How to Optimize Fertility & Pregnancy Nourishment with Plant Based Dietitians
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I sit down with Whitney English and Alex Caspero from Plant Based Juniors, two dietitian nutritionists who are passionate about helping parents and kids get more plants on their plates. Their messages is focused on healthy pregnancy, baby-led weaning, and raising healthy kids, relying on evidence-based nutrition for their recommendations, giving advice based on research, not dogma.
In this episode we cover:
- The best dietary pattern for fertility and pregnancy
- Are fertility issues on the rise and what we can do about it
- Hormonal birth control safety versus if it can effect fertility negatively
- key nutrients of focus during pregnancy and plant-based considerations
- If there’s any scientific validity to the rising trend to consume organ meats while pregnant
- their thoughts on “ancestral diets”
- is there is a “one size fits all” diet for everyone?
- iron deficiency
- placenta health
- and so much more
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My midwife couldn't believe how amazing my iron levels were throughout both pregnancies- vegan for both and in my mid thirties. Amazing pregnancies, births and post pardom on a vegan whole foods plant based diet- and now super healthy vegan children. It's true guys.
I will alwayssss be very skeptical about birth control. As you mentioned, anything that halts the body’s natural process of ovulation just doesn’t seem right or healthy…
Felt really skeptical about their answers surrounding bc…
They are definitely not considering that ovulation is not the only marker of fertility. The pill ABSOLUTELY affects fertility. It atrophies the cervical crypts, which produce the healthy mucous in a woman's fertile window that sperm swim in and are nourished by on their way to the egg. No cervical mucous, no fertility.
I agree Ellen, I am not a fan of the term “geriatric pregnancy “ either. I worked with a woman once who had her first child at 41, her fifth baby was born three weeks before she turned 50. All five babies were born at home, healthy pregnancies, healthy mamma, healthy babies. Her grandmother had ten children, all born at home, and her last was born when she was 52. I really enjoyed working with this woman, and hearing her story about having children when she later in her life compared to most women. Thanks for the episode Ellen.
I needed to hear this😢I'm 48 and I'm still trying to have my 1st child. I'm so over it and I just don't know what to do...Parents appreciate your children all women don't have that blessing 😪 so love on them...
I am sorry, sending love and support. I am a little younger, but I turn 37 on the 28th of April. I am still waiting to be a parent. I definitely thought I would be a parent by this point in my life. Unfortunately, life doesn’t always work out the way we hope. I hope and pray that you, as well as myself, have a chance to be mothers. 💛
Sending love and positive energy ❤️🙏🏼. Same here 😘
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
Hey, so as somebody who has been vegan for 6+ years and is on to my third pregnancy/baby now, I know I’m not the only mum who has struggled with keeping iron levels in an adequate range. I have been anaemic for 4+ years, basically since half way through my first pregnancy. I have tried so hard to continue to eat whole foods but I have found it to be impossible to not crave energy (sugar) and or overeat at meal times. I’m honestly carrying more fat on my body than ever before cause I’m craving energy and don’t have enough drive to want to workout - as I’m super anaemic. I was previously a professional dancer, so I love being active! I know motherhood is tiring, however being anaemic is really dangerous and just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s not important! I only recently realised this and before now was always hard on myself for not sticking to a workout plan or a whole food “diet”.
I also feel that we vegans don’t share enough about vitamin (especially iron and omega 3) absorption and the percentage that you actually convert, which is a huge lie and huge disservice - we can’t just be bias and ignore important facts.
After many iron infusions, and of course iron supplements, and many tears, I am now taking HALF a dose of an organic, grass fed organ multi supplement. Within 15 days of being vegan (1st blood test) to then incorporating these supplements (2nd blood test), my complete iron study increased so much that I’m no longer anaemic. I’m not joking. It is such a challenge for me to let go of my ego and beliefs, especially because I know how great a vegan lifestyle is, but I guess I’m no longer vegan anymore as I’m totally blown away by how incredible I feel I will continue to supplement with organs 🥹. Of course my ferritin (iron stores) only went up a little compared to the other 3, however I’m hoping over time this will grow also. I feel that this supplementation is more natural than a strong synthetic iron tablet and way safer than an iron infusion every 6 months - which both hardly increase my levels anyway! Before people mention, “but did you try this, and this” - yes, I’ve tried EVERYTHING! I just think this is just a demanding time in my life, and I just need the extra help from heme-iron.
I just thought I would share for those women out there struggling! 🙏 I’m completely amazed and confused.
Plants do not have the same bioavailability animals do. Plants can’t run away from you, so their only defense from you eating their “young” is to have defensive compounds. Their goal is to get through your digestive system as intact as possible so that their “babies” (seeds) can sprout someplace else and grow. & Many plants contain compounds like trypsin inhibitors, phytic acid, and lectins, which hamper your body’s ability to break down proteins and absorb key minerals like zinc, magnesium, and calcium. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not anti plants. But eating solely plant based is not sustainable long term for the human body.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I have not exhausted all my options yet, but I am really struggling with severe iron deficiency. Taking plant based ferritin has helped a lot, but I don’t feel like I’m thriving and I sleep way more than is normal. I’ve been vegetarian my whole life and vegan for 9 years, so I’m very put off by the idea of an animal based supplement, but I’m getting desperate. It’s helpful to hear your story as someone who follows a vegan diet, but is taking care of your health and doing what you need to do.
I was a little surprised how the guests really dismissed traditional foods. Yes, our lives are different now than back then. But I think it’s quite common knowledge that traditional preparations like fermented foods and fermented and sprouted grains are really good for you. Maybe coming from a plant based perspective, they were pushing back against the fact that bone broth and raw milk are so central to a sort of traditional foods diet? But to totally dismiss all those nutritious plant based traditional foods seems a little strange to me. Also, yes, people did not live as long back in the day…but there were other factors I’d imagine, like poor sanitation and primitive medical treatment, right? Thanks for the conversation!
Great episode! We hav 3 kids. First pregnancy on a balanced, high protein diet, 2nd on Weston A Price (similar to metabolic diet), and 3rd, vegan. We were vegan a year before my 3rd conception. All pregnancies were great but my vegan pregnancy was by far by healthiest and most comfortable. I had the most healthy weight gain (while always feeling satisfied), the best blood draws, and more energy than my other pregnancies! I was comfortable almost 2 weeks late, very unlike my last pregnancies. Prior to conceiving, I asked my OB if it was okay to have this baby vegan and he said yes of course! He has lots of vegan mums and then joked that he doesn’t need to counsel me on what not to eat since it’s mostly related to meat and cheese. I monitored my whole food nutrients in a nutrition tracker and ended up only actually needing to supplement vitamin B12 and D when I couldn’t be in the sun. I had an uncomplicated birth with little blood loss compared to last births and breast fed my 3rd for 3 years plus donated 1700oz. (pumped each morning and at work) It’s now been 5 years vegan and I wouldn’t do it any other way. This is not to brag, just want to share a positive experience if anyone is thinking of trying a vegan pregnancy.
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
Happy to hear this Stephanie!! I hear soooo many women kind of going the opposite progression as you. Starting out vegan in maidenhood and then moving towards something WAPy. The theme I notice amongst all of these women is a disordered relationship with food with a backdrop of restriction no matter which diet they are going for.
I'm on baby number 5 and not vegan. Always ate meat, always had healthy hormones and zero issues in my pregnancies.
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
Same, but doesn't mean vegan pregnancies aren't more likely to be healthier.
@@corablah9809 actually. Vegans seem to be more unhealthy and prone to bone density loss among vitamin deficiencies. From what I've read. Which makes sense.
Definitely recommend checking out Real Food for Pregnancy: The Science and Wisdom of Optimal Prenatal Nutrition by Lily Nichols. Great alternative perspective. She discusses the struggle of obtaining choline and how often it’s over looked, along with many other assumptions or previously held beliefs that might be worth exploring.
Something that I think is definitely missing in the research and discussions around iron deficiency in women is the questioning of why it’s even occurring? Is it actually the quantity of iron that is too low, or the precursors and coupling components that are lacking? We know that vitamin c and iron are buddies, but what else is going on in the body that might be preventing the assimilation of this vital mineral? Are the minimum and maximum numbers actually good measures of what is a healthy and acceptable for the majority?
Hey Ellen! I'm currently in a training to become a Fertility Awareness Method educator. One thing we just discussed is that the pill, even the lower dosage pill, DOES affect fertility. The cervical crypts, where fertile cervical mucous is made, become atrophied by long term use of the pill. "Use it or lose it" type of thing happening there. Ovulation is not the ONLY measure of fertility (I think you know this and it might be what you were getting at when you mentioned that something that doesn't let your body go through its natural ovulation process has a ripple effect). A huge reason women may be having trouble conceiving is not because they aren't ovulating, but because they don't have healthy cervical fluid that nourish sperm and help them reach the egg. The pill is a major culprit in the atrophy of the cervical crypts, as well as sexual trauma and poor nutrition.
My husband and I are both vegan (and whole food plant based) and have been trying to get pregnant for over a year. Very excited to listen to this today! Thank you, Ellen!
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
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@@milenadimovska6510 Turns out I was pregnant when I wrote this & didn’t know it! Ten weeks today!
I regained my fertility, had two healthy easy pregnancies, and easy births, and easy breastfeeding until over 3 all while vegan. No iron issues either. I am not vegan anymore for other reasons but having a healthy vegan pregnancy, and post partum is completely possible!
Appreciated your questions on this one Ellen and even some of your subtle pushback of questions. I Felt like dietitians played it pretty safe on this one. Perhaps they were only citing evidence. Idk. At this point, I’m not sure what’s considered evidence anymore (referencing viewpoints regarding the pill).
Struggled to get pregnant at 25 after getting off of birth control. Took 2 years and 2 miscarriages within that time frame to finally get pregnant. Never got back on birth control Second and third pregnancies happened after 2 months of trying (33 and 35) and my third successful pregnancy is a twin pregnancy at that. I truly believe hormonal birth control played a large part in it.
Also, I've been praised for my good iron levels in pregnancy and I've been vegan for all 3 but very whole foods forward. Kind of interesting when I have non pregnant friends on this traditional diet of no processed foods, whole plants, organ meats, raw dairy, etc and they're anemic. 🤷
Loved this so much! Balanced, informative and considerate. Thank you! 🙏
One of the best podcast I’ve ever seen! Your work is absolutely inspiring and I really hope more and more people listen to all this arguments, they are life changing!
Thank you for sharing all your knowledge, we need more people like you 3!
The Plant-based Baby & Toddler book made me so confident in my care for my son and desire to feed him a plant-based diet. It is so educational and has wonderful recipes and tips. These women are so wonderful!❤
Thank you Ellen!! Another wonderful podcast!
Such an interesting and amazing Episode 🧡🧡
I want to know what you think of prenatal vitamins and synthetic nutrients?? Love your videos Ellen !!♥️🤎♥️🤎♥️
For anyone on the TTC journey , "It starts with the egg" by Rebecca Fett goes into more detail about the effect of low vitamin D on fertility. Vitamin D deficiency is mentioned in this podcast. There's a chapter on unexpected causes of infertility that is really helpful.
I love it when you interview dietitans :)
very useful informative interaction video
Can I say that I took birth control (the combi pill) for over ten years and then fell pregnant within 3 months after coming off it. I also had no side effects from the pill, so it’s not always harmful!
With regards to vitamin A (retinol intake) in organ meats, I believe taking over 10,000 IU of vitamin A is unsafe, but that is an exorbitant amount. I take beef liver in a supplement form to help with fertility but more importantly (hopefully) help with my horrible nausea/throwing up I experience throughout the entire 9 months of pregnancy. Because beef liver has a ton of protein which could potentially help alleviate nausea.
In my daily beef liver supplements I’m only consuming 969 IU of vitamin A. Therefore it’s perfectly safe and contains a lot of iron and protein needed for my body!
as soon as the two ladies mentioned the pill was fine I stopped watching.... Would love to hear more of your opinion on it Ellen
True
I would love to hear more about this! Do you have any resources you could share or info?
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
I think it's really dangerous to say it's unsafe, will kill you, no woman should ever be on it. When MANY women are on medications that will or cause SEVERE defects on babies or put the woman at risk if ectopic pregnancy that will kzll them. Let's not forget women with disorders and disabilities they don't want passed onto children, they don't want children, and they know they aren't capable of caring for children, and know they aren't okay throwing their babies into foster care to be s3xu4lly and physically abused, or trafficked(if kids aren't trafficked by their parents, it's a foster parent). Or women that know pregnancy will kxll them because of genetic defects and deformities they have. It's really ignorant and borderline psychotic to say the pill isn't safe. It's safer for many women to take the risks of the pill, over becoming pregnant.
Sorry but opinion doesn’t beat science here. You clearly live in an echo chamber. Why would you stop watching because you don’t agree with something? This is the problem with people today hiding themselves away in their dogma. Be more open minded.
Ellen what is vegan and plant based mean to you? I see you use both just curious!
Can you please sum it up what supplements I need if I want to get pregnant. Folic acid, Iron and B12?
Folate, D, and B12. Keeping eating iron rice foods like legumes and dark greens with an acid like lemon juice or tomatoes.
As a vegan 28 years old, that one day would love to become a mama, I am so so so happy that you exist Ellen, thank you
In terms of retinol, I’ve heard that those toxic upper limits only apply to SYNTHETIC retinol, and not natural retinol from beef liver…
I’d love to see Yolande Norris-Clark on your podcast!!!
I’ve been trying to get pregnant for 9 years I lost my daughter at 6 months in the womb in 2011 I had my son in 2013 and I haven’t been able to get pregnant which is crazy to me! I know I can get pregnant but it hasn’t happened specialist and dr tell me there’s nothing wrong with me or my husband and we are what is called UNEXPLAINED infertility! I’ve been vegan for 4 years , people like to tell me it’s because I’m vegan but what about the other half of the time when I wasn’t vegan and trying to get pregnant , and actually the specialist said well the thing I like to tell my patients it to go plant based I looked at him and said I already am and then he was really scratching his head .
Maybe your body is telling you something. There is a lady on CZcams that is a functional medicine nurse that goes into detail as to why it could be hard to get a stay pregnant. She struggled herself and over the years, gained a wealth of knowledge. Check her out, she is called "Fertility mom."
I got pregnant 11 months after getting off birth control with the first baby and got pregnant 2 months with the second baby. My husband doesn't like me when I'm ovulating haha 😋 He wants more kids too so I got pregnant by using handcuffs. Haha I never knew why people used them. I got them at a Five Below store. 😆 I'm 14 weeks pregnant, and we are happy and excited. My husband and I ate more celery and black beans while we were trying for both babies.
Jesus lied to us about everything, all for the plan so he can say he saved us and our planet. Everything is a lie, you will soon find out...your family, spouse children are all your siblings in heaven, they are just a temporary earthly experience. There is no marriage procreation sex in heaven, we are everyone's only parents!!! All sickness and diseases, poverty, homelessness, he even allowed Satan to do his part, so Jesus can say he came to save us. Don't believe me? Look in the bible! Pain and suffering are also lies, it all is so you look to God, so he can control us. Facts!! He needs to apologize to us all now and quit stalling, and keep his word and promises like he said, love is action. Sorry children of earth 🌎 I am amazed as well!! Sending lots of love and light your way!! The truth is here, along with your father Jesus.
Love mama Mary Magdalene 🙏💪👍🌈🪽😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖
I feel like most people don't want to know the details of how you were railed and cxme in😭😭
You all are not getting married, you all experienced a temporary earthly holographic experience, u are Angels and are virgins, shows how powerful the mind is.
i almost bought that kid plantbased book but i want to get pregnant in 6-8 years😂
Age?? Is a contributing factor to increased infertility?! Hmm.. aging has always been around 🤔. Btw, I love your channel & you're awesome!
I think they mean that women are trying to have children later than in the past, more women delay having children until mid-thirties and then encounter more difficulties with getting pregnant.
It’s just Inuit. The word Inuit is plural. No need to add an ‘s’ at the end of Inuit. Matna.
You all are siblings were never parents or married, that was a temporary earth experience. You are our children and siblings and we are ur only parents. Time to go home 🙏😘😘😘😘💖💖💖💖💖💖 said with love and respect always love Mom Mary Magdalene and daddy Jesus
All for games I never gave consent to sexually and every way, he never apologized if he loved me he would never let that happen, fake demonic illusions or not and I said I am not going through all of it sins and garbage when I am a female messiah
Having children is only a temporary earthly experience. Jesus and I are everyone's only parents!! There is no marriage procreation or sex in heaven, it's in the bible. In heaven your siblings are your spouse and children. 🙏💪💖💖💖💖😘😘😘😘🌈🪽👍
you should get @mamanatural on this podcast I would DIE
Mamanatural is dope!