US Army Veteran Reacts "450 Marines vs Imperial Japanese Navy - Wake Island | The Fat Electrician"
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The government forgot one thing when it came to the wake island Marines. Marines are not allowed to die without permission, and they weren't given permission at that time.
Please check out "Angry Old Veteran vs. 700 Redcoats", "America Dismantles Pirate Nations For Messing With It's Boats", and "The Berlin Wall..." All of these are outstanding parts of history not taught in schools today.
So much of our history is being lost! 😢 Thanks Regan!
He has so many better videos it’s kinda sad you think that’s the one you should recommended. Your a strait up disappointment and I don’t say that lightly.
the first and last ones are actively taught in school
In a HS AP class?@@thikifo395
What school did you go to?
i love how he said "he caught a stray" about the commander wanting to surrender.
when I was in it was "Sniper Check, SIR!!!"
1) Winter Solder OD's on METH, Becomes Unkillable
2) America Stole A German Submarine and Stuck it in Chicago (aka: Grand theft U-Boat)
Both are funny
Ok- I was already addicted to fat electrician’s channel but now I can’t stop watching you two and your reactions to his videos! Pure gold!
As a Brit who grew up watching Sunday afternoon movies, I can't believe that there are Americans who never watched the 1942 movie "Wake Island". Next you will tell me you never watched the 1944 John Wayne movie "The Fighting Seebees". 🤣
I'm 63 and I was born on a US Navy base my dad was a Seabee CPO served 20 years I lived on bases in Okinawa, Hawaii, California, Adak island in Alaska and Texas by the age of 18 , growing up I heard stories from sailors and Marines who fought in the Pacific theater and I've heard stories that make you laugh and some that freak you out, I've explored some of the caves in Okinawa in 68-69 and finding war relics in the sugarcane fields I've explored Adak island combed the beech and found Japanese war relics ( I wasn't able to keep anything I found) great memories and yes I'm quite knowledgeable about war in the Pacific theater
Oh, that's a great movie. Loved watching John Wane movies with my dad when I was growing up.
Seabees are a unique group of MotherFuckers. And I mean that with the utmost respect possible
"Beware of the Serpents." "serpents?" "Yes, but around here, they have wings and call themselves 'Mosquitoes.""
The Eager Beavers OLD 666 is a really good one.
yes, we in all of the different green uniforms agree that the marines are really OUT THERE. fantastic bunch of lads! we love em!
Battleships are expensive, and at the time of the movie we had just lost 7 of them, completly or to BAD damage. [ West Virginia, 7 torpedo hits, port side ripped open, engines flooded and rusting..] War bonds did a lot to getting her back afloat in time for the battle of Surago Strait, at Leyte, October 25, 1944.
One of the beauties of growing up during the 1940s & 50s is that we were surrounded by two generations of genuine heroes. Stories and happenings such as this were common knowledge to us. Films, books, magazines etc., were more interested in passing the stories on of these incidents and men than they were in CGI. Considering the number of war memorials in the UK and the fact of Remembrance Day every year, the lack of knowledge of the meat and bones of these actions is tragic.
Wake Island, Midway, Lehte Gulf. A lot of WWII battles that happened in the Pacific theatre are never taught.
My great grandfather had a Japanese rifle and the lucky flag he took from a soldier he killed in WW2, he was a Marine Raider
You all need to co-host with the Fat Electrician..... his new pods, with your reaction, on the same day.. cause your all so good..
"What about the machine guns?"
Marine: "We don't need no damn machine guns."
HAHAHAHAHA
Me: (MOS 0331 (M60E3 Machine gunner)) "Yeah, let's make it a fair fight."
When I saw this video by the Fat Electrician, it reminded me of my days in boot camp at San Diego MCRD. (Marine Corps Recruit Depot) They taught us Marine Corps history, Now seeing it being disseminated to the world and American Citizens, to show just what all happened during the WW2. TFE is an amazing dude and his being an Army veteran I have the utmost respect due to the fact he was a Doc. Thank you for reacting to this and I am standing a little taller today seeing you react to this video. I do not know which of you gents are a veteran, I want to personally Thank you for Your Service to our country. It was an honor and a high privilege for me to have served.
And thank you! Semper Fi !!!!!!
The Landings also occured in the dark of the morning, about 0330.
you need to find out about the cashus clay - fat electrician (truly bad ass)
Already did that one
Yep, I saw you guys reaction and I 😂 so hard I fell out of my chair! 🤣
Dude, in the USMC you hear about all this.
I learned about Wake Island in high school, back in the 80s. LOL maybe I just remember more. After all I remember Shakespeare passages I had to memorize back then too.
After watching that video, i cant stop thinking of that marine that met Mao. I like to picture him after the war, in his home watching some tv until he runs to a news broadcast were the end of the chinese civil war is announced, and the camera turns to show the leader of the victorious communist side. That marine probably would be like "Strange but that face seems familiar... wait a second, HOLY SHIT!!!
Anyways, keep going with fat electrician reactions. his content is great
Never heard? Christopher Walker even schools young Butch about this incident when he passes on the wrist watch to him.
That watch was there at Wake Island! Haha😅
Japanese ambassadors and a naval attache [ spy] had passed through the Clipper station about 2 weeks before, En Route to Washington D.C. for "Peace Talks". Apparently they reported No artillery on the island, just the Pan Am airfield. the Marines and their guns arrived by ship 2 days after they had departed...If you get a chance to read Col. Deveraux's book, I DO recommend it.
Definitely need to watch "America Stole A German Submarine And Stuck It In Chicago" by The Fat Electrician.
I like these reactions to the Fat Electrician videos. It would be nice if you guys reacted to World War Tree, The Eager Beavers 666, and The Limping Lady
WW2 was the last war where all social classes came together and fought side by side. It didn't matter if you where the son of someone rich or poor you signed up or got a job in the defense industry building the things to fight the war. That's one of the things that made that generation great.
Great interactions guys! Love watching yall react to the TFE’s stuff. Keep up the great work gents
The worst thing in life to underestimate is the fighting skills and abilities of a United States Marine
Thank you guys for your videos! I have watched all of the Fat Electricians videos and I am enjoying rewatching them with you guys!
I now realise that my youth may have been mispent. I read about the defence of Wake Island as a teenager. I remember that an unknown Marine after the island was invaded was on his radio to no one: "There are definitely Japanese in the bushes," until he got got. Yeah, it should have been much cleaner but the Japanese military culture was one where you did not admit error or accept any other outcome than glorious victory. I generally don't like Merkins, but I grant exceptions for members of the armed forces, (and others who demonstrate themselves to be human beings.)
Marines in the pacific in WW2 and at Belleau Wood made me sign up in the Marine Corps.
The guy who made the decision to abandon Wake was Admiral William S. Pye and it almost resulted in a mutiny of both Sailors and Marines. Pye never saw another operational command and neither the Marine Corps or President Roosevelt ever forgave him.
But, even as a Marine, I understand his call. I really don't like it but I understand it. The vast majority of our Pacific fleet was gone. Any force we sent would have been outnumbered and outgunned, likely resulting in even more ship losses that we really couldn't afford if we wanted any ability to project power in that theater. We're literally talking about the possibility of having no fleet left in the Pacific, leaving mainland America wide open to attack.
Thanks for the context.
The word you were looking for is “morale.” 😊
NEVER SURRENDER, NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!!
There are just too many great stories such as this that, unfortunately, you just can't cover in school. Glad there are channels like The Fat Electrician to share them for all of us to see
Watch America's Freedom Fighter - Lewis Millet.
Come back Monday 🍻
If you actually do this specific video on Monday I’m definitely subscribing. I like people that read their comments and actually take action to make their viewers happy. Once you get too big it’ll be hard but you can still choose based on comments.
@@EmbraceTheSuck21 🍻
It all came to a head at Midway and suggest if you want to review a seriously excellent series, based on both sides of the aisle, it is told by Montemayor. The BEST review of Midway on CZcams.
I can't say enough about his approach in two series from both the US side, and the Japanese side, because it makes such a difference.
I hope you consider the series at some point.
Love the video yall!
To be fair, they mostly survived. Despite commander Devroes failure, and surrender, he still got most of his men home, having survived the entire conflict. Not many pacific marine commanders can say the same. Him and his men put up the good fight for sure. 900+ Japanese naval forces, 21 planes, 2 ships and a sub destroyed by them.
Not setting off a firecracker in someone's closed hand, it is setting off a firecracker next to a bottle of nitroglycerin you are storing in a truck full of gunpowder.
Look American soldiers have never lost a war the politicians have lost the wars. If the politicians would stay out of it we'd be unbeatable. Men thank you for your service !!!
Wake, wilkes and Peale islets comprise "Wake" island. No point of the Island was much more that a few feet above sea level...
Check out Chichijima, where American pilots were captured, torchered, beheaded and four were Eaten by their Japanese guards.
Oops, He caught a stray , ok i need that shirt 🎽 😂😂
@ 25:43 the word your looking for is...Morale.
the American people needed a morale boost at this time. As FTE said earlier, "Imagine what we can do when we start trying "
Wake Island let the common American know, the war was winnable. The Japanese weren't some unbeatable enemy.
As history has proven, any ' war effort ' starts at home, with the will of the people to continue to endure hardships for the effort of the country to continue to wage war.
(this is WWII, and one of the only times we as a country went into a ' war economy ' so the common man / woman had rationing of items that was needed by war manufacturing)
damn wake islande is a pretty known battle
These videos make me want to get a teaching degree and specialize in military history. So mich is missed in school.
Wake Island is considered the Alamo of the Pacific
So yes the depth charges detonating would be bad for a ship, but the real problem comes from the Japanese torpedoes, considered to be the deadliest torpedoes of ww2. Because japan used compressed oxygen for its propulsion system, which oxygen+flame/explosions do not mix well. Later in the war, some japanese commanders would actually begin launching their torpedoes at nothing if they were about to be attacked by american planes due to the fact that a single bomb hitting those torpedoes would devastate the ship. And when I say deadly, I mean deadly. IJN Suzuya had a bomb miss her, landing in the water nearby amidships, and that would cause the torpedoes in one turret to detonate, the fire from that would spread and begin affecting other torpedoes as well, eventually the fires reached the engines and then the magazine. And To be fair......they kinda had no choice to leave wake island to fend for itself. Not saying I agree with it, or it was a good decision but if you look at it more in depth, After pearl harbor, none of our battleships were left undamaged and we had three cruisers and three destroyers that took damage, our carriers which we had 7 in service that being The Langley, Lexington, Saratoga, Ranger, Yorktown, Enterprise, and Wasp. The langley being the first carrier we ever had was not that good. Lexington and saratoga were cv-2 and cv-3 being the second and third carriers we made but like langley they were converted ships. Ranger was the first purpose built carrier we had. And then yorktown/enterprise/wasp were built using knowledge of the lexington classes and the ranger. Japan on the other hand still had most of their fleets intact plus 11 carriers, their biggest of which were bigger than the yorktown classes, and their pilots had much more experience than any american ones at the time. If the US had sent what fleet they had left to try to help wake, not only would it have put them in the position to be attacked and destroyed by overwhelming numbers, but it would have left the rest of the pacific unprotected. Plus the japanese were closer and had a head start. On the grand scale of it, cause if we lost those remaining ships too?
The imperial Japanese navy were having their version of D-day
An important bit of context. No one will ever say not even attempting to pull the Wake Defenders out was NOT an absolute shit thing to do... but historically looking back on it there wasnt really anything that could be done. Wake island was pretty deep into enemy held territory at this point. Its important to know that although Pearl was the most significant attack it was a single attack in a series of lightning quick surprise assaults on damn near every single American held island in the Pacific, many of which went down very quickly.
So launching any kind of rescue effort would almost absolutely have resulted in the loss of many many more lives and ships that would as a result, make it even more difficult for the US to organize any hopes of a counter-assault to reclaim anything.
Its shitty as hell but sadly that was the honest truth of the situation.
This battle was the basais for the film "The Fightin Seabees" . [ John Wayne.]
I served Army for 10yrs. No matter your MOS or all the way to JSOC, you’re just a number to the government to use at their disposal and call upon the next number when you go, however you go.
The USS Saratoga (aircraft carrier) was actually ordered to wake island to drop their air wings there and resupply the base. The were ordered to turn around however, given the massive damage throughout the Pacific to US Naval, ground and air units, the Saratoga and her escorts could not be risked to try and hold Wake Island, especially given she was heavily outnumbered.
This was the right decision by the way, even if it did totally suck.
To truly understand just how overwhelmingly successful the Japanese navy and air wings had been at the outset of the war, I highly recommend watching Kings & Generals Pacific War on CZcams, every episode from start to finish. It will give you the full true scope of what not just the Americans, but the Allies in the Pacifuc, were up against.
Everyone speaks of the European Theater of WW2, but the Pacific Theater was far more brutal, vastly larger geographically, and implemented every type of Warfare known to man.
That's really what it boiled down to.
1) We can't match the enemy fleet that will be present.
2) We can't get there soon enough.
3) After the beating we just took, remaining assets have become too important to risk sending into a loosing fight hoping to get lucky.
What happened to Blackadder???
No way America would allow people to know how inept the government was and how little the men mattered.
Rules when dealing with the Marines
One don’t target, the medic.
Two. don’t shoot the officers, that means the gloves come off.
three. Don’t screw with the Marines.
This is the Gospel according to the fat electrician…
Also, at the same time America was dealing with the attack on Pearl Harbor the invasion of the Philippines, and the Japanese strikes on other locations in and around the Pacific.
So wake Island was very low on the totem pole of places that they needed to get reinforcements. They weren’t going to waste men material ships and time, to rescue these the men on Wake Although not everybody in the US government at the time actually agreed with this decision.
Also, Hank, Elrod actually died in the second battle of Wake island. He led troops into battle and was eventually killed. They eventually named a frigate after him, USS Elrod.
I’m told the Japanese respectfully buried him because he showed honour during the battle, and he was reinterred in America in 1947.
This is like the last part of the movie "Battleshi" where the old man says let's kiase muthaf^^^a's
Two things wake Island was so important to both sides because of its air strip with that you control the shipping lanes to Australia from Hawaii. Two those Construction workers were the for runners of the Sea Bees the Construction force of the US navy throughout the war they built everything from water plants air strips hospitals fuel dumps and fortification. At first they recruited civilian Construction workers and trained them like Marines, and yes John Wayne was in a film about them
If you want a mental war story try Mad Jack Churchill he stormed the beach of Normandy with only a bow and arrow and broad sword and survived ( only person with a confirmed kill with long bow in WW2 )
Daniel, we don't take offence at the appellation, "rag tag" in this fight. At this point in Marine Corps history we were fighting a first world nation with the same weapons used in the Banana Wars.
Gotta be noted that those Wildcats were older planes than the Japanese ones they were up against... but if I remember correctly, they could turn better...
Could someone drop a link or do a video on the Dong guy I literally know nothing about him yet he’s killed so many people and I know nothing of him?
Another interesting note about about future President George Bush. After his Wake Island introduction to combat he was later shot down and rescued by the US Submarine Finback (SS-230) off Chi Chi Jima Japan.
Marines should have sent runners to the Commander but maybe they didn’t think about it at the time or something. Still the Japanese got their asses kick both times. I suggest either the Bat Bombs or Marines vs AI as the next Fat Electrician video.
I think it's probably because marines are taught to get aggressive enough quickly enough, as FE says. so something like checking the commander's bunker was out of their heads. maybe.
This has happened before. It was called the Alamo.
This story really gets me, they held that island and only lost it due to misinformation the commander assumed.
Also, I think we need to know the names and stories of those involved, because these people were as bad ass as any anti hero in the war. These people deserved for their real story to be told, and it shouldn't have ended because a commander had an oopsy moment.
But maybe he really did save them all. 🤷♀️ who knows.
So some of his info is wrong the overall commander of U.S. forces on Wake was Navy Commander W. Scott Cunningham. but sadly he was ignored by history thanks in large part by hollywood when they made the movie "Wake Island" in 1942 giving Maj. Devereux all the credit when he was really 2nd in command. and it was Cunningham who told the marines to hold fire and also he made the decision to surrender. of course no 1 knew what really happened till after the war as they were POW's , Cunningham did put out a book in the 50's? called "Wake Island Command" that is worth a read it covers the whole battle and his time in POW camps and post war.
React to America taking down a sub with potatoes from the TFE it is hilarious 🤣🤣
I don't know about y'all & sorry if I sound demeaning, but Daniel there (right screen) look like actor Brendan Fraser in some angles if you closely
The Alamo of the Pacific..
Since you guys Just did something about the Pacific theater lets stay there with Old 666
And now you know why Wake Island was mentioned but never taught while in school. It showcased the incompetency of the early US Command in WWII. Abandoning those men to save ships.
I was a teenager in the early 70s and we were taught American history including WWII. They taught Pearl Harbor, Iwo Jima and Midway but only mentioned Wake and Bataan in passing. The wins get emphasized and losses get forgotten. Much like the Vietnam War is currently treated the same. Unless you lived during that time, you have no knowledge of My Lai and the fall of Saigon.
Bro looks like Sal from impractical jokers in their younger days on tv
How did you not know?? The history channel back when they actually did history covered all of this. I feel you guys were taking algebra in 12th grade
Devil Dogs are just built different. Semper Fi!
At that point the US had exactly 3 aircraft carrier and there was no way to tell where the 6 IJN carriers were..If, for instance, the US sent 2 carriers and both were destroyed, you could say goodby to the Battle of Midway. Sending reinforcements to Wake would have been exactly what the Japanese wanted.
And this description is wildly at odds with the official version, with no obvious reason for there to be a fake report.
I would suggest Winter Soldier OD's on METH, Becomes Unkillable - Aimo Koivunen . One of the Fat Electricians best .
And disrespectful to make the movie. Not really, they never said or portrayed anything bad about them, they just basically conveyed that they died heroically for their nation. Which some sadly did. But that’s war. And Marines are very, very good at war. Our cooks, clerks and such have battles that only Marine Infantry or special forces from other branches and nations can only match. Or hope to exceed. There is insanely few times whole units have gone swinging, and killed almost to the last, Marine units have done that too many times sadly, as they didn’t have enough men or supplies. But they held on, at times down to one effective, and heavily wounded Marine, still holding ground he told too and fighting, though he’s actively dying, long enough that the area was still more or less secure, and reinforcements could more easily move in and retake/hold that position and evac the few survivors. If we’re told to take and hold ground. Or to hold ground, we will, until we’re dead. Or the mission is accomplished, we take a few mantra’s very seriously, God, Corps, Country, and Mission, Men, Me, also Semper Fidelis we know no fear but a mission not accomplished. As a Marine we are taught all these events in boot camp, including Sgt Maj Dan Daly, Gen Butler. Pearl Harbor/wake, and every other major battle and event of Marine heroes, including the Mexican American war, the time we did our first amphibious assault and wrecked the Brit’s in the Bahamas in the revolutionary war, the Barbary wars, and everything that’s happened that was epic, up to the time you go to boot camp, we aspire to be them, to never let down other Marines, the idea and traditions, of past, present, future Marines. We are the bushido code, that makes sense, Spartans. Woth your shield or on it is how you return home. Excepted didn’t off ourselves if we failed, as we don’t fail, at least as long as we’re alive, if we’ve failed. It’s because we all died while trying while horribly outnumbered and out gunned, under supplied and under supported as history shows time and again. Almost the entire pacific campaign most Marines were armed with M1903 Springfields. M1917 rifles or M1917 water cooled machine guns. While the army got M1 Garands and the lighter, easier to move M1919 air cooled .30 cal machine guns, we just had to make do with shit from WWI or earlier. We had very limited tanks. Or no tanks at times, the army, all the tanks they could ever use and tank destroyers, and anti tank guns, aka, towed, direct fire artillery. Until the F4 Corsair came about our fighters were slower. Less maneuverable. And objectively worse. In almost every way. They did back then, the impossible. With way less, the USMC always has, and seems will always need to, they just took away our tanks, in modern times, with WWWIII looming the government took all our tanks away. And took away like two of our attack helicopter squadrons, also denied us the upgrade of modern, fast, effective landing craft. Left us saddled with the AAV, an old, long past its time. Slow and vunerable amphibious assault vehicle, that is also slow on land. Dead slow in water. A sitting duck. Under armed and under armored, and prone to drowning us by a squad or two s as t a time as it sinks and we can’t get out, as they barely float and can only go like 10 mph in the water, and if lucky 45mph on land, both in perfect test conditions, which don’t exist in the real world. So it seems our government is actively trying to kill off all the Marines and the USMC, like they have throughout history. Every chance they get. They deny any upgrades, improvements, new stuff. Make us fight modern wars with generations old equipment or take it away from us, try to disband us like they have many, many times, the most effective and only one ready to throw down. Anywhere on the earth on land. Sea and I. The air, when it matters for real. With enough numbers and sheer grit and the skill needed to hold if nothing else. And always win.
It was used like the story of the Alamo to gin up fury in the American people. True or not… it stoked a huge fire.
And yes he may have just met the devil, or a representative of his in Mao…but he was fighting and killing imperial Japanese, and not Chinese, and not there on his own accord, or causing them trouble. So he’s good in their book…and you do also realize American citizens volunteered to go fight for China in the air war, the famous flying tigers? And we were also supplying them and another group of Chinese we could that were fighting against Japan, so Americans at the time were very good friends of his and many Chinese, he knew that, we were helping and have also joined officially into to the war, instead of only supplying people. So that Marine was very safe being around him.
The Alamo of the pacific.
prolly why people consider us stupid.
Watch "Operation Paul Bunyan
They don't talk about it because they left them to die
well dude.... all the civi's were busy covering the marines ass
The navy tried and then decided to retreat. The marine almost mutatany
During WWII is when America was at it`s greatest.
Oh yeah. That film, was a major piss off the people and nation factor, get them fired up and fight.
Propaganda itself isn't a negative term necessarily, it's become one lately but it generally just means a piece of media or the like that is used to push a specific viewpoint.
"Lets not forget world war" tree
Please react to Sabaton
Not 1000...450 marines
Old 666! Nuff said.
The Japanese ate the dog.....
There's nothing inherently wrong with propaganda, as he said, it's all about how and why it's being used.
Sorry But Twin enguine "Nell" bombers do NOT work from carriers. Photo bloops always amuse me..
Propaganda, when a British person takes a really good look at something
The Word you might be Looking for is Propaganda...
I was thinking American propagana or American moral both work tho
'Things you didn't learn in school' I love this idea guys 🫡
Hit that thumbs up ! 👍👍👍
Is the guy with the green background gayer than gay