US Army Veteran Reacts "Americans Stole German Submarine | Grand Theft Uboat | The Fat Electrician"

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Komentáře • 119

  • @Whiskey_Assassin
    @Whiskey_Assassin Před 2 měsíci +147

    Best part is that a few years ago MSI was refurbishing U-505 after years of elemental damage (she had been kept outside but now has an indoor enclosure. MSI reached out to find parts and the company that built her in Germany actually donated parts and mechanics to repair her. They wanted the last remaining example of their cutting edge engineering (at the time) to be in pristine condition for anyone to see.

    • @rarinrecruit3150
      @rarinrecruit3150 Před 2 měsíci +21

      Straight up the dude was like “Yeah, they stole it. It just goes to show how god damn amazing our shit was, so look at it in its full beauty, thanks to German engineering”

    • @jeffgossard1451
      @jeffgossard1451 Před 2 měsíci +9

      It's been inside for years,I toured it on the outside in the 70s, been inside since the. 90s at least?

    • @Whiskey_Assassin
      @Whiskey_Assassin Před 2 měsíci +10

      @jeffgossard1451 you're right. God it doesn't feel like it was that long ago.

    • @brianbaker5671
      @brianbaker5671 Před 15 dny +2

      My hometown is DeKalb IL
      I remember it was on blocks outside and steel stairs and let you go thru .

  • @jakeseward9035
    @jakeseward9035 Před 2 měsíci +67

    Since it was abandoned by the previous owner this wasn't stealing. It was just an intense salvage operation!

  • @JackulaHD
    @JackulaHD Před 2 měsíci +76

    He may have dismissed the photographer as a joke but he is probably the most important man on that submarine. If it does sink he has a limited time to photograph as many documents, technology and other secret things as he could before the sub went underwater. On board there would be significant engineering and communications type equipment, lots of document intel, up to date codebooks and much more. All of which would be extremely useful to the war effort. So much so that these documents are printed on water soluble paper to stop them being recovered from a sunk vessel.

  • @IvIidnight
    @IvIidnight Před 2 měsíci +14

    The American Crew was never actually in danger of sinking. Their ginormous testies would have displaced enough water to keep them afloat.

  • @adventussaxonum448
    @adventussaxonum448 Před 2 měsíci +25

    "We sank all of them"
    The Royal Navy and Royal Canadian Navy are SO grateful.😂

    • @brianbaker5671
      @brianbaker5671 Před 15 dny +1

      He’s covered this we means we all the allies lol 😂

  • @andrewwirch7227
    @andrewwirch7227 Před 2 měsíci +19

    It is incidents like this that deservedly gave the name "The Greatest Generation" to this generation. "We do the difficult immediately, the impossible takes a little longer." There are so many stories like this, probably even crazier than this, that are left undocumented and forgotten to history. Insurmountable obstacles were just annoying speed bumps to people that had just survived the Great Depression.

    • @bookman7409
      @bookman7409 Před 2 měsíci +5

      "We are the unwilling, tasked with doing the unnecessary for the ungrateful. We have done so much for so long with so little that we are now qualified to do the impossible with nothing, and have it done yesterday." Dunno if any other vets heard that one, but there was a great "organization chart" floating around in the '80s, as well.

  • @BrotherPraetus
    @BrotherPraetus Před 2 měsíci +6

    "Camera guy" is usually code for "intelligence operative"
    People forget that the U.S. Navy's boot camp is just north of Chicago because, you know, the Great Lakes connect to the ocean, and are only classified as "lakes" because they are fresh water bodies.

  • @SBQDawn
    @SBQDawn Před 2 měsíci +40

    Yes getting that machine was the HUGE win which is why that German Commander broke down. it wasn't being captured it was knowing what we got from his ship.

    • @ianmclean6399
      @ianmclean6399 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Nah British had enigma machines 3 years before this after boarding multiple uboats

    • @voraciousblackstn
      @voraciousblackstn Před 2 měsíci +4

      True, but neither the Americans nor the Germans knew that at the time.

    • @adventussaxonum448
      @adventussaxonum448 Před 2 měsíci +3

      ​@@voraciousblackstn
      The Americans knew about the intelligence the British were providing them, courtesy of the RN boarding U-boats, and Bletchley Park developing computer technology.

    • @johnathon007
      @johnathon007 Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@ianmclean6399 The machine had been taken before but the complete code books were very much a new and needed piece.

  • @bookman7409
    @bookman7409 Před 2 měsíci +3

    The submarine was NOT dead, it was just resting after a long shag while it pined for the fjords!

  • @roachpole1
    @roachpole1 Před 2 měsíci +16

    This bloke can talk his way out of trouble

  • @KaoretheHalfDemon
    @KaoretheHalfDemon Před 2 měsíci +16

    Oh also Lt David, the guy who led the boarding part was awarded the Medal of Honor for his part in this.

  • @InstrucTube
    @InstrucTube Před 2 měsíci +12

    Yeah, not only do we have the biggest functioning navy in the world, we also have an option to refit the second largest navy in the world if we absolutely needed to, since it's also ours. We've retired more ships than most countries have ever had.

    • @DarkKatzy013
      @DarkKatzy013 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Hell our fleet of museum ships is larger than most countries functioning Navies.

    • @frednone
      @frednone Před 2 měsíci +1

      And don't forget that we have a heck of a lot of tonnage in mothballs.

  • @donaldstewart8342
    @donaldstewart8342 Před 2 měsíci +11

    They didn't tow it cross country,the towed is through the St Lawrence Seaway and through the Great Lakes to Chicago.I have taken the tour of the sub,it is really cramped!

    • @rarinrecruit3150
      @rarinrecruit3150 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Maybe to us today, yes. Because I think the average size/height of people increased after that time because of better access to food and more healthier stuff. (Healthier being subjective but that’s a different topic). To WW2 people that space might’ve been just perfect

  • @coleyffc
    @coleyffc Před 2 měsíci +16

    This sounds like something the SAS would've done, and praise doesn't get much higher then that.

    • @ImezRuez
      @ImezRuez Před 2 měsíci +4

      and WE did it with random dudes

  • @reba1030
    @reba1030 Před 2 měsíci +28

    If you haven’t watched The Biggest Logistical Flex:Berlin Airlift by The Fat Electrician, you are seriously missing out. It’s truly one of the best.

    • @davidmarquardt9034
      @davidmarquardt9034 Před 2 měsíci +3

      Yes the Allies had captured an Enigma before and some code books from a German weather ship in the North Atlantic. When the war started, the enigma had 3 encoding rotors. But later on in the war (probably 1943) the Navy decided to add a 4th rotor to it's machines, adding millions of new combinations. Thus they had captured one of the newly issued 4 rotor machines.

  • @scottgorski7931
    @scottgorski7931 Před měsícem +3

    Guys, I'm 67 and during the mid to late 1960's we went to the museum of science and industry as a family. At the time there were actual WWII fighters hanging from the ceiling and we did the tour of this sub when it was still outside along one of the exterior walls. You walked through a hallway to enter at one end and then through another to exit. I've also done the tour of the Cobi I believe it's called, in Manitowoc Wi. A U.S. WWII sub that's being restored. It's simply amazing how small these things are when you get aboard and try moving around.

  • @FrogmanAnime
    @FrogmanAnime Před 2 měsíci +11

    The British captured a German U-boat in 1942 and from that,they got the enigma device and code books that they later used to crack the submarine U-boat codes. And from that point on, they were reading their mail.
    From this boat, they got a up-to-date, modern enigma code, machine, and code books that were later passed on to the British to assist with the continual breaking of the U-boat codes

    • @drumiddleton3226
      @drumiddleton3226 Před 2 měsíci

      May 9, 1941

    • @FrogmanAnime
      @FrogmanAnime Před 2 měsíci

      @@drumiddleton3226 ok knew it was early in the battle of the Atlantic…just was not sure when. 1942 was just a convenient year I put for reference. Thank you for clarifying this

  • @_A_Daytona_
    @_A_Daytona_ Před 2 měsíci +3

    Chicago native here, most definitely worth the visit. I’ve been in it and around it multiple times at the museum of science and industry downtown.

  • @raymurray3401
    @raymurray3401 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Interesting fact: the reason they had brought a photographer with them on the boarding mission was so that should it prove to be impossible to keep the sub from sinking they could still recover vital information via photographs (which due to the skill needed to get clear images in that kind of situation meant they needed a skilled photographer).

  • @dementedshadow23
    @dementedshadow23 Před 14 dny +1

    The fact that the officer closed the hatch without thinking twice speaks volumes to the amount of trust he has in his men.

  • @phildicks4721
    @phildicks4721 Před 2 měsíci +7

    Fun fact...Captian Dan Gallery had three brothers who also servedin the navy during WWII. One brother served in Destroyers, one was an Aviator, and one was a Catholic Priest who served as a Navy Chaplain. After the War Dan and two of his brothers stayed in the Navy and all rose to the rank of Admiral. The guided missile frigate USS Gallery was named after the three brothers.
    After the war, Admiral Gallery also became a prolific writer, mostly of humorous Navy Fiction.

  • @xheralt
    @xheralt Před 2 měsíci +5

    The sequence was so fucking perfect. The ONLY reason they got power to run the bilge pumps was U505 being taken under tow, and the people inside felt it. The ONLY reason they took it under tow was because the hatch had been shut. Getting the pumps running got the hatch back above sea level. Hatch above sea level allowed the second team to get in. That plus shanghai'd Polish sailor? Perfection. Absolutely everything fell into place.

  • @javadan
    @javadan Před 2 měsíci +6

    I grew up in the Chicago area, and I've been through that sub. I was a kid then, and I can still remember how cramped and uncomfortable it was in that thing. My parents probably read the story at the museum, but as I was a kid I couldn't have cared less. Now that I'm older I appreciate the story. That guy was funny as hell.

  • @arclight5455
    @arclight5455 Před 24 dny +1

    Sam, you said it best.... The Navy is Built Different.

  • @Streamfyre
    @Streamfyre Před měsícem +1

    I cannot recommend "The unluckiest ship with the most untouchable in WW2" any more than I am.

  • @TheZoenGaming
    @TheZoenGaming Před 22 dny +1

    Don't seek revenge, seek prevenge to save time!

  • @TheRagratus
    @TheRagratus Před 2 měsíci +1

    Just last summer I visited the LST-325, (Landing Ship Tank) which is "stationed" in Evansville In, but travels around the midwest as it is still operational. It was in LaCrosse WI on it's summer tour. In the U.S. there are 164 ships, which are members of the Historic Naval Ships Association, that the public can visit. They range from massive aircraft carriers, to intimidating battleships of World War II, to small patrol boats and experimental submarines.

  • @thatpatrickguy3446
    @thatpatrickguy3446 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Great reaction guys!
    Some more Fat Electrician to check out? Um, ALL OF IT! 😀Seriously, I've watched his whole YT library and both short and long they're all good. He did a video that was basically a rant about how his wife bought single ply (i.e. military grade) toilet paper and it was both hilarious and actually a great learning video. Nic's a fricking national treasure and all his stuff is absolutely great and has taught me, an old dude who loves learning odd things about history, a bunch of stories I'd never heard of before.

  • @ExUSSailor
    @ExUSSailor Před 2 měsíci +1

    Taking enemy ships as prizes is a long standing tradition in naval warfare. We didn't "steal" shit. It was captured as a prize in combat.

  • @tboltaq2
    @tboltaq2 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Major combatant ships of the "US Museum Fleet"... 5 aircraft carriers, 8 battleships, 8 destroyers, 2 destroyer escorts, 1 heavy cruiser, 1 light cruiser, 1 protected cruiser, 25 fleet / attack subs, 13 patrol boat/corvettes, 4 LST amphibious assault ships, 5 military sealift/cargo ships.... Serious whoopass by any measure if missiles weren't the thing. The subs alone would be devistating, let alone the carriers which, if carrying modern planes would have a make any sane person say "Yikes!!!!!!!"

  • @Valkyrie0933
    @Valkyrie0933 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Strategically Transferred Equipment to an Alternate Location (S.T.E.A.L.) - A very common tactic amongst US military branches, namely within their own organization, but can extend to other branches within the US military as well as enemy military forces during a time of conflict or war.

  • @MikeF_44
    @MikeF_44 Před 2 měsíci +6

    He has another CZcams channel called the fat files

  • @mamfzf
    @mamfzf Před 2 měsíci +3

    This is my list from a few videos ago, they're ranked by hilarity to coolness
    -Winter Solder OD's on METH, Becomes Unkillable
    -Marines Outsmart DARPA's Advanced AI
    - USS Barb - The Submarine That Sank A Train + The Ship That Wouldn't Sink, USS Nevada (BB-36) + The Fat Electrician Reviews: Iowa Class Battleships ( USS Wisconsin ) + The flying Ginsu - Missile full of Swords [These 4 are short videos and go well together]
    -America Blew Up A Whale With 1000lbs. of TNT (Also shorter video)
    -WW2 Veteran vs. HOA - Van T. Barfoot
    - Wrecking & Trolling The Germans With A Wooden Plane - DH-98 Mosquito
    -The Real Tank Genius Of WW2 - Percy "Hobo" Hobart
    -RAF's Legless Antihero - Sir Douglas Bader
    - America Dismantles Pirate Nations For Touching Their Boats - The Barbary Wars
    -The Limping Lady - Deadliest Spy Of WW2 - Virginia Hall
    -The Last War Chief - Joe Medicine Crow
    -The Infamous Eager Beavers & Their Custom B17 Bomber - Old 666

    • @tahliasgoddaddy
      @tahliasgoddaddy Před 2 měsíci

      So, you haven't seen the one about the USS No Go the concrete battleship? It's one of the better ones too. Love listening to Fat Electrician's stuff.

  • @Roboto2073
    @Roboto2073 Před 2 měsíci +2

    I'm going to give a like before I even watch you reaction. I've been in the sub when I was a kid and thought "this is neat", I've been there a few times more as an adult and thought "this is f-ing cool" once I understood the history behind it.

  • @dimitrijensk2845
    @dimitrijensk2845 Před 2 měsíci +1

    4:25 on a serious note, the camera guy was there for intel gathering

  • @RB-tb2kt
    @RB-tb2kt Před 2 měsíci +3

    Thank you for the reactions to TFE ! You guys are great.

  • @jeffgossard1451
    @jeffgossard1451 Před 2 měsíci

    Fun fact the u505 wasn't the 1st uboat in Chicago, there was one from ww1 that was scuttled in Lake Michigan after WW1

  • @michaelschemlab
    @michaelschemlab Před 2 měsíci +1

    If you think the part about the second largest navy in the world being the US fleet of museum ships is crazy, the second largest air fleet in the world after the U.S. Air Force is the US Naval Air Force

  • @niftynetty0129
    @niftynetty0129 Před 2 měsíci +8

    They didn't steal it they "acquired" it lol

    • @gacrux-ni7hw
      @gacrux-ni7hw Před 2 měsíci +5

      "The previous owner died... Suddenly" oh wait, that's a different video

    • @niftynetty0129
      @niftynetty0129 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@gacrux-ni7hw "get off my lawn" lol

    • @raymurray3401
      @raymurray3401 Před 2 měsíci +1

      I mean technically speaking the Germans willingly abandoned it so I’d argue it was therefore free to take,sorta like when someone leaves a sofa outside on the curb for the dump lol.

    • @Whiskey_Assassin
      @Whiskey_Assassin Před 2 měsíci +2

      Strategically Transfered Equipment To Alternate Location

  • @jakeseward9035
    @jakeseward9035 Před 2 měsíci

    You guys should check out the submarine that sunk a train as well as Ramage's Rampage which is about the first submarine commander who won the medal of honor and lived.

  • @user-rm4ez8pb6x
    @user-rm4ez8pb6x Před hodinou

    Bro, I had A LOT of damage control training in the Navy. Leave the two officers and cameraman and give me three more engineers.

  • @ghomerhust
    @ghomerhust Před 20 dny +2

    i have a STEAL t shirt from quackbang, and it's epic! i get a ton of vets commenting on it. Strategically Transferring Equipment to an Alternate Location. fantastic. i have the shirt in green with the orange/gold print, looks fantastic. its comfy, and the print has held up under a ton of washes, so it's a properly good shirt. his merch is good stuff. imma order more when i can afford it! (disabled vet, gotta save up for the fun stuff cuz the fed doesnt care about us. tax CUTS hurt vets.)

  • @user-nr5ux7gr2g
    @user-nr5ux7gr2g Před 2 měsíci +1

    German POWs in the United States had a good life considering they were prisoners they were fed ,housed provided healthcare and exercise and entertainment and were able to make money working outside of camp

  • @jasonmarkwell8593
    @jasonmarkwell8593 Před 2 měsíci

    Damn the one time I visited Chicago by myself as a teenager and I had no clue it was there. Must go back if Chicago survives it's current issues.

  • @davidcorbett341
    @davidcorbett341 Před 2 měsíci +20

    America stole shed loads of Titanium from Russia in the 1960s and built the SR71 Blackbird with the Titanium

    • @2were5678
      @2were5678 Před 2 měsíci +5

      They sold it to us through a cia shell company.

    • @davidcorbett341
      @davidcorbett341 Před 2 měsíci

      @@2were5678 Russia were Not aware that they were sending it back to America to build the fastest and highest altitude aircraft to spy on them

  • @captin3149
    @captin3149 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Bearing in mind, the Germans not saving the boat when the Americans could...The Germans were under attack, the Americans weren't. Not saying it was any less impressive, but that, to me, is a difference worth mentioning.

  • @appo9357
    @appo9357 Před 2 měsíci

    They should’ve changed the name to Rocinante, because that was legitimate salvage. 👍🏼

  • @OriginalLictre
    @OriginalLictre Před 2 měsíci

    The crew of the U-505 made the decision to abandon and scuttle because they knew they couldn't escape the pursuit of the ships that were currently blowing them to chunks, or repair the damage faster than it was being dealt. Sustaining their operations was impossible, so they set the charges and abandoned the boat. That's when the boarding parties arrive. With the battle over, all that effort to save the sub could be focused on by the US sailors. Those escorts were now in a position to defend that prize.

  • @danacarter4793
    @danacarter4793 Před 2 měsíci

    The slap heard around the world 😂😂😂

  • @frednone
    @frednone Před 2 měsíci

    There are several other U-boats still out there as museum ships in other countries.

  • @ImezRuez
    @ImezRuez Před 2 měsíci

    I'm about 90% sure this event was the inspiration for Hunt for Red October.
    7:42-8:50 well the Germans deciding they are going to DIE if they try to escape while actively under attack is a VERY different evolution from us deciding we can fix it while NOT under fire even though the Germans tried to turn up the difficulty with scuttling charges

  • @Seadansr1
    @Seadansr1 Před 2 měsíci

    fat electrician has a few more videos out now. time to react

  • @christopheryoder8292
    @christopheryoder8292 Před 2 měsíci

    Y'all should do the unluckiest ship in the USN.

  • @2strokinit527
    @2strokinit527 Před měsícem

    DON"T TOUCH THE BOATS!!!

  • @jonuschurchill7130
    @jonuschurchill7130 Před 2 měsíci

    NO! That's like running into a house on fire... Putting it out.... And than strategically transfer everything (to a) alternate location.

  • @sizemorej
    @sizemorej Před 2 měsíci +1

    Guys look up reserve fleet or the mothball fleet.

  • @sizemorej
    @sizemorej Před 2 měsíci

    Figure all 4 of the Iowas. USS Texas. I can think of several Carriers. WW2 cruisers. DDs and Subs

  • @stephanieraebel8160
    @stephanieraebel8160 Před měsícem +1

    Back in the time of the civil war, the Blues stole a sub from the Grays if that makes a difference. Those ships were the very first submarines!!! This is not the first time a sub has been stolen by Americans😂😂😂 the year was 1815 according to the Fat Electrician..,and I believe him....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @ThatGirlLib
    @ThatGirlLib Před 2 měsíci

    New to this channel and this is my first video I’m watching. Did anyone notice the guy on the right ask a question @ 14:15 that was already answered @ 3:46? 🤔 Did I hear that wrong? I’m confused. Is this something he said for engagement or was he not paying attention to the beginning of the video? 👀

  • @djj9675
    @djj9675 Před 2 měsíci

    You should do Brandon Herrera’s video on when the govt dropped nukes on NC, it has a cameo from thefatelectrician

  • @budgreen4x4
    @budgreen4x4 Před 2 měsíci

    We secretly built a ship to go lift one off the ocean floor, wasn't fully successful but.....

  • @Pi_r8
    @Pi_r8 Před 2 měsíci

    The cameraman never dies.

  • @gkiferonhs
    @gkiferonhs Před 2 měsíci

    The world's largest air force is the USAF, the second largest air force is the US Navy.

  • @Reshtarc
    @Reshtarc Před 2 měsíci

    America ......FUCK YEAH!!!!!!

  • @adventussaxonum448
    @adventussaxonum448 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Rather disrespectful to not mention Johnny Walker RN, when claiming credit for Hunter Killer tactics, seeing as he put them into operation long before this, with great success.

  • @jonathanmakuberski8048
    @jonathanmakuberski8048 Před měsícem

    Ive seen that U-boat.

  • @lauren3224
    @lauren3224 Před 14 dny

    24:31 All after they set it on fire themselves.

  • @iamaloafofbread8926
    @iamaloafofbread8926 Před 2 měsíci

    Guys... the cheese... it's key to everything. O.O

  • @adventussaxonum448
    @adventussaxonum448 Před 2 měsíci

    Nearest American port is British (Bermuda)?

  • @charlesmaurer6214
    @charlesmaurer6214 Před 2 měsíci

    Fair salvage after the crew abandoned.

  • @jasonregister3494
    @jasonregister3494 Před 2 měsíci

    Come on guys. Why haven't you done his video on the Barbary war?

  • @rickybuhl3176
    @rickybuhl3176 Před 2 měsíci

    'Critically wounded' not 'Terminally wounded' lol worth a punt..

  • @stephenfludd6296
    @stephenfludd6296 Před 2 měsíci

    If you haven't. Check out his story about old 666. Y'all will like it.

  • @Ayselx
    @Ayselx Před 2 měsíci

    You guys should watch his cheese video 😂

  • @KaoretheHalfDemon
    @KaoretheHalfDemon Před 2 měsíci +6

    Unfortunately the Enigma machine wasn’t all that special at this point as it had already been cracked and a few machines had already been secretly acquired. Gallery almost got into a lot of trouble for it. The submarine itself on the other hand was useful for reverse engineering purposes. Also when the Sub was put in the museum German companies that had manufactured parts of the sub made new one so that the Sub could be in perfect condition.

    • @chrismaverick9828
      @chrismaverick9828 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Yes, through the years of sitting outside it had been stripped of a lot of its instruments. Some letters were sent around and the original makers of those parts were happy to make new ones from the plans they still had since it really was a work they were proud of contributing to back in the day. Politics aside, the U-Boats really were quite impressive for their time.

    • @DarkKatzy013
      @DarkKatzy013 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Yeah gonna have to disagree with you on that. IT WAS A CURRENT UP TO DATE ENIGMA MACHINE. My dude you know how many millions of combos that thing has? To have a current active up to date machine is literally invaluable. That was the whole point of getting the sub..

    • @chrismaverick9828
      @chrismaverick9828 Před 2 měsíci

      @@DarkKatzy013And by that time in the war the Brits were cracking the changes to the codes and reading the messages in almost real time.

    • @KaoretheHalfDemon
      @KaoretheHalfDemon Před 2 měsíci

      I will not deny that. They were amazing vehicles.@@chrismaverick9828

  • @donaldjz
    @donaldjz Před 2 měsíci

    There is a book about the real happening, it tells the whole story not what this TS is taking about

  • @johnlawrence7386
    @johnlawrence7386 Před 2 měsíci

    And not let us forget all the times America has stolen battle honours from other countries, you're quite good at that.

    • @DarkKatzy013
      @DarkKatzy013 Před 2 měsíci

      Boo hoo ??? Do better ? Don't suck ? That is not at all any of our fault . Don't be mad at us for doing what you people FAIL TO DO.

    • @johnlawrence7386
      @johnlawrence7386 Před 2 měsíci +2

      @@DarkKatzy013 We did do it, you made a film years later and stole the glory, funny how the Americans were winning battles when they were not even in the war at the time.

  • @phildicks4721
    @phildicks4721 Před 2 měsíci +3

    The crew of U 505 also had another reason for not wanting to try to save the ship. It had a reputation for being cursed. It had been heavily damaged, and also faced many mechanical problems. On her 10th patrol the CO shot himself(committed suicide)on board.