Breaking Down Popular Diets & Trends with Nutritionist Simon Hill
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Few topics are more hotly debated than nutrition. With contradictory messaging abundant, it can be difficult to discern credible health advice and navigate which dietary patterns are optimal for our health and longevity.
Simon Hill, nutritionist and host of The Proof Podcast, cuts through the noise and breaks down today’s most popular diets and trends. Simon has a healthy obsession with nutritional science and uses reliable science-based information to form his dietary thesis philosophy. He focuses on nuanced, evidence-based research instead of biased black and white thinking.
While science is not perfect, we do have clear biomarkers for longevity and preventing our #1 killers, and this episode goes into how these trends stack up against those markers. With so many experts letting their biases get in the way to form nutritional recommendations, Simon is the nutrition resource we need right now.
In this episode we cover:
- Popular diets: Paleo, Carnivore, Vegan, Keto, Plant Paradox, & Nourishing Traditions
- What “ancestral diets” get right and wrong
- Saturated fat vs. PUFAS
- Popular Trends: Butter, Bone Broth, anti-nutrients, seed oils, etc
- Eating to survive vs. eating for longevity
- Why what’s “natural” isn’t necessarily what’s best for long term health
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Simon's resources:
Polyunsaturated fats versus saturated fats:
* Cochrane Review Meta Analysis of RCTs
* `pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32428...
* Dietary fats and cardiovascular disease (Presidential Advisory paper from AHA)
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28620...
* Dairy fats versus other animal fat versus polyunsaturated fats from plants.
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
LDL-C (or ApoB) as a cause of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28444...
ApoB is a summation of LDL, IDL and VLDL
PMID: 28444290
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16441...
“The best available estimates suggest that those ancestors obtained about 35% of their dietary energy from fats, 35% from carbohydrates and 30% from protein. Saturated fats contributed approximately 7.5% total energy and harmful trans-fatty acids contributed negligible amounts.” - PMID 16441938
Polyunsaturated fats versus saturated fats and liver fat/metabolic health:
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34257...
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22492...
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Linoleic acid (predominant polyunsaturated fat in seed oils) and inflammation, CVD and mortality (studies measuring linoleic acid in adipose tissue and circulation):
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Anti-nutrients:
* Review of all anti-nutrients, effect on physiology and human health outcomes related to anti-nutrient containing foods.
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
* More than 50% of oxalates are made by the body. Animal protein, sodium and insufficient calcium increase risk of calcium oxalate kidney stones
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
* Body adjusts mineral absorption following high phytate diet that is habitually consumed:
* www.sciencedirect.com/science...
Organ meats and human health:
* Increased risk of fatty liver disease:
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35225...
* Organ meats have been shown to increase uric acid which is implicated in fatty liver disease, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, CVD, inflammation and gout:
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29759...
* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NB...
Bone broth and heavy metal contamination:
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23375...
Vitamin A status of vegans:
* Switzerland cohort of healthy adults comparing omnivores to vegetarians to vegans
* pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26502...
Simon Hill is legit.
Omg yasssss! 🎉 My two faves together! I'm going on a 10 hour road trip this week and can't wait to listen then! 😅
You’re glowing ellen! I love this convo. I’ve been primarily plant based for over 4 years and strict vegan for 1.5 years. I am always interested In Further research & evidence
Literally your BEST episode ever!! ❤ Great job!
Thankyou. This for me was incredibly enlightening. As someone who has been majority plant based for 7+ years but still experienced health issues, and finding the insane amount of claims out there on what ‘healthy’ is so deeply ungrounding as it’s SO difficult to discern what’s good and what’s not.
I found this really helpful and I guess reassuring that I’m on the right path.
It’s refreshing to have someone not just pushing on one diet, just laying out the facts!
Love your podcast Ellen, always my go-to. 🪷✨🌸
Would love to hear about how our mental and emotional attitude relates to health, as I feel this is sooo relative!
OMG I could listen to Simon Hill all day!
Thanks for this life changing video and comparison of all the food craziness and mania out there -- I can't wait to sit and watch the entire interview!
I saw the preview of this on your Instagram and came over to watch it. I’m really looking forward to this convo!
amazing! thanks for being here!
So excited for this podcast!!! I was patiently waiting 🙌🏼🤩
This was amazing!! Thank you!!
Wonderful podcast balancing super well both sides!!
A debate between him and Kori would be soo cool!
Or Bart Kay
Who is Kori?
who?
That would never happen haha because Kori's hypothesis is not based in science... She subscribes to the "internet diet fad" that Simon mentions, which totally clashes with the actual medical science. It's alis talk. I think the Ray peat/Weston A Price fad will disappear (hopefully, as it will save a lot of people) eventually. Just like the keto and carnivore crazies.
Incredible conversation 💛
This is the best nutrition talk I’ve ever heard!
I’m about to graduate as a nurse (in Sweden) and we’ve learned a lot about nutrition (not enough though) and how to read studies etc, but I’ve never heard a more clear, detailed and nuanced description of the data we actually have on healthy (and not so healthy) dietary patterns and the mechanisms behind certain outcomes related to them. Loved this ❤
Very insightful conversation! I would have loved to hear something about eggs and coconut sugar (or other sugar alternatives) too.
here's a good but nuanced video on eggs and cholesterol
czcams.com/video/G1NZNKn9DG8/video.htmlsi=Zi5wiVtefmhg4arP
THIS INTRO WAS SO BADASS!!! two favs
This was a great conversation ❤
I absolutely loved this episode! I’m not sure I agreed with everything he said..but I appreciate his approach of trying to look at the science honestly. That’s why conversations like this are important, the opinions are always changing but I think he at least got to some core truth about diet.
Yay! So happy about this one. Where can I contact you about a podcast recommendation about opposing views with two guests that I would love to hers from?
I love your podcasts! I'm always looking forward to them! This is one of my favs thus far! 😊 Ive been around since the beginning, Ellen. I love seeing you and your family flourish. You're one of the few youtubers that haven't changed all too much when it comes to diet & lifestyle which is nice. Yes, you've transitioned away from being raw, but your diet is still whole-food based and I love it. I always know it'll be a good watch/listen when I come to your podcast or channel. I enjoy your sisters channel too! ❤ Anyway, sorry for the little rant. I just wanted to show some support. :)
Wow this was so good! The whole thing!
I truly enjoyed listening, thanks so much Ellen. So grateful to have Simon's steadfast voice in the nutrition space, when so much of the information out there feels loud and emotionally turbulent.
Yes! Can’t wait to watch this 💛
Yes please have someone who has the same degree but a different position on to debate him or someone with similar views and credentials to him to debate the oppositional view.
Dear Ellen Fisher you' re very good human being and I liked your Podcast and the Subject🎉
Would like to hear two opposing views especially two based on research. But here is few thoughts based on the intro:
We live longer due to modern medicine. We are not healthier than our ancestors .
Research is biased depending on the funding source.
I was only going to watch 30 minutes or so because I know neither of you, but now I'm nearly at the end. Good talk.🙂
I love both of you guys so much! This was the collab I was waiting for!
What about the subject about the cause of PCOS in women? Do you think its the food and lack of exercise the cause of it or genetic?
It was very informative and the only thing I didn't hear that would have been helpful is a conversation about the sugars, even those in fruits and starchy vegetables.
It's added sugar that is the problem. Also, people overestimate the amount of sugar in fruit. It goes as low as 5%.
I follow a diet of Native Americans where sugar, flour, plant milk, all this genetic modified green and fruits did not exist. They were strong, cavity free, diabetes free, cancer free people.
One has to seek their own salvation as far as a diet is concerned. If the plant diet is working for someone, by all means keep on doing it, Just keep in mind however, that we are all different and based on that, one needs to eat what is best for their body.
That is true, but we also need to eat for the planet and reduce barbaric cruelty to animals. There is also nothing wrong with a decent plant milks
@@panes840 True. Thanks for your coment❤️
So interesting! Great discussion. Recently had my blood work done and found I have very low (they’re saying too low) cholesterol- which I suppose makes sense eating a low oil plant based diet for over 15 years. I’m suspicious as to whether or not. I truly need more cholesterol in my diet, but may start incorporating a little coconut oil here in there to see if it raises the bar at all😅
Can cholesterol be too low? Who are "they"? Dr. Greger has some videos on whether LDL cholesterol can get too low. Spoiler alert: no.
yea I would research 'low cholesterol' before you go trying to raise it artificially
music in the beginning, it's something!!!
I appreciate the conversation but I am still conflicted on the fact that every civilization in all times in history has consumed some kind of animal products. Some not as much dairy but at least bone broth and even moderate meat. Of course with lots of veggies and fruit too. I’m not saying, like most, that we “have to be like our ancestors” but if we have research on entire civilizations and what they ate, why mess with what we know to be wise? Just my opinion 😅
You haven't looked at buddhism then......
Ancestral diets featured much leaner, unprocessed meats that aren't comparable to today's factory-farmed versions, and it's also worth considering that our ancestors were far more active, and also still ate a wide variety of plants. They ate to survive (long enough to procreate), and their diets varied considerably by region. These weren't necessarily designed for longevity since their lifespans were shorter. In contrast, today's circumstances are very different: we're living longer but suffering "diseases of affluence," eating unnatural, refined, ultra-processed foods (or certain animal products that no longer resemble what our ancestors ate), moving less, spending too much time indoors glued to screens, drinking & snacking more. It's important not to romanticize ancestral diets, but to let evolving science guide us.
This video did NOT suggest that people should go vegan. Rather, Simon pointed out that there's room for animal products, in particular seafood and some dairy (10-15% of one's diet), but that it's also possible to be healthy on a well-planned vegan diet. He also mentioned a lack of scientific evidence (either way, pro or con) regarding bone broth (if I remember that correctly?), and also indicated that the Mediterranean diet is superior in that it features a generous assortment of plant foods, whole grains, healthy plant oils, and some seafood & lean meat. We should always consider what we eat within the greater context of our overall diet (and lifestyle), instead of fixating on (either glorifying or demonizing) specific food groups. There's too much near-religious dogma surrounding diets - whether vegan or carnivore. It seems that people get so emotionally connected to their way of eating, that any new science ("inconvenient truth") challenges their very identities, but this isn't how we should approach the fuel that so significantly impacts our health.
I recently discovered Simon Hill (after purchasing his "The Proof is in the Plants" book) and am blown away by the depth & breadth of his knowledge. After years spent researching nutrition myself as a mere layperson (and often banging my head against the wall in frustration!), it's so refreshing to have finally come across someone truly unbiased, who has drilled down into the science for the sole purpose of finding objective truth and not merely extract cherry-picked data that supports a specific agenda. It can't be an easy job, especially as an outlier who doesn't fit neatly into any one diet "camp." He must have a pretty thick skin!
@@Beaners386 edible plants didn't exist until agriculture began, none of the plants we eat could survive in nature without humans tilling the soil, fertilizing it, spraying it with pesticides etc. Humans can't eat and derive nutrition from grass like we can with wheat.
@@Beaners386 the question is how much is Simon actually really unbiased and how much all of these studies are reliable 🙏 as all of these studies seem to contradict themselves but it is what it is 🙃 anyways this was a good talk and it would be awesome to listen to Simon and Paul Saladino have a debate 🤍 would love that 😊
@@purebloodsunite7489 Of course there were plants everywhere 2 million years ago! I live in the tropics where our ancestors originated and I can forage native plants everywhere in my country. Remember too, there are fruits everywhere here too. Even in the northern regions of the world you have wild rice, nuts, and berries, and other plant foods that we don't have here. Plants for agriculture 10,000 years ago did not fall from the sky.
❤ Simon
Love the topics PUFAS, vitamin A, “anti-nutrients”!!
It would have been nice to have him speak more about his view on seeds oils and how they oxidate with heat and become very inflammatory. That's pretty well documented now! I'm a skin health nutritionist, and when my clients remove most seed oils from their diet (like in plant based milks like oat barista milks, deep fried foods and in mayo) their skin improves drastically just from these shifts. Through all my research it appears that ultimately the best two oils to cook with are extra virgin olive oil, and ghee. Seed oils just shouldn't be used for cooking, period.
Beef tallow is pretty good as well
Is ok vegetarian minimal dairy yogurt ?
A debate between Simon and Dr. Anthony Chaffee would be the best 👌😊
Agreed! That would be fascinating 👏
@@jonnarivers6434 yes :) not because one camp is better than the other, but just to see these two perspectives and points of view based on research, studies and personal experience on certain things :)
Not really. Anybody who thinks the carnivore diet is a serious long term answer isn't really interested in science or even in common sense.
@@profd65 who knows 😊
Anthony Chaffee already got slapped around by Dr. Matthew Nagra
Timestamps??
What about plant saturated fats such as those in coconuts?
You don’t store in the liver !! So it’s fine, it by pass it to be used straight in your body .
@@A.Anne.Aurora.9 Dr. Greger says otherwise. He has shown studies that prove plant based saturated fats can and do clog arteries.
I would personally avoid coconut oil. Coconut oil raises both "bad" and "good" cholesterol, but modern research indicates that "good" cholesterol is not as good as people thought it was.
Coconut and palm oil have a negative influence on ApoB. however, chocolate (dark) seems to be the exception having no effect at all. stearic acid from its SFA compounds
@@Chris90. good to know, thanks for the clarification!
I will never be a carnivore, and I do not follow carnivore sites or channels, so this question may have been discussed among carnivores. Outside of the possibility of Vitamin A toxicity, the liver is a vital organ, one of whose purposes is to prevent harm to our bodies from toxins. Toxins can accumulate in the liver I would think. Therefore, would not the liver cause ingestion of these toxins and be harmful?
Each of us is a study of 1. I can’t eat grains or more than a serving of fruit a day related to inflammation issues. High carb intake hurts me :( A keto/Mediterranean style diet works for me. I’m willing to change it up though as my body allows.
If you haven't already watch Ellens podcasts with Dr. B about gut health, may be of interest to you!
"A keto/Mediterranean style diet works for me." Those two diets are totally different.
This viewpoint is untrue. Saturated fat does not increase visceral fat. These studies have long been disproved. There are plenty of people including myself on a carnivore diet who have lost body fat (incl visceral) while building lean muscle. I also reversed fatty liver and lowered LDL. I was plant based for 7 years and just continued to gain weight and raise my cholesterol 🤷♀️
Where can I find the evidence for your claim?
That’s your antidote. There is absolute correlation between high saturated fat intake and increased LDL. I’d highly suggest the MD doctor “nutrition made simple” channel. I feel he is fairly non biased and really thoroughly researches each claim out there
Nobody says you can't lose weight on the carnivore diet. You probably can, but you can also lose weight smoking cigarettes or doing a stint in a concentration camp. None of these things is a good long term answer. If your LDL cholesterol went down on the carnivore diet, that's only because you lost weight...it was the weight loss, and not the carnivore diet that did it.
I did not eat processed fake meats when following a plant based diet.
@@PlantPowerTrip Look at the comments of videos by Dr Shawn Baker, Dr Anthony Chaffee, Bart Kay, Dr Ken Berry. The comments of are full of people losing weight and getting of their meds.
Western civilization fat(The kind of fat where people are 300+ pounds and borderline bedbound) didn't exist until everything was cooked in seed oils. Morbidly obese people who are bedbound are almost 100% on a diet of takeaway food deepfried in PUFA's, it's just not possible to be that fat without PUFAS.
Bingo - advising seed oil consumption in preference to saturated fat is the worst advice anyone could give. Well done, Simon Hill
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Personally been keto for a few years now carnivore for 90 days. I would recommend everyone try the carnivore diet and decide for yourself. Based on my experience I can say, for me, I am absolutely designed to eat muscle meat / fat of large ruminant animals.
I miss the natural looking Ellen without makeup 😄
Well…just gonna drop a name here: Paul Mason :)
Charismatic quack
Our ancestors diet (which always had animal products) is what we need (meat and animal products) because that is what our bodies adapted to. We have a species specific diet and you don’t change that to try and live longer. You eat exactly that to live longer. Take a lion or wolf and change his diet to make them live longer…crazy right
For all the people explain why saturated fat is bad it goes against logical thinking. If saturated fat was so bad for us the body would do everything in its power to get rid of it. Also, when you fast the body is living off of saturated fat, protein from flesh(your own flesh) glucose it makes from your own fat and protein and water. What don’t we get about that? When too much glucose is in the blood the body tries to get rid of it at all costs even to the point of urinating it out. This fact alone should give people a clue as to what the body finds dangerous in high amounts. It’s not unique to certain individuals it is universal to the human race.
So by your logic, because endogenous testosterone is healthy and important for human health, then exogenous testosterone must be healthy? Same for estrogen?
SMH. Use an analogy that makes sense. If you take exogenous testosterone your body down regulates its production. Again the body showing you an example of what is not healthy.
@@gerard6629 ah, my bad. Thanks for the correction, it lead me to reread your comment and realize it was even dumber than I thought it was originally lol.
Here you go -
“Our liver cells have LDL receptors on them. When LDL cholesterol passes by in the blood, these receptors take the cholesterol out of the blood and into the liver to be broken down. Research suggests that eating too much saturated fat stops the receptors from working so well, and cholesterol builds up in the blood.”
Make sense why excess saturated fat is bad?
I don’t believe in excess LDL, I believe my body makes what is appropriate for me. I have a high LDL, there are others who eat similar to me who have low LDL. I have no underlying health conditions and will continue thrive as I have been for over the last 6 years eating a zero carb lifestyle. At 53 years of age I’m in better shape physically than people young enough to be my children.
@@gerard6629 I hear you, and that’s awesome that you’re in shape at 53. However, I think you’re misguided. If it’s the body’s normal process to remove a substance (LDL), and something inhibits that process (saturated fat) then that’s a disruption of the body’s natural process and logically such a disruption = bad. The sinister thing about underlying issues is that you wouldn’t necessarily know if you have them or not. You could have tons of soft plaque built up and a 0 calcium score. You could also be be fine. A lot of people have high LDL and are fine. It’s a game of odds, and the odds favor lower LDL. The major takeaway though is that asserting that you have an appropriate level of LDL because it’s what your body produced isn’t a sound argument. If you need other examples think autoimmunity or cytokine storm
Carnivore diet heals!
Almost 1 yr. On carnivore-ish diet.. ex. Organic vegetable grower 35+ yrs😊
@@TRuth.T what plant based foods do you still eat. Try to remove all and you will feel so much better! Watch Dr. Chaffee and Dr. Sally Norton on natural plant toxins!
@@1headtheball watch Dr. Kiltz to see why.
@@1headtheball watch Dr. Kiltz - he has lives every weekday morning at 4am CST for Q&A.
Paul I am sure is paid by the meat and dairy industry. Hes an intelligent bloke! Hes not stupid. He knows exactky whatches doing "cherry picking his data". He knows that he's also trashing the planet, he knows that the barbaric cruelty to animals and the horrendous practice's would have to continue to feed the planet too. So tgere has to be a reason he's a staunch advocate for eating animals and their secretions. Vegannor not, i am sure most reasonably intelligent folks would support a plant-predominant diet if not for health but other reasons if they knew the impact.
Put it this way, i attended VegMed2023, in London two week's ago and personally met Dr Gemma Newson. Lovely lady. We both watched the same lecture whereby we were told to carry on feeding folks the meat, dairy, eggs and fish we consume now and more, to meet 10 billion people eventually we need 7.4 extra planets worth of space!!! Space for feed and pasture.
Im sorry but Saladino has to be paid by the animal agriculture fraternity because his mantra is irresponsible for health, planet and the animals. I think Simon is a true gentleman on camera being incredibly polite because his reputation for being inpartial has to extend to all areas of his communication if he is to survive and get his message out! Same for Chris from Plant Chompers and Gil from Nutrition Made Simple.
Salidin was on Russell Brands platform and you listen to that you'll realise what a charlatan.
Money talks!
Dr Chaffee would chew him up
Lol. Carnivore juice head?
I agree. He is talking nonsense!! Hope they have a conversation at some point.
BAHAHAHA! Nope. Anybody who thinks the carnivore diet is a long term answer is a scientific illiterate.
People don’t like hearing bad news about their bad habits.
I love Simon, but his belief in evolution baffles me.
Me too. God designed us perfectly ....we didn't just happen.
How so?
@@clairefreer2872 I can't imagine how anyone can still believe in the theory of evolution.
@@meganstopera652what is the alternative you believe?
@@Samuel-bu7xr Evolution is how organisms adapt to changing environments, but it can't make organisms more complex. Complex organisms like humans have no biological advantage over simple organisms like bacteria, so there would have been no reason or way for us to evolve this complex. We were created.
Doesn't the evidence show that eating animals including fish, produces systemic inflammation as well as other metabolic issues?
No - the exact opposite is the case. It's plant food - especially seed oils and carbs that cause inflammation
@@galahadthreepwood Where on Earth are you getting your information from?
Doctors Michael Greger and Joel Fuhrman have THOUSANDS of studies between them that show - eating plants prevents and reduces inflammation while consuming animal products, increases it.
You make an assumption that increasing LDL cholesterol is a negative thing for health. My research and my own experience is the opposite. I agree that the wonderful saturated fats in red meat, butter, etc increase LDL cholesterol. Yeah! The most current research shows that, as long as that LDL cholesterol is not oxidized by linoleic acid found in polyunsaturated oils, it is a marker of a decrease in all-cause-mortality -improves immune system and so many other health benefits. So much of your conversation is, from my viewpoint, based on older research and has created a huge amount of misinformation.
Could you please fix the links that Simon provided? They all have been cut off so they don't go to any page
@theproofwithsimonhill
can someone tell me if this dude took the clot shots in order for me to take anything he says as serious?
I do recall him promoting the vax and throwing Pete Evans under the bus back in the pandemic years. I am skeptical for sure… a blind faith in science is very scary.
Valid question! Crazy times we live, seriously!
@@moonafarms1621 given that he's Australian and is vegan, the odds are not in his favor
He died suddenly right after this interview. Must’ve been the jaaab
@@benjames1497 you sound like you are vaccinated and drink fluoride.