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I had no idea that the Pact unleashed a searing on Orr, that's pretty mind-blowing. Interesting that the cauldron could (potentially) tap into the power of an elder dragon right in the heart of one of its rivals' territory.
Also yes, I would LOVE for the focus to return to the orders, leaving the Pact as a sort of UN to allow the orders to co-operate directly again should the need arise.
the thing i like most about this series, so far, is that it helps me see gw2's lore in a different light. i've always enjoyed the story in gw2 but always felt like i was missing something, when i think that gw2 has nearly 10years of writing/story telling. this fills a bit of that missing something that i've always wanted in-game. 'a deeper look with wp' 'story time wit wp'
Some ideas for future random lore:
- Kuunavang related to the DSD
- Snaff backing up his mind inside Kralkatorrik
- The origin of Glint's egg, and who gave it to the zephyrites. It sounded like large and male, was it a dragon champion, was it a giant dwarf?
- The origin of communism within Dredge society.
- Owl spirit and the exodus of the Norn.
- Ventari's refuge's big tree and the last arising of Mordremoth.
- Lyvia, Anise, Minister Caudecus, the Mursaat, the eye of Janthir and the illuminati.
- Palawa Joko, Turai Ossa and the founding of the order of whispers.
- Trahearne and his early years in Orr, his alliance with the largos.
- Abaddon's intentions with Nightfall. Was it really about vengeance or was it about the dragons?
I hope some of this topics help you. Cheers :)
+Luis Sánchez Origin of communism: Daneil Dociu, his nation (Romania) suffered from communism back in the day.
from GW2 random NPC banters scattered around GW2 world it was only recently that Scholars found a record of GW1 Hero. However, this record has the GW1 Hero name damaged so they can't see the GW1 Hero's name.
More LORE!
These are awesome!
I hope the Pact survives, didn't go through countless hours of bugged missions in 2012 for them to die due to some overgrown game sprite. xD
If the devs are watching your videos for lore, you may have an impact on content that gets revealed. They may visit things that totally forgot about.
I personally find lore videos far more interesting than most other gameplay related videos. While I enjoy both, I would be so very happy if you made more lore videos. ESPECIALLY a recap of older theories in your previous episodes that may have newer information that has been revealed.
WP, for the first time in a long time I was truly happy to watch one of your videos in its entirety. I love GW2 lore and not enough people talk about it as well as you do. I missed your lore content and I am glad to you are bringing it back to some extent!
All of your videos where you talk about nothing but lore are my favorites, so keep it up! It's actually making me very nostalgic and wanting to get my GW1 mesmer out of the Crystal Desert. She's been stuck in ascension for a couple of years....
you forgot the cauldron lying around in south iron marches, there's an event there where a flame legion shaman tries to ignite it, and if you fail the event, the nearby camp is destroyed by a giant searing crystal.
+LegendaryMythril No that is the original searing the Charr used!
+WoodenPotatoes i thought they used a bunch of them? it certainly seems from the GW2 examples that a single cauldron wouldn't suffice to burn a whole nation like they did.
+LegendaryMythril i think they had all 3 in the first ascolon searing. which is probably why it's so destructive.
Edit: Nvm, they only had one forget it.
i remember selling her ashes, oh the memories. :D
You give so much depth to the game and your theories and summaries of past and present open so many different gate that you make playing the game so much richer. Thus the reason I watch everything you post. Thank you for all you do.
Why does Althea look SO much like Anise?
Can we focus just for a second on this? They both speak in a similar manner. Althea is a flower, same as Anise and the latter's strange fixation on Canach (calling him "blossom"), makes me a bit ... curious. Even though we see Althea's ghost in GW1, why is it purple and why does it look like a phantasm? The ascended trinket in GW2 called "Althea's Ashes" are purple too and tbh, I've never seen purple ashes myself.
Just a small thought, don't pay it too much mind :)
+Sephard Banks Also, they are both mesmers, and what color is commonly associated with mesmer magic?
Doesn't explain how she could be alive 250 years later, however Livia is confirmed to have lived almost that long, as her death was never confirmed after Sea of Sorrows. But then Livia was a necromancer and there were rumors floating around of using her magic to siphon youth from others. Interesting theory!
EDIT: Althea uses the same skin as Koro Sagewind, another mesmer, and this mesmer has had no death in the storyline whatsoever. She is confirmed to still be alive at the end of GW1.
Here's a Q&A question, or maybe just some mental food:
Are dragons "super effective" against each other?
1. Caladbolg was made by the pale tree, a minion of Mordremoth. It was the only weapon that could slay a certain lich.
2. The Searing Cauldron was potentially using Kralkatorik's power. It was very good against the undead.
3. The orb that prevents Zhaitan's corruption was found in bubbles' domain. Maybe it is bubble-powered?
The last point leads me to another question:
Are the dragons corruptions of the human gods?
If you considered Zhaitan to a corruption of Grenth and acknowledged the orb was powered by bubbles, you could conclude bubbles is the corruption of Dwayna. This makes some sense with the descriptions of how bubbles brought the water to life. The other dragons are also easy to assign gods to: Kralkatorik is Lyssa, Primordus is Balthazar, Mordremoth is Melandru, and Jormag is Abbadon/Kormir. The dragons never actually awoke in GW1, so the gods were always present, but after Primordus awoke, the human gods disappeared.
+Theitsybitsyspider That almost works to some extent, but the issue arises that all the human gods, and some of the dragons too, are actually assigned two or more themes. When these other themes get involved, it gets really hard to line up. Balthazar & Primordus seem pretty straightforward, but the others are a little more complex...
Grenth is the god of death/justice (justice being one of my favorite aspects to think of regarding Grenth) and *ice*.
Dwayna is the goddess of life and *air*.
Melandru is the goddess of nature and earth.
Lyssa is the goddess(es?) of the mind and beauty.
Abaddormir is the god(dess) of secrets/truth and *water*.
So the sort of issue is this: Grenth's themes are split between Zhaitan--of course--but also Jormag. We could possibly attribute life to Bubbles, like Dwayna, but Bubbles is also water, which is Abaddormir's turf. Mordremoth has been described as the dragon of the jungle and the *mind*, which means it actually bears themes of both Melandru and Lyssa. I've heard Kralkatorrik referred to as the dragon of the air, so although it's very aesthetically similar to Lyssa with all the purple crystal jazz, it would also bear a theme of Dwayna. I kind of wonder if also an argument could be made that Primordus is a dragon of secrets (Abbadon) as well as fire, being sort of "hidden" underground, and the mysteries surrounding the Tome of the Rubicon... but that's just my own speculation.
I just love these lore videos, that's one of the main reasons I love your channel so much.
Favorite GW2 channel imo. Keep at it WP !
i'd offer my soul to grenth to have you continue the lore series. it was absolutely amazing
Hey WP Eve's skull is called Adam, its also an exotic weapon in GW2 ;) these videos are very fun keep em coming!
Please do more of these videos. Even if they are hours upon hours long, I would watch all of them start to finish.
I really enjoy these lore videos! They get my mind racing about all kinds of possibilities where the game could take us. And that bit about Althea? So cool!! It never crossed my mind before but absolutely makes sense now that I think of it.
love these videos wp, I have played through the entire story that is available for gw2 and there is so much to easily miss and not think about too much that you bring up
I LOVE these videos! Really hope you do more lore videos.
Absolutely loved the video WP, looking forward to more!
Love the random lore! Keep it up.
Please do more of these. I really enjoy these lore videos.
And not only the artifacts, but think about Orr! I've always thought about who will claim Orr after it has been fully cleansed, and the Pact is the only reasonable answer, otherwise the human and the charr would fight again for it. But if the Pact gets destroyed, what will happen to Orr? Which order will claim ownership of it? The three have great, valid reasons to want it (even though, as science guy, I'd vote for the Priory), and the human and the charr might not accept the now broken pact to have it.
But in truth, I don't think the orders will break apart and become so opposed to one another. The Pact proved what they could do together, and any specific order was at fault at the failure of the attack. It might be tricky to find a new leader if Trahearne does get corrupted and eventually killed, but I really can't see them breaking appart.
I'm not really a fanboy of any order but I'd say that the order of whisper would easily dominate any conflict between the pacts. They would (or rather already have) just infiltrate the other pacts and kill all their leaders if they have to.
the order of whispers is also the only people that still have acces to elona. they might just use that to their advantage
Yay! More Random Lore! I like these videos! A very cool idea to think about what would happen if the Pact were to fall. I also kind of am hoping for that as I think it would make things more interesting for you as the player character with Destiny's Edge 2.0
I rreeally love these vids WP! I hope you keep them going :D
Am I missing something with the Magdear? We never actually saw it since AC, Rytlock doesn't have it in season 2, he uses Sothodin and the crown of Ascalon to do his ritual.
I love these videos, and I would love to see a variety of them for Random Dungeon Lore. The skip meta is so strong that I don't think I've even seen a fourth of the cutscenes that happen in dungeons, despite having completed all of them. I hear you refer to Arah explorable every now and then, and I have absolutely no idea what actually happens there, aside from "there is a Bloodstone". I would love to find a good resource for that particular pile of lore, and WP tends to be the best resource for exactly that kind of thing.
I love these videos!! Is why I play gw2 is for the story, the characters and the lore! It's so engaging and I love these videos as I didn't play gw1 so I don't know these stories and how it connects. Great job wp!!!
Yesss I love these series so much! keep it up! ;D
I would love to see more of the series :)
I may have misheard, but at 4:13 it sounds like you call Eve's skull Aidan not Adam!
+Action Sloth Yeah, it sounds like it, but I think it's just 'cause WP has a weird way of pronouncing some things...
... Just re-listened to it; yeah, it definitely sounds more like Aidan than Adam... Oh well.
+Action Sloth Yep most assuredly what he said :P Silly potatoes
+Jamie Milligan Silly potatoes indeed
+Action Sloth Urgh, why do we even listen to this guy?? I heard he has weird eyebrows too. Don't worry, he never reads his comments.
Oooooooh. How could I live 3 years without knowing that this is the lore behind this focus? I need to buy it O___O
These are my favorite vids, WP.
This random lore series is pretty awesome. How much content do you have to keep this up, because I want more.
More more! Your lore vids are god-like!
I really like the lore discussions and theories! I had never much thought about the impact of the pact on the gameplay, but I do agree that more needs to be done to highlight the three orders.
It was such a good idea, having the three orders, that were meant to work together, but also tend to be quite antagonistic towards each other. I would have liked far more order things to do in the personal story, or at least for the pact stuff to be heavily influenced by your order. Like if you were from the Order of Whispers, there would be a far greater wealth of options for doing things that way, rather than the brute force of the vigil etc.
If the pact was destroyed or disbanded back into the three orders, I would really love to see you going out to rebuild the strength of your order, both in terms of people but also in terms of the goals of the order you joined. Each order has its strengths, and if the pact was defeated or disbanded through circumstance, then each order would need to regroup and refocus. I would still want them working together, but refocused on giving a far better showing of their personal strengths. It would be a way for GW2 to really bring the orders depth and meaning in the expansion and beyond.
Bring back Tree Huggers and Turtle Waxers smack talk.
Was always fun to do that, never was there any serious toxicity against each other with Kurzick and Luxon smack talk.
I enjoy your lore videos a lot, it makes me hope they do a good job with the story in HOT.
Whispers for life, all artifacts belong in to the whispers where they can be protected and used when appropriate not just to fight the dragon or for the advancement of knowledge, Forbidden and not. The Whispers is the only organization capable of looking 10 moves ahead! Also they have all the other orders infiltrated pretty heavily so, theirs that.
Love these !!
I actually think the "generic Warrior" used in character select screen is actually a character on some box art and trailers in foreign countries. He was kind of a counterpart to Devona, but I remember his name.
My guess as to where all the artifacts would fall is that either the priory would take them (they even took zhaitans tail) or that the order of whispers would control it.
love it. And if it even takes little to prp its a win win :D
Rytlock only took Sohothin, not Magdaer
+Zyracksis Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Magdaer hasn't even been talked about since Eir took it to be "fixed".
I LOVE THESE
After watching the stream this morning and this video now, I heard the kormir section as a chipmunk.
When you started talking about Althea, I actually thought maybe you were building up to a change in speculation, wherein Rytlock channels *her* rather than Rurik to cleanse the Foefire. She was, as you mentioned, a blood heir to the Ascalonian throne, while Rurik was only heir by Adelbern's election. So is the Foefire cleansed by the heir to the one who committed it, or by the heir of the true royal line? That is the question. If the Foefire can be activated by any shmuck who wields the sword, but still only cleansed by a true royal heir, then it seems in fact we're not looking for Rurik, but for... Althea.
Good thing I still have a load of her ashes I never managed to sell off in Piken Square. xD
+Valgrian Pretty sure they are both of Doric's bloodline. So Rurik could definitely be considered "the rightful king". Also in all truth, there is nothing to my knowledge that states that the "rightful king" has to be of Doric's line. Could be wrong though.
+ShinyFearghus Yeah, you're right on that--just looked it up again. Though Barradin was technically the next in line for the throne, Adelbern was also descended from Doric. Though technically, the possibility remains that perhaps Althea could also be able to lift the curse.
As for whether or not it really has to be someone of Doric's line, I guess that might have to do with the nature of the magic behind it... Was it somehow bound to the Ascalonian king's line when the swords were gifted to him? Or is it broader than that, perhaps even to consider a *Charr* ruler to be the "rightful king" since it was formerly Charr land?
If it's the former, then the question of Rurik's eligibility actually rises again; at what point did the line of Doric split between Barradin's family and Adelbern's? If they're simply cousins, then perhaps the swords were gifted and "bound" to a common ancestor--grandfather or great-grandfather. But if their lines diverged beforehand, then perhaps the magic would be bound to Barradin's line and not Adelbern's, even though they're both of Doric's line. Or did the magic simply bind to Doric's line in general, as Queen Jennah, a Krytan, is suspected to be able to lift the curse?
Otherwise, the Charr better get their act together and figure out their Khan-Ur situation.
But really, I'm not sure I know enough about the complexities of the situation (been leaning on the wiki for a lot of this); it's all ultimately speculation on my part.
+Valgrian actually ascalon was originally grawl land the charr took from them. therefore only a grawl can cleanse the foefire ^^
+sylvnfox Oh crap. Guess I'd better stop killing Badazar's champion...
Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!! YIIIIISSSSHHH!! Another lore video!
GW2 CoW! Please let this happen!
enjoyed a lot!
Two small mistakes. Near the end of the video you said that we know of a cauldron that was used to bring down the Foefire - of course you meant the Searing. More imporantly though, since you already mentioned this yesterday on the stream a few times: I don't remember Rytlock ever getting Magdaer. He attempted the cleansing ritual with Sohothin while wearing Adelbern's crown, and he jumped after the sword specifically because Sohothin was to his knowledge (with Magdaer being destroyed) the only sword capable of cleansing Ascalon.
Please do more of these... I don't think anyone on here will mind :)
cool vid as always :)
Easy fix to the Pact being dissolved: everyone gets a piece of property, like a divorce. Vigil gets the smiths, Priory gets the Cauldron, and Whispers get the orb.
I liked the discussion about the character creation models, I hope you touch on the Ritualist/Paragon/Dervish(?), as they're all rather generic models as far as I can remember. The assassin was Nika, and I assumed the Mesmer was a random character, I was surprised it was Althea.
+Charlie Maletich I still think keeping the Orb may be a good idea since I think it is dragging Bubbles into Tyria. We don't know the origins of the orb except it was found from the Deep Sea which is the location where Bubbles awoke.
+Charlie Maletich Not generic. Assassin's avatar is Nikka, one of the henchmen in Canthan campaign. The ritualist - unknown.
Althea's ashes quest was equally tragic and difficult :( I did it at least ten times with my lvl 8 elementalist and those weak henchmen. Good times.
I would have thought Mallyx, Shiro, Rurik and the others would be desperate for Revenants to channel them and give them influence over the world again!
Trahearne turning to Mordremoth would be a nail in the Pacts coffin. If he doesnt stand aside or down it could drive a wedge between the races and between the orders. Or maybe thats the plan ;p
It would be cool if in the new story the durmand priory, (the people I think would be most likely to have the searing cauldron) would, in a panic try to call a searing down on the grove.
MOAR RANDOM LORE! ERMAGAWWD SOOOO GOOODDDD!
I would love to see the 3 orders competing (maybe in raids that would allow 3 parties each containing players from a certain order) and those players would not be exactly allies -instead they could compete to be the first to secure certain artifacts or kill certain bosses etc
(and since probably people would want rewards @ this -there could be order vendors that would unlock better loot tiers when their players do better -similar to silverwastes Or they could have exclusive order skins as loot etc -also give ppl a reason to hang out in their order base).
I always assumed Gwen was the iconic mesmer even when we didnt know which proffesion she would be
Funny story, I just came back to GW2 about a week ago after not having played for like 2 years due to various reasons. I was wondering who this Barradin dude was on my contacts, now I remember lol.
Hey @WoodenPotatoes, Q&A question, very likely the new maps/region will have its own PvP reward track. What do you think will be in there? And what would you like to be in there? Are there any hints at weapon/armor skins in those new areas and do you think they will be integrated into the PvP reward track?
I love the LORE!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE MORE MORE :)
It would be cool if Rytlock could channel king doric, the original king of humanity.
Name suggestions:
Lore RNG
Mystic Lore
Loremmoros
Just some idea off the top of my head.
You know Rurik might not be the actual heir though. Sure he is a person I can see becoming a revenant legend, but he was not of that blood. That's why he was going to marry Althea. So perhaps Rytlock will try to get Rurik to lift the Foefire and Rurik will say he can't do it. This begs the question, who then? Perhaps it could be a charr after all (not a fan of this one), perhaps something else on Althea, or perhaps we might try to capture and control the ghost of Duke Barradin, or maybe there is another heir.
Whether the Pact stays or goes doesn't really matter - it's hard to feel invested in any of the Orders owing to the accelerated nature of our promotions and the Pact creation. What I think would be interesting storywise is if the player character had his/her ranks stripped (not only from the Pact but the initial Orders) that way we could reboot our ties. We would have to start from scratch and work our way back in. Then, I think that seeing as they are adding Mastery lines there should be Order specific lines - tracks that can only be fulfilled through Order specific missions - and once we pick our Order again, we are stuck with it. The progress along the line could start with really basic gathering missions and progressively get harder. What's important though is that we'd actually feel like we earned our rank. Give us a displayable title, maybe something cosmetic (like new armour sets based on rank), maybe some kind of buff if we have players of the same Order in our group - something that sets us apart.
This is premised on a darker storyline for HoT: perhaps a secretly corrupted Traherne in charge of the Pact or (paralleling the original Destiny's Edge - having a decision result in the death of one of the original group or 2.0. Something that puts the player character in a position where we have to earn respect again. This series has so much potential, I wish there was a way that the community could help create content.
I think that a good way to bring the orders back to the forefront (and solve a major problem with the game right now) is to remove servers from WvW and make guild ally with the orders. This would mean that WvW becomes more a training ground for friendly combat between the orders of tyria while creating a solution to the coverage/population issues with WvW. It would work similar to the alliance system from GW1. The biggest issue I would see is that in GW2 we can multi-guild. This would create some significant issues with such a model which they would have to address.
Great vid WP, but I had an observation actually, so in the latest BWE didn't Rytlock actually say that he was searching for Destiny's Edge, mainly Logan, Eir, Zojja, but couldn't find them? If that's true then Rytlock was possibly in the jungle before that story step in which we enter and he just teleported to us... maybe :D Also WP this new series is really good and I saw a post on twitter about needing a name! Couldn't think of anything then, but I think I have something to propose now: Hearth of Lore!
I always took Gwen to be the 6th member. She's a mesmer, and she's from Ascalon. I figured it worked.
We don't really know where Rytlock reappeared from the mists though, do we? I'm pretty sure that I recall him saying in the beta that he had already been out looking for Destiny's Edge when we met him, so he must have returned earlier when we didn't witness it :P
Oooo also WP. I'll throw this out: rurik isn't technically a true king. That would have been barradin, and then jennah of course is a queen, but isn't the duke of ebonhawk also a descendent of Doric? Maybe he will wield the swords. Also maybe the wedding there isn't for Marjory and kasmeer, but possibly for the rulers of DR and ebonhawk...?
I think that the pact will always exist in some way in fort trinity even with out trahern or if it's incredible weakened
i hope arenanet opens the crystal deserts fast, it was my favorite part of kryta in gw1!
more lore please
But in the screen it has some random warrior instead of Devona and Reyna as the ranger and not Aidan?
Your Thief makes me wish I rolled a Charr thief... but whatever I like my Meta Barbie teef.
but images for Devona and Aidan are not in character creation screen, instead its some random people
Hold on, Wooden Potatoes. Addledburn might recognize Rurik as his rightful heir, but why would you be so certain the magic cares about what the user thinks? Isn't it more likely a rightful heir means a descendent of Dorik, which as you just said Rurik was not? The foefire could still feasibly be ended in the future, but isn't it more likely to involve Queen Jennah or whoever winds up showing in that locket? Again, a relic of the line of Doric, I doubt its magic is actually tied to a specific human kingdom.
I personally never chose the Priory because I hated Lonar's Pass. Now I regret it because I think the Priory line would have made things make a lot more sense to me.
I wanna find out about the scepter of orr !
How cool would it be for Anet to pull a Harvey Dent (Batman: The Dark Knight) with Traehern. All hope seems lost, Traehern turns and the Pact is destroyed but only the player character finds out about Traehern's betrayal and having succumb to Mordremoth. So in being given a choice, the player can choose to spread a "white lie" about Traehern's noble sacrifice.
+FatalFist Trahearne wasn't the plant we needed, but the plant we deserved.
i like those lore videos, remind me of old ones you did like.... where the hell are the gargoyles ??? ehehehe
Yeah, Devona and Aidan aren't on the character creation screen.
Also, did we ever find out who the Ritualist, Paragon and Dervish were? They were obviously used all over the promotion of Factions and Nightfall, but I can't remember them ever being seen. (The Assassin is Nika or Vizu, don't remember which)
+TalysAlankil the Ritualist was the NPC we see in the Faction Cinematic and the Paragon and Dervish were just the default look they had for the Nightfall trailer.
+orrthehunter Well, yes, I know that, but I wondered if they were actual minor characters.
Trahearne is getting mordremized. I can guarantee it.
would have been great if you can change our classes into a revenant. just like Rytlock, a warrior gets mentored to be a revenant
Hey WP, if a group like Shoddycast would create a series on guild wars lore, like the one they did on Fallout, Skyrim, Dragon Age and The Witcher, would you work with them? And if they create a character like the Storyteller would you voice him? If not who do you think would be the best to voice him?
Story time with WP is the best time.
More please
I get the feeling that the legends you channel are bound and exploited outside of their will. One of Shiro's quotes when you swap to him is enraged, shouting at you to release him.
Videos like this make me wish you would work for anet
Skull was named Adam (as in Adam and Eve... get it?) not Aidan (that was the ranger) {4:11}
Althea carried a shield. Original chronomancer!. eve's pet skull is called adam (obviously) , not aiden :) a simple slip I'm sure.
something which have been bothering me for a while now is that there are 6 elder dragons... and not 7, which is a magical numbers in most western story-telling.
what is however fitting is that each dragons so far is related to a specific playable race;
zhaitan = human
primordius = asuran
jormag = norn
Kralkatorrik = charr
mordremoth = sylvari
deep sea dragon = tengu
yes, tengu isn't a playable race yet but everything points towards it, however I think we might be able to play them once the deep sea dragon is revealed.
soo, maybe in the far far future we might get a 7th dragon, to complete the set, this could either be a future playable race or more interestingly ( i think) it could be the ultimate dragon which all races has to truly face together. and could be the final to the elder dragon story.
Well, there IS a bit of Racial banter between players in GW2 from time to time. I usually like to call out a Race and say Asura are superior (which they are, can't argue with facts) and the responses are pretty hilarious. It's funny to see how quickly people go from casually talking about stuff while waiting for a Boss to spawn to defending the honour of their preferred race and actually getting into character.
i hope they let us feed the cows again in Gw2:Cow
I believe the generic warrior was Stefan, not sure what generic ranger was, I bet she was somewhere though.
Not really familiar with any Guild Wars fan effort names, but maybe this could be named something in the same vein as a play on the "Black Lion Box" or something - it's a mixed bag of lore.