Count Dooku had Potential...
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- It has become popular to be a defender of the prequel trilogy in recent years, and as someone who grew up with this trilogy, I at times agree with the takes I see regarding the trilogy, but one character who I have always felt was a missed opportunity is Count Dooku. I think George Lucas completely fumbled this character in the prequel trilogy, and in this video, I'll be explaining how I think the character could have been used far better to have a far greater impact.
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Feels like Christopher Lee is typecast here, that is pretty much exactly the same role as Sauroman in LOTR.
Yeah I agree with you wholeheartedly, not that Christopher Lee is horribly casted in the role, but I do think he was casted due to his role as Sauroman and I think adding the “Count” to his character’s name was a direct callback to Lee having played Count Dracula in the past
@ScreenedStories Not at all, but Christopher Lee basically always excel anyway. But typecast usually means you are so good at that role, you always get it. And it does not really appeal to your acting artistic side.
I remember in Legends Materials many books, booklets, comics, graphic nevelizations, stickers, fact files, data banks, etc implied that Dooku was a very very high potentialed individual there are a few that said had Dooku stayed in the Jedi Order he would of been a Jedi on par with Yoda implying not just rank but with potent and fighting skills as well as knowledge, mastery, and more plus Yoda in many places saying how he took Dooku on as his official one on one apprentice because of Dookus strength in the force being enigmatic for even himself to figure out implying Dookus potential was either a little underneath Yodas or at the same level but not higher it was so high that Yoda went out of retirment just for Dookus mega high connection to the force he did not show that same interest in Windu, Plo Koon, Yaddle, Shaak Ti, Qui Gon etc so Dookus potential must of been a little higher then Windus if that is the case Yoda heavily implied it only Malgus Sidious, The Mereks, The Solos Of Leias Line, And The Skywalkers having the counts above the great grandmaster to differing variants yeah.
Yeah I think Dooku definitely had crazy potential, given everything you said, with him being on par with the higher tier players in the verse I actually would’ve liked if the movies honed in on this more, maybe they could’ve added a storyline where Yoda thought Dooku could have potentially been the chosen one, which is why he was so hesitant about allowing Anakin into the order, and maybe Dooku leaving the order could’ve been because he viewed himself as the chosen one and saw leaving the order as his path to bringing balance to the force
@@ScreenedStoriesAdded to that in Darth Plagueis Novels that is Legends Plagueis saw Dooku as someone that could be insurance of a apprentice should Palpy not pull through while he only saw Maul, Sifo Dyas, And Qui Gon as unfit for the apprentice role unlike Plagueis, Dooku, And Palpatine while with Anakin he was straight up too fearful to have Ani around as a servant of any kind and in Labyrinth Of Evil that is also Legends Sidious thoughts were that his previous apprentice the Savage Darth Maul Was in reality nothing more then a minion like Asajj Ventress And General Grievous while he saw in Jedi Master Dooku the makings of a true accomplice a equal from the other camp(Jedi Order) already trained in the jedi arts(force usage), a master duelist(lightsaber maatery), and a political visionary showing that even Sidious saw more potential in Dooku then he did in Maul even during TPM when Dooku was still Jedi Master plus higher powers and skills calling Jedi Master Dooku his equal from the order and Sidious thought this after he gained even more power after taking out Plagueis plus he had Dooku on mind even before Maul got beaten to work for him possibly would of pitted Dooku And Maul against another one on one to determine who would win had Maul won on Naboo and since Dooku even as a Jedi was more powerful in potential and current powers as well as a slightly superior lightsaber duelist on the same level as Yoda, Mace, Plagueis, And Sidious around TPM while Maul was Plo Koon level with a Saber but less powerful then Plo as a force user plus Mauls physical abilities and unarmed combat would be cool but in the end Dooku has dealt with faster opponents in combat like Yoda And Windu and was tied with them so yeah.
I think he's a more fulfilled character in 2024 than he was in 2005 when he died thanks to all the animated shows he's been in giving him more depth as a character (giving the man gray areas).
I agree, I think the comics and especially the clone wars made him a more dynamic and interesting character, but I do wish the movies themselves utilized him a little differently, or even just more, his screen time was super limited
@@ScreenedStories Did you see the official look for Darth Plagueis? Disney released it back in 2021.
@@suryasingh9738 Yeah I was a fan, it didn’t give us too much, but I liked his ominous sith eyes, I honestly was a big supporter of the Snoke being Plagueis theory prior to TLJ, honestly wish they ran with that idea
@@ScreenedStories Or Palpatine could've used a Plagueis clone to make Snoke. Maybe Snoke is a descendant of Plagueis or simply someone that follows the teachings of the dark side but not the Sith. Would've been nice to see a flashback of Palpatine training Maul on Korriban (the Sith planet) with Plagueis as a ghostly figure watching them knowing his apprentice would kill him so he made plans to start a secret cult BTS. Snoke could be a descendant of one of the followers.
@@ScreenedStories Btw, keep doing more characters that had potential. May I suggest General Grevious for your next one?
Interesting points and I agree I wonder if this was intentional or just to make it simpler maybe George Lucas was afraid of making Star Wars to complicated in episodes 2-3 cause of the bad reception of episode 1 and that’s why I like dooku and quigon they gave up the dogmatic view of the Jedi I want to believe that dooku never wanted to be a sith and would make his light saber white after he betrayed sidious and convince other Jedi and sith to join him after the war if it was intentional it would just show that the dark side corrupted him but I don’t believe that you can use the dark side and still be in the light just like Luke
Yeah I do think it was an intentional decision from George, and I think you make a good point in that it may very well have been a reactionary decision to the negative feedback from episode 1, but yeah the dark side corrupting him is the most common explanation I’ve seen, and I think it’s a little weak tbh, conceptually I understand that the dark side corrupts individuals over time, but Vader was a sith for longer and still was able to rebuke it in the end, so I feel like if Dooku’s goal was to be in the middle, which it seems like it was, that he’d be able to walk the balance between the two, but even if he couldn’t resist the darkness, I think exploring his struggle and failure to resist the dark side would have been interesting to see, as it just largely gets ignored
@@ScreenedStories all in all i think he was used great and a lovely character also tho im not 100% sure but can the dark side corrupt deep conviction for justice and even then seems it’s kinda weak ,palpatine was a psychopath before he even touched the dark side so yeah maybe it doesn’t corrupt maybe it just gives you more power to do the things you want or maybe this was all a facade to appear good and noble if they went with that could have been cool as well it feels theres a lot of mystery still with dooku tho
@@andresfurious8302 I agree, I do think he’s a good character, especially when including the comic and TV show materials, but you’re right about still having a bit of mystery with his character, which honestly is probably intentional, but I do think there’s some interesting things that could be explored pertaining to his mindset and why he became a Sith ultimately
Darth maul was also and more pointless (if you just go off the movie's) he looked freaking awesome. Dooku stood out more to me as a kid.
Oh I agree 100%, killing Maul off after just one movie was a huge mistake in my mind, he looks so intimidating, and the clone wars did prove that he could be at the heart of some really great storylines
Balance in the force doesn’t mean equal light & dark at all, no, the gray Jedi are not a thing. The force is not yin yang, the light is just the force and the dark is corrosive and all consuming. Balance is removing that corruption
In current Disney canon no gray Jedi exist, but they were a thing in legends. I disagree with your assessment because it is impossible to truly eliminate all of the darkness within oneself, rather, accepting it and learning to keep it under control is what true balance is in my eyes, hence my stance on mastering both being actual balance. But, even if true balance is using the light to eradicate all darkness, I still think having Dooku trying to use both sides and forge his own path in the middle would’ve been a far more interesting direction, and is an understandable conclusion I could see someone coming to
@@ScreenedStoriesThere were no gray jedi in the EU, too, and no balancing the light and dark isn't possible it's like mixing water and oil.
@@clonecommanderrex8542 I’d argue Cade Skywalker, Asajj Ventress, and Quinlan Vos were all arguable gray Jedi, but whether or not they were officially titled it doesn’t really matter to my point, the idea of falling somewhere between the Sith and the Jedi is certainly a thing whether you give yourself the title of gray Jedi or not. To say you’re either 100% dark side or 100% light side is just something I don’t see at all to be honest with you, the Jedi didn’t want to train Anakin initially because they saw darkness within him, and Luke didn’t want to give up on his father because he saw light still within him, I don’t think Anakin/Vader was ever 100% on either side which of course means he fell somewhere in between. But, even if you think I’m wrong, which is fine, people will interpret things differently, that’s natural, I still think the story of Dooku foolishly trying to have the best of both worlds in training in the light and dark side, would have been a far more interesting story than what we got, it then becomes a tragic tale of a man who wanted to pave his own way, but was ultimately corrupted by the dark side and lost his life’s purpose, but as is he’s just a pretty cut and dry sith apprentice, and I wish we explored his psyche a bit further
@@ScreenedStories None of them were grey jedi unless you mean the offical definition of a grey jedi: A Maverick jedi or a lightside user who isn't a jedi. Balancing both sides is the fan Definition
I had this weird Mandela effect where I thought Count Dooku died in Attack of the Clones, until I found out he died in Revenge of the Sith. It just shows how pointless he was in that movie.
Anywho, I think Dooku was an interesting character that could’ve been used better in the Prequel Trilogy and both of the Clone Wars cartoons as a Star Wars villain who didn’t necessarily agree with the Sith’s motives, but also disagree with the Jedi’s morals. Maybe if he was an Anti Villain from the start rather than slowly becoming one via books & the new cartoons, this could’ve given Dooku more memorability in the Prequel Trilogy, and he could’ve taught Obi Wan (Who I argue is more of the main character than Anakin, but that’s a different story) that not all Siths are bad. But no, Prequel Trilogy villains can’t be interesting in the Movies, so what am I going to do.
Yeah I do agree, I think if the prequels focused more on the Obi-Wan and Dooku connection, it could have been something great, given that Dooku was Qui-Gon’s master and it was already established that Qui-Gon was often at odds with the council, having Dooku as a middle ground between the dark and the light, could’ve served as actual temptation for Obi-Wan to join him, because the allure is certainly understandable… but instead it ends up being a throw away scene where Obi-Wan rejects him quickly and emphatically, which I think was just a big mistake, because presenting us with an anti-villain/anti-hero who is trying to tell us that both the heroes and villains are wrong, would have been fascinating to me, and all the pieces were in place to go in this direction
I don’t know who any of these people are
Dude with gray hair is Saruman, and the little green guy is Gollum