When You Lose the Hosts that the Fans Love
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Looking at the recent changes of youtube channel WTF1's hosts and the comparisons being made to the British version of Top Gear.
My attempt at making a video in 1 week. I think it turned out ok...
On the P1 podcast, Matt and Tommy have said they left to start their own venture. So they weren't fired
We will never know the truth, Matt and Tom may just be choosing to keep the peace and say they were fired rather than air dirty laundry so they can put the issue behind them.
But in the absence of any sources about them being fired, the Onwards folks shouldn’t just speculate about reasons. And in the face of an absolute explanation from the principals involved that is contrary, this self informed analysis comparing things to what happened with TopGear seems a bit empty. The only way I could buy them getting fired is that the P1 with Matt and Tommy came about very fast (see incorporating docs filed with Brit govt) post announcement. If this was a planned exit, one could argue the paperwork would have been done. However, if this was a contract expiration situation (as is normally the case with modern media), it could just be explained as they wanted to file outside of a contract period so there was no question about impropriety.
I don’t believe that… Matt & Tommy were doing fantastic for WTF1. They were clearly forced out
@@Disrupting but they clearly stated they were not allowed to do everything they wanted and were being managed in a “corp” style that they didn’t always like. The best way to get away from that corp mentality is to start it on their own. Plus, if they were doing so well, why would WTF1 force them out? What’s most likely is that it was contract time and Matt and Tommy could demand much more compensation than previous and WTF1 was not prepared to give in, so they bring on 5 relative newbies who are cheaper to pay.
@@Disrupting dude that's some conspiracy level thinking. Doesn't matter that you think they were doing fantastic. They said they wanted to do their own thing and that's not an unusual thing to do.
And starting their own “P1 with Matt and Tommy” was a boss move though
It's just a shame we will also loss Katie I will miss her rants and tea jokes
@@slap_k_man1862 I guess it's upto her and how much the new business can afford, they'd very likely prefer to have her back in the podcasts.
I wanna have a go at both and evaluate which is entertaining and blah,blah,blah
Sweet, cheers the heads up!
@@slap_k_man1862 I think it's been announced she is welcome to join p1 if she ever chose to...
One of the reason I like Matt and Tommy is because they seem relatable to an extent that I feel I could be part of. Rather than a heavy monotone information dump about F1 and its’ seasonally drama, they make it tone down a slight, add some outsider opinion, while still keeping onto the tone of the drama but not over embellishing it, but is still extremely easy to comprehend for new and older fan of the sport
Sure I’ll try to give the new hosts a try but it’ll be difficult due to “First associative bias” where you believe the first person who you associate first over the second
Matty and Tommy are launching a new project soon called P1
youtube.com/@mattp1tommy
Also they try to be unbiased, but also don’t hide who they support. I think they found a really nice balance in that, they are able to give credits where credit is due and also critique their favourite driver if they’ve done something wrong
I wasn't crazy about Matty but Tommo rocked
About the Top Gear case, I do think that even though the trio’s own chemistry is unquestionably the main reason why it worked so well, when they reunited in Grand Tour, some magic was still lost. There were definitely more major factors that contributed on their successes, like the teams who worked behind them, those writing the scripts, making ideas or the visual and stuff.
One thing I did see missing is that the trios dressed too well in GT (no joke). I think one of the reasons why TG was so popular and funny is because the hosts looked like some bloke from your local pub instead of those super stars that you could never relate with.
I honestly couldn't finish a lot of GT episodes because something felt missing from them and sometimes boring.
Their individual shows tho I really like especially James May's Our Man In...
@@sheikhshit Things just didn't come together quite as well as when they did TG...something just felt very unnatural and off about GT.
@@apophisstr6719 too much budget
@@apophisstr6719 I think the problem for GT is that the comedy has to last an hour. On TG the comedy broke up the car bits, with occasional specials allowing an hour of three blokes dicking about with cars.
I've recently rewatched all the GTs, and they're not as bad as I thought they were. They're not as good as the heyday of TG, but by the time the BBC had dropped Clarkson, TG had gotten pretty formulaic and predictable.
Personally loved the GT. The specials at least still held the same magic from Top Gear.
I didnt realise WTF1 was owned by another company. When they first put out that goodbye video I thought it seemed very sudden. There's usually a lead up when a host is departing before they're actually leave so im inclined to believe they were forced out. When Jeremy was fired from Top Gear that was a sudden change, then Richard and James followed afterwards knowing the trio was the show.
same for me. I was like "isnt this their channel?"
Matt did mention the sister channel the race a few times. So I knew that. The weird thing is that they didn’t do any transitioning. Tom and Matt were part of the brand. They made Katie seem part of it. Not sure what’s up with her, but if she stayed on to lead the new presenters they could keep more of an audience going. I’m also an F1 fan, but would make a terrible host. So f1 credentials go only so far. These guys just seem random presenters to me. It’s not like a presenter I know who I would follow anyway is there.
Yea, I also thought that tommy left is a bit weird at first considering that he is the founder of wtf1
@@kevinhanandi there is actually a podcast with former host Jess. It’s very interesting. That channel was sold a long time ago, and Jess was part of that company and responsible to have WTF1 bring in money.
The race has an Aramco sponsorship, really shows you the moral compass of these guys
After Jess left, WTF1 was never quite the same but Matt and Tommy were enough to carry the viewership. Now they're gone, so is WTF1 to a lot of people. I just feel bad for the new talent, they've been given an impossible job. We've seen this with TONS of YT channels and WTF1 isn't the exception
Why did Jess leave?
@@spiffytuber7515 she went to autosport. I think in 2018/19?
@@joelfarley9305 Thanks! I didn’t know, I thought Jess was the woman who did race reviews with them last year, I’m not good with names
@@joelfarley9305 She's working on Sky F1 now.
@@spiffytuber7515 nah that's Katy, she came in to replace Jess when she left. She's sticking around as the editor of the website afaik
Interesting to note that Matt and Tommy's 'Goodbye' video has been removed from the channel - you can see it's not there in the screenshot at 5:02. Also calling some of the new presenters 'way under qualified' is putting it *very* politely.
I hope that's not referring to Dre. He's been doing this for far too long and fully deserves a platform like this
How can they be podcast hosts with their laptops webcam and Xbox microphone...I'm besides myself how this elgato sponsored channel could turn into this...
I wonder why it would be removed if it was them making the decision
@@KiLLJoYCZcams Maybe more to do with the comments and the like/dislike ratio rather than the video itself. If they hid those things it would be really obvious, better to just remove the video.
The one new presenter mispronounced “Raidillon" in his cringe intro video and I was like…bruh.
The fact is that Matt was the face of WTF1, and Tommy literally founded the channel. So why whoever owns it now decided to get rid of them is definitely either money or trying to be too PC
I think what made WTF1 that popular is that despite bein possibly number 1 in terms of sub growth, they kept having that "casual fan" attitude about things, never trying to appear like professionnal journalists, making comedy out of the drama instead of taking F1 so seriously, they were basically like educated fans having a fun time with the audience whether the race was good or bad.
Most F1 channels are very focused on having the "right" opinion, on dissecting rumors, on surfing on every bit of drama with their own take. And then theres the chemistry, Tom, Matt and Katie (which you didnt name but shes a BIG part of the group imo, wish she'd make a channel with those 2) are a good group in podcast, it doesnt feel like theres a battle between them for "who should speak" like on many other channels.
Last thing is that it was a group effort, and I prefer watchin multiple people talk about a race event, with multiple takes, than ONE guy or just a bunch of dudes repeatin more of the same. For example Tommo is gettin very popular but his talky videos/streams about news sounds more like "I'll just say whatever for an hour on this news bit I could cover in 2 min because people are sendin money anyway" (his edited videos are great though). One thing WTF1 had over everyone is bein genuine and respectin their time.
The fact that WTF1 is as successful as they are just baffles me. I can't stand their videos and I don't get how anyone enjoys it enough to be a fan. The style in terms of visuals, video structure and composition and even tone of voice and ways they talk just feel exactly like those kind of random channels who make "fact" list videos that aren't reliable at all. Those kind you used to find a lot more often way back before proper factual content came around. Also I don't know who started with it first but the fact that Driver61 and their thumbnails can be very similar style is kind of funny since they are so different.
But what I will give them is that they did their job really well. I don't like their style well at all but it is something lots of people want and they did it right.
And I agree with your starting point in the casual attitude being great. It is part of why I don't watch much of Tommo's stuff anymore, he used to make me feel like I sat next to a random guy at a bar while some F1 highlights were playing and we ended up having a few beers and discussing something we didn't expect someone else to be a fan of. I don't dislike him now though, just lost his unique feel for me, it would be like if Aldas started making videos that are less than 15 minutes long. And that is also why I still really enjoy F1Word's style of a guy just talking to us and not being afraid of sounding silly or being wrong just cause he has hundreds of thousands of viewers.
Spot on !
@@DeathBlocks I can't speak for everyone but for me it's always been the podcast. I never really watched the videos much and when I did I would take them for what they were. But the podcast was great, especially will jess. Don't get me wrong katie is good but it just isn't the same without Jess. What made them successful I think is they weren't afraid to just be fans. Every other channel like theirs it's news like coverage and everyone thinks they are a professional reporter, or David land I must say he is very good at being the serious reporter in a nonchalant way
No disrespect for Katy as a person, but I just never felt any sort of click between her and the guys and that they were just too nice to tell her that. T&M had proper banter with Jess and Katy just isn't that kind of girl..
@@Locormus2I’m honestly going to disagree with you, I honestly can’t remember much about Jess’ time with the team but Katy has always been a very entertaining member of the trio, so I very much hope she makes it onto the next project.
I think part of the reason Top Gear was so successful was that the presenters had so much time to build that chemistry. If you go back and watch some of the first seasons, you see that it takes about 3 seasons before the trio is really comfortable and another season or two before they're in the swing of it.
First season wasn’t even clarkson, Hammond and may. May didn’t arrive until season 2.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Yeah, that had that other bloke who had a section on consumer advice and ways to save money on cars. If I recall correctly, May actually did that section in Series 2, but it got dropped for series 3 and onwards.
I agree with the loss of the signature personalities effecting a show or project.
Smosh would be one that has either recovered from this partially or have kind of found a new audience.
I'm pretty sure by looking at the homage shows to The OG Top gear on CZcams done by other presenters now, The comments section is populated with people who watched TG and now are older but not alot of new people.
So the change of what the audience likes also could effect the popularity of media.
But For this to happen a show must have been on air for atleast a decade like TG.
OG top gear was hilarious. My childhood and before.
Didn't watch much Smoosh but I have heard that. Also I think College Humour had the same problem after some of their most well known creators like Jake and Amir left the channel
Smosh just… isn’t Smosh anymore.
@@onwardsandupwards547 do you know why they left? Cuz you said something that the new team would be more diverse at the beginning or is that just a suspicion?
@@saladass1571 I forgot they still existed and I last watched them in 2012
You hit the nail on the head. Plenty of F1 channels, but we liked Matt and Tommy for them, not just the F1 stuff. How is it that hard for people to understand that?
It's so sad to see this kind of "business", but in reality it's all about money. Nobody thinks about the consequences.
But that’s not even good business. Good business says if something is working keep doing it.
@@Michael-pi8ps Nah, media businesses nowadays is all about political correctness, cater all their resources to the ones that don’t even care about their shows in the first place but with the biggest noise of complaints.
@@Michael-pi8ps Yeah they never said it was good business, it's just how corporate suits try to work things to cut corners and costs, it's bollocks. They don't understand the human side of anything. BOTS
@@apophisstr6719 100% this. Everything is being poisoned by DIE, cultural Marxism. Look at all of Disney and Hollywood’s flops… if not about the money, it’s about propaganda.
@@apophisstr6719 WTF1 was literally the vanilla bean ice cream of F1 content. If they wanted more diversity they’d just hire Dre.
Psssst….idk if you noticed but the rest of the cast is still white 🤫
I subscribed to WTF1 because of Matt. He was so engaged and his passion was contagious. Also as a non-english viewer i could actually understand him. After he was gone i watched one more episode and i fell half asleep at the end of each sentence. The voice of the presenter started out good but halfway through each sentence it sounded like he ran out of air or got bored and the latter part became hard to follow. WTF1 misses Matt's spark and enthousiasm imo.
You can check out matt's new chanel called P1 with Matt and Tommy if you want
It's one thing to expand the crew by adding additional hosts and presenters for different segments on the channel, it's entirely another to REPLACE the original hosts. Idk why it is so hard for companies to understand that the hosts and people who interact with the audience are the secret sauce, not the format itself. Take for example CarThrottle - Alex left and despite Jack and Ethan still being there, there is no filling the massive hole that is gaping from a missing Kirsten. Personalities are what bring vies, not politics and "trendy topics".
It'd be like the carwow channel getting rid of Mat Watson. Good luck getting the same amount of views without him.
If you do have to replace someone, you also have to do it properly
I was on a digital shareholder meeting during covid and they said they were going to replace something like 30% of the company for diversity. After another small shareholder asked if they would make sure the new hires were as skilled, they said "it's not a priority".
They're gone now.
Vice versa, it seems hard to understand for some fans that the companies have duties not just to the fans.
Jeremy just got let go from yet another gig because he just can't understand that companies have a duty to their employees and when he's making it perfectly clear that he STILL doesn't understand that he can't work together with other people on a day-to-day basis AND be an abuse a**hole, then, well, the consequences he's suffered so far evidently haven't been harsh enough. Amazon gave him a second chance after he was let go for being physically abusive. Evidently, the impression he got from the whole deal was that he's being paid to be abusive.
@@ohauss bro.... you're talking about amazon. this is not about him being physically abusive.
@@ohauss Amazon knew exactly what they were getting into with Jezza, so their pandering to stuck up royal twats is incredibly stupid.
Boo hoo, he said something about a narcissistic American and her cucked husband. Get. Over. It.
It must be said I was surprised by how abrupt and sudden their leave was. Seemed weird for them to have left a project that was doing so well for them. Also no mention on Katie either.
One big difference for Top Gear UK vs all of the other versions is that you got the sense that these people were actually friends, and that it wasn't just an act for the viewers. Yeah, they fought a lot, but at the end of the day, they still liked one another. You don't really get that from the others.
The difference for TopGear UK is that the BBC let it run for 25 years with a constantly evolving lineup before they struck gold with Clarkson, Hammond, and May.
They weren’t friends to begin with, clarkson and may vaguely knew each other but not well and Hammond came from a relatively obscure channel that did car stuff during the day and soft core porn at night. They became friends whilst working in the show.
@@Jabber-ig3iw actually Hammond once worked in PR for Renault. He met May at publicity events as James was a car journalist.
Clarkson vaguely knew May as May was his replacement on the original run of Topgear in 1999. May had also written for Topgear magazine while Jeremy was a presenter on the TV show.
@@Jabber-ig3iw WRONG! Clarkson and May were friends LONG before TG relaunched in 2003 or so. And May and Hammond had been aquainted for a good few years as well. If the BBC hadn't insisted on Jason Dawes for the relaunch TG. May would have been there.
I think the other thing was they were car experts they had been originally hired for their car journalism. When they hired the new cast they thought funny and goofyness should be at the forefront. Whereas it should be based off of their knowledge. Harris is perfect for this and simply being a mechanic a decade ago would have been good enough.
The race YT channel was my go to whenever something happens in F1. but since they slap aramco logo in almost every new video, it was bonkers
God they went downhill so badly. I used to watch them all the time, few years back I would watch probably every video but they just became so shallow and pointless. The "You are watching The Race, brought to you by A-RAMCO" wasn't even the bad part.
Their videos just became 8ish minutes of either repeating something in slightly different ways or saying nothing more than what the title and thumbnail already told you. I can't remember the last time one of their videos didn't feel incredibly stretched. And don't get me wrong, I like bits and bobs of information and don't have a problem with rambling, but those bits need to mean something and the rambles shouldn't repeat themselves.
Their production quality and style is still great though.
Dude, great video. Engaging, well edited, and informative… Subscribed!
Ps, RT and AH were my main content consumed for entertainment. I miss the vibe they used to have… I’d love to see a deep dive into them.
I would NOT have expected to see you here XD
Wouldn't be surprised if Matt and Tommy left of their own accord so they could be in control of the channel themselves
I thought this could be the case... until I realised that Matt and Tommy's 'Goodbye' video has been removed by the channels new overlords.
They were fired
@@jaquestraw1 Do you have a source? I hope they decided to leave and weren't fired.
Tommy founded and owned wtf1 until it was sold to the Race in 2020. That shift from working for yourself to working for a company can be rough, I'm sure Tommy worked his earn out / contractual obligation period and then left. The Race will know that the channel thrived on their personalities and wouldn't have wanted to let them go. Tommy knows he can build business like wtf1 as he's done it before. It's not surprising Matt and Tommy want to do it themselves.
@@TheGravyMonster leaving on their own term doesn't mean that they left on good terms. Just as likely they left and the race felt slighted by it because they knew that they made the show what it was.
this was a surprisingly brilliant video and way above what I expected from a channel with 2k subs
I loved wtf1!!! It was the first channel I watched when I got into f1 a few years ago. I have no friends that like the sport so it was fun to geek out over the sport with them and the community. Wherever they go I’ll go. I just think it’s weird that the channel will be the same but with people I have no attachment to. I get it but I don’t see myself staying subscribed to wtf1 anymore
Agreed. WTF1 was Matt's channel. He's relatable and was a genuinely personable fan. And things like F1 meme videos hinge on the personality of the host. I don't know the new people and I'm not interested. I unsubscribed as well.
I've been watching for nearly 20 years, but Matt introduced people to F1 before Netflix did, and he's contributed to a far better new fanbase than Netflix. Netflix is fake, 99% of it is faked for the cameras. It's introduced an era of toxicity into the sport (not saying this didn't exist before hand, but since Netflix got their hands on it, it's dramatically gotten worse)
I really hope Matt creates a new channel, a channel that's his, and I hope he does not sell it this time to a larger media corporation that will shove him out again
@@Parker-- actually it was Tommy's channel but I know what you mean I think. And I don't get it. I would at least rebrand it otherwise they will always be compared to matt and Tommy and they just seemed like themselves so for the new people will feel fake if they go the same direction
@@PulsingKrugotvoid I didn't mean who literally owned it, I meant as in what was the reason people watched and the reason was Matt. You're right, they will always be directly compared when you do something like this and at best you're going to translate hopefully 75% of that viewership??? Like that's best case. More likely they'll lose half their total viewership.
exactly :(
Thank you for making this more visible & expanding the conversation! I’ve been shocked at how little this has been talked about. I immediately (& begrudgingly) unfollowed all WTF1 content with this announcement. WTF1 is & can only be Tommy & Matt (Katy too, she’s just new). Just like Jeremy, Hammond, & James May are TopGear.
It’s not out of spite or protest, I just know that it’s impossible to be even remotely close to the same show with those 2 gone & are they not even keeping Katy too?! Doesn’t matter now, they effectively killed that show the moment those 2 left. There’s just new F1 content that happens to call themselves by the same name of a beloved group of friends that put out F1 fan content, who is unfortunately no more. R.I.P. WTF1. If Tommy & Matt make their own content elsewhere, I’ll give it a go. Unfortunately, just like The Grand Tour was to TopGear, it’ll still never be the magic that was the true WTF1… :(
Them taking off Matty n Tommy from wtf1, almost seems like they want to kill the channel internationally with the people on right now. But we'll see if they have the "minerals" to make it work.
Great video and a lot of what you said is spot on, I started watching Matt from WTF1 when he was on CZcams and followed him when he went into wtf1 and now he’s moved I’ll follow again, absolutely shocking how it’s been handled but I know that they’re going to go somewhere right for them, great content
I was surprised to see there were 20,000 others who unsubscribed on the same day I did. Not out of malice for the new presenters, but I don't know them, and only have a certain amount of time in the week to watch F1 CZcams. There are plenty of other well established channels I am happy to keep watching, and will likely follow Matt and Tommy wherever they go.
Honestly I have no idea how they found people to take this over. I mean they have to know going into this that they have to take to the show in a different direction, or at least do things their own way. Because if they try to just do what matt and tommy did it just won't feel real even if it is. I'm not a business man by any means but I would probably rebrand it
It’s 70,000 now. They’re down to 1.10M
@@PulsingKrugotvoid Considering one of the new hosts started introducing himself that we may know him from a channel with 3000 subs I guess the sheer number of audience was enough to convince all of them. Nobody knows who these people are.
The have offered 5 random people a well paid job in front of a million subs, many would say yes in an instand.
@@gandalf_thegrey you are 100percent correct. My fault I forgot logic doesn't exist anymore, and everyone wants everything given to them.
might as well have been out of malice.. ain't no way i'm letting a Drive to Survive Influencer, a cringe tik-tokker and a superfan from a specific team ruin F1 for me.. fuck em..
I’ve never seen this channel before but that was an amazingly paced and organized video thank you for the content
Agreed
this is a great video, way above what i expected from a new channel and great production, subscribed
I don't think the WTF1 guys were fired. Tommy got his and Matt realized he was more valuable on his own (with tommy)
Back when Matt and Tommy was still on the channel, they were on they're way to pass 1.16million subs, sadly as of Jan 24, they are back down to 1.12million subs. It's not the new host's fault, they can still turn this around once they have found their footing. But not gonna lie, I will miss Matt as the host of the ''internet reacts'' It was one of my highlights after every grand prix as it allowed mo to connect and relate to other F1 fans as there are not that many f1 fans here in my country.
exactly 💔 we’re not gonna have anything to look forward to during or after every grand prix anymore
Feb 8th update - 1.10 million now. they lost 60,000 subs in less than a month
Subs isn't even the big one. I think the views will say a lot more on their new success. Because a lot of people are sleeping subscribers who don't actively unsubscribe.
As of Sept 7, 2023, they're down to 1.05 million subs.
It feels nice to watch a small channel grow and succeed. Congrats on the video blowing up lol.
Can't wait for the 10 million subscriber special :)
You absolutetly nailed it with the comparisons especially Roosterteeth.
3:00 important to note the viewership improving since then was only because the BBC switched the channel it airs the show on. After six seasons of abysmal ratings following the departure of the trio, the show was moved from BBC2 (which has a much lower viewer count across the board) to BBC1 (the main channel, with much higher average views) in an effort to prop up the view count. Which was initially successful... but even airing on BBC1 hasn't halted the ongoing decline in viewership for the show.
The original hosts of Top Gear left long before 2015, it's been around since the 70s 😂
This is the first time I watch this channel and I liked your terse presentation a lot. I paused mid-video and in 3 minutes you gave all the informations other channels would spread over 8-10 minutes at least.
was recommended this video and it is great work, keep at it!
Informative video, good to hear a perspective like this, agree with the majority of your points of view tbh! Dropped a sub! 🙌
Eddie Jordan was a team owner in f1, not just a team principle.
Now we have P1 with Matt and Tommy! Hope Katy joins someday too
I thought it was a very strange video. Thanks for piecing together a bit more of the puzzle.
Matt Gallagher was why I started getting into F1. He made the series interesting. WTF1 was where I got most, if not all, of my F1 news from his race rundowns. I hppe theybstart their own channel with the same topics.
That was sad
with WTF1 I think it may have been much more a contract dispute than anything... they have the faces, recognition and fan-base... so they want the money to go with it.. the owners were like "yeah, no, you get what you get" and instead of negotiating, fired and immediately replaced them instead. This differs from Top Gear (obviously) but yeah, they will take their chunk of fans and leave and I will be one of them following.
You hit the nail on the head. I can't even get into the channel anymore because well, it's just not the same.
Never watched WTF1, never even heard of it frankly but the Top Gear in the thumbnail caught my eye and this perfectly explains the folley of things like this. Every example you named off (that i know of anyway) encapsulates this perfectly. Rooster Teeth went from beloved bunch of nerds to bemoaned dramatics rehashing the same old content with none of the chemistry and Top Gear UK lost it's soul when Jeremy, Hammond and May left. The US version was okay imo, kinda wish it had lasted longer but it didn't quite have the same spark.
Really good video but in WTF1's case, who says they got fired?
The people running the show behind the scenes aren't stupid, their actual job is to have as many people tune in as possible and they know people watch mainly due to the hosts being who they are. I just can't see them actually firing them out of the blue.
It's possible but of course but my god that would be a ridiculously bad decision.
My guess would be that Matt and Tommy were both under contract until that point and decided they wanted to go elsewhere for whatever personal reasons.
"The people running the show behind the scenes aren't stupid", I worked in the entertainment world, and as displayed in this video as well, you'd be surprised how many "managers" are utter clueless about what makes folks watch something... Like mentioned in the video, people arent watching WTF1 they are watching because they like Tommy & Matt and their approach to it on WTF1. To just bring in a bus of seemingly just cheap hosts and expect the audience to just like that is typical excelsheet managerial logic.
@@Wouter-van-der-Molen That’s why i find it hard to believe.
If it’s like you said, you might as well drag a random person off the street, offer them the job and they’d do a better job than the people that have studied and/or have experience in the field.
I just don’t see any possible scenario where it could be considered a good idea no matter how bad the management is.
I don’t know man, i hope Matt and Tommy shed some light on the situation at some point.
This is exactly what happened to a small football channel called “HITC Sport” when the host was basically the entire channel. Then he got bought out, got fired and started his own channel keep doing what he did before and taking the majority of the subscribers (including me) with himself. Like you said it here, we watch because the hosts look genuine and bring a unique energy, not because of the name of the channel.
Is that the Irish guy? I didn't know he had left HITC, he's such a big personality
@@onwardsandupwards547 yes that’s the one. I’ve been following him since his debut, I guess I forgot he is big now.
He worked there since 2016 and accumulated 400k+ subscribers. His own channel now gets 40k views per video and the HITC gets around 3k, except for some special videos.
Tbh while I understand the similarities and I absolutely loved the old TG and their shows on Amazon, the BBC had to fire Jezza, it's simply what happens when you punch someone in any workplace.
WTF1 is a completely different situation.
The one thing they forget about Top Gear was yes it was more of a comedy with 3 guys goofing around, but they were legitimate automtive journalists. They replaced them with people who they thought would be able to goof around, but with no automotive background. It is no wonder Harris stayed because he was perfect for this kind of role, ex racing driver up for a bit of fun. I'm not even saying they had to go far, all three were automotive journalists not experts. If any of the hosts had done something as simple as bring a mechanic even a decade ago or done it at college before moving on. That knowledge would be perfectly good enough. But apart from Harris non to my knowledge did.
Oddly, the Goodbye WTF1 video has seemingly been deleted
Same with Motortrend except Jason Cammisa wasn't fired.
This is a shock. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Really high quality! Pleasantly suprised.
The old top gear cast made me unable to breath and almost shitting and pissing myself of laugher their interactions felt like real humans and naturals jokes that no matter how disrespectful or savage they were just like a group of really good friends
With Rooster Teeth, and particularly Achievment Hunter, I think part of the problem was how they introduced some of the new talent. After Ray left we started to see more of Jeremy, Matt and Trevor. This was alright because they had been working for the company for a while and had appeared a few times on camera. Sure there was some feelings of "who are these guys, I dont like them" from the community, but it was more of a slow transition, which gave us time to acclimate to the new faces. As the years progressed however, the company started to bring in new faces seemingly from the blue. This lack of time to get used to the new faces, the higher turnover rate, and the increase of easy to make, cookie cutter videos sounded the death knell of an institution.
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I stopped following most of Rooster Teeth pre-lockdown, and I agree I did like Matt, Jeremy, Trevor and Alfredo. But the crew from the 636 office when Ray was there was the best time (sadly including Ryan). The GTA and Minecraft Let's Play videos were pure gold, plus they bounced off each other so well.
The bigger the cast got the less I watched. Some groups just didn't gel together as well as others.
Its a tragedy what happened to them
It was already a shithole channel even before the cast shake up. Younger me was too naive to understand just how much of a loser key people in the company were, including the upper management.
As someone who also used to be a big fan of RT, I can highly recommend the podcasts that they have been making in the past 2 or 3 years. Most notable F**kface (with Geoff, Gavin and Andrew Panton) Face jam (with Michael and some others) and Red Web (with Alfredo and Trevor)
@@HydrophobicWater. They welcomed it and deserve it. Fuck RT, they got exactly what they wanted and deserved.
It's funny you say that Top Gear USA had no chemistry yet, they are still close mates to this day and still try to work and hang out with each other. Once they dropped the studio element and went to the each episode a challenge format it worked well.
Exactly. Absolute nonsense. The chemistry between Tanner, Adam, and Rutledge was apparent from day one
I have enjoyed WTF1's content for a long time, and Matt, Tommy and Katy are a big reason why that is the case. They were a charming, delightful trio that did a pretty good job of balancing the line between informing and entertaining. However, this new batch of presenters were essentially thrown to the wolves after the sudden announcement, and I think that was unfair on them because so far, they're doing a capable job of filling in a rather big hole. I think it's too early to say that the new hosting team will fail, as we're currently in pre-season - we'll see how they fare during the season itself and week-to-week coverage comes out. I decided to stick around as a subscriber and still support the channel, and I'll be doing the same when Matt and Tommy unveil their new project.
The fact that, before this video, I didn't even know TopGear continued after Hammond, Clarkson and May left probably says alot about what's going to happen to WTF1.
Same thing happened with the Cracked CZcams channel too. One day Cracked just decided out of the blue to shut down it's video production side of the business and fired everyone on the CZcams channel, including their main hosts Katie, Soren, Daniel and Michael.
The channel lay dormant for a couple of years, before Cracked suddenly decided to start making videos again one day, in a similar format as before but with completely different presenters. Their videos were getting millions of views with the old team, but now they're lucky if they get more than 100,000 views. They regularly get less than half that number.
It's a shame too, because Cracked After Hours was one of the best shows on CZcams. The 4 original presenters had a great chemistry and bounced off each other really well. One of them (Daniel O'Brien) actually went on to be a writer on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, and if you're an old-school Cracked viewer you can sense his presence behind some of the jokes John Oliver delivers, especially when the joke is pop culture or internet related.
"Joey from Friends" seriously caught me off guard :D
Great video. I've just subscribed because of it. Well done.
I highly doubt that theyre being forced out
I think the reality is that Mat and Tom decided to leave of their own accord, Alex Kersten did it with car throttle and WTF1 is owned by car throttle...
Mat and Tommy have looked at that and seen the success he had and decided theres no point in giving someone else the money for what you have created
Rocketpoweredmohawk became a good replacement for wtf1
Slightly different vibe one might say, but boy do I enjoy his rants
was waiting for this!
0:33 You know what that explains a lot, when I saw the new content right after their departure I expected it to be from the race and then was surprised when it turned out to be wtf1
Although I agree with the general rule of thumb I do feel things could go a bit different due to F1 insane growth. For every die hardcore FWTF1 fan there are a 100 new F1 fans who don't know the old hosts. But we'll just have to see. I do feel they'll have to redo the whole style of the channel, the podcasts and other creator driven video's will inevitable suffer a great deal quality and viewer wise. Hope the lads will be able to get an own channel running and do it all over again 👍
This video is perfectly timed what with Jeremy being axed again this time by Amazon Prime
Not surprised to be honest. I've really tuned out of the Grand Tour, only watch the special road trip episodes now. It's just more of the same. Some of the content on Drive Tribe with Hammond and May is actually more interesting.
Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up on GB News as he's such a lose cannon
Sweet. I didn't realise P1 existed 🙏thanks!
I always say it It's not the show or the format it's the people you fall in love with!
WTF1 was one of the best channels on F1 and carried hard by Mat. I hope he will go on and start his own thing.
He is actually starting a channel with Tommy : P1 with matt and tommy
@@bre4820 Thanks for the info. I can't wait for the season to start.
@@SCBiscuit13 no problem, me too!
The new crew are doing great in my opinion. But in my opinion, WTF1 is a channel made by fans for fans and having presenters that would be considered 'underqualified' (though I'd argue they're perfectly fine) gives that relatablity and a different feel to channels like Autosports or The Race's official YT channel. And that's where I think WTF1 differs from TopGear. TopGear was changing their formula from 'three bimbos that liked cars' to 'this is a car, this is why it's fast' but in the case of WTF1 it feels like a passion project with friends and still feels like a passion project with friends. So as long as that feel of it being a passion project between friends, WTF1 will flourish in the future. But Matt and Tommy will be dearly missed.
I only got into WTF1 this f1 year and i have binged so many videos and actually feel like i learnt something and was part of a community, I sincerely hope they both set up a new channel, but i understand financially that might be a struggle now
I would also like to see a final episode of the podcast explaining the departure and everything
P1 with Matt and Tommy - that's their new project.
I 100% agreed that Clarkson should have been fired. But I also 100% agree that Top Gear is now “just another car show” and not that lightning in a bottle the 3 hosts developed and that we all loved.
Think the difference is that Tom and Matt are probably joining something else or creating their own channel. Their dual exit was too slick to have been a change from the top, as you said, they were the reason a lot of people watched their channel. Matt has been doing the F1 E-Sports commentary and some other bits of work too, I can see Tommy being behind the scenes somewhere. We'll have to wait and see where they end up
They have a new channel now. Just search for "P1 with Matt & Tommy".
Ngl I think Matt is going to end up becoming the official F1 commentator
The very fact that both left out of nowhere, together and we're already set up with a new casts basically proves it was a decision from the top.
you channel': excellent man keep going
I gotta say, the staying power of top gear post trio this video showed in the chart was way stronger than I expected.
It’s cause they replay old episodes
This Is a quality video dude good work
It just happened again lol
Amazon is gonna fire Clarkson over his opinions of the Royal Family, and I have a strong feeling that the same cast members who left with him after Top Gear will leave with him once again after The Grand Tour
Just know this isn't over for the Trio!
At the moment they've said they aren't going to sign any new contracts with him. Given that there are at two more series of Clarkson's Farm, and 3-4 more TGT specials already contracted, that's years of content for us still. At the end of that they may do a u-turn and sign him on for more, or he may retire from television as he is getting on a bit now.
It takes years and luck for co hosts to have chemistry. Corporations will never understand this 😅 you can’t just fire oasis or foo fighters and hire new musicians 😅. One dude maybe!
I don't think it is a case of corporations not understanding it at all. After all, its not like they just appoint a random person to manage the show (well that would happen at times).
It is more them making a decision that they aren't willing to keep working with the hosts, like with Top Gear where the personal dispute was worth more to them, or the hosts wanting more than the company is willing to pay or more creative control etc and in all those cases they know they are taking a risk. BBC knew losing Clarkson, Hammond and May would very likely destroy the show. Or they could realise that firing hosts is a very big risk but they would rather make less income from the show from that loss than have higher expenses because of salary demands (this can end in the same profit so same thing).
As a person who watched WTF1 religiously...I won't be watching it anymore, but I don't imagine that's terribly surprising. Wherever the guys end up, I'll just go there.
Wow - great video. Perfect explanation
Did you know that Clarkon just got also fired from Amazon today?😢 Not again. Although again, there was a reason
What did he do this time?
@@nomar5spaulding he ripped Megan Markle a new one in an opinion piece in a British newspaper
It’s a shame that The Grand Tour might get canceled now…
For BS reason. I can't believe Amazon will cancel all of Jezza's show just because he said something mean in a newspaper about that egotistic Prince Diana wannabe.
@@Barni2212 For which he apparently apologized, too. But the woke crowd doesn't do second chances.
@@jordanfires9777 "consequences of his actions" does that mean everyone should get fired every time they disagree with a mob of weirdos on anything.
Not signing new contracts is not the same as firing.
We really putting Matt and Tommy in the same sentence as the Top Gear Trio? Lol.
It's crazy. As soon as I watched that goodbye video from wtf1, I instantly thought of Top Gear
Feel sorry for the new talent at WTF1. Already on the back foot and fighting a losing battle before they’ve even started. I’m happy to give them a chance, and it’s the company who should have to deal with the backlash, rather than the people who’ve said yes to an opportunity of a lifetime and one they’d be silly not to take, calling their ability into question before they’ve even started is unfair imo, especially when the frustration should be directed to decision makers. Hopefully they do well with it, but it’s likely the damage is done.
The first livestream on the twitch channel was a complete car crash. The new presenters were being burned alive by the audience. Felt bad for them, since they were not at fault and also couldn't do anything about it.
They deserve it. They shamefully accepted an already big yt channel. They should build their own audience.
half agree. The company hired them and should be responsible, but when when your credentials are "F1 influencer" and TikTok sensation hype bullshit, you can almost see it coming a mile away. There's no substance to all that crap, all surface level charm that feels empty almost immediately, all for clicks, much like The Race's channel has felt like for a while, and what WTF1's channel will feel like in short time.
I’m someone with a learning disability so when I joined the f1 world their videos were easily understandable. A lot of the things in the sport are overly complicated and they just explained it and we’re so funny and friendly.
The case with Jeremy Clarkson the BBC really had no choice. Physically assaulting someone is too far across the line for any TV company to be able to justify keeping him.
Unbelievable that WTF1 would change all its hosts. Katy, Tommy and Matt where a great combo and I loved the podcasts, even when my love for F1 vanished. What on earth were they thinking.
Videos like this don’t even give the new hosts a chance.
Tommy was the only good bit of the old crew. He has encyclopaedic knowledge of motorsports.
Dre and Ciaran are quality on the new one, haven’t seen much of the rest yet but I’m not writing them off without giving them a chance… like most people on the internet are right now….
I get it that people don’t like change but to write them off before they’ve even done much content is absurd.
I didn't go into detail about the new hosts as that isn't the point, it's more about companies trying to use the same show/channel and expecting the same healthy growth and views. My issue is with taking a very successful F1 channel and almost doing a hostile takeover of sorts.
The new hosts have been handed a channel with 1 million subscribers. Which is a hell of a result for them.
Matt was clearly the soul of WTF1, especially the short 4/5 minutes videos and the meme race reviews.
No one would argue that the combination of Clarkson, Hammond, and May made Top Gear what it was. Unfortunately Clarkson couldn’t get out of his own way and brought the whole thing down. Maybe I’m missing something but that doesn’t seem to be the case for WTF1 so the similarities in what happened to the two shows seem pretty superficial.
The thing about a CZcams channel, or even things like a livestream (where this sort of thing has also happened amazingly, E.G kizuna Ai) is that while people may start watching a channel for the content or the interesting thumbnail, those people *stay* watching thanks to the personalities of the presenters of that channel - no matter what it is.
Its not like TV, you dont have this show in this timeslot and thats what you get to watch. If I want to see F1 content, Ive got dozens of even hundreds of other channels where I can go watch F1 content. The same is true whether its F1, Minecraft, or even stuff like Knitting.
The reason I stay watching a channel is the people who present that channel and the way they make their content. No other reason. Any youtube channel without the people who I am going to that channel to watch are no longer part of it isnt worth watching, and ill go somewhere else.
"How to kill a youtube channel 101" is what I commented on their video before they even introduced the new guys.. it's sad
We’ll see how these new hosts do. I think a lot of people overlook how long it takes for a host to create a successful show. People often overlook that Clarkson was on Top Gear for 15 years before May and Hammond were brought on. Unfortunately or maybe fortunately people don’t get 15 years to figure things out in our modern media landscape.
What I don't think a lot of people realise is that with companies, once they got big on the back of well loved hosts, the backlash from transforming it into a soulless money printer is temporary, but the channel recognition stays. The uncritical mainstream pays a lot more and expects much less than actual fans.
Sadly, you're right...
According to someone close to Tommy. They were told by him that the higher up bosses wanted a diverse range of hosts to increase their esg score. That's what led to the downfall.
I mentioned jsut this thing in the WTF1 video where they announced everything. Corporations never seem to understand that it is the individual people that build the company and the brand. You can not separate the brand from the people and expect it to be the same, because they happen the use a same logo, name and colour pallette. But this again just proves, that corporates never value the people. For them the people are just cogs in the system and always replacable.
I also feel bad for Katy of WFT1 and I would hope that whatever Matt and Tommy does next, they would take Katy with them. The three of them had great chemistry and they had excellent balance between entertainment and information.
It’s very like the top gear situation where we ended up with two shows. One with the old format but with new hosts scrambling to get their spin on it, find their feet and build chemistry against a constant stream of negativity - and one hamstrung by trying to do the same stuff but not exactly. Neither as quite as good
Difference is top gear had already peaked and Clarkson had it coming
I think this is hard to judge without knowing the backstory. My first thought, was that perhaps Matt and Tommy priced themselves out, but that's just a wild guess based on them leaving not making a lot of sense.
But you are going to make random false judgements anyway. Dick move.
Here is the link for the new channel of Matt and Tommy:
youtube.com/@mattp1tommy
As a US fan Tommy and Matt where my go to when learning about the sport. Hard to see them but I'll just follow along haha