔥🔥💪🏼
It sounds like a car in an 80s video game. I respect the work that went into it, I’ve never heard anything quite like it.
Sounds unique and that power gain is impressive idk why people are hating
lol i can get why people say "i don't care for it" but some people are just roasting us like we we're claiming it was the best sounding thing ever... But its the internet and we asked for it in the video!
With design, especially this one, you don't know till you try. We really wanted to see if the scavenging would improve gains, and i feel like we accomplished it. Its sounds brutal in person, but unique is definitely the right word! Thanks for the support!
This is so sick. Absolutely love it. From how it looks to how it sounds and proves the concept. Great to see this much thought and effort put into these things you guys design.
Sound awful
Sounds silky smooth. Screw boost, revs and displacement for the win
Great job honestly that’s wild and sounds good on the fix you guys did with the audio
🔥🔥 that’s amazing work
Car sounds great outdoors, the technology behind the design is the best part, with power gains like that
I remember watching you on another channel before and I am so glad you started putting out more content like this. Seriously impressive results and wild sound!
I'm assuming LegitStreetCars Porsche?
Ditto
Nicely done FMU team!
Your content is getting better and better the more you make.
Keep it up👊
Thanks!
From an engineers prospective that's some achievement, from a car guy prospective there are other tuners who have better sounding exhaust.
Again great work, should be proud of your horse power gains that's some great achievement.
Sound is subjective. Our “neighbor” has the system in question. It’s different. Better for camera, but our system is much more “intense” in person. Very visceral. Hard to quantify in video ya know? But really appreciate the feedback.
@@FluidMotorUnion Exhaust systems seems easier to have accomplished a good sound. Thus imo gaining max horses from an exhaust system is a greater achievement than sound, so I absolutely agree. It also sounds more of a track beast than a cover girls lamborghini in my opinion lol
You have to remember R32 , they're running a hell of a lot more pipe AND through a bunch of cats....most aftermarket exhaust for these remove the cats or at least some of them to get the sound, and are typically just short runs of pipe for $12k + which is ridiculous, have you ever priced an exhaust for one of these from a "boutique exhaust" manufacturer? It's typically upwards of 12k easily and I've seen as much as 20k.... for literally 4 total feet of pipe if that, no mufflers, no resonators, no nothing, just bare pipe.... don't understand that, especially when there's a jig already made from the first, and you look at another nice car with tens of extra feet in piping, resonators, mufflers, high flow cats, and and that'll be like 4k max.... it's like they know you bought the car so you'll just pay whatever for the exhaust.... and I'm not talking about the first exhaust run.
@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 yes…! “certain” systems are clearly a money grab… gold coatings and a “frequency balance tube” that only adds aesthetic complication to what would be 5 feet of tube. It’s frustrating trying to tell a customer why what we’re building using a decade and a half of experience is better but costs a touch less. This was a concept that I’m thrilled worked out cause it would have been a costly redo!!! 🤣
Lol you say you are an engineer, then proceed to say congrats on the 90 hp gain from the exhaust system. Lol 😂 that exhaust didn't do anything. And the Gintani system sounds better.
Great job! Sounds good!
Nice work, you're definitely winning your David vs Goliath battle. Awesome sounding exhaust!
Awesome work & shop!
Great job!
Great job guys
Great work as always guys!
You as well brother! I enjoyed the hidden hills svj.
i prefer this to the higher pitched exhausts, love the deeper tone👌
Amazed by your craftmanship, unbelievable power gains!
Ngl, we are probably equally as amazed by the gains! Much more than we were hoping for!
Dont sweat the short video. Be you and enjoy the ride OJ! Hope the Lambo world comes pounding your door down to buy this exhaust and tune.
The only thing I sweated was that when I heard the video I knew it didn’t capture what it sounded like. Doesn’t matter if you like it or not, sound was way off.
But I said “the last video on this car only got 2500 views, we’ll get getter mics, who’s gonna care?” And we released it anyway… well then short gets 250k plus! Facepalm moment…🤦♂️
Regardless if anyone likes it now it sounds “more” like it does in real life 👍
@@FluidMotorUnion Got it! I truly appreciate the excellence and innovation you bring to customers and viewers. Thx OJ and staff.
Dude, much respect!
Well done FMU. Sounds great, awesome gains, well executed quality performance modification there.
Thanks for the feedback!
keep up the good work and keep posting videos
I think it sounds sick. Nice work
Absolutely sensational!
That is such a unique exhaust note you guys have achieved. I have a handful of clients that come to my shop with factory exhaust systems to fi exhaust systems you name it. None of them have the sound of yours. So congratulations on making a new box, not just thinking outside of the box.
It almost sounds like one the old Lamborghini Countachs with an aftermarket exhaust. The newer v12 Lamborghinis have a much different exhaust sound than the older analog Countach cars.
Those power gains are very impressive.
The Sound reminds me of the Old Lamborghini's like countach and diablo which is something different and cool than the high revving "F1" exhaust trend going on in the market🔥👌
The F1 exhausts are played out I'd say. This one is reminiscant of the 1991 McLaren mp4/6 with the Honda RA121E engine which is just lovely. And with the HP gains, and the ability to be both catted and catless with a button is a win-win combo.
23:20 is mad!!! Awesome work
Shoutout to the videographer / editor for 4K 20:9
I'd prefer 21:9, but you did a great job regardless.
A satin black Lamborghini Aventador LP-700-4 has been my dream car since I was in elementary school.
It honestly sounds like a 2GR with that F1 header mod, sounds good though.
I was disapointed by the first video...but thank goodness for this one! The car sounds amazing!
Glad to hear it!
Those dyno numbers were 🤯
Am I the only one who kinda hears a V6 from that exhaust note? It’s not the most pleasant noise from a V12 tbh. It’s not the high pitch whaling that would be more admirable to most.
That might just be because it needs more work, but that’s what I noticed. Or I just prefer that high pitch scream. The gains are still impressive, I’m not gonna take that away.
100% Its different.
Video doesn’t capture the intensity of this thing. In person the system punches you in the chest and makes you cover your ears. I think the flyby portion of the video best captures it, but we have the comparison of the other system in there too. It’s won’t be for everyone but it does make power!
@@FluidMotorUnioncan u use another device to record I believe you but can’t see for ourselves
No you are definitely not the only one. I hear a v6 sound as well and really I’m not trying to hate or anything at all, I just don’t think it sounds good. The gains and engineering process was awesome tho! I think it’s unique
Fuckin awesome work. And an even more awesome mustache. I hope this car gets you guys the recognition that you deserve. 70AWHP from just an exhaust is FUCKING INSANE!!!
I’m sure this absolutely made more power and sounds awesome. But was this amount of effort put into the stock dyno run? Seems like you were learning how to extract every ounce of power from it with the new system installed. If the same effort was put into the stock dyno run then you’d already know the quirks of the car and how to get the perfect dyno run by the time the new system was installed. Just curious what a stock car would make if you did the exact same sequence per run. Keep up the great videos!!!
A one way check valve and a three way valve, this is a common function in the old HVAC pneumatic systems found in commercial buildings hospitals, high rise buildings etc.
These components where widely used and manufactured by Honeywell Robertshaw Barber Coleman & Johnson Controls.
Amazing!
i learn to separate,yutubers with cars, they do anything just for the views even a dumb idea,they"ll do it while car guy with youtube, they focus for the cars, they try to be better, and not worry about the view
5500rpm and up range is just amazing. Even if the car is cold the owner will feel the huge difference in power.
He did. That was him and his son talking about it in the end.
@@FluidMotorUnion And look at the torque under that, and torque in general. 75wtq down low and 75whp+ up top, very impressive gains and sound.
I was expecting a higher pitched sound but it's deeper and more retro like a Countach. Maybe it needs to be a true equal length system to get it screaming? You can achieve that with new headers. Really impressive power gains, bravo!
We were anticipating a bit higher pitch as well, although I still feel as though the audio clips don't give full justice to the tone. Think you really have to see it in person to get the full experience... when that thing is going down the road man does it scream, you can feel it resonate inside your chest! Less curves would definitely be more ideal, as would a longer section behind the collector, but you can only do so much within the space constraints... We're happy with it, and our customer is thrilled with the sound and power so that's a win in my book!
I’d like a new exhaust on my lambo. I need a Lamborghini first though.
Lmfao! My comment made it on the video! I knew it would be used for ur next video!
lol thanks for the help with the content 🤣
@@FluidMotorUnion no problem! It was my pleasure! 😂
Man i want this style header on my LS
Nice!
Sounds great 👍 power gain also very well done. I have a question: on the original dyno graph the line looked smooth. The new line is a bit wobbly... Can you notice that during driving?
No it’s the way our dyno syncs up the the two beds, it’s more pronounced now that the gains are increased, has trouble syncing them up. They smoothed out the more we did after but it’s not super interesting to show the 40 runs we did on this car and what we think the differences were between each run. We cut 10 min of dyno talk cause it was 💤…
Awesome
I think an electric actuator would have been easier on that valve well done great work looks and goes terrific
Nice work guys!! Are the dyno numbers weather corrected? If so what correction factor is used?
Top shelf.
14% increase over a factory supercar is a little hard to believe. Did you use the same procedure with the stock dyno run? I don't like to see that wavy power curve. Something's up with the exhaust tuning. I'd like to see a drag race. Trap speed never lies.
It’s true if u look up Exaust scavenge effect it’s like supercharging an engine w the exhaust system. As the exhaust leaves the car it sucks new air in on the opposite piston using back pressure kinda like a 2 stroke
@@kylenverner106 everything said after exhaust scavenge is incorrect. It also implies the manufacturer and engineers that built the car originally have no idea how the exhaust system works in combination with the rest of engine.
Scavenge is a result of optimising pressure wave pulse timing with pipe grouping based on firing order.
Fun fact. If the system is well designed and built you only move the peak performance up or down the rpm range due pulse wave speed being directly related to engine rpm, pipe diameter and pipe length.
Every thing is always a compromise
Amazing :)
Impressive innovation. Would love to see a 1/4 mile before after.
We built this system thinking it would produce a slightly better or at least equally as good power gains as other aftermarket systems we’ve tested, while having an interesting sound with the firing order. We would have gone at it completely differently if we expected this type of gains. Calling this more of a discovery than anything 🤣
I can't believe you guys did all that R&D and spent that much time building such a great system and left the cats on the car. Thats crazy, it would sound so much better with them deleted and likely would free up some more power
Look at the system again… closely… very closely
@@FluidMotorUnion ah....i see 😀
Nice !!!!
I really wonder if the lambo would make more power if the catalytic converter were deleted
Great video FMU
Look closely at the system, and go back to the planning video… I bet you can see what we did..
It’s a shame you put the rear cover back on, covering up that work of art. Looks incredible. But yeah, video quality…better lighting and white walls would make a world of difference.
Can an ECU from a 2001 Saturn be hacked? I built a custom intake with a Pontiac supercharger. I'm leaning towards a 4-cylinder Colorado ECU as they both have 7 tooth reluctor wheels and I have hp tuners. I just don't know if you can switch off the cam sensor as the Saturn doesn't have one. I'd have to convert to coil on plug
I am all about form over function. Until I heard it run down the road though I had my doubts. Definitely sounds better out of the dyno room. I was wondering what the temp trigger was set at. Thought maybe you could drop the "Up to temp" trigger some.
Those graphs are interesting, is that waviness from constructive and destructive interference in exhaust pulses?
No simply the awd interaction between the front and rear rollers and how the software interprets it. Look up aventador DynoDynamics graphs on google and you’ll see ours is actually a bit smoother. If I pull graphs from front or rear separately, it’s smoother. We had 10 extra min of explaining these differences but it’s was actually quite boring.
Suuuhhhhhweet!!
Looks like something for distilling liquor or a cappuccino machine, either way, its sick piece of art.
How much of the gain is because the baseline /stock was heat soaked and sub optimal?
This and the time of year we did the stock dyno runs I have questions on as well. This build took almost 3 1/2 months to complete so the initial runs where done when I didn’t even notice the heat soak issues as the ambient room temp from the fresh air inlets (looks like the room was in the 50s with outside air in the low 30s) as opposed to this week where the room was in the high 80s with the car hot. So maybe it could even be slightly higher, or possibly less.
However I don’t typically have issues with a customer car feeling slower than the numbers put down… it’s always the other way around.
“The numbers are low”
-does it feel faster?
“Yea”
We waited for the feed back of the customer. He was blown away by the power increase. We also dynoed another car where we were familiar with its power. No abnormalities.
The rooms “weather box” is supposed to put a calculation factor in for humidity and temperature, but it doesn’t account for latent heat that builds in the engine taking longer to dissipate into the surrounding ambient air. We have 20 min of film talking about discrepancies and dyno fluctuations and removed 10 min we originally had in the cut, but it just dragged...
We watched around other “similar popular content” and realized nobody was doing that, so we cut it, and said we would do our best to answer questions!
Looks like we may be better able to account for these differences now that we’ve done this the first time 👍
30% drivetrain loss is NUTS
Start at 2: 41 czcams.com/video/xNpRIuDZMO0/video.htmlsi=V5b6cLAjnax28bqN
i want you guys to make a AFP 12 Valve VR6 MK4 Jetta header back system now
With the type of work that you're trying to communicate audio quality should be as much of a passion of yours as these Italian beauties. 10/10 on the exhaust system.
Easy to say for shops who start with big bank rolls and bunches of buddies with exotics to buy nice equipment. We’re a little shop and buy things as we need them. Maybe one day here we’ll all be owning vehicles of the caliber of our clientele, and have the finest A/V equipment but for now we’re cranking out content and hoping you enjoy.
@@FluidMotorUnion I would imagine you could be passionate on a budget. A few hundred bucks goes a long way on marketplace. That's fair, right?
We just bought better equipment. We don’t know it’s a problem till we run into it. Often times because of budget, time is also expensive. We have a very busy shop that actually pays the bills, this channel is a passion project and an attempt for us to show the world the stuff we’ve been working on for 16 years. It’s tight enough to get customers taken care of, design and fabricate exhaust systems and builds but researching intricacies of video production is going to come after just shooting and seeing what happens!
@@FluidMotorUnion totally get it. I'm going to a very similar journey with my coffee company right now. You guys are doing absolute top-notch work though I was a mechanic for 10 years in the army and have enough fabrication experience to be able to tell what you guys are doing is G tier.
@SgtHenick it’s a grind (pun). I bet most people think cause we work on exotics that we’re rolling in it. I see some of the other influencers in that realm and I understand why. We just don’t got it like that. Here’s 🍻 to both of us making it a little bigger than where we are today and better audio equipment 🥂🎤😂
what if you put fins on the inside of the main exit pipe to further pronounce the vortex ?
Only reason I would like to move to usa... Would make headers for this thing that people would piss them selfs when hearing it.
What did you do about the thermocouplers (catalytic temperature probes)? They tend to burn up. Did you relocate them? Did you tune them out?
The egts shouldn’t change much, it was reading cat temps but now still same place. Never had an issue with them as long as they are reinstalled in the same approximate location, unless they aren’t handled with care with is the most common problem. We do A LOT of exhaust design and haven’t run into that issue.
Thanks for this response. I’m having an issue with mine and replaced one of the probes. Maybe I just need to replace all 4.
@cameronwilliamson3754 got the faults? We build good exhaust setups- but we’re even better at diag, maybe we can give you a direction or, we’ve ran into it before. Same car?
I can go pull the fault codes today. Its a 2014. That would be an amazing help. I’ve been struggling with this for 6 months.
Please make one for Huracan
@23:50 Damn shots fired at Dundon
Very interesting video! Didn’t knew that drivetrain was so inefficient, 29% loss is quite a lot.
Also, why were the graphs so “bumpy” like they were? Shouldn’t they be smooth lines?
Start at 2: 41 czcams.com/video/xNpRIuDZMO0/video.htmlsi=V5b6cLAjnax28bqN
I want to see more of the Bentley or Rolls-Royce Corniche at 8:31 on the other lift!
You got something for the maserati mc20?
god we’d love to build one! Lots of potential we think…
You need to get one of those on one of the big CZcamsrs cars, Supercar Ron, Hamilton Collection, Tripple F Collection or even Stradman. That would get it noticed. DDE did it for Gintany.
14:14 That computer control should have been obvious it was gonna be tough. The little pump isn’t gonna vacuum the entire intake to play with the exhaust
did you do the letting it cool down period when stock? if not that comparison is not valid.
72hp added
602.8hp total
I thought yhe first video sounded great, this one is even better. I would love yo hear this in real life because i think my Bose headphones can only do so much.
The funny thing is, that you still have a convoluted mess of pipes running out to the exit. I believe the exhaust could be even better with a tweak. If you reply to this message and we branch contacts, maybe i would even fund an alternative design just for the fun of it.. and i don't even own an Aventador lol.
when I first saw title I thought it was saying the car only made 90hp
And that max result is without ECU adjustment?
The power output curve seems a bit dented like it would regulate itself
so cooling the car maxes more power
Awesome -Name it - put a copyright on it - low cost - make the "big guys" pay. Ultimate is patent and that can be done on the cheap as well.
Make contact with Dave @ DDE. If your exhaust systems really perform like you say, they will kill for it
Wow
How the "car culture" have been misguided in recent years where their willing to exchange hp to the sound the exhaust lol. Id say ignore the noise of the puppys, theyll come to the fold when they grow up. Congrats !Love the sound btw
Thanks!
Where do you get the 29% drivetrain loss? In modern cars its widely accepted drivetrain loss is around 15%-20% depending on transmission and if the vehicle is AWD. Seems the Aventador is a little overrated power wise? Nice gains though with the exhaust and great design!
Damnnn
I think I counted 4, possibly 5 eyeglass swaps.