Simon Jordan CLASHES With Stefan Borson Over Chelsea's New FFP 'Loophole' đ±đ„
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 15. 05. 2024
- Simon Jordan and Jim White were joined by Stefan Borson to discuss the latest on Chelsea's FFP situation.
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Chelsea found another one lmfao. That club is a different breed man, I swear. đ
True say.. đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł Bohley is finding "Loopholes" more that Rat! !! đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ
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this is what Mel Morris done with us but he sold Pride Park to another 1 of his businesses. watch out Chelsea
@@deansteele8865 he over valued it. The cost of the hotel is correct for its location plus profit
@@deansteele8865what exactly should we watch out for? The fans own the stadium not the club.
There's a reason why Behdad Eghbali manages $75 billion in assets under management and this bloke is still on TalkSportđ
He even outsmarted this guy that is gobby on Twitter. Very impressive
Exactly what I thought when I heard him. He is not a business man.
Jim and Jordan are not experts they are just a couple of opinionated blokes on a talk show.
Yeah thatâs why Charles Ponzi never went to prison, the fact that he managed so much money proved that he was following the rules and smarter than all the dirty poors who dared investigate him
Chelsea are rotten from their fans, to their players and to their owners. Theyâre the love child of North Korea and Germany in the 1940s
đ...Loopholes are legal. FFP should have better lawyers.
This guy is a cockwomble
not always, the premier league can reject the transaction, did you watch the video?
â@user-vu8mt3ye9e hes not a lawyer..they can't
â@@user-vu8mt3ye9eonly if it's not fair market value.
@@user-vu8mt3ye9e other clubs done it years ago in the lower divisions then they closed the loophole but not for the prem
Breaking news: Stefan Borson and Simon Jordan didnât clash on TalkSport about Chelsea
Yet another Clickbait title from TS, No CLASH at all in fact they pretty much agreed with each other.
Usual talksport bs
Right?!? "Good point! Great idea! You are correct!" The world has gone mad!
I know it seems minor, but it shouldnât be allowed. Utter rubbish
@@jm5gaming484 These things are "self-regulating." Meaning that repeated controversial titles/content/etc. leads to more people unsubscribing, which leads to less engagement, etc. In other words, the only way YOU can participate in regulating is by down voting and unsubscribing.
I know, it's all a big joke.
They only have like 4 premade titles they just drop names into
What's embarrassing is talkSPORT, worth tens of millions, can't upload a video that doesn't have sound issues.
1:23 prob-b-b-bably
Tens of millions đ
oh get over yourself already. Big F***ing deal.
@@kernowchris very nice of you to defend a corporation for free. you should charge talkSPORT some money for your services.
â@@sgjr9505I thought the beat was about to drop.
Just think if this was Newcastles Saudi owners. Would be the top story on SkySports. I dont blame Chelsea but I despise the hypocrisy of the media.
I doubt it, not like City's rule breaking is highlighted that much
@@MrAdamc81 It would be because the prem and the corrupt 6 scrutinise everything newcastle do to try and stop us from competing with them.
Nah the media hate Newcastle more
Stefan reminds me of a Hobbit from lord of the rings
Dildo?
Yes đđđ 1000% feels good to know Iâm not the only one that thought it!
He's a Sackville-Baggins
đâ@@nairblooc
Martin Freemanâs twin
A club's most important people
1. Finance Director
2. Director of Football
3. Kit man
Can't play without a kit đ€·ââïž
@@GamerFriscotechnically you can
And lawyers who can find the loopholes
number one is having the most stupid fans who allows their club and culture to be sold to whoever waves some cash
â@Cedisdead exactly, these guys are bragging about losing asets...when the club is sold, it won't be with these hotels. Equity firms rip value and soul out of institutions ...
This guy was fear mongering for months. Bohley has the last laugh, again!
firmly in midtable again after spending a billion pounds is hilarious, you're right.
Get a grip, son.
â@riccidolan how much did they get from player sales? Over 300m. How many players they've bought that have barely played. Fofana, lavia, nkunku.
@@franciscunningham1939
What difference does that make?
You have still blasted over a billion and have been mid table for 2 years.
@@user-tr2kz2js6y well ye it actually does make a difference. Assets sold need to be replaced.
Every day this Man city man will come here to discuss Chelsea
Boehly absolutely putting this "FFP Expert" in his place. Theres levels to this.
How?
how?
Spending over a billion on largely terrible players on 8 year contracts. Levels.
@@james_44 get a grip, there`s far far more to it than that, but perspective and joined up thinking isnt your forte , `terrible players ?????? palmer = terrible ??????? If i was you i`d actually THINK (if your able to) before commenting.
@@harryevans1347 Very good, Palmer was good, he cost ÂŁ40m. So, as for the other billion, who is good from that lot?
The Boehly era has been nothing short of a disaster. Long may it continue...
Loopholes aside, Stefan has the biggest ears I have ever seen.
I canât unsee them now!!
All I see is a talking set of ears đ€Šđ»ââïž
Two of the loopholes
His ears are loopholes đ
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I'm so bored of FFP, they should have capped players salaries 25 years ago when they started going crazy.
Why cap player salaries? All that does is increase revenue for billionaires. Why is that good?
@@russellward4624 That isn't true at all, the inflation of prices including tickets, tv packages, football boots shirts etc is all down to player salaries. I used to pay ÂŁ3 to go to a Middlesbrough game as a 16 year old. No footballer needs to be earning ÂŁ10m a year.
@@capio78 Those two things are not connected. Look at NFL.
I'd rather the money goes to the players than the owners. It will end up like the nfl a money maker for the billionaires
I agree, its a feeding frenzy of greed that has zero to do with the maintaining the integrity of the game, fans.
This Borson robot is glitching the hell out trying to mentally juggle how Chelsea have got away with it
While defending city every chance he gets. When it's chelsea, they must have done something wrong and its against spirit of game. When it comes to city there was no chance of such fraud in his opinion đ He is bought and paid for mate.
â@@dewiwilliams4821clearly you're clueless
@dylanb.117 if you say so mate. You think he is embarrassing himself for free?
They havenât, itâs not been approved and theyâve included it in their profits, they are fucked
Talksport mods must have deleted my original reply đ
How can a so-called FFP expert not even know his own rulesđđđ€ŠđŸââïžđ€ŠđŸââïž.
What a mindless comment
He's a clown isn't he
What did he not know? This information has only just come to light.
@@environm3ntalist549 It was reported that unlike the EFL and UEFA, the Premier League doesnât have a rule against this, so if he knew that he wouldâve waited before saying the only thing Chelsea can do is sell players before the 30th of June.
Now that this has come to light, when he got asked in the video if Chelsea are still in trouble, he literally said âLetâs seeâ.
Canât say that this is a surprise though because he always gets defensive when asked about Man city, so heâs clearly biased.
He's a neek, just one look at him and his name is stefan borson, ninjas should know what time it is.
This fella is a city fan. Iâd like to see him cover the city case with the same energy he has for Everton, forest and ChelseaâŠ..
No he's not!! He worked for them as an advisor for a short time, so what.
They already made a bunch of videos on that. I suggest you go watch them
He has, he's said numerous times that there will be serious sanctions if City are found guilty. You can't just look at City's accounts and find it though. City's accounts are fine for FFP/PSR. It's fraud that is being alleged which is much harder for any expert to go through as there is no legal public evidence.
He's written loads of articles and spoken about it on here if you're interested
Get with it he's covered the life out of ffp catch yourself on
And everyone knocked Ken Bates for building our two hotelsâŠnice one Ken
Where was the clash? It seemed like a pretty nice conversation...
My thoughts exactly. I think talksport headlines are ai generated and clash is a must have word
Its on the dvd release tomorrow.. under ââdeleted sceneââ
@@jonnytaylor9852theyâre not ai generated they just try to click bait us lol.
Expectation: Throwing punches across the table, effing and blinding.
Reality: Calm conversation where they occasionally interrupt one another, but ultimately end up in agreement.
What the F is up with 5 bots commenting utter tripe within a minute of the video going live...
TalkSport post frequently and regularly, so its easy to set up the posts. They might just be training their software as don't seem to be selling anything, yet.
At least they didn't say first
Just wait until you see the bot conversation threads trying to tell us how great and life-changing some random product is. I saw one before with 23 different bots all talking to eachother LOL.
@robdolman2256 Initially a combination of phishing, to identify potential marks for scams, but also probably to cultivate a following to then sell the channels.
They're meant to be obvious scams because the people who don't see that they are tend to be the exact people who will fall for scams, similar to purposefully misspelled emails from (insert random African country)'s kings.
â@@Behold__Optic_Blast You seen the crypto ones that are like that? They're comical...đ€Ł
FFP isn't designed for the big clubs, just a smokescreen
Not really, the big clubs just have (very few) non-sporting assets that they can leverage... this buys Chelsea the year that has just gone. You can't sell it twice.
Building this stuff is exactly what FFP is incentivising the not big clubs to do. They need their own revenue streams.
@@edmanning274Until I see any type of sanctons for Man City then I'll believe they're serious. It's impossible to have 115+ breaches and be guilty of nothing
@@user-mv7kh5sv9z totally agree. But city are in a different fight, thatâs about fraud rather than overspending.
â@edmanning274 FFP is created to keep the big clubs the biggest. Same way the tax system is made to keep the rich stay on top.
â@@user-mv7kh5sv9zsanctions for what? What's the evidence? All you're saying is the whole point of ffp is to get rid of City no matter what.
Where was the clash!? đ€Ł
Save your tears for our next loophole đ
This fella wakes up in cold sweats over Boehlyâs loopholes đđ
Talksport still havent realised the robotic voices on their videos
This mean our owners could sell the area right next to St James Park they bought
Yep.
How much has it increased in value? You need comparable sales to justify it...can't compare property prices in the North East to London.
yeah but how much is land in Newcastle worth compared to London? Probably be able to buy that land next to St james for ÂŁ50k.
You just know they will change the rules just for Newcastle
@@raquille1muppet
Question,: was Borson employed at City when they violated FFP. Is this sorta the fox in the hen house?
He's never been employed by City. He was involved in a negotiation to sell the club back in 2007, which Shinawatra ended up buying. He answers this on X quite regularly.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it must be baked into your thinking.
Love when Jim flings in wee comments like iv been to both hotels lol. Who with Jim?
Where was the clash?
Whatâs wrong with the video and sound?
Can you sort out the audio? My god
Thatâs ridiculous..so letâs sell a player to ourselves and say we didnât violate the PSR rulesâŠ
So can the Newcastle owners start flipping properties under Newcastle on the side.
I don't know what's worse for football, FFP or VAR
Its all shite.
Spirit of the rules?
Funniest phrase ever when you mention it in reference to ffp.
Stefan Chelsea might break ffp in 33/34 you helmet đ€Šđ»ââïž
Some clash that lads!
Simple fix. Wage caps and transfer caps. Demand UEFA implement both across all European leagues in order to participate
Stefan Borson is an asbsolute spoofer and chancer extraordinaire. You can see why City got rid
He's never worked for City. He is an expert, its quite clearly a loophole that shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise I guarantee you, Newcastle will 'sell' their training ground for 'ÂŁ1bn'. This summer.
@@georgeyboy5256 Is the fair market value for it ÂŁ1b? No it isn't, so lay off the hyperbole. It's a loophole that doesn't exist in the EFL. Premier League is a different story. End of.
@@georgeyboy5256 Not the same though is it. Chelseas hotels are sold for a fair price. They're in the rich area of London ffs. Newcastles training ground isn't anywhere close to being worth 1 billion. I dont understand how some of you people are missing very important pieces of context. You can't possibly be this stupid.
Ah, good to see Bilbo Baggins is still getting his airtime.
When business sense meets punditry! Pundits get clueless but still claim they're right
chelsea is a bit ahead of the premier league with the hotels and 8 year contracts
selling properties has always been allowed under FFP, what is not allowed is selling them for more than they are worth and that value needs approving and could be challenged
But they can just values from
A couple separate companies & make it worth what they saying as itâs a property is a rich part of London
Are the current house prices in the UK worth what they're being paid for?
It's all a facade. It's only worth what the buyer is willing to pay. â@@djrobst
@@djrobst who decides what something is worth, the premier league are valuing how much sponsors can pay that means there in control of clubs earnings
Still won't be able to play in Europe đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Chelsea do no wrong in working around ffp . let it go Borson .
Their should be a rule that these owners cannot sell of buildings and certain assets of the club... i.e training grounds,stadiums etc that belongs to the clubs!
Then newcastle should do this
Curious if the delay is maybe tied to the agreement Boehly and Co made preventing them from selling Chelsea for a set period of time ? Also unbelievably poor from the PL if they couldn't anticipate related party sales or in fact the other valuation issues football has had of late like the pjanic and arthur swap deal .
It wasn't 100 million that Real Madrid sold their piece of land for Simon it was 500 million
@johnhopkinson4054......Yes, and if I remember correctly, it was the 'local' government [Madrid] that bought it - amid vehement accusations that it was clearly doing so to bail out Real Madrid.
I have never forgiven RM for this - I had always respected and admired this revered club and its wonderful history, but that all stopped when they basically cheated to stay in business.
I can see everton getting a points deduction off the back of this.
Wow. What a clash.
Where was this clash? Not here.
1:03 Simons cheshire cat smile
And cue the torrent of clubs selling everything they own to themselves. Marinakis should sell The City Ground to his shipping company for ÂŁ500m .
Unfortunately, Forest donât own the City GroundâŠ.thats the problem. Marinakis wants to buy it but the council wonât sell or extend the lease. Marinakis is currently buying several buildings and land in and around Nottingham so has more bargaining power đđ»
Don't hate the player, hate the game...
There's only so many times they can play this trick... Rules will change before they're caught out properly
The look on Jim's face when Borson talks about Chelsea tells you all his feelings about that club. đ
They desperate for the club to fail.
Good for Chelsea. FFP is killing football. Imagine being forced to sell home grown players to keep the peace. Makes no sense. Demonizing the wrong entities. Good for Chelsea
Cant argue if it's within the rules, just clever accounting
"Clash đ±đ„" ok talksport
My favorite part was where they clashed.
I can barely work out my payslip every week how people deal with this week to week lol
I detest Cheatski with a passion...
But this move has made me laugh...
In one move they have made a mockery and laughing stock of the PL and in this very same move they have just obliterated the notions of FPS actually being a thing..
Haha... The PL are fools and Cheatski have just proven it...
FFP is designed to limit smaller clubs and prevent the hegemony of the big clubs being threatened. It's no surprise that the Big Six are immune from meaningful consequence while other clubs lose points. That's the entire point of it.
Did I miss the clash?
Somewhere there is a football match being played. Remember that, Football?!
Disagree if a club owned a 100-acre site, leased it out, built on it, then sold it between legal entities, it was above board. Colloquial feelings aside.
No wonder Man City binned him as their Financial Advisor, he wanted to serve two masters at the same time.
You are clueless
@@dylanb.117 115
"Clever accountancy" when it's Chelsea but a "serious breach" when it's Everton! Utterly pathetic.
23/24
80m player sales (mount)
80m less in wages
24/25
Hall 28m, maatsen 35m pure profit, lukaku (break even) 40m, kepa (break even) 10m
Broja 15m, trevoh 25m (pure profit), conor 35m
Wages are lower, next year 25/26 they will sell santos, d
Fofana, angelo, some youth players.. and have cwc another 60m
Roman has done this 15 years, and people are still surprised??
Sold the assets but kept the income stream - sounds like it can be challenged on the basis of an "arm's length transaction", or whether the fair market value is justified if the buyer's sold the income rights. Just like in F1, these FFP rules will end up with who's got the best accounting team
Simon Jordan is like David Brent in that training episode telling the trainer he's right and talking over him, can't handle a money expert being more of an expert in the room
150 mil more on the way with the sales of Maasten, Lukaku, Ziyech, Gallagher, Kepa, Sterling đ€Ł
so if the rule book says they have to get approval in 10 days and haven't why haven't they been charged with breaking premier league rules? the biggest issue with all this inc the Everton situation etc seems to be a consistency of approach.
They charged Everton because they (the PL) want them gone. Simple as that. Different rules for different clubs.
Chelsea big trouble Man City absolutely fine đ
Where was the clash bw the 2 guys???
Its called " Clickbait "
What a discrace if this is allowed to happen!
Chelsea following the Man City Rule book on how to keep avoiding charges
Where is the rules Mr account? The Chelsea witch-hunt continues
I really like the way stefan made it simple to understand FFP finance for those who dont have finance knowledge.
Steffan knows everyone businessâŠâŠâŠincluding Chelsea đ
Still waiting for the part where they âclashâ đ
I wouldn't call this a clash đ
I think this transaction is fine. The properties are valued at that price ÂŁ77 mil. The club's value will lower now they aren't on the books anymore. If they sold the property anywhere else they'd get ÂŁ77 mil. They have transferred ownership rights at market value to a different company even if that company has the same owners . What would be worse if they transferred the ownership for ÂŁ0 as that is devaluing the club for free. If they ever come to sell the club, the club is now valued ÂŁ77mill less and the company that owns the property is now valued ÂŁ77 mil more.
Hats off to Boehly, the guy is a genius! đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Whatâs embarrassing is how yâall sit there talking about Chelsea but fail to mention man city 115 charges that havenât yet been charge đ€·đœââïž
City has been talked about a lot. This just happens to be a topic about Chelsea due to selling an asset to themselves. Stop being a crybaby.
@@BirdLives7 for how many seasons now and have they been chargedâŠno but Everton got deducted Nottingham Forest deducted point now they on Chelsea because they find loopholesâŠso you stfu đ€«
@@graiyeanmyers8094 Is it possible that sorting through 115 charges going against lawyers from a nation state may take more time than a club with 1-2 charges? The date of verdict for city has already been set and again, it has been talked about. This happens to be a Chelsea video. Should every single sportstalk topic be about City? If you don't the video, put your phone down and go to your mummy to cry.
Summary is that the big teams can cheat. Iâm 100% ready to support the super league and only the richest teams can join and I never thought Iâd say that
Who do u think pushed these rules through a league were u cant outspend the teams who are already at the top of the tree
Hey buddy the new champions league is the Super league đ
Bit of a contradiction to say you support a corrupt league because you donât want to support corrupt clubs
@@leehaslam5751yeah, but at least everyone would know where they stand and the teams with the owners with the deepest pockets can pay in. Let the Newcastles, Villas, Evertonâs just buy their way in and sack off the EPL who are just as crooked as the rest of them
@@Ooth9999 it wouldnât be corrupt would it though. It would just be the richest clubs in the league throwing as much money as they can at it.
Wait until people realise this is what all businesses have been getting up to for the last 300 years lol đ
presumably the holding co could gift the property at nil value back to the operating company, and then sell it back again, repeatedly year after year?
no they couldn't, has to be at market value
Audio is fucked once again Talksport sort it out
Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber đŻ Facts
Sir Spectre & Sir Jordan = top LADS Proper Clobbers đŻ Facts đâïž
@@GamerFrisco Sir GamerFrisco =Top LAD Proper Clobber đŻ Facts
If you don't want people to exploit loopholes, seal them
I will say well done Chelsea as a City fan..Is this against the rules? No? Move on people
Of course it isâŠMr 115 charges! đ€Ł
@@moghulazam3101 115 fc is doing another treble again ole ole
@@GermanChickenwing - making a mockery of the EPL⊠thatâs all
@moghulazam3101 Nah the pl is weak , they don't know what the f they are doing
DidâŠ.did they clash? đ
Love the click bait of TalkSPORT âclashâ it was a very amicable conversation đ
Cheating on the pitch has now been equaled by the cheating off the pitch.
This makes zero sense... connected party principles exist in basic corporate law...
As well as the disposal of assets is not by default recognized as revenue... there should be capital gains issues as well as valuation issues.
This smells too fishy and can not be true.
Boehly is a genius
Yep, ÂŁ1bn on poor recruitment, plastic genius more like.
Spent a billion to be nowhere, signed conference players to 8 year deals and will be caught out on this hotel play. Genius.
at what point did they "CLASH"
Stefan sounds like boehly and Egbali has upset and outsmarted him.