Is It Time For F1 To Drop The Circuit De Barcelona-Catalunya?
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- čas přidán 15. 05. 2018
- What a borefest! We're back for our fifth WTF1 podcast talking about all the ongoings from the 2018 Spanish Grand Prix. Is it time for F1 to say goodbye to the Spanish circuit? Will this be Grosjean's last season at Haas? What was wrong with Sirotkin's seat? We dive into this and more so come and have a listen!
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Prepare for Monaco... 😫😴
Da Monster Cat 😒
Da Monster Cat I think quallifying is gonna be very interesting...
One of my favourite races in calendar
Pray for rain! 🙏
I don't even find Monaco boring tbh. The track is fucking metal and there's always some degree of carnage. And while there are barely any overtakes it's still sort of entertaining because of that.
Other tracks are MUCH more boring to watch.
They RUINED Circuit Barcelona-Catalunya cutting La Caixa and building that chicane between the last 2 corners...
Why can't the redesign that chicane? Make it not as narrow and have the cars flow through.
pedro7g5 i highly disagree, without that last chicane it would be impossible for f1 cars to run close to each other on the last cornerlol
Guys, it's WTF1, not Sky Sports, they can be biased.
Sky Sports are also massive Hamilton dicksuckers to be fair.
The Undisputed so accurate
She is a bit anti Max😂
and VERY pro Lewis!!!
she just doesn't want to admit max is better than Lewis because she is such a fucking lewis fanboy lol
...And anti Kevin but that's sort of understandable☺
Max's arrogance, makes his criticism fair. He races like he owns the track with no concern for other drivers.
What is wrongvwith being a Lewis fan?
If they do drop out catalunya
REPLACE IT WITH THE NURBURGHRING REEEEE
Ford galaxie Fan club! They want nurburgring. But nurburgring is shit at closing the deal
Nordschleife 😈
David Dominguez I hope your kidding 😂😂😂
Ford galaxie Fan club! Have you ever seen a race at the Nordschleife without good racing?
Die Legende the cars are 101% percent not designed for the nordschleife, just doesn’t feel right
I love Matt's painfully big man crush on Charles Leclerc
I dunno about dropping the circuit but would like to see the old layout back instead of that chicane
Keep the track but remove it for testing. Testing should be done on a track that is not used for the season.
Jon Lee or keep this track for testing but not for the race :p
Maybe we could do Jerez for testing.
Joe Buckley well imo Barcelona is a good track for testing since it has pretty much all types of corners + a long straight meanwhile Jerez is very narrow with most of the corners being very slow
Cousin You have a good point, I think that Catalunya is a bit hit and miss when it comes to races, it’s either great like 2016 or 2017 or it’s a bore fest like this year
Well actually Montmelò is the perfect compromise if you want a track near to the teams headquarters (for Middle East tracks you have to do expensive travels), a track where is enough warm on winter (except for this year's snowfall) and a quite technical and well mixed circuit with long straights, fast and slow corners.
My prediction for Monaco:
1.) Max
2.) Daniel
3.) Seb
(and now my top three drivers, try and guess my nationality, lol)
1.) Alonso
2.) Sainz
3.) De La Rosa (come on he's a great commentator nowadays)
ZPERO i think you are german :p
ZPERO are you from Brazil or something
ZPERO xD dónde está Alguersuari?
Alvaro Martinez es verdad, es que al rededor de esos años dejé de seguir la F1 tanto... 😅
Guessing you're Spanish? But don't worry, my top 3 are Alonso, kimi, and daniel
Also funny how you first protect Grosjean with saying that it's just a moment of him not gettting good results but you keep bashing on Max's results while talking about Monaco. Be objective...
Max wasn't wrong when he got in the back of stroll, you expect from the best drivers in the world that they react at least whit in one second, Stroll was just sleeping!
It's comparable with expecting drivers in F1 to break late, if a F1driver breaks way to early what makes you crash into the back it's also not your fault.
Max had a clean good race and it irritates me that even when he does good he will get hate for the smallest things.
I mean let's be honest, if Max would have spunned under the vsc like Ricciardo did everybody would talk about how shit he is and call him the new Maldonado.
Because Ricciardo isn't that young, and a very likable guy nobody cares...
Just let them talk.. Max also could not care less what people on the outside say about him.. In fact, it's actually a good thing people talk a lot about him, because it means he gets attention.. Nobody cared about Ricciardo spinning because nobody even saw or noticed it, Daniel drove another nobody race where Max had lots of screen time again..
Shame they were held up by Raikonnen in the beginning and then Stroll during the VSC.. Red Bull (Max Verstappen) was faster then Ferrari this race and probably even had the pace to attack at least Bottas.. Cannot wait for Monaco..
Wasn't Max sleeping because he just drove into the back of Stroll?!
Nathan Constable
Thats just a dumb comment. lol
@ nathan then Daniel was sleeping in baku aswell, but no Max gets the blame for that aswell
F1 fans are pathetic really, cant just handle the fact that Max is fast and will be the new great driver. Trying to bring him down with cricits, Thank god Max just doesnt give a shit.
Speaking of Ricciardo: This so called super driver that is easily better than Verstappen says on the team radio that he thinks he has more pace than Max, hoping they might let him through, but he knows just as well as the team that Max was being held up by Kimi at that point. Then after they both cleared Kimi Max just drove away from Daniel slowly but surely. In the end the difference was 35 seconds on practically the same strategy and with a VSC period in it too! Even with a partly broken front wing which no doubt had some impact on his pace he still pulled away from him.... Ricciardo got absolutely schooled by Max this race, now that he didn't have a 9999 mile long straight to slipstream and drs him
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Love these podcasts
If someone would throw a rock from the stands and it would hit Verstappen's car, Jess would still find a way to blame him.
No. Just because a circuit has bad racing doesn't mean we should drop it for the sake of entertainment. Fix the cars first and then modify the circuits if the racing is still bad.
Velocita Barcelona has been poor for racing since ever
Remember when Top Gear went to Spain in three supercars a few years ago and made that street circuit to test their cars on? Well that might be a better choice of circuit.
The Madrid GP circuit is much better than Valencia and Barcelona
What's this hate at max
Sjonnie De Gangster I dont have a clue This girl Just a max hater for no reason
I dunno man
It's cool to hate on Max pretty much.
asimb0mb Why? Because he's probably the best driver?
Max Lodder I really want to see their faces when he is world champion ;)
You didn’t see daniels spin because it wasn’t broadcasted :/
Maybe they need to use a different track for testing. Problem is they do so many miles at Barcelona before the season starts that the cars are incredibly well set up for there.
Aragon could be a good circuit for pre-season
They don't need to remove it. Just the cars tbh. If front wings were simpler it will be fine, Verstappen had no end Plate and was pulling away from Vettel, it made no sense so front wings need to be simpler
Timi Akinlonu “M-Plate”
It's called an End plate ;)
How the hell did you come to the conclusion its called an M plate lol.
Special probably cuz they don't pay attention to enunciate it very well
The thing is: These front wings are constantly getting more and more complex. They keep adding and adding and adding parts. There's at least 200 aerodynamic elements and details on each given wing. Their budget only allows for the current wings to be improved and just slapping a few new parts on or changing minor details is a lot more cost productive than literally starting from scratch and kicking parts out. That'd be a step back only to make a big step forward again. Sounds weird but that is what teams try to avoid.
Hasn’t the “Perelli changed tired to help Mercedes” story been debunked after the mid-season test??
I recall Vettel coming out and saying that it was Ferrari’s fault and the degradation on the older(thicker) tires were much worse than the newer(thinner) tires.
I don’t know maybe you should’ve corrected yourselves in post.
For those who are saying to go to valencia:
1-Valencia except 2012 had more boring races
2-The circuit is abandonned because of economical problems (basically corruption) so there's not even a chance of getting back
3- Barcelona is a great circuit the problem is the dirty air
4-Japan, Australia, Monaco and Hungary are boring aswell, we drop them too?
Love what you are doing Guy's.please put these back on SoundCloud.
It's time to use ground effect.
Vincent Bruins Someone gets it
Stop it and do your research - they already use it lol
Marko-13000 What we mean is more powerful ground effect with side skirts
Christopher O'Connor The difference wouldn't be significant, they are already very much on the edge with the diffusors - I think and hope the simpler wings that we'll see next year are the way to go - if F2 experience is anything to go by...but then again pretty much the same thing was attempted in 2009 and it wasn't exactly that effective
Marko-13000 I have two words for you: watch IndyCar.
these podcasts are the best
Really loving this podcasts! Please keep them coming!!! And once again I'm late to see this... but I was at WRC Rally de Portugal, can't find a better excuse
Perfect ending. Loving the podcasts!
I'm sorry to say, but Jess sounds WAY too biased when it comes to Hamilton and Max. She love Hamilton and hates Max, it's so obvious.
I think they've all got their biases that come in way too much. I like that they're fans of the sport but I do wish they'd reign in their biases just a little bit.
Wattup Umbreo
heliumtrophy but it sounds more like blind biased. Because it's a given fact that the Merc is very very bad around Monaco. The likelihood of a Ferrari or RB wining is far greater.
Biases are normal.
That's called being a fan of the sport bro. I'm pretty sure you would be the same with your favourite team. Commentators and pit reporters in Supercars are bias (Mark Skaife with Holden and Mark Larkham with Ford).
"Oh, Monaco is so shit" Love these podcasts, they're great to watch. People are getting nasty about the panel being biased in one way or another, but isn't that kinda the point? It makes for great discussions, arguments and banter. Keep it up!
D Green well said
I think Vettels points about the VSC are important though. If drivers can speed up to overtake you because they only have to be below the delta at the 'checkpoints'.
The Le Mans Commentary on Radio Le Mans is excited but very good.John Hindaugh is a SportsCar commentary legend.
Radio Le Mans is brilliant, it’s the French commentator at the track who is annoyingly constantly excited over nothing.
Great Podcast... But why does it takes so long to upload it to spotify??!!
Annoyingly Spotify takes forever to process it, we uploaded it hours ago
Love it! Keep it going WTF1
I agree about the safety cars. On a dirt track race I attended recently, there was a caution seemingly every other lap. Gets irritating after a while.
I think if the right hand corner before the chicane becomes the chicane (hope that makes sense) which then gives you a medium speed right hander followed then by the last corner. Maybe allowing more momentum into the back straight?
Love it from Paris. Great podcasts :) Merci ! #wtf1
I applied to the videographer/editing job, what an awesome role it would be to work with them
probably the best podcast that exists on CZcams at the moment even if there is two weeks between some episodes (ps. matty is the best of them all)
Its time to use the old route in sector 3 and drop that ugly chicane. It is the main problem why we see so few overtakes at the end of the straight.
Legendäres Item aus Pandora I don't think the supersofts can take that much load.
Legendäres Item aus Pandora
The old sector 3 layout would destroy the following car aerodynamics because two fast corners produce maximum dirty air.
It would actually be worse with the old layout, because faster corners equal more downforce at the time of passing through the corner and that produces more dirty air - not just a little bit more but squared to the velocity - so that wouldn't really solve the overtaking problem; even though the last sector would be restored to old greatness :)
Marko-13000 Huh, is that so? How is it working in Monza then, after the rather fast Parabolica? Or in Spa, after Eau Rouge. It even works on the Hangar Straight in Silverstone, after exiting Chapel.
You have a lot more problems overtaking on a straight, when the corner prior was very slow, i.e. the straight in Austria after Turn 3, Suzuka's finish straight, or the very one in Barcelona.
Legendäres Item aus Pandora
The parabolica is a high speed corner with only braking zone. The old sector 3 has two high speed right handers.
Eau Rouge is always a full throttle combination.
The problem for the barcelona chicane is that there is only one racing line and you can bring yourself into posizion for an overtake.
No Jess, just no again.............
Great job on the podcast, 10x better than the race!! LOL!
Am i the only one who doesn't know what jess does other than these podcast
BList yes
Yes.
No :3
Just scolled some their video feed and i can't find a video other than,the podcast that she's in?
Annoys me that the merc on the table is a different scale then the others.
Fritz ocd
Interesting video. More video like that and i watch it all
what is all of your guys twitter?
why tf aint the podcasts in soundcloud ffs
JESS IS BANGING!!! 😍
Eh.. No just no
@@h0mey lolol it's just like
No, that's not a thing. :')
Studying + podcast in the background. Name a more iconic duo
That roundabout example was pure bull lol
When the lights go Green in F1... YOU GO!
No waiting. No pissing around. GO!
Stroll's fault, not Max.
Audio levels way better this time!
Replace VSC with full course yellow?
Thank you for the comment on RTL. It's really hard, when they are showing commercials arround the worst possible times or mentioning every possible name of the Mercedes Team again and again and again ... but unfortionally F1 TV Pro wasn't a choice either this weekend ...
Thank you Jess for defending Sirotkin :D he's not as bad as his car but still needs to work on his driving
I'm surprised no one picked up on the fact that one of the reasons that probably contributed to Ricciardo setting fastest laps towards the end of the race was that the track was being properly rubbered in throughout the race duration. It rained that morning, so the track was somewhat green at the start of the day. As more and more running was done through the support races, and then the main race going on, the track gripped up and got faster off-setting the fact that Ricciardo's tyres were worn. I can't speak for the times that the other drivers were doing as I didn't have any live timing up or anything to monitor them, so only saw the lap times coming up on the feed, but Danny Ric was out in pretty clear air I believe on his own, and possibly chasing the DHL fastest lap award so he could get at least something out of the race as he was so far behind the cars infront after his spin.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who was a bit bored I fell asleep 😂😂😂
The roundabout thing happened to me 😅🤣🤣🤣
Murray Walker used to say "Anything can happen in Formula 1, and it usually does." Not really the case for the "Spainish" Grand Prix this year. Races like Baku used to happen all the time, though reliability took out the big guns, as opposed to crashes.
"RTL ... rubbish, by the way" - THANK YOU! Now you know what German F1 fans are going through every two weeks!
I don't know how I have missed these before. Wishing I had seen them earlier - I have some catching up to do.
To be able to work with a group like you would be a dream - The main fallback, however, is the lack of professional video editing beyond the irregular PS4 CZcams videos I have done.
What KUBICA said about SIROTKIN'S problems with his seat: "... during the Abu Dhabi tests, I noticed some things that are troublesome for tall drivers (...) Of course someone else said in Abu Dhabi that it is OK and after a few months, he changed his mind. I do not want to go into details too much ... "
According to Ted Kravitz "Spainish Grand Prix" was painted in the advertising strip on the ground in the pit lane, supplying us with another wonderful F1 meme. Well done Baku.
Awesome job everyone!!! Love thr Indy 500 shirt!!!
For the verstappen/stroll incident, when you look at the replay, when max hits Lance, you can clearly see that the light is still flashing yellow and it comes green right after that. So maybe red bull told max that the vsc was ending so he picked up the pace and williams didn't told stroll so that's why he reacted so late. Anyway that's my guess
@Antou I noticed it only after looking at onboards video, here's a link to my full comment about it (shown first under this link - czcams.com/video/7NXsQkmVX0A/video.html&lc=Ugz0tKrN2bi432yMcV54AaABAg )
The drivers get flashing green dots on their steering wheel before the lights beside the track turn green, and the visuals on TV. The dots on the steering wheel mean that the VSC is to his end, and you can start picking up the pace.
And Stroll was not driving the pace you should be as Verstappen lost 5 seconds on Bottas as he was behind Stroll the whole time.
Lucas Kman, I'm not talking about pace under VSC or who is at fault for that incident, just about the restart, and you said almost same thing, that flashing dots on steering wheel means VSC is ending. Now, in my personal opinion, I don't fully agree with "can start picking up the pace" part, I think it's to get ready for restart, like you get red lights at the start before they go out. But I'll have to do some more research about it, thanks for your comment :)
The reason they tweeted SpainishGP is because thats what was originally painted on the tarmac in the Pits, they fixed it for the race on Sunday
The german commentators at RTL aren't always that excited haha.
Love to hear your thoughts on the proposed (or approved) Miami GP being added to the 2019 calendar. The proposed track layout looks terrible IMO.
BullPlop11 defo looks awful! Why even bother if ur gonna make it trash
Everyone said the same thing about Baku. It's turned out alright. Don't judge it before they race on it. Those 2 side by side straights going in opposite directions over the bay and going past each other at ~700 kph (combined) should at the very least, look awesome.
Flintstoned yeah but they look too long so the merc power will just cruise past people
john hunter So should only tracks not suited for Merc be allowed? If they have the better car, then they deserve the win. I say this as a Ferrari fan too, BTW.
Flintstoned The bridge cough cough lots of flaws cough cough
With Safer Barriers (as well as all the other safety features invented in the last 25 years) they really should reconsider chicanes such as Catalunya's, which were installed primarily to slow the vehicles down in the name of safety.
Is there any chance you could make these 15 mins longer? My journey to work takes half an hour so it means on the way home it finishes 15 mins before I get home. #FirstWorldProblems
The VSC loop hole were the driver can go full speed on pit entry and pit exit doesn't really change the fact that making a 20 second pitstop whilst the other drivers are going 40% slower is still going to gain you time so i dont really understand Vettel's complaint on that one!
Perhaps the VSC is a good idea, but couldn't they apply it to only the sector(s) affected?
I need a timestamp for the thumbnail quote
4:41 Totally agree with you there Tommy. The Chicane is the worst corner on the calendar for the reasons you mentioned.
Yes, but only if there's a decent replacement to host the Spanish GP, which, in my opinion, should be a part of the calendair... Any ideas?
(Please, don't say Valencia)
Maybe Aragon could be a decent option
Also for testing it would be better ti use other tracks like Barhein.
It's kinda sad, since I find this track fantastic, with the exeption of the last chicane
Bobby Miner I ment a track in Spain
Jerez
what's wrong with Valencia
Die Legende Jerez would be even worst from a spectacle point of view
alex21212121 Everithing 😂
I would like to see Algarve on the calendar
Yeah it should be replaced for brands hatch or Fuji speedway
kvyat --> HAAS (ferrari customer)
Of course it isn't a great track for racing! It was designed for motorcycles. Seems like the MotoGP is having a blast there.
On that Vettel pitstop: Merc actually played Ferrari that time. Once the VSC was deployed they got their mechanics all set for a pitstop, they even had the tires out. Immediately after, Ferrari pulled Vettel in. I don't buy that whole "the tires were done thing". Bottas only pitted a handful of laps after Seb.
Edit: Monaco will be awesome. With Grosjean in a mood to spin, that race weekend will probably be a remake of that one time he buried his car in the barriers every session during his stint at Lotus.
Indy500 t shirt . Ok so somebody knows about it.
Been trying to put my finger on who Jess looks like since the first podcast lol. Finally, figured it out, Game of Thrones. Yara Greyjoy. I'm now at peace...
18:00 - Why Vettel's stop was slow; they were avoiding an unsafe release from Perez coming into the pit lane.
Last race Jess said the crash was Max's fault when Ricciardo ran into the back of him and now is saying it's Max's fault again because when you run into the back of someone you're to blame... hmmm...
The difference is max was weaving into a heavy braking zone and it when ur directly behind someone ur brakes work less where as when he ran into the back of stroll u could argue max had a bit to do with the crash but u cant completely ignore that even if stroll was just letting him past y would he do it on the racing line
Pirelli is going to bring the Hypersofts but I'm pretty sure that the Supersofts can last for 100+ laps at Monaco so a one stop race again...
A GP in Madrid would be awesome
VSC does not need to be the full circuit, it should only be active where the danger is and the rest of the track kept live, that would help safely spice up the race
Got to focused on charles DOTD for me charles and ALONSO two awsome overtake especially outside of OCON
Should there be no pitting under the VSC to stop drivers gaining an advantage
I think this circuit would be perfect with some chicanes, also with the 2019 regulations the cars will be able to be closer to each other.
It’s Snoop Dogg’s character on an older show called Monk, I’ve had it forever 😂 I love these podcasts! Also I’m thinking Danny Ric wins Monaco just throwing that out there.
It's like you guys didn't see the painting mistake which said Spainish GP at the start of the weekend 😂
I'm from Spain, we have Aragon or removing that stupid chicane! Because Jerez I think is too narrow for this wide bois XD
Or maybe the new Navarra circuit
Iván Cayuelas Rodrigálvarez There's also the option of the valencia circuit
Jess is so biassed
Daan Herben your picture made mr think i got a hair on my screen... Lol
Dennis Weijzen Hahaha nice
I would like to make a pun but I won't.
Simone Vestidello Got me curious now..
Simone Vestidello Got me curious now..
About 5 minutes into the episode, but you guys should have a look at your audio compression or something, because the quality for me is a bit off...
Considering the man on the right was wearing an Indianapolis Motor Speedway shirt, I was really hoping for just a smidge of 500 talk.
In the US ESPNs coverage has drastically improved since the first race.... they now have no commercials and give you all the action... great analysis guys and Jess glad she's there spicing things up with her dirty up your bum jokes lol....keep it up
Those three man spreads tho - Impressive!
2:17 of course!
Matthew needs to try watching F1 in Canada, we get SOOOO many ads here it's so bad
No comment from Ali over the Alonso win in Wec at spa
Didn't the light go green after Max hit Williams? Max tried to jump him
Egert Hainla soon as the vsc ends the lights go green on the steering wheel the ones you see on tv on the side of the track are a little behind maybe 0,5/1 sec
Egert Hainla no Max accelarated when his light turner green
I really don't agree on removing the chicane. You complained about Mercedes running away but that is because they have a faster car on straights. If the backfield wants to compete they have to make their car very fast in the corners. When you remove the chicane you remove all slow corners in wich for example RedBull and more backfield teams slow corners are their strength. If you remove the chicane Mercedes would just run away more quickly, not making the race more interesting...
SpainishGP tweets is because it was not spelt correct in the pitlane...and vettel had a slow stop because he was held for another car coming down the pitlane... thought you guys watched the race
I doubt they really watched it. Probally more looking at their phones seeing what they can repeat out loud in their podcast.